Elder Paul Watkins prays the new Feather River California temple will help us put our faith in the Aposltes

[Serragon]

I can't help but think that God has quit our church, due to its lack of zeal for the truth, yet the leadership just keeps doubling down on its anointedness. It's like a giant rip is in progress.

God will reward faith anywhere He finds it. I don't think he has quit.

But I find it hard to see where he is influencing our leaders any differently than he does anyone else.

I continue to sustain our leaders as prophets, seers, and revelators in the understanding that they have been given keys and the hope that they will do what is necessary to fully realize those spiritual gifts. But I sadly and regretfully find that it is difficult to see where that is happening in a way that it doesn't happen in other faiths.

[righteousrepublic]

I can't help but think that God has quit our church, due to its lack of zeal for the truth, yet the leadership just keeps doubling down on its anointedness. It's like a giant rip is in progress.

God will reward faith anywhere He finds it. I don't think he has quit.

But I find it hard to see where he is influencing our leaders any differently than he does anyone else.

I continue to sustain our leaders as prophets, seers, and revelators in the understanding that they have been given keys and the hope that they will do what is necessary to fully realize those spiritual gifts. But I sadly and regretfully find that it is difficult to see where that is happening in a way that it doesn't happen in other faiths.

PSR's are in place when God needs them. Let's compare them to our use of mirrors as an example. As we drive we look ahead for our safety, and that we remain in our lane, and we glance in our rear view to see if someone is too close from behind. We also use side mirrors to check for someone in our blind spot so we can make a safe lane change. Mirrors are there when we need them.

PSR's are in place to guide and aid us in our safety and direction, spiritually. God reveals his secrets to his prophets first...when he wants to say something. Like mirrors, they are there for a very good purpose...when he needs them

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but (until) he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

2 Samuel 24:11
11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the Lord came unto the prophet Gad, David’s seer, saying,

Isaiah 42:9
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Mosiah 8:16–18
16 And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.
17 But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.
18 Thus God has provided a means that man, through faith, might work mighty miracles; therefore he becometh a great benefit to his fellow beings.

Alma 13:26
26 And it shall be made known unto just and holy men, by the mouth of angels, at the time of his coming, that the words of our fathers may be fulfilled, according to that which they have spoken concerning him, which was according to the spirit of prophecy which was in them.

[GrinBearIt]

I can't help but think that God has quit our church, due to its lack of zeal for the truth, yet the leadership just keeps doubling down on its anointedness. It's like a giant rip is in progress.

God will reward faith anywhere He finds it. I don't think he has quit.

But I find it hard to see where he is influencing our leaders any differently than he does anyone else.

I continue to sustain our leaders as prophets, seers, and revelators in the understanding that they have been given keys and the hope that they will do what is necessary to fully realize those spiritual gifts. But I sadly and regretfully find that it is difficult to see where that is happening in a way that it doesn't happen in other faiths.

PSR's are in place when God needs them. Let's compare them to our use of mirrors as an example. As we drive we look ahead for our safety, and that we remain in our lane, and we glance in our rear view to see if someone is too close from behind. We also use side mirrors to check for someone in our blind spot so we can make a safe lane change. Mirrors are there when we need them.

PSR's are in place to guide and aid us in our safety and direction, spiritually. God reveals his secrets to his prophets first...when he wants to say something. Like mirrors, they are there for a very good purpose...when he needs them

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but (until) he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

2 Samuel 24:11
11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the Lord came unto the prophet Gad, David’s seer, saying,

Isaiah 42:9
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Mosiah 8:16–18
16 And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.
17 But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.
18 Thus God has provided a means that man, through faith, might work mighty miracles; therefore he becometh a great benefit to his fellow beings.

Alma 13:26
26 And it shall be made known unto just and holy men, by the mouth of angels, at the time of his coming, that the words of our fathers may be fulfilled, according to that which they have spoken concerning him, which was according to the spirit of prophecy which was in them.

That is with the false idea that simply rising to the top of a religious hierarchy ensures that one is a PSR . . .but I digress.

As long as the Church has members it will have a PSR. The Church could have 10 members, but it will have a PSR . . .regardless of whether than individual actually receives Revelation from God or not. The Church has set itself up as a self-licking ice-cream cone. By definition it will always someone who it proclaims as a PSR; it is set up to force God's hand.

Whether God wants us to or not, we will always lift up a man to be a PSR.

[righteousrepublic]

I can't help but think that God has quit our church, due to its lack of zeal for the truth, yet the leadership just keeps doubling down on its anointedness. It's like a giant rip is in progress.

God will reward faith anywhere He finds it. I don't think he has quit.

But I find it hard to see where he is influencing our leaders any differently than he does anyone else.

I continue to sustain our leaders as prophets, seers, and revelators in the understanding that they have been given keys and the hope that they will do what is necessary to fully realize those spiritual gifts. But I sadly and regretfully find that it is difficult to see where that is happening in a way that it doesn't happen in other faiths.

PSR's are in place when God needs them. Let's compare them to our use of mirrors as an example. As we drive we look ahead for our safety, and that we remain in our lane, and we glance in our rear view to see if someone is too close from behind. We also use side mirrors to check for someone in our blind spot so we can make a safe lane change. Mirrors are there when we need them.

PSR's are in place to guide and aid us in our safety and direction, spiritually. God reveals his secrets to his prophets first...when he wants to say something. Like mirrors, they are there for a very good purpose...when he needs them

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but (until) he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

2 Samuel 24:11
11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the Lord came unto the prophet Gad, David’s seer, saying,

Isaiah 42:9
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Mosiah 8:16–18
16 And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.
17 But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.
18 Thus God has provided a means that man, through faith, might work mighty miracles; therefore he becometh a great benefit to his fellow beings.

Alma 13:26
26 And it shall be made known unto just and holy men, by the mouth of angels, at the time of his coming, that the words of our fathers may be fulfilled, according to that which they have spoken concerning him, which was according to the spirit of prophecy which was in them.

That is with the false idea that simply rising to the top of a religious hierarchy ensures that one is a PSR . . .but I digress.

As long as the Church has members it will have a PSR. The Church could have 10 members, but it will have a PSR . . .regardless of whether than individual actually receives Revelation from God or not. The Church has set itself up as a self-licking ice-cream cone. By definition it will always someone who it proclaims as a PSR; it is set up to force God's hand.

Whether God wants us to or not, we will always lift up a man to be a PSR.

Thanks for agreeing that God uses PSR's when needed.

How many people were in the church as members when Joseph Smith was converted?

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but (until) he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

[GrinBearIt]

God will reward faith anywhere He finds it. I don't think he has quit.

But I find it hard to see where he is influencing our leaders any differently than he does anyone else.

I continue to sustain our leaders as prophets, seers, and revelators in the understanding that they have been given keys and the hope that they will do what is necessary to fully realize those spiritual gifts. But I sadly and regretfully find that it is difficult to see where that is happening in a way that it doesn't happen in other faiths.

PSR's are in place when God needs them. Let's compare them to our use of mirrors as an example. As we drive we look ahead for our safety, and that we remain in our lane, and we glance in our rear view to see if someone is too close from behind. We also use side mirrors to check for someone in our blind spot so we can make a safe lane change. Mirrors are there when we need them.

PSR's are in place to guide and aid us in our safety and direction, spiritually. God reveals his secrets to his prophets first...when he wants to say something. Like mirrors, they are there for a very good purpose...when he needs them

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but (until) he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

2 Samuel 24:11
11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the Lord came unto the prophet Gad, David’s seer, saying,

Isaiah 42:9
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Mosiah 8:16–18
16 And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.
17 But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.
18 Thus God has provided a means that man, through faith, might work mighty miracles; therefore he becometh a great benefit to his fellow beings.

Alma 13:26
26 And it shall be made known unto just and holy men, by the mouth of angels, at the time of his coming, that the words of our fathers may be fulfilled, according to that which they have spoken concerning him, which was according to the spirit of prophecy which was in them.

That is with the false idea that simply rising to the top of a religious hierarchy ensures that one is a PSR . . .but I digress.

As long as the Church has members it will have a PSR. The Church could have 10 members, but it will have a PSR . . .regardless of whether than individual actually receives Revelation from God or not. The Church has set itself up as a self-licking ice-cream cone. By definition it will always someone who it proclaims as a PSR; it is set up to force God's hand.

Whether God wants us to or not, we will always lift up a man to be a PSR.

Thanks for agreeing that God uses PSR's when needed.

How many people were in the church as members when Joseph Smith was converted?

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but (until) he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Lol, we may have agreed without even knowing it. As long as we agree that simply saying a man is a PSR doesn't make him one, then I'm cool with it!

[righteousrepublic]

PSR's are in place when God needs them. Let's compare them to our use of mirrors as an example. As we drive we look ahead for our safety, and that we remain in our lane, and we glance in our rear view to see if someone is too close from behind. We also use side mirrors to check for someone in our blind spot so we can make a safe lane change. Mirrors are there when we need them.

PSR's are in place to guide and aid us in our safety and direction, spiritually. God reveals his secrets to his prophets first...when he wants to say something. Like mirrors, they are there for a very good purpose...when he needs them

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but (until) he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

2 Samuel 24:11
11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the Lord came unto the prophet Gad, David’s seer, saying,

Isaiah 42:9
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Mosiah 8:16–18
16 And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.
17 But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.
18 Thus God has provided a means that man, through faith, might work mighty miracles; therefore he becometh a great benefit to his fellow beings.

Alma 13:26
26 And it shall be made known unto just and holy men, by the mouth of angels, at the time of his coming, that the words of our fathers may be fulfilled, according to that which they have spoken concerning him, which was according to the spirit of prophecy which was in them.

That is with the false idea that simply rising to the top of a religious hierarchy ensures that one is a PSR . . .but I digress.

As long as the Church has members it will have a PSR. The Church could have 10 members, but it will have a PSR . . .regardless of whether than individual actually receives Revelation from God or not. The Church has set itself up as a self-licking ice-cream cone. By definition it will always someone who it proclaims as a PSR; it is set up to force God's hand.

Whether God wants us to or not, we will always lift up a man to be a PSR.

Thanks for agreeing that God uses PSR's when needed.

How many people were in the church as members when Joseph Smith was converted?

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but (until) he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Lol, we may have agreed without even knowing it. As long as we agree that simply saying a man is a PSR doesn't make him one, then I'm cool with it!

What I don't agree with is when a man is called of God to be a PSR, and members of the church treat him like a piece of dung. They act as if he is nothing more than the arm of flesh.

Believe me, God has a special place for these types. No matter how righteous these people assume they are, or how many scriptures they can quote, they will find out just what God has in store for them. The thoughts of the smartest man alive is but foolishness to God. Yet pride, arrogance and self aggrandizement get in the way of humility. There are certain traits that God expects us humans to acquire and when we don't put forth the effort to achieve even a portion of them...we lose.