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EMP attack

Posted: January 11th, 2009, 11:43 pm
by believer
I would like to start some discussion on an EMP attack on the U.S.
It seems like a very logical way for our enemies to go to me. However, I don't have the scientific background that some of you have, so I would like to know what you think.

I am also going to post some of the articles that I have read after this one.

Believer

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 11th, 2009, 11:47 pm
by believer
washingtonpost.com
Unready For This Attack

By Jon Kyl

Saturday, April 16, 2005; Page A19


Recently a Senate Judiciary subcommittee of which I am chairman held a hearing on a major threat to the American people, one that could come not only from terrorist organizations such as al Qaeda but from rogue nations such as Iran and North Korea.

An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack on the American homeland, said one of the distinguished scientists who testified at the hearing, is one of only a few ways that the United States could be defeated by its enemies -- terrorist or otherwise. And it is probably the easiest. A single Scud missile, carrying a single nuclear weapon, detonated at the appropriate altitude, would interact with the Earth's atmosphere, producing an electromagnetic pulse radiating down to the surface at the speed of light. Depending on the location and size of the blast, the effect would be to knock out already stressed power grids and other electrical systems across much or even all of the continental United States, for months if not years.

Few if any people would die right away. But the loss of power would have a cascading effect on all aspects of U.S. society. Communication would be largely impossible. Lack of refrigeration would leave food rotting in warehouses, exacerbated by a lack of transportation as those vehicles still working simply ran out of gas (which is pumped with electricity). The inability to sanitize and distribute water would quickly threaten public health, not to mention the safety of anyone in the path of the inevitable fires, which would rage unchecked. And as we have seen in areas of natural and other disasters, such circumstances often result in a fairly rapid breakdown of social order.

American society has grown so dependent on computer and other electrical systems that we have created our own Achilles' heel of vulnerability, ironically much greater than those of other, less developed nations. When deprived of power, we are in many ways helpless, as the New York City blackout made clear. In that case, power was restored quickly because adjacent areas could provide help. But a large-scale burnout caused by a broad EMP attack would create a much more difficult situation. Not only would there be nobody nearby to help, it could take years to replace destroyed equipment.

Transformers for regional substations, for example, are massive pieces of equipment that are no longer manufactured in the United States and typically take more than a year to build. In the words of another witness at the hearing, "The longer the basic outage, the more problematic and uncertain the recovery of any [infrastructure system] will be. It is possible -- indeed, seemingly likely -- for sufficiently severe functional outages to become mutually reinforcing, until a point at which the degradation . . . could have irreversible effects on the country's ability to support any large fraction of its present human population." Those who survived, he said, would find themselves transported back to the United States of the 1880s.

This threat may sound straight out of Hollywood, but it is very real. CIA Director Porter Goss recently testified before Congress about nuclear material missing from storage sites in Russia that may have found its way into terrorist hands, and FBI Director Robert Mueller has confirmed new intelligence that suggests al Qaeda is trying to acquire and use weapons of mass destruction. Iran has surprised intelligence analysts by describing the mid-flight detonations of missiles fired from ships on the Caspian Sea as "successful" tests. North Korea exports missile technology around the world; Scuds can easily be purchased on the open market for about $100,000 apiece.

A terrorist organization might have trouble putting a nuclear warhead "on target" with a Scud, but it would be much easier to simply launch and detonate in the atmosphere. No need for the risk and difficulty of trying to smuggle a nuclear weapon over the border or hit a particular city. Just launch a cheap missile from a freighter in international waters -- al Qaeda is believed to own about 80 such vessels -- and make sure to get it a few miles in the air.

Fortunately, hardening key infrastructure systems and procuring vital backup equipment such as transformers is both feasible and -- compared with the threat -- relatively inexpensive, according to a comprehensive report on the EMP threat by a commission of prominent experts. But it will take leadership by the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Department, and other federal agencies, along with support from Congress, all of which have yet to materialize.

The Sept. 11 commission report stated that our biggest failure was one of "imagination." No one imagined that terrorists would do what they did on Sept. 11. Today few Americans can conceive of the possibility that terrorists could bring our society to its knees by destroying everything we rely on that runs on electricity. But this time we've been warned, and we'd better be prepared to respond.

The writer is a Republican senator from Arizona and chairman of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on terrorism, technology and homeland security.



© 2005 The Washington Post Company





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Re: EMP attack effects

Posted: January 11th, 2009, 11:52 pm
by believer
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Nuclear Weapon EMP Effects
A high-altitude nuclear detonation produces an immediate flux of gamma rays from the nuclear reactions within the device. These photons in turn produce high energy free electrons by Compton scattering at altitudes between (roughly) 20 and 40 km. These electrons are then trapped in the Earth’s magnetic field, giving rise to an oscillating electric current. This current is asymmetric in general and gives rise to a rapidly rising radiated electromagnetic field called an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). Because the electrons are trapped essentially simultaneously, a very large electromagnetic source radiates coherently.
The pulse can easily span continent-sized areas, and this radiation can affect systems on land, sea, and air. The first recorded EMP incident accompanied a high-altitude nuclear test over the South Pacific and resulted in power system failures as far away as Hawaii. A large device detonated at 400–500 km over Kansas would affect all of CONUS. The signal from such an event extends to the visual horizon as seen from the burst point.

The EMP produced by the Compton electrons typically lasts for about 1 microsecond, and this signal is called HEMP. In addition to the prompt EMP, scattered gammas and inelastic gammas produced by weapon neutrons produce an “intermediate time” signal from about 1 microsecond to 1 second. The energetic debris entering the ionosphere produces ionization and heating of the E-region. In turn, this causes the geomagnetic field to “heave,” producing a “late-time” magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) EMP generally called a heave signal.


Initially, the plasma from the weapon is slightly conducting; the geomagnetic field cannot penetrate this volume and is displaced as a result. This impulsive distortion of the geomagnetic field was observed worldwide in the case of the STARFISH test. To be sure, the size of the signal from this process is not large, but systems connected to long lines (e.g., power lines, telephone wires, and tracking wire antennas) are at risk because of the large size of the induced current. The additive effects of the MHD-EMP can cause damage to unprotected civilian and military systems that depend on or use long-line cables. Small, isolated, systems tend to be unaffected.
Military systems must survive all aspects of the EMP, from the rapid spike of the early time events to the longer duration heave signal. One of the principal problems in assuring such survival is the lack of test data from actual high-altitude nuclear explosions. Only a few such experiments were carried out before the LTBT took effect, and at that time the theoretical understanding of the phenomenon of HEMP was relatively poor. No high-altitude tests have been conducted by the United States since 1963. In addition to the more familiar high-yield tests mentioned above, three small devices were exploded in the Van Allen belts as part of Project Argus. That experiment was intended to explore the methods by which electrons were trapped and traveled along magnetic field lines.


The “acid test” of the response of modern military systems to EMP is their performance in simulators, particularly where a large number of components are involved. So many cables, pins, connectors, and devices are to be found in real hardware that computation of the progress of the EMP signal cannot be predicted, even conceptually, after the field enters a real system. System failures or upsets will depend upon the most intricate details of current paths and interior electrical connections, and one cannot analyze these beforehand. Threat-level field illumination from simulators combined with pulsed-current injection are used to evaluate the survivability of a real system against an HEMP threat.

The technology to build simulators with risetimes on the order of 10 ns is well known. This risetime is, however, longer than that of a real HEMP signal. Since 1986 the United States has used a new EMP standard which requires waveforms at threat levels having risetimes under a few nanoseconds. Threat-level simulators provide the best technique for establishing the hardness of systems against early-time HEMP. They are, however, limited to finite volumes (aircraft, tanks, communications nodes) and cannot encompass an extended system. For these systems current injection must be used.
HEMP can pose a serious threat to military systems when even a single high-altitude nuclear explosion occurs. In principle, even a new nuclear proliferator could execute such a strike. In practice, however, it seems unlikely that such a state would use one of its scarce warheads to inflict damage which must be considered secondary to the primary effects of blast, shock, and thermal pulse. Furthermore, a HEMP attack must use a relatively large warhead to be effective (perhaps on the order of one mega-ton), and new proliferators are unlikely to be able to construct such a device, much less make it small enough to be lofted to high altitude by a ballistic missile or space launcher. Finally, in a tactical situation such as was encountered in the Gulf War, an attack by Iraq against Coalition forces would have also been an attack by Iraq against its own communications, radar, missile, and power systems. EMP cannot be confined to only one “side” of the burst.


Source Region Electro-magnetic Pulse [SREMP] is produced by low-altitude nuclear bursts. An effective net vertical electron current is formed by the asymmetric deposition of electrons in the atmosphere and the ground, and the formation and decay of this current emits a pulse of electromagnetic radiation in directions perpendicular to the current. The asymmetry from a low-altitude explosion occurs because some electrons emitted downward are trapped in the upper millimeter of the Earth’s surface while others, moving upward and outward, can travel long distances in the atmosphere, producing ionization and charge separation. A weaker asymmetry can exist for higher altitude explosions due to the density gradient of the atmosphere.

Within the source region, peak electric fields greater than 10 5 V/m and peak magnetic fields greater than 4,000 A/m can exist. These are much larger than those from HEMP and pose a considerable threat to military or civilian systems in the affected region. The ground is also a conductor of electricity and provides a return path for electrons at the outer part of the deposition region toward the burst point. Positive ions, which travel shorter distances than electrons and at lower velocities, remain behind and recombine with the electrons returning through the ground. Thus, strong magnetic fields are produced in the region of ground zero. When the nuclear detonation occurs near to the ground, the SREMP target may not be located in the electromagnetic far field but may instead lie within the electro-magnetic induction region. In this regime the electric and magnetic fields of the radiation are no longer perpendicular to one another, and many of the analytic tools with which we understand EM coupling in the simple plane-wave case no longer apply. The radiated EM field falls off rapidly with increasing distance from the deposition region (near to the currents the EMP does not appear to come from a point source).
As a result, the region where the greatest damage can be produced is from about 3 to 8 km from ground zero. In this same region structures housing electrical equipment are also likely to be severely damaged by blast and shock. According to the third edition of The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, by S. Glasstone and P. Dolan, “the threat to electrical and electronic systems from a surface-burst EMP may extend as far as the distance at which the peak overpressure from a 1-megaton burst is 2 pounds per square inch.”

One of the unique features of SREMP is the high late-time voltage which can be produced on long lines in the first 0.1 second. This stress can produce large late-time currents on the exterior shields of systems, and shielding against the stress is very difficult. Components sensitive to magnetic fields may have to be specially hardened. SREMP effects are uniquely nuclear weapons effects.

During the Cold War, SREMP was conceived primarily as a threat to the electronic and electrical systems within hardened targets such as missile launch facilities. Clearly, SREMP effects are only important if the targeted systems are expected to survive the primary damage-causing mechanisms of blast, shock, and thermal pulse. Because SREMP is uniquely associated with nuclear strikes, technology associated with SREMP generation has no commercial applications. However, technologies associated with SREMP measurement and mitigation are commercially interesting for lightning protection and electromagnetic compatibility applications. Basic physics models of SREMP generation and coupling to generic systems, as well as numerical calculation, use unclassified and generic weapon and target parameters. However, codes and coupling models which reveal the response and vulnerability of current or future military systems are militarily critical.

Sources and Methods
Adapted from - Nuclear Weapons Effects Technology Militarily Critical Technologies List (MCTL) Part II: Weapons of Mass Destruction Technologies
Engineering and Design - Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) and Tempest Protection for Facilities
NATO HANDBOOK ON THE MEDICAL ASPECTS OF NBC DEFENSIVE OPERATIONS PART I - NUCLEAR




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Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 12th, 2009, 6:39 pm
by kathyn
would like to start some discussion on an EMP attack on the U.S.
I do believe that this would be the cheapest and easiest way for a terrorist to knock out the US. Iran has already tested a missile that will reach the required altitude to explode a nuclear device and cause a huge EMP and I'll bet that they can acquire the devices they need. And we know that Al Qaeda has freighters. They don't need too many EMPs to cripple us, do they? Our way of life would change in an instant. I hope our gov't will hurry to shield our infrastructure from the gamma pulse. In fact, I think this might be the greatest threat we face at this time.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 12th, 2009, 6:49 pm
by gruden
Then again, it might be simple economics that takes down our power grid.

If the dollar collapses, who will mine the coal to fire the plants? Who will maintain the system if a storm knocks down some poles or takes out a transformer?

I really think the US will be hit by a few nukes in the not-too-distant future, but I don't think they'll go for the EMP knockout. Why would the Chinese want to fry all those circuitboards they worked so hard to make, when they could pick them up and use them?

Iran won't do anything without Russia's say-so. Iran will go after Israel and leave it to Russia to mess with us.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 12th, 2009, 6:59 pm
by kathyn
really think the US will be hit by a few nukes in the not-too-distant future
Gruden, why do you think that? Is it a hunch or is it based on something more? I do remember when Elder McConkie said in Conference that it would be the priesthood that would save us from the "atomic holocaust that shall surely be". (I hope I remembered that quote right.)

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 12th, 2009, 7:18 pm
by lundbaek
General Conference. Welfare Session, April 1979

"It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority of the priesthood can save individuals and congregations from the atomic holocausts that surely shall be."

Other excerpts from Bruce R. McConkie's prophecy on horror.

Be it remembered that tribulations lie ahead. There will be wars in one nation and kingdom after another until war is poured out upon all nations and two hundred million men of war mass their armaments at Armageddon.

Peace has been taken from the earth, the angels of destruction have begun their work, and their swords shall not be sheathed until the Prince of Peace comes to destroy the wicked and usher in the great Millennium.

There will be earthquakes and floods and famines. The waves of the sea shall heave themselves beyond their bounds, the clouds shall withhold their rain, and the crops of the earth shall wither and die.

There will be plagues and pestilence and disease and death. An overflowing scourge shall cover the earth and a desolating sickness shall sweep the land. Flies shall take hold of the inhabitants of the earth, and maggots shall come in upon them. (See D&C 29:14–20.) “Their flesh shall fall from off their bones, and their eyes from their sockets” (D&C 29:19).

Bands of Gadianton robbers will infest every nation, immorality and murder and crime will increase, and it will seem as though every man’s hand is against his brother.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 12th, 2009, 9:10 pm
by Mark
Wait a minute here. I thought the only attacks we would be seeing would be those of the false flag variety. Alex Jones told me so and I trust his wisdom. And by the way I remember many here saying that Bush would never relinquish his Kingdom and would declare marshall law before that would ever happen. In fact there has been a lot of stuff predicted prior to this next president being sworn into office which by the way was also not supposed to happen. I'll bet the AVOW people are going nuts. Just over a week left for all those things to come true. So much to do, so little time. :?

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 12th, 2009, 11:49 pm
by ithink
Anyone here got experience with Tesla coils? A hand held EMP device could be handy for all kinds of things.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 13th, 2009, 3:27 pm
by will
How would an EMP effect a pace maker? any thoughts?

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 13th, 2009, 4:14 pm
by shadow
Mark wrote:Wait a minute here. I thought the only attacks we would be seeing would be those of the false flag variety. Alex Jones told me so and I trust his wisdom. And by the way I remember many here saying that Bush would never relinquish his Kingdom and would declare marshall law before that would ever happen. In fact there has been a lot of stuff predicted prior to this next president being sworn into office which by the way was also not supposed to happen. I'll bet the AVOW people are going nuts. Just over a week left for all those things to come true. So much to do, so little time. :?
Always the party pooper aren't you Marx.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 13th, 2009, 4:48 pm
by lundbaek
Ridicule, sarcasm and satire are often used to avoid any honest attempt at refuting facts. When used in personal attacks they tend to divert attention from facts being exposed. Other than intended humour, I think most posts here convey a forum members sincere concern, and whether on not one agrees or disagrees with what the poster believes, they should be treted with respect.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 13th, 2009, 8:48 pm
by shadow
lundbaek wrote:Ridicule, sarcasm and satire are often used to avoid any honest attempt at refuting facts. When used in personal attacks they tend to divert attention from facts being exposed. Other than intended humour, I think most posts here convey a forum members sincere concern, and whether on not one agrees or disagrees with what the poster believes, they should be treted with respect.
No one has disrespected anyone lundbaek. Sometimes we need to lighten up a tad. What Marcy posted was true. I was one of many that suggested Bush wouldn't leave his post. Mark called me on it. We all know Mark is a party pooper, just ask Col. Flagg. He (Mark)brings us back to reality sometimes.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 13th, 2009, 9:03 pm
by will
How would an EMP effect a pacemaker? any thoughts? Seriously.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 13th, 2009, 9:47 pm
by Mark
Ridicule, sarcasm and satire are often used to avoid any honest attempt at refuting facts. When used in personal attacks they tend to divert attention from facts being exposed. Other than intended humour, I think most posts here convey a forum members sincere concern, and whether on not one agrees or disagrees with what the poster believes, they should be treted with respect.


Crikey Lundbaek what flew up your posterior Bro. Lighten up man. If this board didn't have those like sad sack and Fluffy visit every once in a while with their quick wits and humor it would turn into a morgue here. Go unwind and have some fun.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 9:19 am
by jbalm
How would an EMP effect a pacemaker? any thoughts? Seriously.
I googled it. Tests have been done, but it seems nobody knows for sure.

Might want a lead vest just to be safe.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 12:50 pm
by ndjili
An EMP would be a little more logical than nuking us (at first before the powers that be get greedy and fight amongst themselves and then nukes start flying). Then there would be something left for the, well whoever EMP's us (China, Russia, Iran or Martians :wink: whoever) to take over. Someone told me microwave ovens are supposed to have protections inside, so when mine died I kept it and put it in my crawlspace and I am going to stick a good radio in it. Just in case. :lol:

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 10:10 pm
by HoneyBee
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Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 10:27 pm
by gruden
kathyn wrote:Gruden, why do you think that? Is it a hunch or is it based on something more? I do remember when Elder McConkie said in Conference that it would be the priesthood that would save us from the "atomic holocaust that shall surely be". (I hope I remembered that quote right.)
I remember many years ago standing in the branch president's office reading that quote, which he gave to me. It's ingrained in my mind, exactly as you quoted. I believe Hill AFB will be one of the targets.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 10:29 pm
by kathyn
Isn't aluminum supposed to protect against electrical influence
I'm sure glad I bought a giant roll of aluminum foil today. :lol:

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 10:32 pm
by gruden
Mark wrote:
Ridicule, sarcasm and satire are often used to avoid any honest attempt at refuting facts. When used in personal attacks they tend to divert attention from facts being exposed. Other than intended humour, I think most posts here convey a forum members sincere concern, and whether on not one agrees or disagrees with what the poster believes, they should be treted with respect.


Crikey Lundbaek what flew up your posterior Bro. Lighten up man. If this board didn't have those like sad sack and Fluffy visit every once in a while with their quick wits and humor it would turn into a morgue here. Go unwind and have some fun.
Because sometimes, Mark, people want to have a serious discussion without the peanut gallery constantly interjecting. If you don't have anything to add, why do you feel you have to throw in comments like that? You do that a lot, and it's not helpful. Levity is more appreciated for someone actually participating in the conversation, as opposed to interjecting or hijacking it.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 10:35 pm
by gruden
ndjili wrote:An EMP would be a little more logical than nuking us (at first before the powers that be get greedy and fight amongst themselves and then nukes start flying). Then there would be something left for the, well whoever EMP's us (China, Russia, Iran or Martians :wink: whoever) to take over. Someone told me microwave ovens are supposed to have protections inside, so when mine died I kept it and put it in my crawlspace and I am going to stick a good radio in it. Just in case. :lol:
A neutron bomb might actually be more logical than that (something the Chinese stole from us from Los Alamos).

EMP fries assets but much less harm to humans. Neutron bombs kill the humans but keep the infrastructure (mostly) intact. If you're looking to take over some land and kick out the current inhabitants, I'd go with the neutron bomb.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 10:43 pm
by kathyn
A neutron bomb might actually be more logical than that (something the Chinese stole from us from Los Alamos).
Omigosh, I think you've hit on the right scenario right there. I had completely forgotten about the neutron bombs. You are absolutely right. This would make the most sense for the Chinese. They have a burgeoning population and could make good use of our continent. Yikes!

They could nuke the east and west coasts, plus middle America and send in troops to mop up the rest of the country. Sigh. This is not a good thought to go to sleep to. ( You are officially responsible for my nightmares tonight.) :roll:

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 10:57 pm
by Mark
Sorry for the hijack Gruden. I'll butt out.

Cheers mate.

Re: EMP attack

Posted: January 14th, 2009, 11:21 pm
by Stumpjumper
Oh come on now Marky Mark. You add plenty to the discussion. I think grudey might be a little sensitive.

A EMP first followed by a neutron bomb would be the ultimate cocktail.

Hill Air Force base is somewhat small potatoes when it comes to strategic bases. We have desert and Mtn. bases all over the west. If and when an attack comes to HAFB it won't be on the high priority list. Unless they want to hit us from the middle outward. The Coasts have more people, technology, Navy, etc. Middle America would be easy to take once the coastal areas are out of the way.

After an EMP attack just think how vulnerable our borders would become?

Although with the coming Ice age I would rather invade Mexico and South America.