Was Cleon Skousen Advised Not to Publish His Final Book?

[highfive]

Look folks. Moroni kept some of the plates sealed for a good reason -- to try the faith of the people. But Moroni was the prophet -- Skousen was not. I think that is a distinction that needs to be looked at. Skousen was basically a nothing in terms of leadership and line of authority. I have a hard time seeing how could Skousen be inspired by the spirit to write the book he did certainly under the direction of at least one previous prophet (McKay), and then be told by the living representative that it was all wrong -- either in timing or in content. Can you explain that to me?

So since Skousen was told by President Hinckley to pack it in and he did, I recommend you all, and myself included, all follow his lead and just pack all this stuff in. PACK IT IN! Clearly we're going places we shouldn't. Clearly we are asking for things we shouldn't have. Clearly we are totally wasting our time. Skousen didn't have the support of the leadership for his work, and since nothing has changed, you and I don't either unless you think yourselves a bigger man than Skousen. I guess Reid was right, maybe Benson did lead us astray. And now look at me, I'm being called an apostate for pointing out the obvious.

ithink, this tone is bordering on the hysterical. Maybe Skousen was the only one who could write the book, but it wasn't the right time yet. Maybe more harm will be done to the new members than good will be done for others. there are lots of maybes. We should not assume that because we can't see the reasons then there are no reasons. And is our faith and our patience not being tried? It's very clear that we are free to learn for ourselves, but that some information must not come from the church, and that we are to keep a low profile for now.

[highfive]

Truth #1 – Plato, Aristotle, Socrates worked for Satan and helped develop the Synhedrion leadership of Satan’s Chruch.
Truth #2 – The Synhedrion have always worked for Satan. And they promote a religion of Satan that is followed in Jerusalem to this day. The Synhedrion wrote the Koran to promote another version of that false religion. The Synhedrion are the authors of the Catholic Religion. The Synhedrion are trying to convert all religions to the false religion, even the LDS religion. They are attacking the US Constitution and the institutions of Law. They want all religions to be Orthodox.
Truth #3 – Money is a mechanism of Satan’s Empire.
Truth #4 – Jesus Christ appeared and established his gospel unto the Saxons in Saxland at about 42 AD. Records of this event were almost completely obliterated by the Synhedrion, but were kept in a cultural remembrance by decedents of the Saxons. This Kingdom of the Keys, as it was called by Saxons lasted mostly unaltered until about 800 AD when it had to escape into the wilderness. Significant parts of this original organization established by Christ have lasted until today as part of our Anglo-Saxon heritage, but generally taken for granted as the Synhedrion continue their work to eradicate that culture.
Truth #5 – The Nordics called Heavenly Father the Thorough Father or just Thor.
Truth #6 – The purpose of the Temple is the Oath. Have you kept yours? Lets try the Oath of Consecration for one.
Truth #7 – The reason the preacher scene was taken out of the temple endowment was that some of the “Aristotelian educated” LDS and many of the rulers of the world in general had begun to take offense with that dialogue. That the foundation of Orthodoxy, the political structure of the world, is of Satan.
Truth #8 – The continuation of the Nordic/Arian Church mentioned in D&C 86:8-11 is proof that the generally believed story of the apostasy is not true, and this false story was developed to be in harmony with Aristotelian teachings, that are followed more than the light of the Holy Ghost is in today’s society.Truth #9 – The membership of the LDS Church, like all flesh, labor under Gross Darkness, having ears hear not, having eyes see not.
Truth #10 – The only way to God is through the promise to “Always remember Him” of the sacrament prayer. Are you and yours doing that?

Darren, this is what I have been waiting for from you. I am not as impressed with Wydner as you are, since he seems to be arrogant, and what he writes sounds more like mystery Babylon than the plainness of the gospel. Give us more of this. Plain and simple.

[highfive]

jeremy.ashton wrote:
Darren wrote:
Truth #3 – Money is a mechanism of Satan’s Empire.


I'm assuming you mean paper money. Freely trading value for value is a good thing.

Your assumptions reveal that you are laboring under Gross Darkness. Some Aristotelian teacher you subscribed to got you thinking that money is just a word for something of value. Money has always meant the Coin of the Realm or any of it's paper equivalents. Money is a word with its roots in the Goddess Juno Moneta, the goddess of the Roman Empire. Money is faith in the empire, and in emperors. Knowing the basis of words helps lift the Gross Darkness.

God Bless,

ok, Darren, maybe we don't know where the word money comes from, but we do know that satan uses and manipulates it. No doubt you are right. But do we not celebrate christmas with some pagan symbols?Does that make us laboring under Gross Darkness? What about the second part of the question, that value for value is the thing. does that not imply honesty? If you assume that we must all learn the etymology of these words before we can become enlightened, there is no hope for any of us except linguists. It would take a lifetime to get to the point where we become knowledgable enough to do anything. However, the basic principles seem fairly straightforward as you outlined them, and those could be learned in far less time, and let those who are interested and capable write us a etymological dictionary. Until I get the big picture, I am not interested in the details. It seems that you know things that cannot be conveyed easily, I know it must be frustrating :ymhug:, use the KISS method (Keep It Simple Stupid) with us.

[lundbaek]

Whoever wrote that statement that "Skousen didn't have the support of the leadership for his work, and since nothing has changed, you and I don't either unless you think yourselves a bigger man than Skousen." does not know what he/she is on about and apparently is in ignorance of a few important facts:

1.) In I think 1958 President McKay, during a Conference session in the Tabernacle, held up a copy of Dr. Skousen's book "The Naked Capitalist" and recommended it to be read by all members.

2.) President McKay personally invited Dr. Skousen to his office on at least 2 occasions I know of to discuss with him what led to the establishment of the Freeman Institute.

3.) Ezra Taft Benson was the keynote speaker at the dedication of the first building owned by the Freeman Institute, and Dr. Skousen was his accompanying speaker.

4.) Presidnt Monson spoke at Dr. Skousen's funeral

5.) I'd love to hit you with a couple more things every bit as or more significant that I know of, but I think it would be inappropriate.

[Darren]

Although I only just met Cleon Skousen at the meetings that used to be held at his home, most of what I know about Cleon is from those people who knew him in a manner much closer.

From what I understand, Cleon Skousen had talents and abilities in the fortunate situation to be able to perform his services in an independent manner. The personalities inside "the System" were not prepared or in a position to do the work that was assigned to Cleon Skousen by President McKay. According to a couple of his friends that I have talked to, the Church has had external and internal problems to deal with that necessitated an independent and external good man to do a work for the people of the Church.

The fact that there is no General Authority voicing and advocating for the works of Cleon Skousen means that the previous endorsement is all there is left to hang upon any interest in his works. And unfortunately for us who received a testimony of the work of Cleon Skousen it is interesting that the most recent work is "The Cleansing." And for us it is a sign that we are in those very last days that transition into this most horrifying event, that President McKay told Cleon Skousen was something he wanted to have the Church avoid by any means, as assisted by Cleon.

So you can treat Skousen's works any way you wish, but the truth in them will stand as a testimony for or against all those personalities that took advantage of the intelligence therein or disdained it.

Cleon Skousen was true to his calling.

I am currently available to entertain your other questions about the other information I am working with at
http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 31&t=16851

God Bless,
Darren

[Silas]

Perhaps we should consider the greater question of, why does the church not want certain information being widely distributed in light of these verses from Alma 12.

9And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.

10And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.

Perhaps greater heed and diligence should be given to what we have recieved before we receive a greater portion?

[Paul Skousen]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this.

Brother Skousen was never asked to write Cleansing, he wrote it of his own accord, in answer to his own curiosity what the Lord, the scriptures and the various prophets had all said on the subject. He never circulated the text among the Brethren, nor did any of them ask to see what he was writing.
When Brother Skousen completed the text, he had already been in the middle of doing a series of talks on what to expect in the next 25 years. Brother Nibley had completed his "Approaching Zion" work. And there was a growing interest or concern in some circles anticipating the upcoming Y2K "turn of the calendar" to 2000---some worried about the opening of the Seventh Seal.

Word also began to go around that some pockets of saints were attempting to instigate forms of the United Order among their own select numbers in anticipation of cataclysmic last days events. These groups apparently flopped (as we'd expect them to without the Lord's hand in it), and a general sense was rumored around that some groups were getting out in front of the Brethren on organizational ideas founded on their mutual memberships in the Church.

Brother Skousen viewed these events as good indicators that the saints were not ready for the level of spiritual preparation required to adopt the Lord’s plans, and wondered if his book might contribute to some of the foolish activities that were being instigated. He was always a strong advocate of following the Brethren, and didn't want to encourage anything but that.

He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."
However, some of the same material was included and fleshed out in "The Majesty of God's Law" that was published in 1996. Those who have both books will see a few similarities.

As dad told us, me in particular, wait to print Cleansing when the Constitution is on the rocks and is being ignored, and government leaders are piling foolish error on top of foolish error in an attempt to fix things---when the saints are expressing discouragement about this country and a sense of loss and suffering abounds, and they’re looking for these kinds of answers, then that’s the time to publish. As I mentioned in an early message a few months back, that's why the family decided to go ahead and print the book last year, we thought we were at the opening stages of a very, very dark time. We hope our timing is close enough to be effective, helpful, and most importantly, hopeful for those who read it, and it doesn’t fall on deaf ears as dad had worried. Thanks, --Paul

[bobhenstra]

Thank you Paul, I really like the book, in spite of the rumors!

Bob

[NoGreaterLove]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this.

Brother Skousen was never asked to write Cleansing, he wrote it of his own accord, in answer to his own curiosity what the Lord, the scriptures and the various prophets had all said on the subject. He never circulated the text among the Brethren, nor did any of them ask to see what he was writing.
When Brother Skousen completed the text, he had already been in the middle of doing a series of talks on what to expect in the next 25 years. Brother Nibley had completed his "Approaching Zion" work. And there was a growing interest or concern in some circles anticipating the upcoming Y2K "turn of the calendar" to 2000---some worried about the opening of the Seventh Seal.

Word also began to go around that some pockets of saints were attempting to instigate forms of the United Order among their own select numbers in anticipation of cataclysmic last days events. These groups apparently flopped (as we'd expect them to without the Lord's hand in it), and a general sense was rumored around that some groups were getting out in front of the Brethren on organizational ideas founded on their mutual memberships in the Church.


Brother Skousen viewed these events as good indicators that the saints were not ready for the level of spiritual preparation required to adopt the Lord’s plans, and wondered if his book might contribute to some of the foolish activities that were being instigated. He was always a strong advocate of following the Brethren, and didn't want to encourage anything but that.

He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."
However, some of the same material was included and fleshed out in "The Majesty of God's Law" that was published in 1996. Those who have both books will see a few similarities.

As dad told us, me in particular, wait to print Cleansing when the Constitution is on the rocks and is being ignored, and government leaders are piling foolish error on top of foolish error in an attempt to fix things---when the saints are expressing discouragement about this country and a sense of loss and suffering abounds, and they’re looking for these kinds of answers, then that’s the time to publish. As I mentioned in an early message a few months back, that's why the family decided to go ahead and print the book last year, we thought we were at the opening stages of a very, very dark time. We hope our timing is close enough to be effective, helpful, and most importantly, hopeful for those who read it, and it doesn’t fall on deaf ears as dad had worried. Thanks, --Paul

Paul thanks for this clarification on the subject of your father's book.

[Squally]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this.

Brother Skousen was never asked to write Cleansing, he wrote it of his own accord, in answer to his own curiosity what the Lord, the scriptures and the various prophets had all said on the subject. He never circulated the text among the Brethren, nor did any of them ask to see what he was writing.
When Brother Skousen completed the text, he had already been in the middle of doing a series of talks on what to expect in the next 25 years. Brother Nibley had completed his "Approaching Zion" work. And there was a growing interest or concern in some circles anticipating the upcoming Y2K "turn of the calendar" to 2000---some worried about the opening of the Seventh Seal.

Word also began to go around that some pockets of saints were attempting to instigate forms of the United Order among their own select numbers in anticipation of cataclysmic last days events. These groups apparently flopped (as we'd expect them to without the Lord's hand in it), and a general sense was rumored around that some groups were getting out in front of the Brethren on organizational ideas founded on their mutual memberships in the Church.

Brother Skousen viewed these events as good indicators that the saints were not ready for the level of spiritual preparation required to adopt the Lord’s plans, and wondered if his book might contribute to some of the foolish activities that were being instigated. He was always a strong advocate of following the Brethren, and didn't want to encourage anything but that.

He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."
However, some of the same material was included and fleshed out in "The Majesty of God's Law" that was published in 1996. Those who have both books will see a few similarities.

As dad told us, me in particular, wait to print Cleansing when the Constitution is on the rocks and is being ignored, and government leaders are piling foolish error on top of foolish error in an attempt to fix things---when the saints are expressing discouragement about this country and a sense of loss and suffering abounds, and they’re looking for these kinds of answers, then that’s the time to publish. As I mentioned in an early message a few months back, that's why the family decided to go ahead and print the book last year, we thought we were at the opening stages of a very, very dark time. We hope our timing is close enough to be effective, helpful, and most importantly, hopeful for those who read it, and it doesn’t fall on deaf ears as dad had worried. Thanks, --Paul

Thanks for the book, didn't fall on deaf ears here.

[HeirofNumenor]

Thank you Paul...good to "see" you again :-H

[John Adams]

Thanks Paul for sharing.

A separate question I have in relation to Darren's thread - do you have any recollection of your dad speaking of Bruce Wydner's research? As has been mentioned before, Bruce has some form of "autism" so his writings are often difficult to follow, but the "principles" behind his research are very much in line with what Cleon has written in many of his books (specifically "The Majesty of God's Law") and Bruce talks of Cleon very highly.

A friend,

John

[Rosabella]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this.

Brother Skousen was never asked to write Cleansing, he wrote it of his own accord, in answer to his own curiosity what the Lord, the scriptures and the various prophets had all said on the subject. He never circulated the text among the Brethren, nor did any of them ask to see what he was writing.
When Brother Skousen completed the text, he had already been in the middle of doing a series of talks on what to expect in the next 25 years. Brother Nibley had completed his "Approaching Zion" work. And there was a growing interest or concern in some circles anticipating the upcoming Y2K "turn of the calendar" to 2000---some worried about the opening of the Seventh Seal.

Word also began to go around that some pockets of saints were attempting to instigate forms of the United Order among their own select numbers in anticipation of cataclysmic last days events. These groups apparently flopped (as we'd expect them to without the Lord's hand in it), and a general sense was rumored around that some groups were getting out in front of the Brethren on organizational ideas founded on their mutual memberships in the Church.

Brother Skousen viewed these events as good indicators that the saints were not ready for the level of spiritual preparation required to adopt the Lord’s plans, and wondered if his book might contribute to some of the foolish activities that were being instigated. He was always a strong advocate of following the Brethren, and didn't want to encourage anything but that.

He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."
However, some of the same material was included and fleshed out in "The Majesty of God's Law" that was published in 1996. Those who have both books will see a few similarities.

As dad told us, me in particular, wait to print Cleansing when the Constitution is on the rocks and is being ignored, and government leaders are piling foolish error on top of foolish error in an attempt to fix things---when the saints are expressing discouragement about this country and a sense of loss and suffering abounds, and they’re looking for these kinds of answers, then that’s the time to publish. As I mentioned in an early message a few months back, that's why the family decided to go ahead and print the book last year, we thought we were at the opening stages of a very, very dark time. We hope our timing is close enough to be effective, helpful, and most importantly, hopeful for those who read it, and it doesn’t fall on deaf ears as dad had worried. Thanks, --Paul

Thank you for ending the part of this discussion about of our Church Leaders wrongly stifling truth. I have met with our leaders also and there is no ego or control or intimidation that they use to silence people. They may at times (with some writers) disagree with the accuracy of the content and not support their work or say to others that the time is not right yet to publish certain things, but this is done by the Lord's will and not their personal opinions.

It is refreshing to see your perspective and how your father knew himself by the Spirit and logic that a truth could potentially do more harm then good at a given time and that there would be a better time in the future for it when it would be needed.

Thank you for taking the time to share the truth.

[creator]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this... He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."... Thanks, --Paul

Thanks Paul.

Back in 2005 I was going to W. Cleon Skousen's home every week for a class he taught. He told us that he had written a book, and hadn't published it yet... and that he spoke with President Hinckley about it and had been advised not to publish it yet, that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. Maybe I misunderstood exactly what he said, or maybe my memory is fuzzy on it, he for sure said he'd written a book and that it wasn't time to publish it yet, as you have confirmed, and maybe he didn't actually meet with Pres. Hinckley about the book (I got the impression he did) but he for sure mentioned Pres. Hinckley in the context of the unpublished book, and that something Pres. Hinckley said related to why it wasn't time to publish it.

[lundbaek]

There seems to be considerably more awareness now of our "awful situation" than there was in 2005, although the forces fomenting it are more obvious. The Constitution seems to about as far up on the rocks as it was in 2005. From my perspective, the tea parties have brought more into light the "hidden things of darkness".

[HeirofNumenor]

Dr. Skousen did say as you reported Brian, that Pres. Hinckley asked him to hold off on publishing a book...however the individual who told that story most was Glenn Kimber.
Maybe that raises questions.

One thing Paul said was that Dr. Skousen was never told to not publish the Cleansing book...he didn't say anything about any other works.

[Darren]

Thanks Paul for sharing.

A separate question I have in relation to Darren's thread - do you have any recollection of your dad speaking of Bruce Wydner's research? As has been mentioned before, Bruce has some form of "autism" so his writings are often difficult to follow, but the "principles" behind his research are very much in line with what Cleon has written in many of his books (specifically "The Majesty of God's Law") and Bruce talks of Cleon very highly.

A friend,

John

I wonder if Paul will write to this, it may be interesting to know if he was aware of anything.

My guess is that if you took all of the conversations Bruce Wydner had one on one with Cleon Skousen and edited them all together, if that were possible, it would not amount to much more than just a few to a dozen hours, although I don't know that for sure. But to me the effect on Cleon Skousen from Bruce Wydner's words were profound. But Bruce was somewhat hard to nail down, and if you did, you could not wait to get a break. Although I am sure there was a respect between the two of them.

Bruce mentions several times when he did things with Cleon. Their first meeting was at BYU in 1973, in which Bruce said some marvelous things that Cleon was interested in.

Bruce helped, at the request of Cleon, one of Cleon's relatives learn Spanish,from scratch, enough to pass off the second language tests to challenge that requirement at BYU.

Bruce mentions the time he and Cleon sat in President Oaks office at BYU where the conversation between President David O. McKay and Cleon came up, in regard to the comment about BYU "They don't have the vision." as the reason why President McKay made the assignment to Cleon that he did. Bruce said that because of that comment that Elder Oaks was upset and reprimanded Cleon to not say that about BYU, those words from President McKay.

Bruce mentions the time that Cleon had been calling around to find Bruce. And when he did get him, Cleon invited Bruce to his home to share the information from the Icelandic Eddas, that Bruce was knowledgeable upon, that helped Cleon in writing the "The Majesty of God's Law." And it that meeting, after Cleon had received that help from Bruce, Cleon exclaimed, “Oh, boy, this is Strawberries and Cream; you and me, we are going to write, ‘The Fifth Thousand Years.’”

Bruce also mentions how that one time Bruce called to the Skousen home, not long after Cleon had a heart attack, and one of the Children of Cleon told Bruce to leave their father alone, after that heart attack. From what I understand Bruce did not talk to Cleon again from that phone call until that meeting I attended in 2005.

I only witnessed one conversation between Bruce and Cleon, and that took place in late October 2005. John Carpenter, Bruce and myself were together attending the weekly meetings at Cleon's home. Cleon was attending the meeting but was excused part way into the meeting. Cleon left the room and Bruce went out into the basement hallway to talk to Cleon. I had one ear on Glen Kimber, who was teaching, and the other ear on the conversation going outside the meeting room in the hall way. I watched as Bruce went up to Cleon. Cleon paused, a greeting and some friendly gestures were exchanged. Bruce began by mentioning how he had introduced his lawyer Orrin Hatch to Cleon, (Orrin was mentioned earlier in the meeting). To which Cleon responded, "Yea, and we got him elected!" Then Bruce told Cleon that he had finished his part of "The Fifth Thousand Years." To which Cleon responded, "Oh! I want my copy." Bruce and I tried to get Cleon a copy of "The Story of Rights in America" which is Bruce's book for Cleon to help in the production of "The Fifth Thousand Years," but I was unaware that my emailing of that book through a third party ever made it to Cleon before he passed away.

As for Paul Skousen, I would think he would remember Bruce and myself showing up on his doorstep and delivering to him Bruce's book "The Story of Rights in America." Paul Seemed to me to be uninterested, and not very accommodating to our visit at his home. I have always wondered why Paul Skousen received Bruce and I in such a manner, and have wanted to talk to him again to figure out what he was thinking, as we were just trying to give him something that his father wanted, and that we valued so highly. It would be nice if Paul Skousen could let me know.

Anyway, Bruce has always been respectful of Cleon and his family, and highly admired Cleon.

God Bless,
Darren

[larsenb]

. . . . . . I only witnessed one conversation between Bruce and Cleon, and that took place in late October 2005. John Carpenter, Bruce and myself were together attending the weekly meetings at Cleon's home. Cleon was attending the meeting but was excused part way into the meeting. Cleon left the room and Bruce went out into the basement hallway to talk to Cleon. I had one ear on Glen Kimber, who was teaching, and the other ear on the conversation going outside the meeting room in the hall way. I watched as Bruce went up to Cleon. Cleon paused, a greeting and some friendly gestures were exchanged. Bruce began by mentioning how he had introduced his lawyer Orrin Hatch to Cleon, (Orrin was mentioned earlier in the meeting). To which Cleon responded, "Yea, and we got him elected!" Then Bruce told Cleon that he had finished his part of "The Fifth Thousand Years." To which Cleon responded, "Oh! I want my copy." Bruce and I tried to get Cleon a copy of "The Story of Rights in America" which is Bruce's book for Cleon to help in the production of "The Fifth Thousand Years," but I was unaware that my emailing of that book through a third party ever made it to Cleon before he passed away.

As for Paul Skousen, I would think he would remember Bruce and myself showing up on his doorstep and delivering to him Bruce's book "The Story of Rights in America." Paul Seemed to me to be uninterested, and not very accommodating to our visit at his home. I have always wondered why Paul Skousen received Bruce and I in such a manner, and have wanted to talk to him again to figure out what he was thinking, as we were just trying to give him something that his father wanted, and that we valued so highly. It would be nice if Paul Skousen could let me know.

Anyway, Bruce has always been respectful of Cleon and his family, and highly admired Cleon.

Darren, is Bruce's book, "The Story of Rights in America" available to the public, maybe via a link you've provided before, or is it formally published?


I was actually at that particular meeting. I wished I had been aware that Bruce was there as well. It would be nice to be able to put the name with a face. You mentioned at a later meeting after Cleon's death that you were going to try to have Bruce come and present, but I guess were not able to confince him to do so. Does he ever give presentations?

[Darren]

I was actually at that particular meeting. I wished I had been aware that Bruce was there as well. It would be nice to be able to put the name with a face. You mentioned at a later meeting after Cleon's death that you were going to try to have Bruce come and present, but I guess were not able to confince him to do so. Does he ever give presentations?

The book is at http://s98822910.onlinehome.us/thousand ... merica.pdf

Bruce lives in Provo. I think he would like to have an opportunity to speak. The last time he did so was last May at Allen's house in Eagle Mountain. And I thought that meeting was a success. Brian recorded it and an audio transcript is somewhere on this site.

If you have something in mind, for a meeting for Bruce to give his information, let me know and I'll ask him to get in touch with you.

Darren

[bobhenstra]

Brad, I was at that meeting in Allen's house, why didn't you introduce yourself? Bruce was the older gentleman who give the presentation with Darren. Darren, when you turned the meeting over to Bruce you moved to the back of the room and sit down, I was sitting at your right!

Darren, please update us on the language program you and Bruce talked about at that meeting. Is it going anywhere?

Bob

[larsenb]

Brad, I was at that meeting in Allen's house, why didn't you introduce yourself? Bruce was the older gentleman who give the presentation with Darren. Darren, when you turned the meeting over to Bruce you moved to the back of the room and sit down, I was sitting at your right!

Darren, please update us on the language program you and Bruce talked about at that meeting. Is it going anywhere?

Bob

Bob, I was talking about the meeting Darren mentioned held in Oct. of 2005 in the basement of Cleon Skousnen's house when Glenn Kimber came and spoke.


I wish I had known about the meeting held at Allen's house.

Darren, if you're reading this, I arranged or helped arrange a few meetings after we left Cleon's house. You came to a couple or more of the meetings Brian had set up and arranged for at SLCC. I held one or two at my house, and arrange one where Dr. Jone's presented, but haven't done that type of thing for a while.

What I would need to do is spend more time with your posts and writings and Bruce's writings to enbable me to get both my understanding and enthusiasm up to speed before undertaking what you suggest.

But if Bruce or you were to present again (I know you had a gathering sometime w/in last year when you made a trip to SL), I would like to be in attandance.

[Darren]

Brad, I was at that meeting in Allen's house, why didn't you introduce yourself? Bruce was the older gentleman who give the presentation with Darren. Darren, when you turned the meeting over to Bruce you moved to the back of the room and sit down, I was sitting at your right!

Darren, please update us on the language program you and Bruce talked about at that meeting. Is it going anywhere?

Bob

Bob, I was talking about the meeting Darren mentioned held in Oct. of 2005 in the basement of Cleon Skousnen's house when Glenn Kimber came and spoke.


I wish I had known about the meeting held at Allen's house.

Darren, if you're reading this, I arranged or helped arrange a few meetings after we left Cleon's house. You came to a couple or more of the meetings Brian had set up and arranged for at SLCC. I held one or two at my house, and arrange one where Dr. Jone's presented, but haven't done that type of thing for a while.

What I would need to do is spend more time with your posts and writings and Bruce's writings to enbable me to get both my understanding and enthusiasm up to speed before undertaking what you suggest.

But if Bruce or you were to present again (I know you had a gathering sometime w/in last year when you made a trip to SL), I would like to be in attandance.

Take a look at this topic. The current thing Bruce Wydner and I are doing.
http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 14&t=16949

Bruce has moved to Provo, I still live in Missouri. I don't plan to come there any time soon, but I could ask Bruce to address a group.

Darren

[John Adams]

I know Bruce is always up for sharing with anyone who will listen. Allen still is in regular contact with him, so if there was interest I know we could set up another time/place for Bruce to do his presentation.

And even if there isn't an audience to set up a formal presentation, Bruce is always willing to talk with people one on one as well. Over time it sometimes is hard to absorb all the information he has to share, but if you're ever in the right frame of mind he is a fascinating person to talk to.

[bobhenstra]

I talked to Bruce for about a half hour before the meeting at Allen's house, I could tell right away I was out of his league. I'm terribly interested in his language ideas, don't really know why, I'm an old man won't be around much longer.

Darren indicated he learned Spanish in a very short time using Bruce's methods. I spoke Spanish in Central America. Learning Spanish was the hardest thing I've ever done. I struggled mightily with memorizing the lessons in Spanish until a companion showed me his flip chart, all the figurines we were using with a flannel board were glued on heavy paper pages and in a hard folder. I immediately discovered a way to give lessons and learn Spanish at the same time, and it was quite easy!

I simply made very light copies of the Spanish lesson book pages, glued them to the back of the pages I glued the figurines on. I would simply hold my flip chart and read the questions looking down at the flip chart as I changed the pages. What I had failed to accomplish with hard work in three months, I accomplished in just a few weeks with my special flip chart. My companions helped correct my pronunciation, I lightly penciled in the phonetic equivalents to difficult words, and learned Spanish. I even had the answers to arguements penciled in those pages. Later on I had companions who struggled, I helped them learn the same way. You say the same thing over and over again, it finally sinks in, I don't care what the language is.

I'm seriously right brained, the reason why I struggled so much in college, there I didn't have the time to memorize answers, I couldn't keep up. So I dropped out and did things my way.

Worked for me!

Bob

[larsenb]

I know Bruce is always up for sharing with anyone who will listen. Allen still is in regular contact with him, so if there was interest I know we could set up another time/place for Bruce to do his presentation.

And even if there isn't an audience to set up a formal presentation, Bruce is always willing to talk with people one on one as well. Over time it sometimes is hard to absorb all the information he has to share, but if you're ever in the right frame of mind he is a fascinating person to talk to.

Count me in. I would also like to hear more about his methods of learning languages.