The messengers in the scriptures taught the Gospel which tells people that the Holy Ghost will tell them all things to do. They tell people to not trust in the arm of flesh but to put their trust in the spirit. They teach that anyone whom the Lord calls directly can speak for the Lord, even when they are not sustained or recognized by the church or group.(Like how Jesus was called.) They, even the Lord directly several times in the D&C teach that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is faith, Repentance, baptism and then comes the Holy Ghost. The prophets and the Lord in the scriptures tell us that these principles are the doctrines of Christ and there is no other doctrine until he visits us in the flesh. They tells us to that to add to or take away from these doctrines and call it Christ's doctrine comes of evil and opens the gates of hell. The Scriptures teach repeatedly that the fulness of the Ghost of Jesus Christ is found in the Book of Mormon as taught by Christ.Sarah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2022, 9:36 amYou said: "There are some in the church like myself who teach the doctrines of Christ as spelled out in the scriptures. His sheep hear his voice and they come to him. Those who are not his sheep look for messengers and positions to follow rather than following his voice. They are not his sheep because they don't know or follow his voice."Amonhi wrote: ↑July 27th, 2022, 5:38 pmIf the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Doctrine & Covenants are correct and they agree in stating the mind and will of the Lord saying,Sarah wrote: ↑July 27th, 2022, 1:50 pmJoseph Smith taught more than those basics, so what do you think of the church he started?Amonhi wrote: ↑July 27th, 2022, 1:42 pm
To teach and spread his doctrines which all together form his Gospel. Jesus said that for an organization to be HIS church, it must meet two requirements.
- I must be called in his name.
- It must teach his doctrine.
His doctrines which form the fulness of his Gospel which the church is required to be built on to be his church, are:That's it. Those are the only doctrines of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and the fulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Adding to or taking away from that list and calling it the doctrines of Christ comes of evil, opens the gates of hell to receive people and makes the church not Christ's church.
- Faith in Christ
- True Repentance = Broken heart and a contrite spirit
- Baptism by Water
- then cometh the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost, even the Comforter, which showeth all things that you should do.
This was plainly taught in 2 Nephi 31 which concludes by saying,
It was taught again by Jesus in 3 Nephi 11 after which he concluded by saying,
It has been taught and declared over and over again by the Lord and his prophets, for example:
That is why he organized the church. It was organized to spread his gospel which consists of all his doctrines and only his doctrines. Any organization that teaches more or less than this and calls it his doctrine is not his church and is not doing his work, but is opening the gates of hell to receive people.
Enduring to the end means following the Holy Ghost which tells us the words of Christ/God/the Iron rod which brings us to the end of the path which is eternal life.
Peace,
Amonhi...then Christ's true church will not teach more or less than what is spelled out in 2 Nephi 31, 3 Nephi 11 and call it "the doctrine of Christ". If they teach more or less than what Jesus clearly stated as the only and true doctrine of the Father, son and Holy Ghost, AND they call it Christ's doctrine, then it is not and cannot be Christ's church because Christ's church does not teach things that come of evil and opens the gates of hell to receive people.3 Nephi 11
39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and whoso buildeth upon this buildeth upon my rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them.
40 And whoso shall declare more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine, the same cometh of evil, and is not built upon my rock; but he buildeth upon a sandy foundation, and the gates of hell stand open to receive such when the floods come and the winds beat upon them.
This does not mean that Christ's church cannot teach other principles, truths, etc. As long as the church's only "Doctrine" is aligned with Christ's only "Doctrine", then it is Christ's church and they can teach anything they want because the Doctrine says that the Holy Ghost will teach you all things and show you all things that you should do. That means that in Christ's church people follow the Holy Ghost which is the mind and will of God and not men.
If the church teaches more or less than this and calls it "doctrine" then the church's doctrine is not aligned with Christ's doctrine/gospel and it is not and cannot be Christ's church. (see 3 Nephi 27:8) Christ's Church only teaches Christ's doctrine as "doctrine" and has no other "doctrines". These doctrines are the only doctrines of God the Father, the son and the Holy Ghost, they had better be the only doctrines of Christ's church. If it is good enough for them, then it is good enough for his church. It becomes the foundation on which everything the Church teaches and does is based.
If the church is built on that foundation, then it doesn't matter what else the church or any member of the church or any pretended Holy person in the church teaches because the true members of Christ's church will listen to and follow the Holy Ghost which tells them the philosophies of men from the scripture.
Joseph Smith restored the fulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as spelled out in the scriptures. Few members are taught this or understand it or follow it today. Today, leaders of the church all the way up to the President of the church teach things that they call the doctrines of Christ which are not. In doing so they open the gates of hell to receive people. The most common of these false doctrines taught in the church today is "Follow the Prophet" which is a doctrine that is in exact opposition to the doctrine of Christ which tells us to only follow the spirit. It is also in direct contradiction of D&C 121:41-42, D&C 50:19-20 and several other instructions by the Lord.
Also, you seem to thing that people can't follow the plan without a righteous church with righteous leadership. Our personal progression does not require a righteous church or leadership.
Anna and Simeon lived in Jerusalem when Jesus was born. They lived and grew up into the Law of Moses and Church system that had been led astray and was corrupted. They had to deal with everything wrong with the church including the false teachings and lack of true authority. Yet, these two people had received the Holy Ghost which led them to Jesus and helped them recognize Jesus as a baby. You don't need a righteous church or priesthood authority or ordinances to come to Christ and receive the Holy Ghost and follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There are countless similar stories showing this throughout the scriptures. Every restoration that ever happened was the result of a person seeking righteousness, living in a time where the church was corrupt and didn't have priesthood authority. In each instance, the person figured out that they needed to go to God directly which is the Gospel plan. Every one of us is in apostacy until we go to God directly and overcome our own personal fall from God's presence by receiving the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. No one can do it for you. No prophet or president of the church or righteous church organization can overcome your own personal apostacy for you. You must do it for yourself or remain in apostacy from God. The only way to overcome your own personal apostacy is to repent with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, and receive the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost which brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost. Then and only then are you worthy of being baptized, (D&C 20:37, 3 Nephi 7:25). If you are baptized before this, then you have broken the commandment of the Lord, (D&C 20:37), and you are not worthy of being a member of Christ's church, (Mosiah 26:21 & 28).
The fact that you don't know this is a testimony to what you have been taught by the church you attend and believe in. The fact that you think the doctrines of Christ include many more things than what is taught by Jesus and his prophets in the scriptures is a testimony to you that the church today is not Christ's church because it teaches doctrines that come of evil and open the gates of hell to receive you.
Only those who know and follow the true doctrines of Christ are built on the rock from which they cannot fall. Within the church there are those who are built on the rock and follow the doctrines of Christ and those who are not and do not. The Wheat and the Tares. They both do the same things, but for different reasons. Some are spiritually alive and some are spiritually dead. There will be a time when the tares are gathered together and cast into the fire. There are many tares in leadership positions in the church, teachings false doctrines. They are the thieves and robbers Jesus spoke of who entered in but not by the gate/door. They are thieves and robbers because they are teaching doctrines that take people away from Christ and his Church and his gospel.
There are some in the church like myself who teach the doctrines of Christ as spelled out in the scriptures. His sheep hear his voice and they come to him. Those who are not his sheep look for messengers and positions to follow rather than following his voice. They are not his sheep because they don't know or follow his voice.
Peace,
Amonhi
You claim to hear his voice, and so do I, and so do the prophets and apostles of our church. You claim to teach out of the scriptures, but the scriptures are filled with messengers. The scriptures were written by messengers and people with "positions," so if you are going off the scriptures, you too are looking to messengers to know the truth.
The church teaches to follow your leaders especially the prophet and that if your personal revelation contradicts the teachings of the church, then you trust the church and the prophet over the Holy Ghost. They teach a distorted Gospel which Jesus specifically said comes of evil and opens the gates of hell. They teach that the fulness of the Gospel is found in the Book of Mormon indirectly, but not taught completely by anyone specifically.
Now, I've shown in the scriptures exactly what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is and all of the doctrines that are accepted by the Father, the son and the Holy Ghost. I've shown that to teach more or less than this as Christ's doctrine and Gospel comes of evil and opens the gates of hell.
Can you tell me that the church does not teach more than these principles as the doctrine of Christ?
Peace,
Amonhi