You knew this was coming, Black Lives Matter activist Sean King has a new target. Glenn Beck: they're coming for JESUS.

[kirtland r.m.]

You knew this was coming, now we get to the real root of what Black Lies Matter(yes lies) is after, the destruction of the gospel of Jesus Christ!!! Like all good commies, this is at the root of it all.
First, they came for the "offensive" Confederate statues. Then Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and even Union General Ulysses S. Grant were removed next. Now, Black Lives Matter activist Sean King has a new target: white Jesus.

On the radio program Tuesday, Glenn Beck railed against King's call for the destruction of all statues, murals, and stained glass windows of "white Jesus, and his European mother, and their white friends."https://www.glennbeck.com/blm-activist-jesus-statues

[lundbaek]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

[FoundMyEden]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

That was my thought as well. And I wonder how the church will respond?

[Robin Hood]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

As I've said before. I don't agree with their methods or with their motivation for removing statues. But as far as I'm concerned they're graven images and shouldn't be there.

[commonwealth]

I find it ironic that the church just chose a graven image as it’s symbol for the church - especially one that may now become a target to be torn down

[Primary Outcast]

I find it ironic that the church just chose a graven image as it’s symbol for the church - especially one that may now become a target to be torn down

I tought about this as soon as the symbol was presented to us. There will be a test: who will side with Christ? The symbol makes it very clear which side the members of the church stand on and it opens us up to persecution. Who will stand with Christ? Who will abandon course? The test is coming, it won't be easy, and many christians won't withstand the persecutions.

I don't think it is a coincidence that the logo came out when it did.

[Sunain]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

As I've said before. I don't agree with their methods or with their motivation for removing statues. But as far as I'm concerned they're graven images and shouldn't be there.

I think there is a difference between artwork and graven images. When a statue changes from art to graven images, at least to me, is when people start praying, worshiping at the statue. For instance the wailing wall, kneeling in front of Virgin Mary statues, praying at Jesus statues would be when it goes from art to idol worshiping/graven image.

There are many statues in SLC where we specifically state no worshiping or kneeling or praying, at least we did when I was a missionary in SLC. The former North Visitors Center on Temple Square had the famous Christus statue where visitors were told pictures only, no idol worshiping.

[Primary Outcast]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

As I've said before. I don't agree with their methods or with their motivation for removing statues. But as far as I'm concerned they're graven images and shouldn't be there.

I think there is a difference between artwork and graven images. When a statue changes from art to graven images, at least to me, is when people start praying, worshiping at the statue. For instance the wailing wall, kneeling in front of Virgin Mary statues, praying at Jesus statues would be when it goes from art to idol worshiping/graven image.

There are many statues in SLC where we specifically state no worshiping or kneeling or praying, at least we did when I was a missionary in SLC. The former North Visitors Center on Temple Square had the famous Christus statue where visitors were told pictures only, no idol worshiping.

I agree. I don't see in the scriptures where it was wrong to have art depicting Christ (and certainly it existed). The golden calf is a good example of what not to do.

I'm more concerned about the pride and worship that could go into owning a fancy sports car than having art work of Christ on display.

The logo will be used to further separate the wheat from the tares. It's not ironic or coincidental.

[Robin Hood]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

As I've said before. I don't agree with their methods or with their motivation for removing statues. But as far as I'm concerned they're graven images and shouldn't be there.

I think there is a difference between artwork and graven images. When a statue changes from art to graven images, at least to me, is when people start praying, worshiping at the statue. For instance the wailing wall, kneeling in front of Virgin Mary statues, praying at Jesus statues would be when it goes from art to idol worshiping/graven image.

There are many statues in SLC where we specifically state no worshiping or kneeling or praying, at least we did when I was a missionary in SLC. The former North Visitors Center on Temple Square had the famous Christus statue where visitors were told pictures only, no idol worshiping.

With respect, that seems to be the rationalisation most people make. "We don't worship them so it's ok". However, the instruction not to bow down to them is a seperate instruction from the one to "not make unto thee any graven image". They're graven images.... period. Whether we bow down to them or not is irrelevant in respect to this instruction.
And I would definitely include the Christus statue in the category of a graven image, because that is exactly what it is.

[mahalanobis]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

As I've said before. I don't agree with their methods or with their motivation for removing statues. But as far as I'm concerned they're graven images and shouldn't be there.

I think there is a difference between artwork and graven images. When a statue changes from art to graven images, at least to me, is when people start praying, worshiping at the statue. For instance the wailing wall, kneeling in front of Virgin Mary statues, praying at Jesus statues would be when it goes from art to idol worshiping/graven image.

There are many statues in SLC where we specifically state no worshiping or kneeling or praying, at least we did when I was a missionary in SLC. The former North Visitors Center on Temple Square had the famous Christus statue where visitors were told pictures only, no idol worshiping.

With respect, that seems to be the rationalisation most people make. "We don't worship them so it's ok". However, the instruction not to bow down to them is a seperate instruction from the one to "not make unto thee any graven image". They're graven images.... period. Whether we bow down to them or not is irrelevant in respect to this instruction.
And I would definitely include the Christus statue in the category of a graven image, because that is exactly what it is.

I agree with you RH 99% of the time. But,

Symbolism is okay, but art is not? Where does one draw the line? How does one know if something is a symbol or art? Surely there is a lot of grey area in this interpretation.

Ark of the covenant
The 10 commandment tablets themselves
The tabernacle
Symbols in the temple, some of which are on the outsides of the temples and are graven/etched.
(All of the above, but depicted in paintings or graven statues)

I think it's just easier to interpret it as: no material objects of worship. I apologise if this view is just lazy, but it works for me.

[decision2020]

shaun king aka 'talcum x' aka 'caucus garvey' aka 'martin luther cream..'
in other words, shaun king is 100% genetically a white male.. a white male who plays the role of a
'black' liberation leader.
he is the personification of 'black face', but yet no one in the BLM or 'civil rights' movement
call him on it.
as stated before, i'm black, non-lds, but i'd follow someone like your bruce mckonkie(rip), david bednar before i'd ever
follow/agree with a fraud such as shaun king.
all these race husltlers are just that. they offer nothing. they cannot build. they only destroy.
they're upset because they dont have the ability, intelligence, or work ethic to do for themselves or their own.
so instead, they whine, moan, complain, until society gives into their demands.
left up to me, i wouldnt change anything about byu, downtown slc, the church, nothing, just to spite these clowns.
i despise these grifters with a passion. i see these types
everyday in the neighborhoods where my extended family live. always talking about
slavery, oppression, <fill in the blank>
my life story is similar to theirs, but i found a life skill i excel at, and ran with it.
i've made several bad decisions along the way, but one thing i'm consistent with
is ensuring a quality of life for myself and my children.

lastly, you have all these suburban SJW types bowing, kneeling, apologizing for non-events or half-truths.
i can say this with 100% certainty.
the virtue signaling is all fun and games until these groups start calling for that pound of flesh.
that pound of flesh will be your bank account, your property, your spouse, your children, then your life.

[francisco.colaco]

Decision2020,

«as stated before, i'm black, non-lds,»

You can become black AND LDS.

[decision2020]

yeah maybe.. i was just really impressed with the lds people and their surrounding communities when i was playing the snow college, ricks, dixie, niu, circuit back in the 90s.
whenever i watch bonanza i get the feeling many in these small communities are like ben cartwrite.
upstanding men(and women) of courage, integrity, and courage.
speaking of which(and possibly another bad life decision), i remember walking into downtown slc mall and this very pretty girl approached me.. wanted to know my name ,etc.
she had a very good sprit about her.. anyway, i still had my eye on someone back home at the moment, so i just thanked her for the conversation and moved on.
20+ some odd years later, i always think if i probably would have been better off with someone like her, than the one back at home.
i know some of the guys married local lds girls and also converted.

oh well, woulda coulda shoulda.. life is still good friends.. just need to prepare for whats to come.

[Rand]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

As I've said before. I don't agree with their methods or with their motivation for removing statues. But as far as I'm concerned they're graven images and shouldn't be there.

Is all art a graven image? Or just statues? And is it all statues?

[kirtland r.m.]

Circuit Attorney Mrs. Gardner made ridiculous comments on this topic.https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... a62c3.html
Also, a picture truly is worth a thousand words as you can see on the link(her peaceful protesters comment was priceless), along with this information, 'We were told that we would be killed, our home burned and our dog killed,' homeowner saidhttps://www.foxnews.com/us/armed-st-lou ... s-attorney

[kirtland r.m.]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

As I've said before. I don't agree with their methods or with their motivation for removing statues. But as far as I'm concerned they're graven images and shouldn't be there.

while I love your past posts, on this one I will disagree with you on what a graven image is.
graven image
noun
a carved idol or representation of a god used as an object of worship. Definitions from Oxford Languages Dictionary

[Robin Hood]

I wonder if there will be an attempt to destroy monuments and statues in SLC.

As I've said before. I don't agree with their methods or with their motivation for removing statues. But as far as I'm concerned they're graven images and shouldn't be there.

while I love your past posts, on this one I will disagree with you on what a graven image is.
graven image
noun
a carved idol or representation of a god used as an object of worship. Definitions from Oxford Languages Dictionary

That isn't the biblical definition though.

[Kaarno]

Ok RH we get your view. Let's get back on topic.

If the protests threaten Temple Square who will show up to protect it? I will be there.

[decision2020]

Ok RH we get your view. Let's get back on topic.

If the protests threaten Temple Square who will show up to protect it? I will be there.

if there was a protest at template square, do you think the church would ask members or the community to stay away ?
would you still show up if the church sent out such a message ?

understood there are protests at every conference.. but this time it's different.

[decision2020]

depending on how i feel, and if i had nothing to lose, i'd show up regardless if a message was sent out or not. i'm not bound to anything.
i'd show up as a 'casual observer', and if one of the protestors tried something with me, like how they just randomly picked on that
truck in provo, i'm not sure how i'd 'react.'
i know for a 10000% fact, i wouldnt take a beating like that mall employee did a couple weeks ago.
i'm sick of these clowns.

[JohnnyL]

What if 2,000 men showed up in "Helping Hands" and billy clubs, and surrounded them and lined the statues, fences, etc.?

[Elizabeth]

I receive great comfort in my life and an aura of protection from my artworks of Jesus Christ.