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So many books defying Lincoln have been published that it is nearly impossible for the average citizen who is not a university researcher with an advanced degree to learn much of anything that is truthful about Lincoln and his war...This state of affairs is not surprising in light of the nearly complete dominance of government-funded schools at all levels. Government-funded schools are not likley to be keen on criticizing the government's "greatest president."

This book is intended to challenge the designation of Abraham Lincoln as America's greatest president. Some readers may even decide that he is the worst.
And he is not messing around

Today is the release date of my latest book, The Problem with Lincoln (Regnery). When I start doing radio interviews (first one this morning), an obvious question will be why I wrote another one, after The Real Lincoln was published in 2002.

There are (at least) three parts to the answer: First, on page 132 of The Problem with Lincoln I quote historian Ira Cardiff, author of The Deification of Lincoln (1943) as concluding that “Americans are not at all interested in the truth about Lincoln . . . . They desire a supernatural Lincoln, a Lincoln with none of the faults or frailties of the common man . . . a biography of Lincoln which told the truth about him would probably have great difficulty finding a publisher.” That was written in 1943.

Since the Lincoln myth is the ideological cornerstone of the American state, the foundation of its “treasury of virtue,” as Robert Penn Warren called it in The Legacy of the Civil War, it’s important that at least some Americans are not deluded by fantasies, myths, and superstitions about their own government.

Second, according to one account, more than 16,000 hagiographies have been published about Lincoln over the generations which is obviously why, as Ira Cardiff said, most Americans believe in a “supernatural” Lincoln (and by implication, a supernatural government in Washington). In the interest of offering Americans a fair and balanced view of their own history, I believe that two or three books on Lincoln that seek the truth about American history and attempt to portray the man as the cunning and conniving politician that he was, as opposed to the secular saint that he was made out to be by the Republican Party propaganda machine, is warranted. (It is not at all unusual for academic “Lincoln scholars” to write numerous books about different aspects of their subject, by the way).

Third, there has been some very good and interesting research on Lincoln and his war published over the past eighteen years that I utilize in The Problem with Lincoln. Writing another book after eighteen years of additional research, reading, writing, and debating the subject makes this a very different book.

For those of you who pick up the book, please feel free to let the Amazon.com comment section know what you think of it.

ori wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 1:33 pm Lincoln is being vilified by the Left.

ori wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 1:33 pm Lincoln is being vilified by the Left.

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 10:32 pm Arguing about Lincoln and his issues is like arguing about Martin Luther King Jr. They both did the lord’s will.

Change my mind....

bbsion wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 8:20 am

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 10:32 pm Arguing about Lincoln and his issues is like arguing about Martin Luther King Jr. They both did the lord’s will.

Change my mind....

If you really believe that then there is very likely no changing your mind. Read The Real Lincoln. It's a great informational book. If that does not change your mind then you can go on believing what you want. However, I feel like you may have said this without any intentions to learn anything new on the subject.

bbsion wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 8:20 am

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 10:32 pm Arguing about Lincoln and his issues is like arguing about Martin Luther King Jr. They both did the lord’s will.

Change my mind....

If you really believe that then there is very likely no changing your mind. Read The Real Lincoln. It's a great informational book. If that does not change your mind then you can go on believing what you want. However, I feel like you may have said this without any intentions to learn anything new on the subject.

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 10:32 pm Arguing about Lincoln and his issues is like arguing about Martin Luther King Jr. They both did the lord’s will.

Change my mind....

Luke wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 3:00 pm Lincoln literally created a fake currency

And opposed the Saints

Why people like him (not least LDS) makes no sense

Original_Intent wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 9:45 am
I would have to include Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Clinton, and Obama as contenders for "worst" but the latter two are probably more because I witnessed their presidencies as an adult, and they were the worst that I saw with my own eyes. They were very bad in their own ways.

ajax wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 9:45 am

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 10:32 pm Arguing about Lincoln and his issues is like arguing about Martin Luther King Jr. They both did the lord’s will.

Change my mind....

So you believe that forcing political union between parties that no longer wish to be in said union (which was voluntary to begin with), that led to one section militarily invading the other resulting in nearly 1 million casualties, 50,000 civilian deaths (southern), mass property destruction and starvation, all because of the abstract idea of "union", was the lord's will?

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 10:02 am

ajax wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 9:45 am

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 10:32 pm Arguing about Lincoln and his issues is like arguing about Martin Luther King Jr. They both did the lord’s will.

Change my mind....

So you believe that forcing political union between parties that no longer wish to be in said union (which was voluntary to begin with), that led to one section militarily invading the other resulting in nearly 1 million casualties, 50,000 civilian deaths (southern), mass property destruction and starvation, all because of the abstract idea of "union", was the lord's will?

I do, I also believe that the lord had his people live as slaves to the Egyptians. The Union soldiers didn’t have the drive like the confederate, if certain miracles didn’t happen the war would have went differently. Quit with the emotional justification of right and wrong, who are we to judge the lord’s will?

Original_Intent wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 10:15 am

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 10:02 am

ajax wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 9:45 am

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 10:32 pm Arguing about Lincoln and his issues is like arguing about Martin Luther King Jr. They both did the lord’s will.

Change my mind....

So you believe that forcing political union between parties that no longer wish to be in said union (which was voluntary to begin with), that led to one section militarily invading the other resulting in nearly 1 million casualties, 50,000 civilian deaths (southern), mass property destruction and starvation, all because of the abstract idea of "union", was the lord's will?

I do, I also believe that the lord had his people live as slaves to the Egyptians. The Union soldiers didn’t have the drive like the confederate, if certain miracles didn’t happen the war would have went differently. Quit with the emotional justification of right and wrong, who are we to judge the lord’s will?

Wow, what a world view. Everything is proceeding according to God's will, and we might as well just sit back and enjoy the show. What the absolute ____.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 10:15 am

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 10:02 am

ajax wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 9:45 am

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 9th, 2020, 10:32 pm Arguing about Lincoln and his issues is like arguing about Martin Luther King Jr. They both did the lord’s will.

Change my mind....

So you believe that forcing political union between parties that no longer wish to be in said union (which was voluntary to begin with), that led to one section militarily invading the other resulting in nearly 1 million casualties, 50,000 civilian deaths (southern), mass property destruction and starvation, all because of the abstract idea of "union", was the lord's will?

I do, I also believe that the lord had his people live as slaves to the Egyptians. The Union soldiers didn’t have the drive like the confederate, if certain miracles didn’t happen the war would have went differently. Quit with the emotional justification of right and wrong, who are we to judge the lord’s will?

Wow, what a world view. Everything is proceeding according to God's will, and we might as well just sit back and enjoy the show. What the absolute ____.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 10:59 am Control was the other guy's plan.
God has power, but there is plenty that goes on in this telestial world that are NOT according to what He would want.
There is someone else that has been granted power on this world as it's ruler FOR A TIME.

ajax wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 12:16 pm Prophecy's are descriptive, not statements of approval.

Are you suggesting that because we have a prophesy on war, we should no longer "renounce war and proclaim peace"?

I renounce Lincoln and his war as a great evil.

ajax wrote: ↑July 10th, 2020, 12:16 pm Prophecy's are descriptive, not statements of approval.

Are you suggesting that because we have a prophesy on war, we should no longer "renounce war and proclaim peace"?

I renounce Lincoln and his war as a great evil.