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Half an Hour Silence in Heaven and the coming of the 1st Trumpet


LDS - The End of Silence in Heaven (The Coming of 1st Trumpet - Neowise) part 2


The 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ Timeline and the 70th week of daniel (part 1)


Meeting with Dan Wilkinson on "Last Days Prophecy"

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LdsMarco wrote: August 2nd, 2020, 10:39 am Half an Hour Silence in Heaven and the coming of the 1st Trumpet


LDS - The End of Silence in Heaven (The Coming of 1st Trumpet - Neowise) part 2


The 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ Timeline and the 70th week of daniel (part 1)


Meeting with Dan Wilkinson on "Last Days Prophecy"
Dan seems to follow Jodi Stoddards presentation quite closely. I guess the only issue I have is in picking specific dates on when the exact timing of things begin or end. For example in Revelations 8 concerning the silence in heaven John said it would last ABOUT the space of half an hour. He didn’t say It would last EXACTLY the space of half an hour. About could be rather subjective in time frame. Maybe 30 minutes of God's time frame. Maybe 40 minutes. Who knows? I think the 20.8 years of our time is a pretty good guess for the half an hour period but no way of knowing for sure exactly when that ends as per what John was saying and if it would really be Halloween 2020 or for that matter even several months or a year or two or more later. 5 or 10 minutes of the Lords timeframe could make a pretty big difference.. Will be watching intently to see other signs unfold. Regardless its sure a good time to pray for the spirit of discernment and guidance.

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Upon further research into the teachings of the Joseph Smith Jr. and following general authorities of the church up to the present day we aren't yet in the Seventh Seal. There are so many false teachers/Christs who set themselves up for priestcrafts because they aren't doing their research going to the source of the doctrine of the church. If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority. These things are left a mystery for a specific reason as they aren't relevant to the now in our day.

When the Seventh Seal is to be opened, I am very sure the the currant Prophet will gather a solemn assembly on a grand scale with the elect of the church and usher in the seventh seal as envisioned in the scriptures. Before any man knows, the prophet will know. Not to discount the prophecies, yet we should know them, yet not be so focused on them that we lose the spirit to teach us because we are fanatical about what we learn. There is wisdom in doing your research and learning what both early Prophets such as Jospeh Smith Jr. up to the modern day prophets and apostles have said on the subject of the second coming. Mysteries are hidden in the manuals of the church that some false teachers don't recognize or haven't even seen yet.

Dan Wilkinson is a young convert to the church. I believe he means well and has a good heart, yet he lacks the knowledge that would make his videos viable in fulfilling prophecy according to his knowledge. Jodi Stoddard has a great some of knowledge yet she put her faith in another false teacher who was excommunicated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. There are many members of the church concerned about fanatical members teaching what hasn't been taught by and/or the prophet himself. Be careful who you put your faith in, especially in the arm of flesh. Spiritually speaking, those who are teaching the truth will spiritually align with all of the past prophets and apostles in the ancient scriptures, Joseph Smith's Jr. time and up to the present. Doctrine given by Joseph Smith Jr. is just as relevant as revelation given by the modern day prophets and apostles. The prophet will always know before we do. Anything else is missing the mark.

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woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 10:01 pm Upon further research into the teachings of the Joseph Smith Jr. and following general authorities of the church up to the present day we aren't yet in the Seventh Seal. There are so many false teachers/Christs who set themselves up for priestcrafts because they aren't doing their research going to the source of the doctrine of the church. If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority. These things are left a mystery for a specific reason as they aren't relevant to the now in our day.

When the Seventh Seal is to be opened, I am very sure the the currant Prophet will gather a solemn assembly on a grand scale with the elect of the church and usher in the seventh seal as envisioned in the scriptures. Before any man knows, the prophet will know. Not to discount the prophecies, yet we should know them, yet not be so focused on them that we lose the spirit to teach us because we are fanatical about what we learn. There is wisdom in doing your research and learning what both early Prophets such as Jospeh Smith Jr. up to the modern day prophets and apostles have said on the subject of the second coming. Mysteries are hidden in the manuals of the church that some false teachers don't recognize or haven't even seen yet.

Dan Wilkinson is a young convert to the church. I believe he means well and has a good heart, yet he lacks the knowledge that would make his videos viable in fulfilling prophecy according to his knowledge. Jodi Stoddard has a great some of knowledge yet she put her faith in another false teacher who was excommunicated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. There are many members of the church concerned about fanatical members teaching what hasn't been taught by and/or the prophet himself. Be careful who you put your faith in, especially in the arm of flesh. Spiritually speaking, those who are teaching the truth will spiritually align with all of the past prophets and apostles in the ancient scriptures, Joseph Smith's Jr. time and up to the present. Doctrine given by Joseph Smith Jr. is just as relevant as revelation given by the modern day prophets and apostles. The prophet will always know before we do. Anything else is missing the mark.
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If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority.

But, if the brethren keep delivering the church into the NWO, why would they receive revelation that they are already against, and then dutifully convey it to the church? This is a pipe dream from a bygone era.

This is as ridiculous as Democrats believing Joe Biden actually won the election.

People need to pull their heads out and get real. Be ye not deceived.

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Chip wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 11:39 pm
If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority.

But, if the brethren keep delivering the church into the NWO, why would they receive revelation that they are already against, and then dutifully convey it to the church? This is a pipe dream from a bygone era.

This is as ridiculous as Democrats believing Joe Biden actually won the election.

People need to pull their heads out and get real. Be ye not deceived.
Because Joseph Smith Jr was the Prophet of the last dispensation, and the Prophet holds all the keys of that dispensation. Therefore, this dispensation will be different the the past dispensations where this one will not apostatize like the rest have. The modern day prophet will have the keys to usher in the opening of the seventh seal, the gathering of the lost 10 tribes of Israel. That is why anyone who believes otherwise is missing the mark just like the Jews who ignored the 1st coming of Christ Jesus.

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woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 11:57 pm
Chip wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 11:39 pm
If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority.

But, if the brethren keep delivering the church into the NWO, why would they receive revelation that they are already against, and then dutifully convey it to the church? This is a pipe dream from a bygone era.

This is as ridiculous as Democrats believing Joe Biden actually won the election.

People need to pull their heads out and get real. Be ye not deceived.
Because Joseph Smith Jr was the Prophet of the last dispensation, and the Prophet holds all the keys of that dispensation. Therefore, this dispensation will be different the the past dispensations where this one will not apostatize like the rest have. The modern day prophet will have the keys to usher in the opening of the seventh seal, the gathering of the lost 10 tribes of Israel. That is why anyone who believes otherwise is missing the mark just like the Jews who ignored the 1st coming of Christ Jesus.
What do you suppose is the role of the one referred to as the marred or Davidic Servant, in relation to the function and offices of the church?

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woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 11:57 pm
Chip wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 11:39 pm
If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority.

But, if the brethren keep delivering the church into the NWO, why would they receive revelation that they are already against, and then dutifully convey it to the church? This is a pipe dream from a bygone era.

This is as ridiculous as Democrats believing Joe Biden actually won the election.

People need to pull their heads out and get real. Be ye not deceived.
Because Joseph Smith Jr was the Prophet of the last dispensation, and the Prophet holds all the keys of that dispensation. Therefore, this dispensation will be different the the past dispensations where this one will not apostatize like the rest have. The modern day prophet will have the keys to usher in the opening of the seventh seal, the gathering of the lost 10 tribes of Israel. That is why anyone who believes otherwise is missing the mark just like the Jews who ignored the 1st coming of Christ Jesus.

The current crop of leaders are not Joseph Smith and they are going along with the New World Order. That's the part you are not understanding. They are not going to be opening any seals or even looking forward to them. They've already run off the tracks and have made a covenant with death and hell. You are repeating a bunch of church dogma that is evidently false, at this point. What is being fulfilled is Isaiah's prophecy that the leaders would be asleep and not making a peep about the dangers we are all facing. That is being fulfilled. You need to turn your radio dial away from the deadband you've been stalled in.

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woodro76’s timing seems impeccable and hath been color coded conspicuously. Perhaps my query above would be better served as a new topic?


Feast of Trumpets, says questioner on C2C.

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BeNotDeceived wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 12:19 am
woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 11:57 pm
Chip wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 11:39 pm
If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority.

But, if the brethren keep delivering the church into the NWO, why would they receive revelation that they are already against, and then dutifully convey it to the church? This is a pipe dream from a bygone era.

This is as ridiculous as Democrats believing Joe Biden actually won the election.

People need to pull their heads out and get real. Be ye not deceived.
Because Joseph Smith Jr was the Prophet of the last dispensation, and the Prophet holds all the keys of that dispensation. Therefore, this dispensation will be different the the past dispensations where this one will not apostatize like the rest have. The modern day prophet will have the keys to usher in the opening of the seventh seal, the gathering of the lost 10 tribes of Israel. That is why anyone who believes otherwise is missing the mark just like the Jews who ignored the 1st coming of Christ Jesus.
What do you suppose is the role of the one referred to as the marred or Davidic Servant, in relation to the function and offices of the church?
My understanding is he will be the King of the Earth or the Right hand man of Jesus Christ himself while he isn't present on the earth during the millennium.

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This guy appears to simply repeat the presentations of others, almost word for word, but with a Liverpool accent.

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Robin Hood wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 1:33 am This guy appears to simply repeat the presentations of others, almost word for word, but with a Liverpool accent.
Classic scousers stealing from others

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Luke wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:48 am
Robin Hood wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 1:33 am This guy appears to simply repeat the presentations of others, almost word for word, but with a Liverpool accent.
Classic scousers stealing from others
On the plus side he served in the Scotland Edinburgh Mission which, as everyone knows, is without doubt the greatest mission on planet earth and beyond.
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Robin Hood wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:55 am
Luke wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:48 am
Robin Hood wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 1:33 am This guy appears to simply repeat the presentations of others, almost word for word, but with a Liverpool accent.
Classic scousers stealing from others
On the plus side he served in the Scotland Edinburgh Mission which, as everyone knows, is without doubt the greatest mission on planet earth and beyond.
You sure?.... I actually heard that one is a close second to the Buenos Aires Norte mission. And that science proved it so it can't be discussed further 😁

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Cruiserdude wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:59 am
Robin Hood wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:55 am
Luke wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:48 am
Robin Hood wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 1:33 am This guy appears to simply repeat the presentations of others, almost word for word, but with a Liverpool accent.
Classic scousers stealing from others
On the plus side he served in the Scotland Edinburgh Mission which, as everyone knows, is without doubt the greatest mission on planet earth and beyond.
You sure?.... I actually heard that one is a close second to the Buenos Aires Norte mission. And that science proved it so it can't be discussed further 😁
Oh yes, I'm absolutely sure.
It's in D&C 139.

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woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 10:01 pm Upon further research into the teachings of the Joseph Smith Jr. and following general authorities of the church up to the present day we aren't yet in the Seventh Seal. There are so many false teachers/Christs who set themselves up for priestcrafts because they aren't doing their research going to the source of the doctrine of the church. If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority. These things are left a mystery for a specific reason as they aren't relevant to the now in our day.

When the Seventh Seal is to be opened, I am very sure the the currant Prophet will gather a solemn assembly on a grand scale with the elect of the church and usher in the seventh seal as envisioned in the scriptures. Before any man knows, the prophet will know. Not to discount the prophecies, yet we should know them, yet not be so focused on them that we lose the spirit to teach us because we are fanatical about what we learn. There is wisdom in doing your research and learning what both early Prophets such as Jospeh Smith Jr. up to the modern day prophets and apostles have said on the subject of the second coming. Mysteries are hidden in the manuals of the church that some false teachers don't recognize or haven't even seen yet.

Dan Wilkinson is a young convert to the church. I believe he means well and has a good heart, yet he lacks the knowledge that would make his videos viable in fulfilling prophecy according to his knowledge. Jodi Stoddard has a great some of knowledge yet she put her faith in another false teacher who was excommunicated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. There are many members of the church concerned about fanatical members teaching what hasn't been taught by and/or the prophet himself. Be careful who you put your faith in, especially in the arm of flesh. Spiritually speaking, those who are teaching the truth will spiritually align with all of the past prophets and apostles in the ancient scriptures, Joseph Smith's Jr. time and up to the present. Doctrine given by Joseph Smith Jr. is just as relevant as revelation given by the modern day prophets and apostles. The prophet will always know before we do. Anything else is missing the mark.
Have you not read D&C 101:43-63? Church leaders are prophesized there to "mess up" and other servants will be called in their place. Similar descriptions are to be had in Isaiah 28, Jacob 5, and elsewhere. There are multiple examples of prophets doing the wrong things in scripture. Recall Moses, Jonah, David, Peter, Joseph Smith ... and the list goes on. This doesn't make them null and void regarding their callings, obviously, but to think they'll know everything before everyone else and never make a mistake ever is incorrect.

I have never read that the current prophet will call a solemn assembly "on a grand scale" with the elect of the church to usher in the 7th seal.

There are so many things wrong with what you wrote in your three paragraphs that I don't know where to go next.

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LDS Physician wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:36 pm
woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 10:01 pm Upon further research into the teachings of the Joseph Smith Jr. and following general authorities of the church up to the present day we aren't yet in the Seventh Seal. There are so many false teachers/Christs who set themselves up for priestcrafts because they aren't doing their research going to the source of the doctrine of the church. If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority. These things are left a mystery for a specific reason as they aren't relevant to the now in our day.

When the Seventh Seal is to be opened, I am very sure the the currant Prophet will gather a solemn assembly on a grand scale with the elect of the church and usher in the seventh seal as envisioned in the scriptures. Before any man knows, the prophet will know. Not to discount the prophecies, yet we should know them, yet not be so focused on them that we lose the spirit to teach us because we are fanatical about what we learn. There is wisdom in doing your research and learning what both early Prophets such as Jospeh Smith Jr. up to the modern day prophets and apostles have said on the subject of the second coming. Mysteries are hidden in the manuals of the church that some false teachers don't recognize or haven't even seen yet.

Dan Wilkinson is a young convert to the church. I believe he means well and has a good heart, yet he lacks the knowledge that would make his videos viable in fulfilling prophecy according to his knowledge. Jodi Stoddard has a great some of knowledge yet she put her faith in another false teacher who was excommunicated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. There are many members of the church concerned about fanatical members teaching what hasn't been taught by and/or the prophet himself. Be careful who you put your faith in, especially in the arm of flesh. Spiritually speaking, those who are teaching the truth will spiritually align with all of the past prophets and apostles in the ancient scriptures, Joseph Smith's Jr. time and up to the present. Doctrine given by Joseph Smith Jr. is just as relevant as revelation given by the modern day prophets and apostles. The prophet will always know before we do. Anything else is missing the mark.
Have you not read D&C 101:43-63? Church leaders are prophesized there to "mess up" and other servants will be called in their place. Similar descriptions are to be had in Isaiah 28, Jacob 5, and elsewhere. There are multiple examples of prophets doing the wrong things in scripture. Recall Moses, Jonah, David, Peter, Joseph Smith ... and the list goes on. This doesn't make them null and void regarding their callings, obviously, but to think they'll know everything before everyone else and never make a mistake ever is incorrect.

I have never read that the current prophet will call a solemn assembly "on a grand scale" with the elect of the church to usher in the 7th seal.

There are so many things wrong with what you wrote in your three paragraphs that I don't know where to go next.
Wow, Amen to your Priesthood! The church restored with Jospeh Smith Jr. will never be taken from the earth like other dispensations. Man is not perfect, yet the Power of the Priesthood when exercised righteously is perfect. The grand solemn assembly is supposed to happen in conjunction with the opening of the seventh seal and the half hour of heaven. Yet who would be authorized to do this? If I am wrong, please share references and expound. Amos 3:7 The Lord's prophet. I don't think I need to elaborate any further.

Jodi Stoddard isn't teaching the whole truth. Dan Wilkinson is sharing and expounding more on what he believes in the events leading up to the second coming. Yet, both of them are making way out their assumptions and speculating on what will happen. They might be educating, yet they are also causing concern to those who know the truth within the church. It is just impossible for us to be in the seventh seal and half way into the seven year tribulation as we don't have world peace, and no New World Order. Nor has the Jerusalem temple been built and ancient sacrifices resumed by the Jews. The abomination of desolation will happen when the anti-christ enters the temple desecrating it, setting himself up to be God. The math doesn't add up, and timing is off. We have been warned of priestcraft in all its disguises.

I might be plain and simple in what I am right, yet I know what needs to happen before the second coming is to take place. Jesus Christ will not skip steps and just blind side his elect. He will fulfill prophecy as he has don't so in ancient times. Those who are foolish will speculate, make assumptions and miss the mark when he comes. Prophecies given by Joseph Smith Jr. gives the Lord's elect the ability to know what his happening prior to the second coming. Revelations is given to all those who believe in Christ and have faith in him to know the events prior to the end of the six seal.

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woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 10:01 pm Upon further research into the teachings of the Joseph Smith Jr. and following general authorities of the church up to the present day we aren't yet in the Seventh Seal.
There are so many false teachers/Christs who set themselves up for priestcrafts because they aren't doing their research going to the source of the doctrine of the church.
If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority.

These things are left a mystery for a specific reason as they aren't relevant to the now in our day.
what a joke.
there ya go again.

and talk about false teachers who set themselves up;
look no further than the church leaders that you idolize so much - trusting in the arm of the flesh. SMH
I think you had better read this.
Be Wary of Man and His Words
http://www.7witnesses.com/uploads/3/8/9 ... _words.pdf

They have no more authority to teach about ANYTHING - than you or I do.
The church is in total apostasy and (it's leaders - the drunkards of Ephraim) ***
do not receive revelation, and have no authority.

but you can go ahead being deceived and asleep, and continue to believe like most members -
saying "all is well in Zion - yea, Zion prospereth, all is well"

Nephi did indeed see our day and described us perfectly.
2 Nephi 28 is about who ? you got it, the "all is well in Zion" member. (which is the overwhelming majority of the members)

21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth,
all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
***
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!
2 Nephi 28

"that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation"
Ether 8
and heed the warnings in The Book of Mormon

O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.
2 Nephi 1:13

***
Isaiah 28 exposes the follies of the "Drunkards of Ephraim! " (church leaders)
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55396&p=1037704&hil ... h#p1037704
Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

1 Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59), each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse. Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment. Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths, the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

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woodro76 wrote: January 4th, 2021, 5:17 am
LDS Physician wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:36 pm
woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 10:01 pm Upon further research into the teachings of the Joseph Smith Jr. and following general authorities of the church up to the present day we aren't yet in the Seventh Seal. There are so many false teachers/Christs who set themselves up for priestcrafts because they aren't doing their research going to the source of the doctrine of the church. If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority. These things are left a mystery for a specific reason as they aren't relevant to the now in our day.

When the Seventh Seal is to be opened, I am very sure the the currant Prophet will gather a solemn assembly on a grand scale with the elect of the church and usher in the seventh seal as envisioned in the scriptures. Before any man knows, the prophet will know. Not to discount the prophecies, yet we should know them, yet not be so focused on them that we lose the spirit to teach us because we are fanatical about what we learn. There is wisdom in doing your research and learning what both early Prophets such as Jospeh Smith Jr. up to the modern day prophets and apostles have said on the subject of the second coming. Mysteries are hidden in the manuals of the church that some false teachers don't recognize or haven't even seen yet.

Dan Wilkinson is a young convert to the church. I believe he means well and has a good heart, yet he lacks the knowledge that would make his videos viable in fulfilling prophecy according to his knowledge. Jodi Stoddard has a great some of knowledge yet she put her faith in another false teacher who was excommunicated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. There are many members of the church concerned about fanatical members teaching what hasn't been taught by and/or the prophet himself. Be careful who you put your faith in, especially in the arm of flesh. Spiritually speaking, those who are teaching the truth will spiritually align with all of the past prophets and apostles in the ancient scriptures, Joseph Smith's Jr. time and up to the present. Doctrine given by Joseph Smith Jr. is just as relevant as revelation given by the modern day prophets and apostles. The prophet will always know before we do. Anything else is missing the mark.
Have you not read D&C 101:43-63? Church leaders are prophesized there to "mess up" and other servants will be called in their place. Similar descriptions are to be had in Isaiah 28, Jacob 5, and elsewhere. There are multiple examples of prophets doing the wrong things in scripture. Recall Moses, Jonah, David, Peter, Joseph Smith ... and the list goes on. This doesn't make them null and void regarding their callings, obviously, but to think they'll know everything before everyone else and never make a mistake ever is incorrect.

I have never read that the current prophet will call a solemn assembly "on a grand scale" with the elect of the church to usher in the 7th seal.

There are so many things wrong with what you wrote in your three paragraphs that I don't know where to go next.
Wow, Amen to your Priesthood! The church restored with Jospeh Smith Jr. will never be taken from the earth like other dispensations. Man is not perfect, yet the Power of the Priesthood when exercised righteously is perfect. The grand solemn assembly is supposed to happen in conjunction with the opening of the seventh seal and the half hour of heaven. Yet who would be authorized to do this? If I am wrong, please share references and expound. Amos 3:7 The Lord's prophet. I don't think I need to elaborate any further.

Jodi Stoddard isn't teaching the whole truth. Dan Wilkinson is sharing and expounding more on what he believes in the events leading up to the second coming. Yet, both of them are making way out their assumptions and speculating on what will happen. They might be educating, yet they are also causing concern to those who know the truth within the church. It is just impossible for us to be in the seventh seal and half way into the seven year tribulation as we don't have world peace, and no New World Order. Nor has the Jerusalem temple been built and ancient sacrifices resumed by the Jews. The abomination of desolation will happen when the anti-christ enters the temple desecrating it, setting himself up to be God. The math doesn't add up, and timing is off. We have been warned of priestcraft in all its disguises.

I might be plain and simple in what I am right, yet I know what needs to happen before the second coming is to take place. Jesus Christ will not skip steps and just blind side his elect. He will fulfill prophecy as he has don't so in ancient times. Those who are foolish will speculate, make assumptions and miss the mark when he comes. Prophecies given by Joseph Smith Jr. gives the Lord's elect the ability to know what his happening prior to the second coming. Revelations is given to all those who believe in Christ and have faith in him to know the events prior to the end of the six seal.
I'm a brethren supporter, but I find your stance and complaints to be hypocritical. You're complaining that these two are making assumptions and speculating, and not following exactly what the brethren have taught, complaining that they aren't teaching that we are OBVIOUSLY (in your mind) in the sixth seal still, not talking about the New World Order, the antichrist, and that there is a 7 year tribulation, that the abomination of desolation is when the anti-Chirst desecrates it etc. The brethren haven't spoken about any of these things. So you are also going against the brethren. In fact many of these ideas come from main-stream Christian commentary on Bible prophecy. You're interpreting last day prophecy in your own mind making assumptions and speculating, thinking you know what it will look like and how it will be fulfilled, so you're doing the exact same thing you are accusing these two of doing.

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Re: Interesting take from brother Wilkinson

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woodro76 wrote: January 4th, 2021, 5:17 am
LDS Physician wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:36 pm
woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 10:01 pm Upon further research into the teachings of the Joseph Smith Jr. and following general authorities of the church up to the present day we aren't yet in the Seventh Seal. There are so many false teachers/Christs who set themselves up for priestcrafts because they aren't doing their research going to the source of the doctrine of the church. If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority. These things are left a mystery for a specific reason as they aren't relevant to the now in our day.

When the Seventh Seal is to be opened, I am very sure the the currant Prophet will gather a solemn assembly on a grand scale with the elect of the church and usher in the seventh seal as envisioned in the scriptures. Before any man knows, the prophet will know. Not to discount the prophecies, yet we should know them, yet not be so focused on them that we lose the spirit to teach us because we are fanatical about what we learn. There is wisdom in doing your research and learning what both early Prophets such as Jospeh Smith Jr. up to the modern day prophets and apostles have said on the subject of the second coming. Mysteries are hidden in the manuals of the church that some false teachers don't recognize or haven't even seen yet.

Dan Wilkinson is a young convert to the church. I believe he means well and has a good heart, yet he lacks the knowledge that would make his videos viable in fulfilling prophecy according to his knowledge. Jodi Stoddard has a great some of knowledge yet she put her faith in another false teacher who was excommunicated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. There are many members of the church concerned about fanatical members teaching what hasn't been taught by and/or the prophet himself. Be careful who you put your faith in, especially in the arm of flesh. Spiritually speaking, those who are teaching the truth will spiritually align with all of the past prophets and apostles in the ancient scriptures, Joseph Smith's Jr. time and up to the present. Doctrine given by Joseph Smith Jr. is just as relevant as revelation given by the modern day prophets and apostles. The prophet will always know before we do. Anything else is missing the mark.
Have you not read D&C 101:43-63? Church leaders are prophesized there to "mess up" and other servants will be called in their place. Similar descriptions are to be had in Isaiah 28, Jacob 5, and elsewhere. There are multiple examples of prophets doing the wrong things in scripture. Recall Moses, Jonah, David, Peter, Joseph Smith ... and the list goes on. This doesn't make them null and void regarding their callings, obviously, but to think they'll know everything before everyone else and never make a mistake ever is incorrect.

I have never read that the current prophet will call a solemn assembly "on a grand scale" with the elect of the church to usher in the 7th seal.

There are so many things wrong with what you wrote in your three paragraphs that I don't know where to go next.
Wow, Amen to your Priesthood! The church restored with Jospeh Smith Jr. will never be taken from the earth like other dispensations. Man is not perfect, yet the Power of the Priesthood when exercised righteously is perfect. The grand solemn assembly is supposed to happen in conjunction with the opening of the seventh seal and the half hour of heaven. Yet who would be authorized to do this? If I am wrong, please share references and expound. Amos 3:7 The Lord's prophet. I don't think I need to elaborate any further.

Jodi Stoddard isn't teaching the whole truth. Dan Wilkinson is sharing and expounding more on what he believes in the events leading up to the second coming. Yet, both of them are making way out their assumptions and speculating on what will happen. They might be educating, yet they are also causing concern to those who know the truth within the church. It is just impossible for us to be in the seventh seal and half way into the seven year tribulation as we don't have world peace, and no New World Order. Nor has the Jerusalem temple been built and ancient sacrifices resumed by the Jews. The abomination of desolation will happen when the anti-christ enters the temple desecrating it, setting himself up to be God. The math doesn't add up, and timing is off. We have been warned of priestcraft in all its disguises.

I might be plain and simple in what I am right, yet I know what needs to happen before the second coming is to take place. Jesus Christ will not skip steps and just blind side his elect. He will fulfill prophecy as he has don't so in ancient times. Those who are foolish will speculate, make assumptions and miss the mark when he comes. Prophecies given by Joseph Smith Jr. gives the Lord's elect the ability to know what his happening prior to the second coming. Revelations is given to all those who believe in Christ and have faith in him to know the events prior to the end of the six seal.
Just bare in mind that all prophecy is conditional. It does not have to happen. A lot of people fail to understand this.
A significant amount of prophecy is written in the subjunctive.

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Re: Interesting take from brother Wilkinson

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woodro76 wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 1:15 am
BeNotDeceived wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 12:19 am
woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 11:57 pm
What do you suppose is the role of the one referred to as the marred or Davidic Servant, in relation to the function and offices of the church?
My understanding is he will be the King of the Earth or the Right hand man of Jesus Christ himself while he isn't present on the earth during the millennium.
Sounds about right, based on my limited understanding.

How do you suppose people at large or the church will become aware of his presence?

Will the church welcome him with open arms?

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Re: Interesting take from brother Wilkinson

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Sarah wrote: January 4th, 2021, 10:11 am
woodro76 wrote: January 4th, 2021, 5:17 am
LDS Physician wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 7:36 pm
woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 10:01 pm Upon further research into the teachings of the Joseph Smith Jr. and following general authorities of the church up to the present day we aren't yet in the Seventh Seal. There are so many false teachers/Christs who set themselves up for priestcrafts because they aren't doing their research going to the source of the doctrine of the church. If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority. These things are left a mystery for a specific reason as they aren't relevant to the now in our day.

When the Seventh Seal is to be opened, I am very sure the the currant Prophet will gather a solemn assembly on a grand scale with the elect of the church and usher in the seventh seal as envisioned in the scriptures. Before any man knows, the prophet will know. Not to discount the prophecies, yet we should know them, yet not be so focused on them that we lose the spirit to teach us because we are fanatical about what we learn. There is wisdom in doing your research and learning what both early Prophets such as Jospeh Smith Jr. up to the modern day prophets and apostles have said on the subject of the second coming. Mysteries are hidden in the manuals of the church that some false teachers don't recognize or haven't even seen yet.

Dan Wilkinson is a young convert to the church. I believe he means well and has a good heart, yet he lacks the knowledge that would make his videos viable in fulfilling prophecy according to his knowledge. Jodi Stoddard has a great some of knowledge yet she put her faith in another false teacher who was excommunicated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. There are many members of the church concerned about fanatical members teaching what hasn't been taught by and/or the prophet himself. Be careful who you put your faith in, especially in the arm of flesh. Spiritually speaking, those who are teaching the truth will spiritually align with all of the past prophets and apostles in the ancient scriptures, Joseph Smith's Jr. time and up to the present. Doctrine given by Joseph Smith Jr. is just as relevant as revelation given by the modern day prophets and apostles. The prophet will always know before we do. Anything else is missing the mark.
Have you not read D&C 101:43-63? Church leaders are prophesized there to "mess up" and other servants will be called in their place. Similar descriptions are to be had in Isaiah 28, Jacob 5, and elsewhere. There are multiple examples of prophets doing the wrong things in scripture. Recall Moses, Jonah, David, Peter, Joseph Smith ... and the list goes on. This doesn't make them null and void regarding their callings, obviously, but to think they'll know everything before everyone else and never make a mistake ever is incorrect.

I have never read that the current prophet will call a solemn assembly "on a grand scale" with the elect of the church to usher in the 7th seal.

There are so many things wrong with what you wrote in your three paragraphs that I don't know where to go next.
Wow, Amen to your Priesthood! The church restored with Jospeh Smith Jr. will never be taken from the earth like other dispensations. Man is not perfect, yet the Power of the Priesthood when exercised righteously is perfect. The grand solemn assembly is supposed to happen in conjunction with the opening of the seventh seal and the half hour of heaven. Yet who would be authorized to do this? If I am wrong, please share references and expound. Amos 3:7 The Lord's prophet. I don't think I need to elaborate any further.

Jodi Stoddard isn't teaching the whole truth. Dan Wilkinson is sharing and expounding more on what he believes in the events leading up to the second coming. Yet, both of them are making way out their assumptions and speculating on what will happen. They might be educating, yet they are also causing concern to those who know the truth within the church. It is just impossible for us to be in the seventh seal and half way into the seven year tribulation as we don't have world peace, and no New World Order. Nor has the Jerusalem temple been built and ancient sacrifices resumed by the Jews. The abomination of desolation will happen when the anti-christ enters the temple desecrating it, setting himself up to be God. The math doesn't add up, and timing is off. We have been warned of priestcraft in all its disguises.

I might be plain and simple in what I am right, yet I know what needs to happen before the second coming is to take place. Jesus Christ will not skip steps and just blind side his elect. He will fulfill prophecy as he has don't so in ancient times. Those who are foolish will speculate, make assumptions and miss the mark when he comes. Prophecies given by Joseph Smith Jr. gives the Lord's elect the ability to know what his happening prior to the second coming. Revelations is given to all those who believe in Christ and have faith in him to know the events prior to the end of the six seal.
I'm a brethren supporter, but I find your stance and complaints to be hypocritical. You're complaining that these two are making assumptions and speculating, and not following exactly what the brethren have taught, complaining that they aren't teaching that we are OBVIOUSLY (in your mind) in the sixth seal still, not talking about the New World Order, the antichrist, and that there is a 7 year tribulation, that the abomination of desolation is when the anti-Chirst desecrates it etc. The brethren haven't spoken about any of these things. So you are also going against the brethren. In fact many of these ideas come from main-stream Christian commentary on Bible prophecy. You're interpreting last day prophecy in your own mind making assumptions and speculating, thinking you know what it will look like and how it will be fulfilled, so you're doing the exact same thing you are accusing these two of doing.
Incorrect! All of what I talk about is in the scriptures. Those whom I do complain of aren't following the entire truth. If they were, they would be including the things they are leaving out. The brethren haven't spoken about these things as of yet because these are the things we don't need to worry about at the moment. Let me share something from Jospeh Smith Jr. that might clarify what I am saying.

"(28-52) Daniel 12:7–13. “How Long Shall It Be to the
End of These Wonders?”
The interpretation of the time periods mentioned in
these verses has not been revealed by the Lord as yet.
Numerous calculations and formulas have been put
forward, each in their turn to be proven wrong.

William Miller, a founder of the Adventist movement,
predicted Christ’s coming in 1844, which prediction
Joseph Smith declared to be false (see Smith, Teachings,
pp. 340–41). Miller’s calculations came from an
interpretation of this passage in Daniel. Time and
again people have thought they had the key and enticed
others to believe, only to reap disappointment. Even
today there are those who predict earthquakes and
great calamities occurring on specific dates, based on
this passage in Daniel, and sadly, they still entice
others to believe and follow.

The Prophet Joseph Smith said that if the Lord did
not give the key for interpreting a symbol or image He
employed, He would not hold His children
responsible for it (see Notes and Commentary on
Ezekiel 1:15–21). For reasons not at present known, the
Lord has not revealed the key for interpreting this
passage, and, until He does so, speculation and
calculation are pointless.

Pg. 306 - Old Testament Institute Student Manual - 1 Kings - Malachi

Clearly, if the Brethren don't know, NO ONE ELSE KNOWS. I fully believe the Lord will reveal these things to his prophet (amos 3:7) in due time. Something we must understand is that even the Christians who are worthy who aren't of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day-Saints will make it into the millennium. Those who are faithful too can be enlightened and understand revelations. However, they will lack the additional revelations that we have and corrections by Joseph Smith Jr. There is no hypocrisy on my part to state that it isn't the focus of the brethren or even the Lord's church at this time. President Nelson said the most import work is gathering of Israel in the Lord's church. This is both missionary work and temple work. And no, I am not doing what you accuse me off. Rather, defending the truth that we aren't in the period of time that some false teachers would want us to think we are in. Sound doctrine, commentary, scriptures, and teachings of Jospeh Smith Jr, apostles and prophets up to our time have confirmed what I know to be true. Remember, truth isn't always found within the church only. They way we know the truth is by the Holy Spirit or the Light of Christ. I have not come to this conclusion lightly, yet by doing my research and going to the approved sources and looking at what others have said. I know I am not wrong. However, I have never speculated on the second coming. I know it is useless. I do know that specific prophesy will take place and the elect will know what is happening prior to his coming. The Lord has done this in all dispensations and the faithful have been able to see the fulfillment of prophecies. The Lord is the same today, tomorrow and forever. My only hypocrisy in what I share would be to believe something else than I have written, or i.e. say one thing and do another. I will not make no apology for standing up for the truth.

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Re: Interesting take from brother Wilkinson

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BeNotDeceived wrote: January 5th, 2021, 12:15 am
woodro76 wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 1:15 am
BeNotDeceived wrote: January 3rd, 2021, 12:19 am
woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 11:57 pm
What do you suppose is the role of the one referred to as the marred or Davidic Servant, in relation to the function and offices of the church?
My understanding is he will be the King of the Earth or the Right hand man of Jesus Christ himself while he isn't present on the earth during the millennium.
Sounds about right, based on my limited understanding.

How do you suppose people at large or the church will become aware of his presence?

Will the church welcome him with open arms?
This would happen in the millennium when the Earth is a terrestrial state. So, I imagine that Christ himself will introduce us to David and as only those who believe in Christ will be on the Earth, I think we will be very accepting of him.

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Re: Interesting take from brother Wilkinson

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SPIRIT wrote: January 4th, 2021, 8:36 am
woodro76 wrote: January 2nd, 2021, 10:01 pm Upon further research into the teachings of the Joseph Smith Jr. and following general authorities of the church up to the present day we aren't yet in the Seventh Seal.
There are so many false teachers/Christs who set themselves up for priestcrafts because they aren't doing their research going to the source of the doctrine of the church.
If the brethren have not expounded on the events of the Seventh Seal, the Half hour of Silence and the 7 years of tribulation, no member of the church has authority to teach such things with authority.

These things are left a mystery for a specific reason as they aren't relevant to the now in our day.
what a joke.
there ya go again.

and talk about false teachers who set themselves up;
look no further than the church leaders that you idolize so much - trusting in the arm of the flesh. SMH
I think you had better read this.
Be Wary of Man and His Words
http://www.7witnesses.com/uploads/3/8/9 ... _words.pdf

They have no more authority to teach about ANYTHING - than you or I do.
The church is in total apostasy and (it's leaders - the drunkards of Ephraim) ***
do not receive revelation, and have no authority.

but you can go ahead being deceived and asleep, and continue to believe like most members -
saying "all is well in Zion - yea, Zion prospereth, all is well"

Nephi did indeed see our day and described us perfectly.
2 Nephi 28 is about who ? you got it, the "all is well in Zion" member. (which is the overwhelming majority of the members)

21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth,
all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
***
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!
2 Nephi 28

"that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation"
Ether 8
and heed the warnings in The Book of Mormon

O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea,
even from the sleep of hell,
and shake off the awful chains by which ye are bound,
which are the chains which bind
the children of men, that they are carried away captive down
to the eternal gulf of misery and woe.
2 Nephi 1:13

***
Isaiah 28 exposes the follies of the "Drunkards of Ephraim! " (church leaders)
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55396&p=1037704&hil ... h#p1037704
Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

1 Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59), each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse. Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment. Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths, the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).
Your response with your own private interpretations and quotes from sandy foundations is clearly not doctrine or based on scripture. I make no apology for that. Clearly, as the Nephi eloquently states that there will be two churches, one of the Devil and the other the Church of the Lamb of God in the last days. There will be members who call themselves Christian who will be of the church of the devil. Simply, Jospeh Smith Jr, The Book of Mormon and the Church and prophets are true.They go hand in hand. Either they are or are not. There is no sandy foundation or middle ground here. The church of the last dispensation will not fall to apostasy like it has in other dispensations. As Joseph Smith Jr. will return to account for it with the other prophets during that time. Jospeh Smith Jr. holds all the keys of all the prophets of the prior dispensations. He is the only person who has done more for Lord's elect besides that of Jesus Christ himself. The brethren can't lead us in to apostasy without the Lord intervening in some way. It is foolish to believe that church will apostatize when it is going to be apart of the preparation of the Second coming. Yet, it is not foolish to think that 1/3 of the membership will leave the church because of apostasy. It happened during the time of Joseph Smith Jr and it can happen in our day.

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Re: Interesting take from brother Wilkinson

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You do not need a video to know when the 7th seal was opened. I can show you how to discover it for yourselves.

4:4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.
4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.


So this happens just before the judgement starts. The beginning of judgement is the 7th seal. Now put on your logic caps and make sure the propeller is turning.

In the 5th seal God's people are beheaded until their number is complete. They receive new white robes washed in the blood of Christ. They are then immortal. There are no more of God's people left on the earth. All the souls were under the Altar and now their number is complete. Only the wicked are left on earth. There are no more of God's people to be saved. There are no more of God's people that need protection.

Now look at this in the 7th seal.

7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.


The sealing of God's people started before the 7th seal was opened. By the time of 9:4 that work has been finished. I know exactly how and ~when I was sealed. And I testify that it is a visible mark.

Is the propeller still spinning? Good! If the number of all of God's people is complete in seal 5 and they are all immortal then who is God protecting with his seal in seal 7? Do I see some smoke coming out of some ears? Motors running, gears turning. Everything seizing up. :(

Anyone?

Seal 7 has to be before seal 5!

Jesus gives the starting order of the seals.

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Immediately after the 7th seal is the 6th seal. Why is the tribulation of those days the 7th seal?

12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


Because there is a time of trouble followed by a resurrection. After that resurrection some will be saved and some will be lost. So seal 5 has to be after the resurrection because those that are lost take the mark of the beast and help behead the souls under the altar which is the second death. There is the time of trouble which comes upon the whole earth and there is the time of Jacob's trouble. In the trouble that comes upon the whole earth the people of God are protected by his mark. It is not the time of Jacob's trouble. It is the time God pleads with the wicked. It is the 7th seal. The time of Jacob's trouble is the 5th seal. The 7th seal ends with there being no more time. The 6th seal is the end of this creation.

So now hopefully the propeller is still turning and you realize that the 7th seal is first in time sequence. Fingers crossed.

So now back to when the 7th seal was most likely opened. When was israel in exile planted in North America? When the pilgrims departed the Mayflower in 1620. When was Judah fully restored? In 1970 when they recaptured Jerusalem. What year is 1620 + 390? 2010. What is 1970 + 40? 2010. What is the most likely year that the silence in heaven started? Therefore what year was the 7th seal most likely opened? Reach up and give that propeller a good wack.

Please give my attempt at humor a hall pass! :)

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