Fruit

[The Holy Decoy]

I've seen some pretty fantastic claims made by people that eat only fruit.

Does anyone here have any experiences with this?

Here are a couple of people that advocate this lifestyle:

• Robert Morse

• Loren Lockman

• John Rose

Here's a short video by Loren Lockman on some of the perils if you don't properly hydrate:

(Loren clarified in the comment section that he meant to say "cooked food" when he said "animal products").

[Davka]

Why is your name Holy Decoy and what is your avatar image supposed to represent?

[BeNotDeceived]

Why is your name Holy Decoy and what is your avatar image supposed to represent?

I don't know, but I like it

& wish him well should he seek to attain ultimate post rate unity.

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Hey come think of it every one's first post put's their rate at exactly 1 post per day; kinda like da gada vida all over again.

Oh yea, some thing about fruit 2.

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[Davka]

Why is your name Holy Decoy and what is your avatar image supposed to represent?

I don't know, but I like it

& wish him well should he seek to attain ultimate post rate unity.

I figured there was a connection....

[The Holy Decoy]

Why is your name Holy Decoy and what is your avatar image supposed to represent?

Just a vanity of mine to be one of the servant's many decoys, if he even needs them (to hide until he is ready).

[Alaris]

I've seen some pretty fantastic claims made by people that eat only fruit.

Does anyone here have any experiences with this?

Here are a couple of people that advocate this lifestyle:

• Robert Morse

• Loren Lockman

• John Rose

Here's a short video by Loren Lockman on some of the perils if you don't properly hydrate:

Isn't there some scriptural basis on a fruit based diet? Isn't the devil a holy decoy.... Wait a minute!

[Alaris]

Why is your name Holy Decoy and what is your avatar image supposed to represent?

Just a vanity of mine to be one of the servant's many decoys, if he even needs them (to hide until he is ready).

Interesting. How does one go about this?

Is this something you felt inspired by God to do, or is was the genesis of this idea your own?

[The Holy Decoy]

Why is your name Holy Decoy and what is your avatar image supposed to represent?

Just a vanity of mine to be one of the servant's many decoys, if he even needs them (to hide until he is ready).

Interesting. How does one go about this?

Is this something you felt inspired by God to do, or is was the genesis of this idea your own?

Just a thought I had that there may be many marred sons sent down at this time who will be healed and act as decoys for the true servant.

[Alaris]

Why is your name Holy Decoy and what is your avatar image supposed to represent?

Just a vanity of mine to be one of the servant's many decoys, if he even needs them (to hide until he is ready).

Interesting. How does one go about this?

Is this something you felt inspired by God to do, or is was the genesis of this idea your own?

Just a thought I had that there may be many marred sons sent down at this time who will be healed and act as decoys for the true servant.

Step 1: "Don't tell the adversary you're a decoy"

[The Holy Decoy]

Just a vanity of mine to be one of the servant's many decoys, if he even needs them (to hide until he is ready).

Interesting. How does one go about this?

Is this something you felt inspired by God to do, or is was the genesis of this idea your own?

Just a thought I had that there may be many marred sons sent down at this time who will be healed and act as decoys for the true servant.

Step 1: "Don't tell the adversary you're a decoy"

Well, one of us has to be the real deal.

[The Holy Decoy]

Isn't there some scriptural basis on a fruit based diet?

And unto Adam, I, the Lord God, said: Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the fruit of the tree of which I commanded thee, saying—Thou shalt not eat of it, cursed shall be the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life. Thorns also, and thistles shall it bring forth to thee, and thou shalt eat the herb of the field. By the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, until thou shalt return unto the ground—for thou shalt surely die—for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou wast, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Moses 4:23-25)

After being kicked out of the garden they started eating herbs and bread. Frugivore bodies are unable to properly process bread. This causes a toxic buildup throughout the body. The body then has to work to get the toxicity out (by the sweat of the face). Herbs also become necessary to help deal with the various dis-eases (discomforts) caused by the toxic buildup in their bodies.

After some repentance, the higher of law of fruit was reintroduced to Adam. However, given the fallen state of man and the highly addictive nature of cooked food, many of his children were not ready to accept it and continued to live by the lower law.

[NewEliza]

I just finished reading a book about natural childbirth in which it references a doctor many many years ago who supposedly had his pregnant wife eat only fruit and maybe potatoes. Allegedly she had the easiest labor and delivery he’d ever seen. No sources, sorry.

[True]

I think it would be extremely unhealthy, leading to non alcoholic fatty liver disease:

[The Holy Decoy]

I think it would be extremely unhealthy, leading to non alcoholic fatty liver disease:

https://youtu.be/UvlXa9jW3kE

I think Jason Fung would do well to listen to some of the many testimonials of people who have actually lived on fruit:

[True]

I think it would be extremely unhealthy, leading to non alcoholic fatty liver disease:

https://youtu.be/UvlXa9jW3kE

I think Jason Fung would do well to listen to some of the many testimonials of people who have actually lived on fruit:

They probably all have fatty livers unless they just don’t eat enough calories that their livers have to use it to get by. It is not Dr. Fung’s fault that only the liver can metabolize fructose.

[The Holy Decoy]

I think it would be extremely unhealthy, leading to non alcoholic fatty liver disease:

https://youtu.be/UvlXa9jW3kE

I think Jason Fung would do well to listen to some of the many testimonials of people who have actually lived on fruit:

They probably all have fatty livers unless they just don’t eat enough calories that their livers have to use it to get by. It is not Dr. Fung’s fault that only the liver can metabolize fructose.

Many studies are industry funded and do not reflect what actually happens in practice. Robert Morse has helped many people with different liver conditions and claims to not have problems with such cases.

Skip to 4:45 for his answer to the liver/fruit question.

[True]

Fructose and fatty liver – why sugar is a toxin
February 8 2017 by Dr. Jason Fung, MDDr. Jason Fung, MD in Dr. Robert Lustig, Sugar/fructose
Sugar in burlap sack with sugarcane
Fructose is even more strongly linked to obesity and diabetes than glucose. From a nutritional standpoint, neither fructose nor glucose contains essential nutrients. As a sweetener, both are similar. Yet fructose is particularly malevolent to human health compared to glucose due to its unique metabolism within the body.

Glucose and fructose metabolism differ in many significant ways. Whereas almost every cell in the body can use glucose for energy, no cell has the ability to use fructose. Once inside the body, only the liver can metabolize fructose. Where glucose can be dispersed throughout the body for use as energy, fructose is targeted like a guided missile to the liver.

When large quantities of glucose are eaten, it circulates to virtually every cell in the body, helping disperse this load. Body tissue other than the liver metabolizes eighty percent of ingested glucose. Every cell in the body, including the heart, lungs, muscles, brain, and kidneys help themselves to this all-you-can-eat glucose buffet. This only leaves the remaining twenty percent of the incoming glucose load for the liver to mop up. Fructose consumptionMuch of this glucose is converted into glycogen for storage leaving a little glucose as substrate for new fat production.

The same does not hold true for fructose. Large quantities of ingested fructose goes straight to the liver, since no other cells can help utilize or metabolize it, putting significant pressure on the liver. Levels of carbohydrates and insulin may be 10 times higher here than in other parts of the circulation. Thus the liver is exposed to far higher levels of carbohydrates – both fructose and glucose than any other organ.

It is the difference between pressing down with a hammer and pressing down with a needle: all the pressure is directed onto a single point. Sucrose provides equal amounts of glucose and fructose. Where the glucose is metabolized by all 170 pounds of an average person’s tissue, an equal amount of fructose needs to be valiantly metabolized by only 5 pounds of liver. What this means practically is that fructose is likely 20 times more likely to cause fatty liver (the key problem of insulin resistance) compared to glucose alone. This explains how many primitive societies could tolerate extremely high carbohydrate diets without developing hyperinsulinemia or insulin resistance.

The liver metabolizes fructose into glucose, lactose and glycogen. There are no limitations on this system of metabolism for fructose. The more you eat, the more you metabolize. When the limited glycogen stores are full, the excess fructose is changed directly into liver fat through de novo lipogenesis. Fructose overfeeding can increase DNL five fold, and replacing glucose with a calorically equal amount of fructose increases liver fat by a massive 38% within only eight days. It is precisely this fatty liver is crucial to the development of insulin resistance.

Fructose’s propensity to cause fatty liver is unique among carbohydrates. The fatty liver directly causes insulin resistance setting in motion the vicious cycle of hyperinsulinemia – insulin resistance. Furthermore, this harmful effect of fructose does not require high blood glucose or blood insulin levels to wreak havoc. Further, this fattening effect, because it acts through fatty liver and insulin resistance, cannot be seen in the short term – only in the long term.

The metabolism of ethanol (alcohol) is quite similar to that of fructose. Once ingested, tissues can only metabolize 20% of the alcohol leaving 80% delivered straight to the liver, where it is metabolized to acetaldehyde, which stimulates de novo lipogenesis. The bottom line is that alcohol is easily turned into liver fat.

Excessive ethanol consumption is a well-known cause of fatty liver. Since the fatty liver is a critical step toward insulin resistance, it is no surprise that excessive ethanol use is also a risk factor for the development of metabolic syndrome.

Fructose and insulin resistance
That fructose overfeeding could provoke insulin resistance has been known as far back as 1980. Healthy subjects overfed 1000 calories per day of fructose showed a 25 percent worsening of their insulin sensitivity — after just seven days! Those given an extra 1000 calories per day of glucose did not manifest any similar deterioration.

Fructose insulin resistanceA more recent 2009 study reinforced how easily fructose induces insulin resistance in healthy volunteers. Subjects were fed 25 percent of their daily calories as Kool-Aid sweetened with either glucose or fructose. While this seems high, many people consume this high proportion of sugar in their diets. The fructose, but not the glucose group, had increased their insulin resistance so much that they would be clinically classified as pre-diabetes. Even more remarkable, this development only needed eight weeks of fructose overconsumption.

It only takes six days of excess fructose to cause insulin resistance. It only takes eight weeks to allow pre-diabetes to establish a beachhead. What happens after decades of high fructose consumption? The result is a diabetes disaster; precisely we are having right now. Fructose overconsumption stimulates fatty liver and leads directly to insulin resistance.

fructoseThere is definitely something sinister about overconsumption of fructose. Yes, Dr. Robert Lustig is correct. Sugar is a toxin.

Toxicity factors
Fructose is particularly toxic for several reasons. First, metabolism occurs solely within the liver, so virtually all ingested fructose becomes stored as newly created fat. In contrast, all cells can help metabolize glucose.

Secondly, fructose is metabolized without limits. More ingested fructose leads to more hepatic de novo lipogenesis and more liver fat. No natural brakes exist to slow down over production of new fat. Fructose directly stimulates DNL independently of insulin, since dietary fructose has minimal effect on blood glucose or serum insulin levels.

Fructose metabolism is less tightly regulated. Thus, it can overwhelm the export machinery of the liver leading to excessive buildup of fat in the liver. We’ll talk more about how the liver tries to rid itself of the newly created fat in the next chapter.

Thirdly, there is no alternative runoff pathway for fructose. Excess glucose is stored safely and easily in the liver as glycogen. When needed, glycogen is broken back into glucose for easy access to energy. Fructose has no mechanism for easy storage. It is metabolized to fat, which cannot be easily reversed.

While fructose is a natural sugar, and part of the human diet since antiquity, we must always remember the first principle of toxicology. The dose makes the poison. The body has the ability to handle a small amount of fructose. This does not mean it can handle unlimited amounts of it without adverse health consequences.

Conclusions
Fructose was once considered harmless because its low glycemic index. In the short-term, there are few obvious health risks. Instead, fructose exerts its toxicity mainly through long-term effects on fatty liver and insulin resistance. This effect is often measured in decades, leading to considerable debate.

Sucrose or high fructose corn syrup, with roughly equal parts of glucose and fructose, therefore plays a dual role in obesity and type 2 diabetes. These are not simply ‘empty calories’. It is something far more sinister as people are slowly coming to realize.

Glucose is a refined carbohydrate that directly stimulates insulin. However, much of it can be directly burned for energy leaving only smaller amounts to be metabolized at the liver. Nevertheless, very high consumption of glucose may also lead to fatty liver. The effects of glucose are immediately obvious in the blood glucose and insulin responses.

Fructose overconsumption directly produces fatty liver, which in turn directly creates insulin resistance. Fructose is five to ten times more likely than glucose to cause fatty liver. This sets off a vicious cycle. Insulin resistance leads to hyperinsulinemia, to ‘overcome’ this resistance. However, this backfires, as the hyperinsulinemia, made worse by the attendant glucose load, leads to further insulin resistance.

Sucrose therefore stimulates insulin production both in the short term and in the long term. In this way, sucrose is far, far more menacing than starches that contain glucose, such as amylopectin. Looking at the glycemic index, the effect of glucose is obvious, but the effect of fructose is completely hidden. This fact has long misled scientists to downplay the role of sugar in obesity.

The additional fattening effect of insulin resistance festers for years or even decades before it becomes apparent. Short-term feeding studies completely miss this effect. A recent systemic analysis, by analyzing many studies lasting less a week, concluded that fructose shows no special effect outside of its calories. But fructose’s effects, as well as obesity, develop over decades, not weeks. If we were to analyze only short-term studies of smoking, we might make the same mistake and similarly conclude that smoking does not cause lung cancer.

Lustig1Cutting back on sugars and sweets has always been the first step in weight reduction in virtually all diets throughout history. Sucrose is not simply empty calories or refined carbohydrates. It is far more hazardous, since it stimulates both insulin and insulin resistance simultaneously. Our ancestors have always known this fact, even if they did not know the physiology.

We have tried to deny this during our 50-year obsession with calories. In our effort to blame everything on calories, we have not recognized the inherent danger of fructose overconsumption. But the truth cannot be denied forever, and there was a price for ignorance. We paid for the caloric pied piper with the twin epidemics of type 2 diabetes and obesity. But the uniquely fattening effect of sugar has finally been recognized once again. This was a long repressed truth.

So, when Dr. Lustig presented his lecture on a lonely stage in 2009 and declared that sugar was toxic, the world listened with rapt attention. Because this professor of endocrinology was telling us something we already, instinctively knew to be true. Despite all the platitudes and the reassurances that sugar was not a problem, the world already knew, in its heart, the real truth. Sugar is a toxin.

—
Jason Fung

[abijah`]

this seems proper unhealthy

loading yourself up with fruit sugars and cutting out all actual nutrient-dense foods like meat and veggies from your diet..

hard pass.

[The Holy Decoy]

loading yourself up with fruit sugars and cutting out all actual nutrient-dense foods like meat and veggies from your diet..

There are other simians eating almost entirely fruit that are several times stronger than humans. They seem to get plenty of actual nutrients.

Sugar is a toxin.

Processed sugar, including the fructose processed sugar you can buy in the store, is not healthy. There is a big difference between processed sugar and ripe, fresh, raw fruit.

Another thing to consider is that combining fruit with cooked food causes fermentation and putrefaction, stopping proper food digestion. Unwanted toxic by-products, like alcohol, are created.

If you properly eat only ripe, fresh, raw fruit, you will experience detoxification and healing. Robert and Loren both have many years of living and teaching this way of life to many people:

https://youtu.be/yVEpytsttfc?t=285
https://youtu.be/NLtxghNXB1w?t=239
https://youtu.be/7yfGTmgS4QA

[Silver Pie]

I've seen some pretty fantastic claims made by people that eat only fruit.

Does anyone here have any experiences with this?

I went to a convention in California some years ago. It was supposed to be a combo health-politics, but only one speaker was speaking about health. He was a fruitarian and extolled the virtues of a fruit-only diet - and he had a grayish unhealthy look about him. He wasn't there the next year and I wondered if he hadn't been invited or if he had died.


(P.S. on the political side, I was able to buy Harry's War from one of the vendors.)

[The Holy Decoy]

I've seen some pretty fantastic claims made by people that eat only fruit.

Does anyone here have any experiences with this?

I went to a convention in California some years ago. It was supposed to be a combo health-politics, but only one speaker was speaking about health. He was a fruitarian and extolled the virtues of a fruit-only diet - and he had a grayish unhealthy look about him. He wasn't there the next year and I wondered if he hadn't been invited or if he had died.

Adam and Eve must have looked pretty funny coming out of the garden of eden then. Good thing they started eating bread soon thereafter to fix their complexion problems.

[Silver Pie]

I think fruit is a good diet to use for cleansing the body, but I don't think it should be one's main diet.

To be clear, I'm talking fruit here, not vegetables. The man I mentioned was a fruitarian, which is a subspecies (so to speak) of vegetarianism.

And, since I've read the other posts, I'm seeing a possible reason the man looked a bit gray and unhealthy.

[The Holy Decoy]

I think fruit is a good diet to use for cleansing the body, but I don't think it should be one's main diet.

Living on fruit alone becomes much easier once the body is fully clean, fully functional, and fully efficient.

The bodies of most people are very dehydrated and toxic from a lifetime of eating cooked food. Eating only fruit and drinking plenty of water will only get you so far. For most people to fully cleanse and detoxify their bodies, they're going to need to do multiple extended water fasts of 21 or more days.

[Silver Pie]

Adam and Eve must have looked pretty funny coming out of the garden of eden then. Good thing they started eating bread soon thereafter to fix their complexion problems.

Um, I don't remember mentioning bread.

The grayness in this guy's flesh was not a complexion problem. Most healthy people, if they're white people, have a reddish cast to their skin. Blood flow maybe? I don't know. Having a grey tint to your skin is not a good sign. (Being so white you look like you're dead isn't a good sign, either.)

Adam and Eve's body hadn't had the years worth of ancestral degeneration ours have had. Though the scriptures mention fruit, I'm sure they freely ate anything that was a plant.

[Silver Pie]

To tell you the truth, I don't know what color Adam and Eve were. The assumption is that they were caucasian. If they were, they could have still had quite a variety of skin tones, and I'm pretty sure that ash was not one of them.