Was Cleon Skousen Advised Not to Publish His Final Book?

[bobhenstra]

It really is amusing, leaders don't like questions they can't answer. The simple response from me is "get the answer!" they reply "There just isn't enough time--. So please, they plead, or order, don't spread these things around!" We just don't have the "time" to study the revealed scripture,--find those answers!”

There is so much that is not understood in what we now have, and why? As a people, we won't study, search out those secrets in what's presently available-- it's much easier to criticize those who do.

Boy, I'd like to get my hands on that other two thirds of the Book of Mormon, it'd be my last wish in mortality, I'd happily disappear to study. However, I can imagine what my leaders would say----- instead of rejoicing as I will, they'll respond with; Oh, oh, watch out, Henstra's got more ammo!

Here's to the "two thirds!" Wish there were a ward and stake set up for just we searchers! Love those “knowledge” quotes above!

Bob

[Chip]

Bob,

I'd like to read your book, as I'm sure others here would. Any chance of you making it available to us?

I don't know what all happened with the rukus over your book, but I think you should have just done what you felt inspired to do, and not sought permission from your local leaders. I think it's outside their scope of stewardship. Having involved them, though (or maybe they having involved themselves), things became limitlessly complicated and a wide door was opened to human frailties. This is like the government supposing it's their job to fix the economy (neverminding their complicity in the mess, in that case).

[bobhenstra]

Chip, Yeh, that's what I should have done, but I didn't, spilt milk!

I'm thinking/working on a new disclaimer, one that chides members with a third grade level of scriptural education. But I'm told I must have a proper disclaimer, so I suppose my leaders will have to see it before I can hand out more copies. Please, don't get me wrong, I love my leaders, they're great people, they just don't know much.

Because the book is more like a thesis, I doubt now that I'll do anything more then put it up on a site and refer people to the site. My friend who helped me with that before has gone to the great scriptural university in the sky, so I'm gonna need some help.

As soon as I finish the "disclaimer" I'll let you know.

Bob

[gruden]

Money is a negative word, with an evil purpose.

The highest value on this planet is honesty.

Find me a unit based on honesty, of which I know of at least two that are used more today than money is to trade value for value.

United Orders operated by trust, we will once again operate by the contracts of honesty, that the Saxons operated by for more than 800 years. And continue to use in the Stock and Bond Market.

God Bless,
Darren

A long time ago I had a dream (I know: uh oh) that hinted to a very different type of 'currency' used in celestial spheres. It is based on faith, works, obedience, and sacrifice. Maybe treasure is a better word (or maybe we have no good word for it) but it can be opportioned out to bring up other people below them.

All of Satan's ideas and structures are based upon corruption of heavenly laws and practices. Money is a big one. In heaven, the rich are those who have built up great treasure in the ways I stated above, and it's often used for the advancement for those below them. On earth, money exalts the basest amongst us, and is used to oppress and keep down those below them. Gifts of inestimable worth are nonetheless monetized in our society by those least able to appreciate them.

What's wrong with exchanging money for goods? Many things. One is the inequity of one man's labor being valued above another. Another is it allows control of certain people over the earth's resources, which belong to all. It teaches people to be selfish instead of giving, the exact opposite of what 'currency/treasure' does in heaven. That's what's wrong with money.

[gruden]

The fact is that we LDS are not ready for real honest truths, our thinking has been influenced by the creeds of men. There are plenty of outlets for the truth available on the internet for those seeking by the light of the Holy Ghost. I have spent many years looking for these truths, and to my dismay I have also learned that most LDS are mostly offended by the truths that I have found.

Isn't it ironic that the people who believe the weirdest things (golden plates, temples with strange rites, seer stones, etc.) can't embrace new things? We have such calcified minds and spirits. Nevertheless, don't underestimate the damage pollution (of all kinds) can do.

Truth #1 – Plato, Aristotle, Socrates worked for Satan and helped develop the Synhedrion leadership of Satan’s Chruch.
Truth #2 – The Synhedrion have always worked for Satan. And they promote a religion of Satan that is followed in Jerusalem to this day. The Synhedrion wrote the Koran to promote another version of that false religion. The Synhedrion are the authors of the Catholic Religion. The Synhedrion are trying to convert all religions to the false religion, even the LDS religion. They are attacking the US Constitution and the institutions of Law. They want all religions to be Orthodox.

Do you have more info on this Synhedrion? I must admit, I'm pretty light on Plato & Co., but that sounds like a good thing.

It's interesting to consider how the Jewish culture during Jesus' time was overcome by this orthodoxy pushed by the Pharisees. I have to agree we're being pushed in the same direction today, where culture patterns are pushed as legitimate and moral forms of behavior (CTR rings, anyone?).

I've stated on other threads here that I believe many wards have people placed in them to subvert the organization. If they can't go from the top-down, they'll destroy it from the bottom-up.

Truth #7 – The reason the preacher scene was taken out of the temple endowment was that some of the “Aristotelian educated” LDS and many of the rulers of the world in general had begun to take offense with that dialogue. That the foundation of Orthodoxy, the political structure of the world, is of Satan.

This is interesting - I always wondered about that. Do you have any more specifics about that?

Truth #9 – The membership of the LDS Church, like all flesh, labor under Gross Darkness, having ears hear not, having eyes see not.

I think most on this board understand this! We're getting somewhere...

With all of these missing truths and perhaps 1,000s of others hiding by lies perpetuated by Satan, is it any wonder that the LDS Leadership would try to hold onto the truths that they can, that keep the temples of God in operation, rather than to focus on the truths that oppose the foundations of society built on the Church of the Devil and risk loosing the temples???

And people on this board wonder why church leaders don't say things like ETB used to say. How many ways can this be said?

Thanks, Darren.

[gruden]

Bob,

I'd like to buy your book, too.

[obamohno]

bob, i am outside your stake so can i get a copy?

I want one too, thanks

[ithink]

bob, i am outside your stake so can i get a copy?

I want one too, thanks

ditto, and good comments Bob.

[ithink]

It really is amusing, leaders don't like questions they can't answer. The simple response from me is "get the answer!" they reply "There just isn't enough time--. So please, they plead, or order, don't spread these things around!" We just don't have the "time" to study the revealed scripture,--find those answers!”

There is so much that is not understood in what we now have, and why? As a people, we won't study, search out those secrets in what's presently available-- it's much easier to criticize those who do.

Boy, I'd like to get my hands on that other two thirds of the Book of Mormon, it'd be my last wish in mortality, I'd happily disappear to study. However, I can imagine what my leaders would say----- instead of rejoicing as I will, they'll respond with; Oh, oh, watch out, Henstra's got more ammo!

Here's to the "two thirds!" Wish there were a ward and stake set up for just we searchers! Love those “knowledge” quotes above!

Bob

But the irony, in my humble opinion, is that we will not get the other 2/3 until we have been responsible with the first 1/3, and "the other revelations" as laid out in section 84. Which comes first? The chicken (2/3) or the egg (1/3)?

Personally, I'd love to get on with the show. As Nibley says, "if undue haste is unacceptable, then delay is inexcusable".

[jeremy.ashton]

What's wrong with exchanging money for goods? Many things. One is the inequity of one man's labor being valued above another. Another is it allows control of certain people over the earth's resources, which belong to all. It teaches people to be selfish instead of giving, the exact opposite of what 'currency/treasure' does in heaven. That's what's wrong with money.

I'm sorry but I just don't follow this line of reasoning.
#1 - "One is the inequity of one man's labor being valued above another".
Are you saying that it is wrong for me to value the production of a farmer over that of a shoe shiner? Differences in prices of labor are just signals of individual preferences.

#2 - "Another is it allows control of certain people over the earth's resources, which belong to all." Didn't God make us stewards over temporal blessings. In the parable of the talents, the servants were specifically given differening amounts of coins and were blessed for their stewardship over them. I realize that parables have many different dimensions but one of them appears to be that of stewardship over what God has given to us temporally.

[AussieOi]

But I'm told I must have a proper disclaimer, so I suppose my leaders will have to see it before I can hand out more copies.

oh i'm sorry, i've come in late here. Are you living in North Korea Bob?

For a minute there I thought you were a free man living in a free country free of religious persecution?

isn't there something in your constitution or bill of rights about that?

wasnt there something i read about the pilgrims on that?

yeah, right.

oh, hang on. i understand. yes, yes the CHURCH itself is publishing your work and it is going to be speaking on behalf of the church, well yes i understand now why you need to submit it to reviewers.

sorry, wake up and grow some nads brother.

if you think you are right, publish it.

if its good enough for deseret to sell harry potter and twilight stuff on their catalogue, if its good enough for Bruce R McConchie to print what he did in half his books no?

call it a discussion paper if you must.

[gruden]

What's wrong with exchanging money for goods? Many things. One is the inequity of one man's labor being valued above another. Another is it allows control of certain people over the earth's resources, which belong to all. It teaches people to be selfish instead of giving, the exact opposite of what 'currency/treasure' does in heaven. That's what's wrong with money.

I'm sorry but I just don't follow this line of reasoning.
#1 - "One is the inequity of one man's labor being valued above another".
Are you saying that it is wrong for me to value the production of a farmer over that of a shoe shiner? Differences in prices of labor are just signals of individual preferences.

Look at the larger picture. Teachers get paid beans and most family farmers struggle to make a living, while non-productive workers like actors, sports stars, etc. get paid disproportionately sum for their meager output and contribution to the well-being of society.

The celestial law, the law of consecration, equalizes everything, allowing everyone to share equally according to his/her needs. Everyone can engage in activities that make them happy and fulfilled, while being able to support themselves and their families and being equal before God. We are all unique creatures, but the scriptures teach us we are all equal before God. The BoM repeatedly warns us that the inequality of wealth distribution leads to the downfall of society. This is what destroyed the Nephite society that had been led by God the Father himself.

#2 - "Another is it allows control of certain people over the earth's resources, which belong to all." Didn't God make us stewards over temporal blessings. In the parable of the talents, the servants were specifically given differening amounts of coins and were blessed for their stewardship over them. I realize that parables have many different dimensions but one of them appears to be that of stewardship over what God has given to us temporally.

That parable was spiritual.

Look what's happening in the world right now: the IMF pushes loans on developing countries, and in return (often after they default) turns their resources (land, water, timber, etc.) over to private corporations. The land was meant to be for the common good of the people living there, not the means of suppression. It's one thing to have a plot of land for your family to cultivate, another to claim a resource like water that belongs to all in the area for yourself and profit at others' expense.

Come out of Babylon. Prepare yourself for a higher spiritual law. We've become so tainted by these Luciferian systems we have a hard time seeing them for what they are.

[Mahonri]

The BoM repeatedly warns us that the inequality of wealth distribution leads to the downfall of society. This is what destroyed the Nephite society that had been led by God the Father himself.

Actually it was secret combination's, re read Ether 8 and Helaman 2 again.

Also, I would read this great talk on the united order by President Benson. It helps to correct many misconceptions and Satanic lies regarding the united order/law of consecration.

http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.p ... 2&x=26&y=7

Please don't try and correct me until you have read the scriptures again and the talk in its entirety.

[bobhenstra]

Aussie, I have great respect for my Church leaders, even though I believe them to be wrong in their decisions concerning my book, these people are great organizers, and just for those preparation skills, if that were all, I’d still love them enough to have patience with them, hoping at sometime in the near future they’ll begin to see past their present Sunday School doctrine mentality, learn to search, study, the truths, the words of the Lord through his Prophets teach us. In my old age I’ve learned to look past my own needs and look out for others. Yes, I could use the money, who can’t use money? But not at the expense of making enemies of my friends. Helping them learn is my object. I simply need more patience.

There are people in this world I’d love to be able to help, I cannot, circumstance doesn’t allow it. Once in Central America I was shown a whole warehouse filled with hundreds of bags of old hard flour, on each bag was printed the words “Donated by the People of the United States of America. The flour had sit in the warehouse for several years, it was all as hard as a rock, the local officials refusing to release it to the poor in their village because they themselves couldn’t make money from distributing the flour. Rats were running all over the bags, it made me ill.

The poor people the flour was meant for were trapping and eating the rats, rats fed on American flour, it would seem one way or another, the poor people found a way to benefit from my country’s gift.

One way or another, I hope to teach my friends and neighbors, my leaders who don’t have the time to study, the importance of understanding the scripture! They say the words now, but they enjoy picking and choosing their prophets, rejecting out of hand those prophetic statements they choose not to believe and hanging on to false or incomplete understandings. There was a time in my life when I did just that, then I met some good friends who taught me to “see” and to “hear” with the Spirit, I hope to accomplish the same with my friends. Hopefully before the rats get here, but we’ll see!

Patience is the word!

Bob

[kathyn]

bobhenstra, can you give us a bit of a hint about the contents of your book? I for one, would probably like it. Just from reading your various posts, I can tell you are wise.

[AussieOi]

Aussie, I have great respect for my Church leaders,

are you talking he local guy who is currently bishop or stake president, or the leadres of the church. big difference.

Patience is the word!

you might be waiting a while

[bobhenstra]

Aussie, I'm speaking of both my local and higher leaders. And yes, sometimes a lot of patience is required!

Bob

[creator]

I heard a faith-building rumor a few months ago that Cleon Skousen wrote a book in the years just before he died which describe what members of the church need to do to save the constitution and liberty, and supposedly President Hinckley counseled him to hold off publishing the book because members of the church are not yet ready for this call to repentance.

This is true. Back in 2005 I was going to W. Cleon Skousen's home every week for a class he taught. He told us that he had written a book and that he spoke with President Hinckley about it and had been advised not to publish it yet, that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. I don't recall if he told us what the book is about though, but yes, the rest is definitely true.

So... what do you all think? Is this "final book" The Cleansing of America? (Maybe Paul Skousen will make another apparition to respond ? ) My guess it that this is the book.

[HeirofNumenor]

I heard a faith-building rumor a few months ago that Cleon Skousen wrote a book in the years just before he died which describe what members of the church need to do to save the constitution and liberty, and supposedly President Hinckley counseled him to hold off publishing the book because members of the church are not yet ready for this call to repentance.

This is true. Back in 2005 I was going to W. Cleon Skousen's home every week for a class he taught. He told us that he had written a book and that he spoke with President Hinckley about it and had been advised not to publish it yet, that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. I don't recall if he told us what the book is about though, but yes, the rest is definitely true.

So... what do you all think? Is this "final book" The Cleansing of America? (Maybe Paul Skousen will make another apparition to respond ? ) My guess it that this is the book.

My understanding of it - mainly from Dr. Skousen's son-in-law Glenn Kimber (who mentioned this often) was that Pres. Hinckley felt like the members of the Church couldn't handle the truths and hard-to-miss realization that America is about to be cleansed for iniquity - with the destructions coming upon the world in short order; that nearly everything about our society is immoral, and that a vast number of members are too materialistic (and terrestrial - not celestial); and that in all likelihood will be reduced to an 1850 standard of living (or earlier) - no more big houses, tanning beds, hot tubs, fancy cars, HDTV, ipods, little black dresses, boats, vacations, etc...

I talked to Paul Skousen a year or so ago and he hinted then about the "Cleansing of America" coming out soon. Reading the forward, the Skousen family made reference that the time wasn't right when Dr. Skousen wrote it, but that time has come. My guess this is the book, or the first portion. It appears to be seriously toned down compared to what Dr. Skousen warned wrote/talked/warned about previously. It was hinted to me (from another source) that there might be as many as 4 volumes of this book.

As for the fear the saints can't handle it? I doubt many even know it exists - even though it is prominently displayed at Deseret Book. If they ever do read it, it is likely regarded as an interesting theory of what may happen in the far off future...if God would ever even let it happen at all...

[lundbaek]

Before "The Cleansing of America" was published, one of Dr. Skousen's sons told me enough about the decision to finally publish it that I believe this is the book he was requested to hold back. I assume President Hinkley read the book before asking that it not be published at that time. I find it sad that the Prophet would determine that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. It is my understanding that "Many Are Called But Few Are Chosen" was muzzled at the request of some Church authority. And "The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson" was also muzzled from what I understand. Why now? Why were these books acceptable at one time but no longer?

[HeirofNumenor]

Why now? Why were these books acceptable at one time but no longer?

Probably because more and more saints couldn't handle the truth? Perhaps it would drive too many away prematurely? remember, the angels are forbidden from ripping out the tares until both the Tares and the Wheat are fully mature and ripe.

D&C 86: 5-7
5 Behold, verily I say unto you, the angels are crying unto the Lord day and night, who are ready and waiting to be sent forth to reap down the fields;

6 But the Lord saith unto them, pluck not up the tares while the blade is yet tender (for verily your faith is weak), lest you destroy the wheat also.

7 Therefore, let the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest is fully ripe; then ye shall first gather out the wheat from among the tares, and after the gathering of the wheat, behold and lo, the tares are bound in bundles, and the field remaineth to be burned.

[Original_Intent]

Why now? Why were these books acceptable at one time but no longer?

Probably because more and more saints couldn't handle the truth? Perhaps it would drive too many away prematurely? remember, the angels are forbidden from ripping out the tares until both the Tares and the Wheat are fully mature and ripe.

D&C 86: 5-7
5 Behold, verily I say unto you, the angels are crying unto the Lord day and night, who are ready and waiting to be sent forth to reap down the fields;

6 But the Lord saith unto them, pluck not up the tares while the blade is yet tender (for verily your faith is weak), lest you destroy the wheat also.

7 Therefore, let the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest is fully ripe; then ye shall first gather out the wheat from among the tares, and after the gathering of the wheat, behold and lo, the tares are bound in bundles, and the field remaineth to be burned.

While I agree with you in general, the overall implication is that the wheat is "unmaturing" (real word?) while the tares are maturing. And again, I am not saying I am in disagreement...could it be that the trials ahead are what is going to "fertilize" the wheat and "shorten the days" until they are ready for the harvest?

[creator]

While I agree with you in general, the overall implication is that the wheat is "unmaturing" (real word?) while the tares are maturing. And again, I am not saying I am in disagreement...could it be that the trials ahead are what is going to "fertilize" the wheat and "shorten the days" until they are ready for the harvest?

Among the members of the Church there are both wheat and tares (both "maturing" together, the wheat in righteousness, the tares in wickedness)... until the harvest is over and it's time to burn the tares from the Church and the rest of America, then the world. (the cleansing of America)

[creator]

Before "The Cleansing of America" was published, one of Dr. Skousen's sons told me enough about the decision to finally publish it that I believe this is the book he was requested to hold back. I assume President Hinkley read the book before asking that it not be published at that time. I find it sad that the Prophet would determine that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. It is my understanding that "Many Are Called But Few Are Chosen" was muzzled at the request of some Church authority. And "The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson" was also muzzled from what I understand. Why now? Why were these books acceptable at one time but no longer?

And yet isn't it exciting that now all of those books are being printed! (Skousen's "Cleansing of America" as well as multiple books by Ezra Taft Benson and H. Verlan Andersen all being republished) :ymparty:

[HeirofNumenor]

Among the members of the Church there are both wheat and tares (both "maturing" together, the wheat in righteousness, the tares in wickedness)... until the harvest is over and it's time to burn the tares from the Church and the rest of America, then the world. (the cleansing of America)

Plus, many of the seedlings are wavering and can't decide if hey really want to be Wheat, or if the Tares are having more fun )