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markharr wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 12:47 pm It's microwave radiation so i'm sure it isn't good for you but I doubt that it's any more dangerous than any of the other technologies that you pointed out.

The Creator wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 1:07 pm

markharr wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 12:47 pm It's microwave radiation so i'm sure it isn't good for you but I doubt that it's any more dangerous than any of the other technologies that you pointed out.

Right, but the danger is based on the strength of the signal not just the fact that it's a micro-wave.

harakim wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 1:40 pm It is dangerous because it allows monitoring devices to be placed anywhere and have upload capability, meaning you have nowhere to hide.

harakim wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 1:40 pm It is dangerous because it allows monitoring devices to be placed anywhere and have upload capability, meaning you have nowhere to hide.

markharr wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 2:34 pm

harakim wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 1:40 pm It is dangerous because it allows monitoring devices to be placed anywhere and have upload capability, meaning you have nowhere to hide.

How is that different from 4g other than 5g can send more data?

4g can still do high resolution video in real time. People do it all the time with facetime and video streaming from their mobile devices.

harakim wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 5:19 pm

markharr wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 2:34 pm

harakim wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 1:40 pm It is dangerous because it allows monitoring devices to be placed anywhere and have upload capability, meaning you have nowhere to hide.

How is that different from 4g other than 5g can send more data?

4g can still do high resolution video in real time. People do it all the time with facetime and video streaming from their mobile devices.

5G is supposed to be everywhere, which is why it costs 2 trillion dollars. When you travel a lot, you find out that 4G is fairly sparse. Most of the places I have driven lately don't even have cell service once you get off the interstate.

The Creator wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 12:36 pm Every time a new wireless technology is released there are a lot of people claiming it's dangerous.

As far as I can tell, cell phone signals and WiFi have actually been getting safer over the years.

I understand why some people think 5G is more dangerous: Higher band frequencies above 24 GHz reaching up to 72 GHz (as opposed to older technology being 5 GHz or less). Also the reach of the signal is shorter, so more cells (towers) are required - meaning the source of the signal is closer to you as well.

And we know that the military has created weapons that use sound frequencies to disable people (sonic weapons). But the strength of the signal would actually be one of the main factors that determines how dangerous it is. For example, with the sonic weapons, "tests performed on mice show the threshold for both lung and liver damage occurs at about 184 dB." However, it takes a lot of power to get to 184 dB.

For comparison, most wireless routers (WiFi) in a home output at about 250mW (1/4th of a watt), some do get up to about 1W, but those are uncommon.

"Antenna transmission power is anywhere between 250mW (expressed as 24 dBm) for a Small Cell, and 120W for the largest 5G MIMO arrays (which is 50 dBm). A typical 2G, 3G, or 4G antenna has got a transmission power of 20W (43 dBm)."

"A Small Cell is comparable to a WLAN access point, and you can come pretty close. We assume a distance of 10 m and get a path loss of 7.3+37.6=44.9dB. Subtraction of path loss from transmission power gives 24dBm – 45dB = -21dBm, which corresponds to approximately 8 µW. (µW is the 1 millionth part of a Watt)"

"A 5G macro cell antenna will be placed up on a tower or on the roof of a high building. Height above ground is thus some 30 m, and we assume a position in 100 m distance from the antenna. Path loss can be calculated to as =82.5dB. The received power is 50 dBm – 82.5 dB = -32 dBm, which is less than one µW." (source)

Mobile phone comparison: "The phone next to your head is transmitting at a maximum about 200mW (which is 23 dBm). That is at least 10,000 times more than the signal received from the tower. Typical transmission power values of phones are a lot lower, though. The base station at the tower controls the power of the phone. It sets phone transmission power to a level so that all phone signals are received at approximately the same strength. If you are near a tower, your phone will transmit at a minimum level (which is below one milliwatt, again). Only if the reception from the tower is very bad, your phone will be commanded to increase transmission power. It may sound crazy, but: more mobile base stations mean less overall radiation levels.

"The power of phone transmission has gone down since the first generations of mobile communication. In GSM phones were allowed to transmit up to 1.0W (sometimes even 2W)" (source)

So, older cell phones were seemingly more dangerous.

Can anyone add some additional data/evidence of why 5G might be dangerous? Is there something I'm missing regarding this? I would like to be better educated on this topic.

markharr wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 5:51 pm

harakim wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 5:19 pm

markharr wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 2:34 pm

harakim wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 1:40 pm It is dangerous because it allows monitoring devices to be placed anywhere and have upload capability, meaning you have nowhere to hide.

How is that different from 4g other than 5g can send more data?

4g can still do high resolution video in real time. People do it all the time with facetime and video streaming from their mobile devices.

5G is supposed to be everywhere, which is why it costs 2 trillion dollars. When you travel a lot, you find out that 4G is fairly sparse. Most of the places I have driven lately don't even have cell service once you get off the interstate.

4g is not at all sparse. 5g may have more coverage but basically anywhere that has even small populations of people has 4g coverage.

This surveliance network is already in place with 4g. Look at the size of the data center in Draper. Your license plate and location is likely already recorded at least once a day. If not by a camera on a patrol car, by a fixed camera somewhere on the roads or stoplights.

We have already sold ourselves into bondage. We are like the people of Zeniff in the BOM. The only way we are getting out of it is to repent and beg god to deliver us.

The Creator wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 8:20 pm I like the explanations in this one:

markharr wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 12:47 pm It's microwave radiation so i'm sure it isn't good for you but I doubt that it's any more dangerous than any of the other technologies that you pointed out.

markharr wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 12:47 pm It's microwave radiation so i'm sure it isn't good for you but I doubt that it's any more dangerous than any of the other technologies that you pointed out.

The Creator wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 12:36 pm Every time a new wireless technology is released there are a lot of people claiming it's dangerous.

As far as I can tell, cell phone signals and WiFi have actually been getting safer over the years.

The Creator wrote: ↑April 1st, 2020, 12:36 pm Every time a new wireless technology is released there are a lot of people claiming it's dangerous.

As far as I can tell, cell phone signals and WiFi have actually been getting safer over the years.

I understand why some people think 5G is more dangerous: Higher band frequencies above 24 GHz reaching up to 72 GHz (as opposed to older technology being 5 GHz or less). Also the reach of the signal is shorter, so more cells (towers) are required - meaning the source of the signal is closer to you as well.

And we know that the military has created weapons that use sound frequencies to disable people (sonic weapons). But the strength of the signal would actually be one of the main factors that determines how dangerous it is. For example, with the sonic weapons, "tests performed on mice show the threshold for both lung and liver damage occurs at about 184 dB." However, it takes a lot of power to get to 184 dB.

For comparison, most wireless routers (WiFi) in a home output at about 250mW (1/4th of a watt), some do get up to about 1W, but those are uncommon.

"Antenna transmission power is anywhere between 250mW (expressed as 24 dBm) for a Small Cell, and 120W for the largest 5G MIMO arrays (which is 50 dBm). A typical 2G, 3G, or 4G antenna has got a transmission power of 20W (43 dBm)."

"A Small Cell is comparable to a WLAN access point, and you can come pretty close. We assume a distance of 10 m and get a path loss of 7.3+37.6=44.9dB. Subtraction of path loss from transmission power gives 24dBm – 45dB = -21dBm, which corresponds to approximately 8 µW. (µW is the 1 millionth part of a Watt)"

"A 5G macro cell antenna will be placed up on a tower or on the roof of a high building. Height above ground is thus some 30 m, and we assume a position in 100 m distance from the antenna. Path loss can be calculated to as =82.5dB. The received power is 50 dBm – 82.5 dB = -32 dBm, which is less than one µW." (source)

Mobile phone comparison: "The phone next to your head is transmitting at a maximum about 200mW (which is 23 dBm). That is at least 10,000 times more than the signal received from the tower. Typical transmission power values of phones are a lot lower, though. The base station at the tower controls the power of the phone. It sets phone transmission power to a level so that all phone signals are received at approximately the same strength. If you are near a tower, your phone will transmit at a minimum level (which is below one milliwatt, again). Only if the reception from the tower is very bad, your phone will be commanded to increase transmission power. It may sound crazy, but: more mobile base stations mean less overall radiation levels.

"The power of phone transmission has gone down since the first generations of mobile communication. In GSM phones were allowed to transmit up to 1.0W (sometimes even 2W)" (source)

So, older cell phones were seemingly more dangerous.

Can anyone add some additional data/evidence of why 5G might be dangerous? Is there something I'm missing regarding this? I would like to be better educated on this topic.