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Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 26th, 2020, 4:44 pm
by EmmaLee
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz ... ing%20News

MAY 25, 2020
The CDC confirms remarkably low coronavirus death rate. Where is the media?
Will they ever admit the grave consequences of their errors?

Most people are more likely to wind up six feet under because of almost anything else under the sun other than COVID-19.

The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.

Until now, we have been ridiculed for thinking the death rate was that low, as opposed to the 3.4% estimate of the World Health Organization, which helped drive the panic and the lockdowns. Now the CDC is agreeing to the lower rate in plain ink.

Plus, ultimately we might find out that the IFR is even lower because numerous studies and hard counts of confined populations have shown a much higher percentage of asymptomatic cases. Simply adjusting for a 50% asymptomatic rate would drop their fatality rate to 0.2% – exactly the rate of fatality Dr. John Ionnidis of Stanford University projected.

More importantly, as I mentioned before, the overall death rate is meaningless because the numbers are so lopsided. Given that at least half of the deaths were in nursing homes, a back-of-the-envelope estimate would show that the infection fatality rate for non-nursing home residents would only be 0.1% or 1 in 1,000. And that includes people of all ages and all health statuses outside of nursing homes. Since nearly all of the deaths are those with comorbidities.

The CDC estimates the death rate from COVID-19 for those under 50 is 1 in 5,000 for those with symptoms, which would be 1 in 6,725 overall, but again, almost all those who die have specific comorbidities or underlying conditions. Those without them are more likely to die in a car accident. And schoolchildren, whose lives, mental health, and education we are destroying, are more likely to get struck by lightning.

To put this in perspective, one Twitter commentator juxtaposed the age-separated infection fatality rates in Spain to the average yearly probability of dying of anything for the same age groups, based on data from the Social Security Administration. He used Spain because we don't have a detailed infection fatality rate estimate for each age group from any survey in the U.S. However, we know that Spain fared worse than almost every other country. This data is actually working with a top-line IFR of 1%, roughly four times what the CDC estimates for the U.S., so if anything, the corresponding numbers for the U.S. will be lower.

As you can see, even in Spain, the death rates from COVID-19 for younger people are very low and are well below the annual death rate for any age group in a given year. For children, despite their young age, they are 10-30 times more likely to die from other causes in any given year.

While obviously yearly death rates factor in myriad of causes of death and COVID-19 is just one virus, it still provides much-needed perspective to a public policy response that is completely divorced from the risk for all but the oldest and sickest people in the country.

Also, keep in mind, these numbers represent your chance of dying once you have already contracted the virus, aka the infection fatality rate. Once you couple the chance of contracting the virus in the first place together with the chance of dying from it, many younger people have a higher chance of dying from a lightning strike.

Four infectious disease doctors in Canada estimate that the individual rate of death from COVID-19 for people under 65 years of age is six per million people, or 0.0006 per cent – 1 in 166,666, which is "roughly equivalent to the risk of dying from a motor vehicle accident during the same time period." These numbers are for Canada, which did have fewer deaths per capita than the U.S.; however, if you take New York City and its surrounding counties out of the equation, the two countries are pretty much the same. Also, remember, so much of the death is associated with the suicidal political decisions of certain states and countries to place COVID-19 patients in nursing homes. An astounding 62 percent of all COVID-19 deaths were in the six states confirmed to have done this, even though they only compose 18 percent of the national population.

We destroyed our entire country and suspended democracy all for a lie, and these people perpetrated the unscientific degree of panic. Will they ever admit the grave consequences of their error?

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 26th, 2020, 5:36 pm
by Jason
topcat wrote: May 26th, 2020, 1:09 pm
2 Nephi 10:

11 And this land shall be a land of liberty unto the Gentiles, and there shall be no kings upon the land, who shall raise up unto the Gentiles.

Me: Is a king someone who calls themselves king? Or should we be looking at the characteristics of a leader who considers himself to be greater than the rest, who governs without regard to the Constitution or restrictions on presidential power? If we're talking the latter, then we've had kings for quite a while.

12 And I will fortify this land against all other nations.

Me: What is "this land". If it's the land occupied by the United States of America, or even Canada, and Mexico, and ALL of North and South America, it seems "this land" has been protected by other invading nations. I can't think of a war when a power outside of N. and S. America has invaded the land (since America was founded). But if "this land" is referring to the land of the New Jerusalem, then that would be yet future. I think it's a combination.

13 And he that fighteth against Zion shall perish, saith God.

Me: What is Zion? Joseph Smith famously said it's all of North and South America. Interesting. And yet, the Scriptures also identify the New Jerusalem as Zion.

14 For he that raiseth up a king against me shall perish, for I, the Lord, the king of heaven, will be their king, and I will be a light unto them forever, that hear my words.

Me: "Against me" implies the Lord's jurisdiction is being threatened, doesn't it? "Will be their king". Whose king? King over those "that hear [His] words." "King" must refer to a political figure, and that figure must oppose the Lord's kingdom, which, as Joseph defined it, includes God's chosen legal administrator. Could verse 14 be fulfilled right now? Is Christ beign opposed now by the state? Well, that's been happening for THOUSANDS of years. Though I think the Covid-19 hoax is a Satanic attack on Liberty and Christ, I still think God must first gain a legal foothold of some kind FIRST, and then the threatening begins.

15 Wherefore, for this cause, that my covenants may be fulfilled which I have made unto the children of men, that I will do unto them while they are in the flesh, I must needs destroy the secret works of darkness, and of murders, and of abominations.

Me: Jason, this is the verse you're referring to that may be PRE Second Coming. If this is previous to the Second Coming, and I tend to think it IS referring to a pre Millennial day, then that means there must be a fulfillment of his covenants occurring. So now we have two things: the Lord's legal jurisdiction (something for Him to defend, and that can be assaulted) has been purchased with money (perhaps DC 101:56), and a covenant being fulfilled.

16 Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for they are they who are the whore of all the earth; for they who are not for me are against me, saith our God.

Me: If Zion is defined as a specific place with the covenant being fulfilled there, then the Lord says it doesn't matter who you are, YOU WILL PERISH. There will be a choice. Either declare your loyalty to Christ by joining by covenant and by locating in God's legal jurisdiction, or God says you'll perish, probably in large measure by the wicked killing the wicked.

17 For I will fulfil my promises which I have made unto the children of men, that I will do unto them while they are in the flesh—

Me: This is referring to the covenant no doubt, which the Lord will administer through a legal administrator.

18 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, thus saith our God: I will afflict thy seed by the hand of the Gentiles; nevertheless, I will soften the hearts of the Gentiles, that they shall be like unto a father to them; wherefore, the Gentiles shall be blessed and numbered among the house of Israel.

Me: Some of the Gentiles will have hard hearts, and some soft. Those who have pliable hearts will be numbered among the house of Israel.

19 Wherefore, I will consecrate this land unto thy seed, and them who shall be numbered among thy seed, forever, for the land of their inheritance; for it is a choice land, saith God unto me, above all other lands, wherefore I will have all men that dwell thereon that they shall worship me, saith God.

Me: "[Having] ALL men...worship" the Lord reiterates the choice that is coming. Either you'll be for the kingdom of God, where the Lord's administrator will have administered the covenant, or you'll be on the outside looking in.

To your point, Jason, perhaps indeed that previous to the Second Coming that the Lord will "destroy the secret works of darkness, and of murders, and of abominations."

If this is the case, then something extraordinary must occur BEFORE the Lord comes. Given that the secret works of darkness control the United States and the world governments, that means that the governments of the world MUST INEVITABLY be destroyed.

And piecing this together, I'm guessing that the Lord's destruction of said governments (esp the United States government) will be triggered when the U.S. moves "against Zion" (v. 13 and 16) or the Lord (v. 14). Also see Isa 29.

For this trigger event to happen, covenant Zion must be established first (land must be chosen by the Lord and duly purchased) without haste in some form (this would be the New Jerusalem), and the government must move against it.

Then the criminal conspiracies that run things will be dealt with by the Lord!
Your interpretation is as good as any...I have some divergent thoughts but I have no crystal ball so its pure speculation the same.

That said...sometimes what we might consider needs to happen has already happened. For example, the sun being darkened and the moon blood red was 9/11 (liberally applying that - although Pres. Hinckley said the prophesy fulfilled a couple weeks later on Sat morning conference so I don't believe overly liberal application)....yet how many still look for the fulfillment of that prophecy?

Looking at it in that light...the covenants were established for Zion, the land duly purchased, and the government moved against it....but it was roughly 173 +/- years ago...give or take based on chain of events at that time. So is it yet to come...or already happened in a way we haven't calculated???

In my mind...the election (or whether it doesn't happen) will be good indicator of king on the land...but pure opinion and personal interpretation/speculation.

My understanding of prophecy is Zion in terms of government/law will be established in North American but rapidly grow to encapsulate both North and South America.

You also have the young South American lions prophecy...but Cleon Skousen claimed Pres. Hinckley told him repentance would come by way of the plague. Is COVID-19 the plague? Or will they unleash something much more deadly? Perhaps because they aren't getting their way?

The craziest part about all of it and all of our various speculations and thoughts on the matter.....WE ARE LIVING IT!!!!

Not some thing or event 20 or 50 or 100 years down the road....we are in the middle of it all rapidly watching it unfold before our very eyes. Missionaries called home, church at home, temples closed, etc etc etc.

And some very serious decision points...

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 26th, 2020, 5:40 pm
by Vision
Great8 wrote: May 25th, 2020, 1:01 pm My mother was in a memory care facility for the last 8 months. She fell on May 7th and died May 13th. Her face and head were banged up pretty badly. Hospice was brought in. When she died, the hospice recorded her death as an infectious disease. I learned of this only from the mortuary. I have been working with the county coroner to get this fixed. She was not exposed nor had the Covid-19 virus. Apparently, the hospice can collect $39k for this. Completely disgusting.
This information needs to be made public.

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 26th, 2020, 8:42 pm
by Jason
Vision wrote: May 26th, 2020, 5:40 pm
Great8 wrote: May 25th, 2020, 1:01 pm My mother was in a memory care facility for the last 8 months. She fell on May 7th and died May 13th. Her face and head were banged up pretty badly. Hospice was brought in. When she died, the hospice recorded her death as an infectious disease. I learned of this only from the mortuary. I have been working with the county coroner to get this fixed. She was not exposed nor had the Covid-19 virus. Apparently, the hospice can collect $39k for this. Completely disgusting.
This information needs to be made public.
already is...discussed in Plandemic

here's a source for the documentary that should be stable for awhile

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/arti ... ntary.aspx

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 9:51 am
by EmmaLee
https://www.theblaze.com/news/fauci-sec ... ing%20News

MAY 28, 2020
Fauci changes tune, now says second COVID-19 wave may never happen — and mask-wearing is symbolic

Dr. Anthony Fauci now says that a second wave of COVID-19 may not even happen and that wearing a mask is largely symbolic at this point.

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 9:58 am
by justme
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:51 am https://www.theblaze.com/news/fauci-sec ... ing%20News

MAY 28, 2020
Fauci changes tune, now says second COVID-19 wave may never happen — and mask-wearing is symbolic

Dr. Anthony Fauci now says that a second wave of COVID-19 may not even happen and that wearing a mask is largely symbolic at this point.
Thanks for the link. Excellent example of importance of reading the entire piece to catch context and meaning. I do think that Fauci knows the importance of the word "and" in logical context :D .

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 2:45 pm
by Thinker
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:51 am MAY 28, 2020
Fauci changes tune, now says second COVID-19 wave may never happen — and mask-wearing is symbolic
It was always symbolic - muzzling free speech and religious rights - like beasts.

From the article ^...
”He pointed out that a second wave is entirely preventable if the U.S. is able to have the "workforce, the system, and the will to do the kinds of things that are the clear and effective identification, isolation, and contact tracing."
In other words... the man behind the curtain says that he won’t inflict another pandemic IF (& that’s a huge IF) - Americans allow military into their homes to give them shots or else take anyone they want out of homes to quarantine camps.

In HR 6666, funding is being asked to be abe to do it. They just need to reduce fears enough to employ more people to play along...
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... /6666/text


Who is this Fauci guy anyway?
”DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, POINT MAN ON CORONAVIRUS, IS A {JESUIT}HOLY CROSS ALUM”, BOSTON-GLOBE, MARCH 17TH 2020
https://zaidpub.com/2020/04/07/dr-antho ... 17th-2020/

I believe, though there’s more to learn, that those pulling the strings are affiliated with secret societies like at Yale & the Pope/Jesuits as well as the stolen state of Israel/pretend-Jews/Protocols. Yet notice the website below... They play both sides... the left for depopulation of “goyim” & the right for religious mind-control supporting the stealing of Israel, causing +5,000,000 Palestinians refugees, & worshipping Jews as infallible & untouchable lest you be called anti-semetic. What kind of group embraces a book published, “How To Kill Goyim And Influence People”?

Dr. Fauci & Bill Gates, History of Corruption, Greed and Connection to Wuhan Lab
http://thejewishvoice.com/2020/05/bombs ... wuhan-lab/

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 4:23 pm
by creator
BREAKING NEWS: Fake Pandemic Still Fake - This Fact Is More Obvious Every Day

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 6:24 pm
by EmmaLee
justme wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:58 am
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:51 am https://www.theblaze.com/news/fauci-sec ... ing%20News

MAY 28, 2020
Fauci changes tune, now says second COVID-19 wave may never happen — and mask-wearing is symbolic

Dr. Anthony Fauci now says that a second wave of COVID-19 may not even happen and that wearing a mask is largely symbolic at this point.
Thanks for the link. Excellent example of importance of reading the entire piece to catch context and meaning. I do think that Fauci knows the importance of the word "and" in logical context :D .
I did read the entire piece - got all the context and meaning - but thanks for the not-so-subtle condescension and insults. Fauci is an a-hole - but I think it's hilariously ironic that even he is now saying masks are symbolic at this point and worn only to show "respect" to those ruled by fear in our society.

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 6:28 pm
by EmmaLee
Thinker wrote: May 28th, 2020, 2:45 pm
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:51 am MAY 28, 2020
Fauci changes tune, now says second COVID-19 wave may never happen — and mask-wearing is symbolic
It was always symbolic - muzzling free speech and religious rights - like beasts.
Exactly right. The Church leaders removed the veil over our faces in the temple, but now we have to wear "veils" everywhere we go (and no doubt will be expected to at church when it resumes; I will not, of course) - just an interesting thought I had a few weeks ago....

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 7:00 pm
by EmmaLee
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/h ... fc7fadfbd4

28 May 2020
Fauci on Masks, NO; Fauci on Masks, YES. Which Fauci Should We Believe?

One thing about our Dr. Anthony Fauci is that he really does have something for everyone: If you don’t like his position, just wait a bit — he’ll change it.

Just consider face masks. Fauci now says that everybody should wear one in public, that he does as a “symbol” of right action, and that it shows “respect for another person.” But what also shows respect is telling the truth. And how does the good doctor measure up there?

You be the judge. First we had March Fauci: “No, right now, people should not be wearing — there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask,” he told CBS’s 60 Minutes on March 8.

“When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better, and it might even block a droplet. But it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is,” Fauci 3.0 continued. “And often there are unintended consequences; people keep fiddling with the mask, and they keep touching their face.”

Interviewer Dr. Jon LaPook then asked, “Then, can you get some schmutz, sort of, staying inside there?”

“Of course, of course,” Fauci responded (video below).

But then there’s Early May Fauci, who may (and actually does) say differently. He stated during remote Senate testimony a couple of weeks back that people should wear masks whenever they can’t socially distance. Citing a CDC recommendation, Fauci 4.0 said you should get “some sort of a covering.” But here’s the money line:

“We don’t want to call it a mask because back then we were concerned we would be taking masks away from the healthcare providers” (video below).

Fauci continued, saying that “some sort of mask-like facial covering, I think for the time being, should be a very regular part of how we prevent the spread of infection.”

“And, in fact, right here where I’m sitting in Washington, D.C., you can see many people out there with masks on, which gives me some degree of comfort that people are taking this very seriously.” But is Fauci taking it seriously?

Really, the whole thing sounds like a Jackie Mason routine:

Don’t wear a mask, at least not really a mask; it can be sorta’ like a mask, but we won’t call it a mask. Let’s say it’s a facial covering, and maybe it won’t be effective, but it makes us feel better. Maybe a droplet will get through, but we’re not worried about it. You might get a lil’ schmutz in there, but your sort-of-like-a-mask has to be your best friend, and what’s a lil’ schmutz between friends? And maybe you’ll get sick, but we don’t know, but it’s a sign of respect. And what’s a lil’ change in opinion between interviews?!

So now there’s Late May Fauci saying we should wear masks whenever in public (video below), whatever that means. Does hiking the Appalachian Trail qualify? Camping in the Yukon?

Of course, Fauci 5.0 has a lot of company in mask Machiavellianism, with the CDC flip-flopping and also the World Health Organization, the WHO, which never seems to know what, where, when, why, or how. But the real point is that Early May Fauci (4.0) seemed to be confessing that Fauci 3.0 was lying (lucky for him they’re not the same guy) because he wanted masks saved for healthcare workers.

So the question is: If he was lying then, how can we be sure he isn’t lying now? Can we trust any Fauci iteration?

Anyway, in honor of Fauci’s, uh, well-roundedness, I present the following poem I discovered (inside my head):

The Doctor Who Cried “Masks!”

Monday Fauci won’t with fear instill us;
Tuesday Fauci swears the Virus™ will kill us.
Wednesday Fauci says no on the mask;
Thursday Fauci says “Don one — it’s a holy task.”
Friday Fauci says stay closed till fall.
Saturday Fauci warns, “Open up, or the economy will stall.”
Sunday Fauci worries with a tear:
“Will this pandemic end my career?!”

Oh, Fauci, Fauci, you’re making me grouchy!

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 7:02 pm
by justme
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 6:24 pm
justme wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:58 am
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:51 am https://www.theblaze.com/news/fauci-sec ... ing%20News

MAY 28, 2020
Fauci changes tune, now says second COVID-19 wave may never happen — and mask-wearing is symbolic

Dr. Anthony Fauci now says that a second wave of COVID-19 may not even happen and that wearing a mask is largely symbolic at this point.
Thanks for the link. Excellent example of importance of reading the entire piece to catch context and meaning. I do think that Fauci knows the importance of the word "and" in logical context :D .
I did read the entire piece - got all the context and meaning - but thanks for the not-so-subtle condescension and insults. Fauci is an a-hole - but I think it's hilariously ironic that even he is now saying masks are symbolic at this point and worn only to show "respect" to those ruled by fear in our society.
This is one thing that I like about this forum. You can completely agree on one thread yet disagree, hopefully respectfully on others.

If I had a chance to meet anyone on this forum or Fauci for a lunch and an afternoon discussion I would of course choose Fauci.
Cheers
(and it is good to see you back active on the forum, I hope you got your family situations all settled out)

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 9:25 pm
by abijah`
who's heard about dr fauci's wife? and the spiderweb of connections she has?

"head of human subjects research"...

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Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 9:52 pm
by dconrad000
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4 minute clip
surprised it hasn't been banned from YouTube yet








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Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 10:07 pm
by EmmaLee
justme wrote: May 28th, 2020, 7:02 pm
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 6:24 pm
justme wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:58 am
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:51 am https://www.theblaze.com/news/fauci-sec ... ing%20News

MAY 28, 2020
Fauci changes tune, now says second COVID-19 wave may never happen — and mask-wearing is symbolic

Dr. Anthony Fauci now says that a second wave of COVID-19 may not even happen and that wearing a mask is largely symbolic at this point.
Thanks for the link. Excellent example of importance of reading the entire piece to catch context and meaning. I do think that Fauci knows the importance of the word "and" in logical context :D .
I did read the entire piece - got all the context and meaning - but thanks for the not-so-subtle condescension and insults. Fauci is an a-hole - but I think it's hilariously ironic that even he is now saying masks are symbolic at this point and worn only to show "respect" to those ruled by fear in our society.
This is one thing that I like about this forum. You can completely agree on one thread yet disagree, hopefully respectfully on others.

If I had a chance to meet anyone on this forum or Fauci for a lunch and an afternoon discussion I would of course choose Fauci.
And we are all glad you would choose Fauci - you and he seem to be kindred spirits. Be sure to wear your face mask at your Fauci lunch (might make eating a bit difficult) and discussion (kinda hard to hear clearly through those masks - especially when you're doing the right thing by sitting 6 feet apart). Enjoy!

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 28th, 2020, 10:08 pm
by justme
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 10:07 pm
justme wrote: May 28th, 2020, 7:02 pm
EmmaLee wrote: May 28th, 2020, 6:24 pm
justme wrote: May 28th, 2020, 9:58 am

Thanks for the link. Excellent example of importance of reading the entire piece to catch context and meaning. I do think that Fauci knows the importance of the word "and" in logical context :D .
I did read the entire piece - got all the context and meaning - but thanks for the not-so-subtle condescension and insults. Fauci is an a-hole - but I think it's hilariously ironic that even he is now saying masks are symbolic at this point and worn only to show "respect" to those ruled by fear in our society.
This is one thing that I like about this forum. You can completely agree on one thread yet disagree, hopefully respectfully on others.

If I had a chance to meet anyone on this forum or Fauci for a lunch and an afternoon discussion I would of course choose Fauci.
And we are all glad you would choose Fauci - you and he seem to be kindred spirits. Be sure to wear your face mask at your Fauci lunch (might make eating a bit difficult) and discussion (kinda hard to hear clearly through those masks - especially when you're doing the right thing by sitting 6 feet apart). Enjoy!
Thanks Emmalee

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 29th, 2020, 9:05 am
by Art Vandelay
Just change the word ribbon to the word mask. Welcome to our new normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iV8X8ubGCc

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 29th, 2020, 9:34 am
by endlessQuestions
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... lated.html

Are recorded deaths being inflated? Um, yes!

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 29th, 2020, 9:59 am
by abijah`
cheeky monkey taunts india lab techs with stolen covid-19 samples LOOL

https://mobile.twitter.com/rishhikesh/ ... samples%2F

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 29th, 2020, 11:29 am
by David13
Art Vandelay wrote: May 29th, 2020, 9:05 am Just change the word ribbon to the word mask. Welcome to our new normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iV8X8ubGCc
AV I definitely got to thank you for that one. I have been thinking of that one for weeks now.
dc

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 29th, 2020, 1:46 pm
by larsenb
Here is the best video I've seen citing the most cogent reasons for letting your COVID-19 phobia go; produced by Del Bigtree on his HighWire YouTube channel. Very comprehensive and compelling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=Iw ... pp=desktop

Bigtree's channel blurb says: " [He] is a man with allegiance to no one and nothing but the truth. As an Emmy Award winning producer on the CBS talk show The Doctors, Del uncovered a story of corruption so morally bankrupt and profound that it destroyed his politics, his trust in medical science, and his belief in the mainstream media establishment that refused to allow him to do his job."

He did avoid the more controversial claim about the virus however. Namely, the one made by Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier (on team that discovered the HIV AIDS virus) and others, who said SARS-CoV-2 contains sequences of the human immunodeficiency virus — HIV and was pieced together in a Wuhan, China, biolab. This claim is disputed, as one might expect, but Montagnier says he could see the 'sutures' on the surface of the virus via SEM imagery, clearly indicating it was engineered.

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 29th, 2020, 3:04 pm
by EmmaLee
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/h ... fc7fadfbd4

28 May 2020
100,000 COVID Deaths: Putting the Tragedy in Perspective
Written by Dennis Behreandt

According to multiple reports in the mainstream media, the United States has now seen 100,000 deaths attributed to COVID-19. CNN’s sensationalist headline was typical of the mainstream coverage.

“Coronavirus has killed more than 100,000 people in the US in less than four months,” reads the May 28 CNN headline that comes directly from the “if it bleeds it leads” school of fearmongering, sensationalistic “journalism.”

In case people weren’t fearful enough, the Washington Post, bleated: “Experts say coronavirus might never go away as U.S. death toll reaches 100,000.”

All of these deaths are tragic and are to be mourned. But from a public policy standpoint, it is imperative to get beyond the fear and try to understand the numbers by putting them into a broader context. Failure to do that is to allow public manipulation through fear, enabling creation of public policies that are improperly aligned with reality, dangerous to social and economic well-being, and corrosive of individual liberty and the rule of law.

Even if not exact, comparisons are necessary. It is also necessary to note that the following comparisons do not suggest equivalency. Influenza is not the same as COVID-19. But, that being said, the parallels are instructive from the point of view of creating perspective.

With these provisos in mind we can look at flu statistics and compare them to COVID-19 statistics.

For the current flu season, the CDC estimates that there have been between 39,000,000 to 56,000,000 flu illnesses. The agency says that from this number, between 18,000,000 to 26,000,000 people visited medical care facility because of the flu. Of these, they estimate that between 410,000 to 740,000 people were hospitalized as a result of the flu. Finally, in this flu season, the CDC estimates that between 24,000 and 62,000 people died from the flu.

How does this compare with COVID-19 to date? As of May 27, the CDC reports that there have been 1,678,843 cases of COVID-19 in the United States. Total deaths, the CDC says, stand at 99,031 as of May 27.

In both cases, these seem to be large numbers of deaths, and they are close enough to be roughly equivalent. How do they stand as a percent of the population?

As of May 27, the U.S. Census Bureau puts the total population of the United States at 329,704,059. For the flu, that means 0.018 percent of the population of the United States succumbed to the flu, if the CDC’s high estimate of deaths is considered. For comparison 0.03 percent of the U.S. population died of COVID-19.

These numbers, of course, depend on the accuracy of the reported statistics. For influenza, questions have long circulated about the potential inaccuracy of the data collected and reported.

In his 2018 book Influenza, Dr. Jeremy Brown, who is the director of the Office of Emergency Care Research at the National Institutes of Health, described the process of collecting and reporting influenza statistics:

Every week...nurses, physicians, and their assistants...fill out a form that tells the CDC how many patients they’ve seen with an influenza-like illness. It’s a time-consuming but valuable report from the front line of the battle against influenza, but it has obvious limitations in terms of the quality of data it produces. Remember that one doctor might report “influenza” while another doctor seeing similar symptoms might report “fever,” or “gastroenteritis” or “viral syndrome,” all ILIs. When it comes time to aggregate the numbers and report ILI activity to the CDC, the electronic medical record might include some, all, or none of these diagnoses.

The CDC also relies on hospital labs to report how many tests for influenza they run, and how many of these are positive. You might think that these data would be more accurate than reviewing the electronic medical record, but here, too, the true incidence of influenza might vary, depending on which patients were swabbed and on the locations of the clinics and hospitals. You might have a doctor who swabs only when she is treating a patient who is very ill, or one who has cancer, HIV, or another complicating condition. In this case, the pool of all patients swabbed is limited but the number of positive cases is high. Or you could have the inverse: another doctor — even in the same hospital — whose practice is to swab many patients, not just those with a chronic illness. In this case, the sample size would be quite large and the number of positive cases of influenza comparatively small. And these numbers, in either situation, include only those who choose to see a doctor, and those doctors who choose to swab their patients. This imperfect, sometimes contradictory information is what the CDC has to work with.

It is easy to imagine that these limitations, as described by Dr. Brown, likely also impact collection of COVID-19 statistics.

Layered on top of that, of course, are the admissions that COVID-19 stats are inflated. One of these admissions comes from Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health, who said, ““The case definition is very simplistic,” for COVID-19. “It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.

Clearly, this practice will lead to an inflated number of deaths attributed to COVID-19.

John Lott, one of the world’s better analysts and scholars and president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, was joined by Dr. Timothy Craig Allen, chair of the Department of Pathology at the University of Mississippi Medical Center and a Governor of the College of American Pathologists, in writing a piece for TownHall.com examining the over-counting of COVID-19 deaths.

Lott and Allen note: “New York is classifying cases as Coronavirus deaths even when postmortem tests have been negative. Despite negative tests, classifications are based on symptoms, even though the symptoms are often very similar to those of the seasonal flu. The Centers for Disease Control guidance explicitly acknowledges the uncertainty that doctors can face. When Coronavirus cases are ‘suspected,’ they advise doctors that “it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate.”

They further point out that bad data is informing and shaping bad policy.

”Erroneous data unduly scare people about the risks of the disease,” they write. “It keeps the country locked down longer than necessary, which destroys peoples’ lives and livelihoods in many other ways. Exaggerated fears of the virus endanger lives by keeping people from obtaining treatment for other medical problems. It also makes it impossible to accurately compare policies across countries.”

Their conclusion?

“It is hard to believe that we are basing such crucial decisions on such flawed data.”

In fact, constructing a proper response to any public health crisis requires clear understanding of the nature and scale of the problem at hand. Policies based on incomplete, flawed, or manipulated data generally are ineffective at best and considerably damaging at worst.

With COVID-19, we’ve seen ample evidence of the latter, considering the catastrophic damage done to people’s lives, careers, and liberties by the tyrannical measures favored by petty dictators around the United States and the world.

Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 29th, 2020, 5:23 pm
by ajax
Battle Hymn Of The Gesundheitsfuhrers: Sickness Is The Health Of The State!
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Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 29th, 2020, 10:50 pm
by David13
No way has there been 100,000 deaths from this. Those are grotesquely exaggerated numbers.
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Re: The Coronavirus Hoax

Posted: May 30th, 2020, 8:00 am
by justme
David13 wrote: May 29th, 2020, 10:50 pm No way has there been 100,000 deaths from this. Those are grotesquely exaggerated numbers.
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