Was Cleon Skousen Advised Not to Publish His Final Book?

[reidbump]

I heard a faith-building rumor a few months ago that Cleon Skousen wrote a book in the years just before he died which describe what members of the church need to do to save the constitution and liberty, and supposedly President Hinckley counseled him to hold off publishing the book because members of the church are not yet ready for this call to repentance.

I doubt its validity but wanted to throw it out there to see if anyone has heard something similar and how credible it is. Anyone?

[creator]

I heard a faith-building rumor a few months ago that Cleon Skousen wrote a book in the years just before he died which describe what members of the church need to do to save the constitution and liberty, and supposedly President Hinckley counseled him to hold off publishing the book because members of the church are not yet ready for this call to repentance.

This is true. Back in 2005 I was going to W. Cleon Skousen's home every week for a class he taught. He told us that he had written a book and that he spoke with President Hinckley about it and had been advised not to publish it yet, that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. I don't recall if he told us what the book is about though, but yes, the rest is definitely true.

[English Saint]

The church membership in general might not be ready for it, but we are! I'd love to get a copy when it is published. Why are so many books by LDS authors so difficult to get hold of? I've just ordered a copy of Jack Monnett's book from Spanish Fork because I can't get it in the UK. Why is this? Does the Church generally approve of these books?

[WYp8riot]

That is fascinating information.

Thanks for all the input and discussion.

-P

[AussieOi]

maybe gbh was just being kind and it was a dud book?

Not ready? Gee- how about we get a book on it or receive some instruction from the pulpit and we might even get ready!

Are we ready for the sabbath? Tithing? (insert 5000 other commandments we aren't keeping) hasn't stopped a thousand books a year by lds authors

Nothing like preserving the thing eh?

Nothing like encouraging some members

Disappointing- must be more to it. Church doesn't go for censorship.... Much

Probably referring to sales/ readership viability

"Yet". Maybe when liberty is fully gone Deseret will publish it alongside harry potter and twilight

[lundbaek]

I would not expect "Awakening To Our Awful Situation" by Jack Monnett or Ken Bowers' books to be sold thru Deseret Book stores, which seems to indicate it is not recommended or suggested reading by at least certain General Authorities. As much as I would recommend these books to any LDS concerned about our "awful situation", I think I understand why they are not marketed by the "PC" Deseret Book company.

[BroJones]

However, Jack Monnett DID get "Awakening to our Awful Situation" (with the 9/11 talk at UVSC) available through the BYu Bookstore, Provo campus. I thought that was quite a coup...

I also greatly appreciate and admire Dr. Skousen -- is his book available ANYWHERE? Could we get it published, or at least available to read?

[ithink]

I heard a faith-building rumor...

It has been made clear that some of the brethren insist that some things remain secret because they believe if they were made known these things would destroy the faith of the members. Well I'm a member, and it doesn't help my faith or the faith of my wife and kids, and others near me, when we hear of yet another pre-emptive book burning of this "secret book of knowledge" on my behalf. I can tell you that this in no way helps my faith, and in fact, it damages it.

I would like to say that if there is anyone lurking here who has connections or is in the leadership, I would kindly ask you to let us decide what is and is not good for us. Please stop burning our books before they're printed. Stop burning them after. Sure there are no more actual bonfires, but what has been done in the past is no less effective. Brethren, we are not babies. In fact, I ever met any "babies" that cannot contain the information I give them -- the very information you say must be kept secret.

Additionally, I would like to know how leadership who don't like certain things preached -- or even privately published -- plan on responding when they are asked if they taught the truths or not. The scriptures are replete with examples of prophets getting the blood off their skirts by sounding the warning bell, but what about those leaders that stuff kleenex up inside the bell?

It's just another sad day for truthers.

But then maybe not. Perhaps I should just sign up for another credit card. I should rejoice in the new "Obama-nation" to the south. I should just get a loan, send my kids to public school and prepare myself mentally for the day my daughter comes home pregnant and my son drunk, start saving money so my kids can go to the some ivy-league school, send my wife out to work so we can afford the latest sneakers for my kids in their new public school environment, and maybe I should just shut up and smile as I commit perjury once again when I sign my income tax statement to pay my unconstitutional taxes to my government sitting in the national legislature, decorated in the Rothschild's star of david and the Owl of Minerva. Maybe -- maybe then I would be able to relate to the messages in the Ensign, because sure as shooting I cannot do so now.

[lundbaek]

If in fact this and certain other books on similar themes are being muzzled, I think it is at least in part to prevent certain parties from becoming aware of the concern of so many LDSs of the LDGs' destruction of our Constitution and plans for world government. Efforts are being made "...to bring the Church out of obscurity and create good will." "Tweaking the tail of the beast" could easily be counterproductive to that goal.

[ithink]

If in fact this and certain other books on similar themes are being muzzled, I think it is at least in part to prevent certain parties from becoming aware of the concern of so many LDSs of the LDGs' destruction of our Constitution and plans for world government. Efforts are being made "...to bring the Church out of obscurity and create good will." "Tweaking the tail of the beast" could easily be counterproductive to that goal.

Is this what you mean?

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the
field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of
something. They know that there is a power somewhere
so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked,
so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak
above their breath when they speak in condemnation of
it." Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913)

Is this the reason?

[reidbump]

This is true. Back in 2005 I was going to W. Cleon Skousen's home every week for a class he taught. He told us that he had written a book and that he spoke with President Hinckley about it and had been advised not to publish it yet, that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. I don't recall if he told us what the book is about though, but yes, the rest is definitely true.

The fact that this rumor leaked makes me wonder. If GBH really wanted to put a lid on this book for the time being, wouldn't he have advised WCS to keep quiet about it altogether. Fascinating.

I'm sure someone has the manuscript and there's certainly a black market with enough demand for the book. Whoever's out there who can get us the book, please do so.

[Teslaknew]

Sounds like some of us are into being titillated with new 'information'. I sure would like to read it too. The rumor first came to my site/ears in 2006, so it is not new.

Unfortunately, Bro Skousen honored the request of his church leadership. Or was it really unfortunate? Even the latter day scriptures tell us there are more books for us when we are ready for them, which we have not yet received. A similar, telling, condition.

Let us remember that where much is given, much is expected, and having been warned, we are to warn our neighbor. Those two principles together cut very deep. Perhaps the request to hold it back was tied to the blood that would have been spilt, that is, the spiritual damage noncompliance to some part of it, had it been published. Which surmising was already posted.

There is little need for Bro Skousen's output, though I love his stuff, that cannot be gotten through deep pondering and consideration. The end result for my efforts has been to see words stand out in the scriptures, about the end times, where the Lord says to not fear, to trust in Him. I have become aware of obsure little passages I never considered before as He pleas for us to work the gospel and then trust in Him. Just simply that. Methinks perhaps we reach too far.

Having said this, I think, unspecifically, that I've read of other such requests, one or two, which were honored, with the material indeed published much later. I am really sorry I can't remember what they were, but I am sure of them. And in reading it, later, I was either out of tune to see what the item was that might be a problem, or the issue was locally specific and didn't apply to others. Clean's stuff generally does apply to others, so that puts his writing outside the locally specific category.

The frustration in some of the postings saddens me. I know though, that everyone will go on without the material, so perhaps it is of little import and we have much ado about nothing.

[kathyn]

Additionally, I would like to know how leadership who don't like certain things preached -- or even privately published -- plan on responding when they are asked if they taught the truths or not. The scriptures are replete with examples of prophets getting the blood off their skirts by sounding the warning bell, but what about those leaders that stuff kleenex up inside the bell?

I really think we need to be careful of evil speaking of the Lord's anointed.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

There was a Cd-rom that had all of Skousen's works on them (I lost mine) and it was supposed to have books not even published. Anyone now if it contained 'this' book? I am going to have to figure out where my Cd-rom went.

[reidbump]

I really think we need to be careful of evil speaking of the Lord's anointed.

Hear hear. It's okay to be frustrated and question things, but I've encountered some apostate rhetoric on this forum that saddens me. Thus my post on questioning why so many LDS patriots apostatize...

[Darren]

The fact is that we LDS are not ready for real honest truths, our thinking has been influenced by the creeds of men. There are plenty of outlets for the truth available on the internet for those seeking by the light of the Holy Ghost. I have spent many years looking for these truths, and to my dismay I have also learned that most LDS are mostly offended by the truths that I have found.

A sample list of just 10 truths that I have discovered, that generally most LDS will not accept.

Truth #1 – Plato, Aristotle, Socrates worked for Satan and helped develop the Synhedrion leadership of Satan’s Chruch.
Truth #2 – The Synhedrion have always worked for Satan. And they promote a religion of Satan that is followed in Jerusalem to this day. The Synhedrion wrote the Koran to promote another version of that false religion. The Synhedrion are the authors of the Catholic Religion. The Synhedrion are trying to convert all religions to the false religion, even the LDS religion. They are attacking the US Constitution and the institutions of Law. They want all religions to be Orthodox.
Truth #3 – Money is a mechanism of Satan’s Empire.
Truth #4 – Jesus Christ appeared and established his gospel unto the Saxons in Saxland at about 42 AD. Records of this event were almost completely obliterated by the Synhedrion, but were kept in a cultural remembrance by decedents of the Saxons. This Kingdom of the Keys, as it was called by Saxons lasted mostly unaltered until about 800 AD when it had to escape into the wilderness. Significant parts of this original organization established by Christ have lasted until today as part of our Anglo-Saxon heritage, but generally taken for granted as the Synhedrion continue their work to eradicate that culture.
Truth #5 – The Nordics called Heavenly Father the Thorough Father or just Thor.
Truth #6 – The purpose of the Temple is the Oath. Have you kept yours? Lets try the Oath of Consecration for one.
Truth #7 – The reason the preacher scene was taken out of the temple endowment was that some of the “Aristotelian educated” LDS and many of the rulers of the world in general had begun to take offense with that dialogue. That the foundation of Orthodoxy, the political structure of the world, is of Satan.
Truth #8 – The continuation of the Nordic/Arian Church mentioned in D&C 86:8-11 is proof that the generally believed story of the apostasy is not true, and this false story was developed to be in harmony with Aristotelian teachings, that are followed more than the light of the Holy Ghost is in today’s society.
Truth #9 – The membership of the LDS Church, like all flesh, labor under Gross Darkness, having ears hear not, having eyes see not.
Truth #10 – The only way to God is through the promise to “Always remember Him” of the sacrament prayer. Are you and yours doing that?

With all of these missing truths and perhaps 1,000s of others hiding by lies perpetuated by Satan, is it any wonder that the LDS Leadership would try to hold onto the truths that they can, that keep the temples of God in operation, rather than to focus on the truths that oppose the foundations of society built on the Church of the Devil and risk loosing the temples???

Cleon Skousen had to shut down the Freeman Institute when the people got a little truth and started fighting the IRS with it. And used the Freeman Institute as a vehicle to perpetuate more Babylonian abuses. The purposes of the National Center for Constitutional Studies were reordered to only teach the less powerful message of the U.S. Constitution, and avoid the frenzy of what the truth was doing to the Township Movement People.

"The truth is out there Neo."
God Bless,
Darren

[reidbump]

And used the Freeman Institute as a vehicle to perpetuate more Babylonian abuses.

Darren - will you clarify that statement please.

[Darren]

And used the Freeman Institute as a vehicle to perpetuate more Babylonian abuses.

Darren - will you clarify that statement please.

The Freeman Institute had become a place for many influential business and political LDS leaders to network for their share Babylonian spoils. A clearing house of sorts to buy favors from Utah elite. They used this prophetically inspired institution to rape and pillage Utah's innovations coming on line in the 1980s. It became part of the Utah Elite's den of thieves. Cleon Skousen upon discovering this, allowed the ring leader, John Harmer, a political wannabe, to shut the institute down. The parable of the rich man entering the kingdom of God applies to rich LDS in Utah, in more ways than I want to mention.

God Bless,
Darren

[jeremy.ashton]

Truth #3 – Money is a mechanism of Satan’s Empire.

I'm assuming you mean paper money. Freely trading value for value is a good thing.

[reidbump]

The Freeman Institute had become a place for many influential business and political LDS leaders to network for their share Babylonian spoils. A clearing house of sorts to buy favors from Utah elite. They used this prophetically inspired institution to rape and pillage Utah's innovations coming on line in the 1980s. It became part of the Utah Elite's den of thieves. Cleon Skousen upon discovering this, allowed the ring leader, John Harmer, a political wannabe, to shut the institute down. The story of John Harmer is too sick to mention. The parable of the rich man entering the kingdom of God applies to rich LDS in Utah, in more ways than I want to mention.

Very interesting. Where can I learn more about this history?

[obamohno]

There was a Cd-rom that had all of Skousen's works on them (I lost mine) and it was supposed to have books not even published. Anyone now if it contained 'this' book? I am going to have to figure out where my Cd-rom went.

I just ordered myself a copy.

when it gets here ill look for it

[Darren]

Truth #3 – Money is a mechanism of Satan’s Empire.

I'm assuming you mean paper money. Freely trading value for value is a good thing.

Your assumptions reveal that you are laboring under Gross Darkness. Some Aristotelian teacher you subscribed to got you thinking that money is just a word for something of value. Money has always meant the Coin of the Realm or any of it's paper equivalents. Money is a word with its roots in the Goddess Juno Moneta, the goddess of the Roman Empire. Money is faith in the empire, and in emperors. Knowing the basis of words helps lift the Gross Darkness.

God Bless,
Darren

[jeremy.ashton]

Your assumptions reveal that you are laboring under Gross Darkness. Some Aristotelian teacher you subscribed to got you thinking that money is just a word for something of value. Money has always meant the Coin of the Realm or any of it's paper equivalents. Money is a word with its roots in the Goddess Juno Moneta, the goddess of the Roman Empire. Money is faith in the empire, and in emperors. Knowing the basis of words helps lift the Gross Darkness.

So, are you saying that we shouldn't freely trade value for value or that we shouldn't call this trading "money"?

[Darren]

The Freeman Institute had become a place for many influential business and political LDS leaders to network for their share Babylonian spoils. A clearing house of sorts to buy favors from Utah elite. They used this prophetically inspired institution to rape and pillage Utah's innovations coming on line in the 1980s. It became part of the Utah Elite's den of thieves. Cleon Skousen upon discovering this, allowed the ring leader, John Harmer, a political wannabe, to shut the institute down. The story of John Harmer is too sick to mention. The parable of the rich man entering the kingdom of God applies to rich LDS in Utah, in more ways than I want to mention.

Very interesting. Where can I learn more about this history?

I have my notes from several interviews. I dare not publish it all, as I have the safety of my family to consider.

One interview I had with my friend Bruce Wydner was most reveling. He was a victim of some the escapades of some of these Utah elite. Christopher Bentley conducted a similar interview with Bruce on behalf of the JBS, he apparently decided not to publish the information he collected. As it would not have profited the purposes of the JBS. One of the JBS writers I know well here in Missouri also interviewed Bruce, and took notes about John Harmer. This negative information will probably never be published.

I personally wish to be most positive, and indulge myself upon the positive message, my purposes are not to see heads roll, judgment is the Lords.

If you really want more info, I do doubt that it will be of much value to you, but I have books full of it. You could start by reading the Life history of F. Carlyle Harmon. and then I have a book published by the European Union and one from London that mentions the mess Utah was in in the 1980s.

God Bless,
Darren

[Darren]

Your assumptions reveal that you are laboring under Gross Darkness. Some Aristotelian teacher you subscribed to got you thinking that money is just a word for something of value. Money has always meant the Coin of the Realm or any of it's paper equivalents. Money is a word with its roots in the Goddess Juno Moneta, the goddess of the Roman Empire. Money is faith in the empire, and in emperors. Knowing the basis of words helps lift the Gross Darkness.

So, are you saying that we shouldn't freely trade value for value or that we shouldn't call this trading "money"?

Money is a negative word, with an evil purpose.

The highest value on this planet is honesty.

Find me a unit based on honesty, of which I know of at least two that are used more today than money is to trade value for value.

United Orders operated by trust, we will once again operate by the contracts of honesty, that the Saxons operated by for more than 800 years. And continue to use in the Stock and Bond Market.

God Bless,
Darren