Was Cleon Skousen Advised Not to Publish His Final Book?

[bobhenstra]

Allen, if you do this, don't make Bruce's presentation to long, he's not up to lecturing for a couple of hours. And, if he had something to sit on while teaching and answering questions, it would help him considerably.-- I'll be there!

If I heard right at the last meeting, Bruce is using the spoken word phonetically to translate languages. If I remember right, the way the linguists cracked the language barrier with the ancient Mayan and Olmec languages was to learn to read them like Chinese was written.

Of course the 6 languages are different, 6 written languages in Meso America, and them then translated to English. However, I'm told only 40 percent of each of the written languages can be interpreted to a semi understandable form.

Brad, would you ask Ralph about that?

I would sure like to get my hands on the sealed two thirds portion of the Book of Mormon, translated of course!

Bob

[Darren]

Allen, if you do this, don't make Bruce's presentation to long, he's not up to lecturing for a couple of hours. And, if he had something to sit on while teaching and answering questions, it would help him considerably.-- I'll be there!

If I heard right at the last meeting, Bruce is using the spoken word phonetically to translate languages. If I remember right, the way the linguists cracked the language barrier with the ancient Mayan and Olmec languages was to learn to read them like Chinese was written.

Of course the 6 languages are different, 6 written languages in Meso America, and them then translated to English. However, I'm told only 40 percent of each of the written languages can be interpreted to a semi understandable form.

Brad, would you ask Ralph about that?

I would sure like to get my hands on the sealed two thirds portion of the Book of Mormon, translated of course!

Bob

I just talked to Bruce and he is up to doing a meeting, perhaps at Allen's home again or at John's in Herriman would be good too if he would do that, I know Eagle Mountain is a bit far for some folks up in SLC.

As far as the language program, I went through that and once you get the just of it, it is so easy to see meaning in the words of every language. Bruce taught me how to pronounce Spanish, which took most of the time. Then he showed me how computers take words, parses them in and out of their inflected forms, and how to see the root words as "pictures," as the Chinese writing system does that. To me every written language could be learned very quickly, by this method of looking for the pictures in the words and phrases. There is more to it than that, but that covers about the 80% of the format of any language. Then Bruce goes into the prepositions, pronouns and conjunctions, which makes sense, but at first it took me a while to catch on.

But more important than that is the plan he has formulated to take something so valuable and produce it in an environment of trust and respect.

If the members of the Church could just see how their lost tribes of Israel ancestors worked together, before the Babylonian controls were perpetuated upon them, then we could forgo the cleansing, and have a system based on these proven methods rather than the back-stabbing money grubbing existence we have in abundance at this time.

Lets get a meeting together soon.

God Bless,
Darren

[John Locke]

so these meetings you guys are talking about are they open to anyone or by invitation only?

[StephSeeks]

maybe gbh was just being kind and it was a dud book?

Not ready? Gee- how about we get a book on it or receive some instruction from the pulpit and we might even get ready!

Are we ready for the sabbath? Tithing? (insert 5000 other commandments we aren't keeping) hasn't stopped a thousand books a year by lds authors

Nothing like preserving the thing eh?

Nothing like encouraging some members

Disappointing- must be more to it. Church doesn't go for censorship.... Much

Probably referring to sales/ readership viability

"Yet". Maybe when liberty is fully gone Deseret will publish it alongside harry potter and twilight

Hello, Aussie... I am a newcomer to this forum and perhaps lack credibility amongst this group as there are many (including yourself) with over 1000 posts throughout this forum that I'm sure have grown to 'know' one another, in a sense. I do not wish to be contentious in this post, however I do wish to clarify a statement I've read of yours as I was combing though posts and becoming familiar with this particular forum.

I know the Skousen/Kimber family well and can assure you that it would have been an easy task for W. Cleon Skousen to publish his book before his death. The words and advice he received from Gordon B. Hinckley, along with his personal promptings from the Spirit are what caused him to hold off on publishing the book until 'the spirit guides for it to be published in the future'. As I'm sure you are aware, since the post you submitted, the book has been published and is available for purchase.

I have to respectfully comment on your statement about the church not "[going] for censorship...much." I do not believe the church generally does this either. Although I feel we agree on this matter to some degree, I also believe your decision to place this comment the way you did was incongruous in conjunction with W. Cleon Skousen's book not being published... even suggesting that "maybe gbh was just being kind and it was a dud book?" I feel you may have spoken too candidly and without intent... perhaps missing the spirit of the advice given to Brother Skousen and even the decision he made to postpone the publication of his book.

I know personally it is true that in some instances the First Presidency will advise certain authors against publishing their books. In more than one situation I have known it to be for reasons that we, members of the church, need to seek out these mysteries ourselves. When too many things are given without the application of the individual, they will generally deprive the individual of the personal enlightenment which grows from within the pure knowledge of the Holy Ghost. I am not suggesting you do not believe this to be true. Perhaps you do not, but my intent is to share what insight I do have that may be a sense of help for another.

I am also not proposing reading good books to help us gain knowledge is to our complete disadvantage. We are even counseled to read those things that help us personally grow. What to read is an individual matter and what works for one may not be precisely what is needed for another. Please do not suppose I write this to argue with you... and if I have misinterpreted anything from your post I would urge you to forgive me. As I stated earlier in this post, my purpose is not to be contentious.

Be well, my friend.

[HeirofNumenor]

Well said.

[JohnnyL]

how to see the root words as "pictures," as the Chinese writing system does that. To me every written language could be learned very quickly, by this method of looking for the pictures in the words and phrases. There is more to it than that, but that covers about the 80% of the format of any language. Then Bruce goes into the prepositions, pronouns and conjunctions, which makes sense, but at first it took me a while to catch on.

I'm not following... "looking for the pictures"? Could you expand on this?

[LukeAir2008]

[LDSguy]

I don't know if this was written in here yet and I know that this thread has seemingly died but for anybody else who may come along in the future:

The preface of the first edition says:

"In 1994, he compiled his research as a book that he published privately for this family. He told them he didn't feel comfortable going public with it until "the time was right."

"When the family asked when the "right time" would be, he said, "You will know. It will be a dark time when the Constitution is being abandoned, when economic turmoil boils on every level of society and government. It will be a time when people give up hope. the nation will be in the grip of a dark collapse. The people will begin to panic and wonder and start making foolish mistakes. They will abandon correct principles for patchwork solutions that only make things worse. You'll know it when you see it. That's the time that this book should be published."

Speculation aside, that is what was published with the book.

[Apex66]

This should be available mid August

Enjoy and can’t wait to get my copy

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[The Airbender]

I heard a faith-building rumor...

It has been made clear that some of the brethren insist that some things remain secret because they believe if they were made known these things would destroy the faith of the members. Well I'm a member, and it doesn't help my faith or the faith of my wife and kids, and others near me, when we hear of yet another pre-emptive book burning of this "secret book of knowledge" on my behalf. I can tell you that this in no way helps my faith, and in fact, it damages it.

I would like to say that if there is anyone lurking here who has connections or is in the leadership, I would kindly ask you to let us decide what is and is not good for us. Please stop burning our books before they're printed. Stop burning them after. Sure there are no more actual bonfires, but what has been done in the past is no less effective. Brethren, we are not babies. In fact, I ever met any "babies" that cannot contain the information I give them -- the very information you say must be kept secret.

Additionally, I would like to know how leadership who don't like certain things preached -- or even privately published -- plan on responding when they are asked if they taught the truths or not. The scriptures are replete with examples of prophets getting the blood off their skirts by sounding the warning bell, but what about those leaders that stuff kleenex up inside the bell?

It's just another sad day for truthers.

But then maybe not. Perhaps I should just sign up for another credit card. I should rejoice in the new "Obama-nation" to the south. I should just get a loan, send my kids to public school and prepare myself mentally for the day my daughter comes home pregnant and my son drunk, start saving money so my kids can go to the some ivy-league school, send my wife out to work so we can afford the latest sneakers for my kids in their new public school environment, and maybe I should just shut up and smile as I commit perjury once again when I sign my income tax statement to pay my unconstitutional taxes to my government sitting in the national legislature, decorated in the Rothschild's star of david and the Owl of Minerva. Maybe -- maybe then I would be able to relate to the messages in the Ensign, because sure as shooting I cannot do so now.

We should be friends you and I.

[mahalanobis]

The fact that this thread is 10 years old, and now resurrected with that image is amazing to me. I was not aware of the lore surrounding the backstory of this book - and even if the lore is all fake, I think $22.95 (as of today) is a small price to pay as a symbolic applause and to support these ideas!

[MikeMaillet]

Thanks to all for this discussion. I was not aware of Jack Monnett and just ordered his book, "Awakening to Our Awful Situation", from Amazon. Used copies go for about $15 CAD.

[NewEliza]

Thanks to all for this discussion. I was not aware of Jack Monnett and just ordered his book, "Awakening to Our Awful Situation", from Amazon. Used copies go for about $15 CAD.

You won’t be disappointed! It’s a favorite here too.

[DesertWonderer2]

Thanks to all for this discussion. I was not aware of Jack Monnett and just ordered his book, "Awakening to Our Awful Situation", from Amazon. Used copies go for about $15 CAD.

Wasn’t this the guy that for a while was suckering people in to coming to his firesides ny claiming his daughter was receiving visions too? Oh boy. Let me think...what was it that WC Fields one said?

[DesertWonderer2]

Thanks to all for this discussion. I was not aware of Jack Monnett and just ordered his book, "Awakening to Our Awful Situation", from Amazon. Used copies go for about $15 CAD.

Wasn’t this the guy that for a while was suckering people in to coming to his firesides ny claiming his daughter was receiving visions too? Oh boy. Let me think...what was it that WC Fields once said?

[Teancum]

Thanks to all for this discussion. I was not aware of Jack Monnett and just ordered his book, "Awakening to Our Awful Situation", from Amazon. Used copies go for about $15 CAD.

Wasn’t this the guy that for a while was suckering people in to coming to his firesides ny claiming his daughter was receiving visions too? Oh boy. Let me think...what was it that WC Fields once said?

I was not aware of any such allegations. As far as I know, he was associated (loosely / tightly?) with prof. Steven Jones of the truth for 911 movement, and other freedom supporting people / movements.

As for someone receiving visions, he had adamantly corrected anyone mistakenly pronouncing his name the same as Sarah Manet's.

Do you have evidence of your accusation?

[Eulate]

Even if not related I think it's good to share this:

Chico Xavier, Baba Vanga & Nostradamus foresaw the coming of aliens on July 20th 2019. I believe they are devilish prophets with true prophecies inspired by Satan so that people reject Jesus Christ. These devilish prophets never said that the aliens are really fallen angels. This is part of the coming great delusion.

[ori]

Even if not related I think it's good to share this:

Chico Xavier, Baba Vanga & Nostradamus foresaw the coming of aliens on July 20th 2019. I believe they are devilish prophets with true prophecies inspired by Satan so that people reject Jesus Christ. These devilish prophets never said that the aliens are really fallen angels. This is part of the coming great delusion.

This is pretty interesting. Thanks for the info. I will watch closely. Let’s see what happens on July 20th. I won’t be holding my breath, but I am curious about this....

[EmmaLee]

Thanks to all for this discussion. I was not aware of Jack Monnett and just ordered his book, "Awakening to Our Awful Situation", from Amazon. Used copies go for about $15 CAD.

Wasn’t this the guy that for a while was suckering people in to coming to his firesides ny claiming his daughter was receiving visions too? Oh boy. Let me think...what was it that WC Fields one said?

No, you're thinking of Doug Mendenhall and his daughter Denise. They are ardent Snuffer fans/followers, in addition to the rest of their, uh, stuff (and he's still having those firesides - they are not a thing of the past, unfortunately).

Jack Monnett is a good guy - I have a lot of respect for him - he's not one of the weirdos - and his book is well worth reading, IMO.

[MikeMaillet]

I just received my copy of Jack Monnett's book and will be digging into it this weekend.

[Doc]

Any updates on this book? I was hoping to be reading this by now!

[ShockHouse]

Any updates on this book? I was hoping to be reading this by now!

According to Barnes and Noble it comes out on Sept 17th. So just a month to wait.
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/how-to ... 1131043334

[EmmaLee]

Any updates on this book? I was hoping to be reading this by now!

According to Barnes and Noble it comes out on Sept 17th. So just a month to wait.

Constitution Day - I wonder if that was intentional or a fun coincidence?

[cathyk]

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[cathyk]

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