The Coronavirus Hoax

[anonymous91]

Now, the only question you have to ask yourself is if advising the world that taking the clot shot was a "godsend" is good or corrupt fruit. What say you?

It was an honest mistake.

As for good fruits, they are many: building hundreds of temples, preaching the gospel, building the kingdom.

Does that count for anything with you? Are those good fruits? What say you?

A mistake is unintentional, such as stubbing your toe. Saying something unintentional in the heat of the moment.

This was not a mistake, in any way, shape, or form. You do not have a televised broadcast showing the world that you are getting the clot shot, calling it a "godsend" and advising everyone else to comply and be "good global citizens". Then follow it up with a letter doubling down, which is intentional and well-thought-out.

For me, the easy solution would have been to just say nothing at all. They could have also advised each member to pray about it and get direction from the HG for what to do in their individual families. They could have even prayed about it and actually got a revelation, which they obviously did not.

Instead, they chose to intentionally and willfully lead the TBM members astray, right over a cliff, just like a bunch of lemmings. No apologies, no retractions, and no attempt to rectify causing tens of thousands of deaths and injuries. Don't forget, that the church spent millions of dollars funding this atrocity.

Last time I checked, the scriptures have no justification for corrupt fruits. If someone were to build schools, and orphanages, and fund several charities does that give them an automatic ticket to heaven? What if they are secretly running a human trafficking ring? Does that change things? What if that individual "makes a mistake" that influences thousands of people to die? What say you?

[Obeone]

Now, the only question you have to ask yourself is if advising the world that taking the clot shot was a "godsend" is good or corrupt fruit. What say you?

It was an honest mistake.

As for good fruits, they are many: building hundreds of temples, preaching the gospel, building the kingdom.

Does that count for anything with you? Are those good fruits? What say you?

A mistake is unintentional, such as stubbing your toe. Saying something unintentional in the heat of the moment.

This was not a mistake, in any way, shape, or form. You do not have a televised broadcast showing the world that you are getting the clot shot, calling it a "godsend" and advising everyone else to comply and be "good global citizens". Then follow it up with a letter doubling down, which is intentional and well-thought-out.

For me, the easy solution would have been to just say nothing at all. They could have also advised each member to pray about it and get direction from the HG for what to do in their individual families. They could have even prayed about it and actually got a revelation, which they obviously did not.

Instead, they chose to intentionally and willfully lead the TBM members astray, right over a cliff, just like a bunch of lemmings. No apologies, no retractions, and no attempt to rectify causing tens of thousands of deaths and injuries. Don't forget, that the church spent millions of dollars funding this atrocity.

Last time I checked, the scriptures have no justification for corrupt fruits. If someone were to build schools, and orphanages, and fund several charities does that give them an automatic ticket to heaven? What if they are secretly running a human trafficking ring? Does that change things? What if that individual "makes a mistake" that influences thousands of people to die? What say you?

You have no evidence that they were not deceived. They were. They took the same shot they pushed on the members.

The situation is nuanced: it is a combination of a test with an error.
The test is by God and the error is by Q15.

See more here: viewtopic.php?p=1400599#p1400599

[Chip]

It was an honest mistake.

As for good fruits, they are many: building hundreds of temples, preaching the gospel, building the kingdom.

Does that count for anything with you? Are those good fruits? What say you?

A mistake is unintentional, such as stubbing your toe. Saying something unintentional in the heat of the moment.

This was not a mistake, in any way, shape, or form. You do not have a televised broadcast showing the world that you are getting the clot shot, calling it a "godsend" and advising everyone else to comply and be "good global citizens". Then follow it up with a letter doubling down, which is intentional and well-thought-out.

For me, the easy solution would have been to just say nothing at all. They could have also advised each member to pray about it and get direction from the HG for what to do in their individual families. They could have even prayed about it and actually got a revelation, which they obviously did not.

Instead, they chose to intentionally and willfully lead the TBM members astray, right over a cliff, just like a bunch of lemmings. No apologies, no retractions, and no attempt to rectify causing tens of thousands of deaths and injuries. Don't forget, that the church spent millions of dollars funding this atrocity.

Last time I checked, the scriptures have no justification for corrupt fruits. If someone were to build schools, and orphanages, and fund several charities does that give them an automatic ticket to heaven? What if they are secretly running a human trafficking ring? Does that change things? What if that individual "makes a mistake" that influences thousands of people to die? What say you?

You have no evidence that they were not deceived. They were. They took the same shot they pushed on the members.

The situation is nuanced: it is a combination of a test with an error.
The test is by God and the error is by Q15.

See more here: viewtopic.php?p=1400599#p1400599

You missed the thread about the Q15 receiving saline shots for the photo ops. The news came from Jake Oaks, grandson of Dallin H. Oaks.

[anonymous91]

It was an honest mistake.

As for good fruits, they are many: building hundreds of temples, preaching the gospel, building the kingdom.

Does that count for anything with you? Are those good fruits? What say you?

A mistake is unintentional, such as stubbing your toe. Saying something unintentional in the heat of the moment.

This was not a mistake, in any way, shape, or form. You do not have a televised broadcast showing the world that you are getting the clot shot, calling it a "godsend" and advising everyone else to comply and be "good global citizens". Then follow it up with a letter doubling down, which is intentional and well-thought-out.

For me, the easy solution would have been to just say nothing at all. They could have also advised each member to pray about it and get direction from the HG for what to do in their individual families. They could have even prayed about it and actually got a revelation, which they obviously did not.

Instead, they chose to intentionally and willfully lead the TBM members astray, right over a cliff, just like a bunch of lemmings. No apologies, no retractions, and no attempt to rectify causing tens of thousands of deaths and injuries. Don't forget, that the church spent millions of dollars funding this atrocity.

Last time I checked, the scriptures have no justification for corrupt fruits. If someone were to build schools, and orphanages, and fund several charities does that give them an automatic ticket to heaven? What if they are secretly running a human trafficking ring? Does that change things? What if that individual "makes a mistake" that influences thousands of people to die? What say you?

You have no evidence that they were not deceived. They were. They took the same shot they pushed on the members.

The situation is nuanced: it is a combination of a test with an error.
The test is by God and the error is by Q15.

See more here: viewtopic.php?p=1400599#p1400599

The test is by God and the error is by Q15.

Do you seriously believe that? Since when does God want thousands of us dead and injured?

I'm bowing out of this conversation, I can see that you will jump through any hoops, and do amazing mental gymnastics. Choosing to ignore obvious truths, and ignore difficult questions.

[Chip]

Now, the only question you have to ask yourself is if advising the world that taking the clot shot was a "godsend" is good or corrupt fruit. What say you?

It was an honest mistake.

As for good fruits, they are many: building hundreds of temples, preaching the gospel, building the kingdom.

Does that count for anything with you? Are those good fruits? What say you?

A mistake is unintentional, such as stubbing your toe. Saying something unintentional in the heat of the moment.

This was not a mistake, in any way, shape, or form. You do not have a televised broadcast showing the world that you are getting the clot shot, calling it a "godsend" and advising everyone else to comply and be "good global citizens". Then follow it up with a letter doubling down, which is intentional and well-thought-out.

For me, the easy solution would have been to just say nothing at all. They could have also advised each member to pray about it and get direction from the HG for what to do in their individual families. They could have even prayed about it and actually got a revelation, which they obviously did not.

Instead, they chose to intentionally and willfully lead the TBM members astray, right over a cliff, just like a bunch of lemmings. No apologies, no retractions, and no attempt to rectify causing tens of thousands of deaths and injuries. Don't forget, that the church spent millions of dollars funding this atrocity.

Last time I checked, the scriptures have no justification for corrupt fruits. If someone were to build schools, and orphanages, and fund several charities does that give them an automatic ticket to heaven? What if they are secretly running a human trafficking ring? Does that change things? What if that individual "makes a mistake" that influences thousands of people to die? What say you?

This is spot-on.

To suppose this was all some willy-nilly mistake is beyond naíve. This trajectory was already set when they were sending money to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and maybe long before that.

There was a SCRIPT for this whole event and the church agreed to read its lines to the members, word-for-word.

What we need as a body of Christ is TRUTH and REALITY, not ongoing denial and the continuation of a delusion that is certainly distasteful to God

[Lizzy60]

I am sick to my stomach when I recall Bednar telling some Gad group that they need to have religious leaders in their groups, because the religious leaders will help any vaxx-hesitant members overcome their fears, and get vaxxed. An admission of the evil man he is, imho.

[TwochurchesOnly]

I am sick to my stomach when I recall Bednar telling some Gad group that they need to have religious leaders in their groups, because the religious leaders will help any vaxx-hesitant members overcome their fears, and get vaxxed. An admission of the evil man he is, imho.

Hearing this from him was one of the shocking moments in my realization of our truly awful situation -
whaaat?! Did he really say that?!! For me, It clarified the reality of the whole damn mess and gave me the fortitude to move forward with faith- having no idea then the many things that I would yet encounter as the awful truth has unfolded -

[Fred]

Interesting thesis . . . . . , which I don't reject out-of-hand; though my take on the subject is that it is more likely that God allowed RMN, etc., to do what they are doing for His own purposes, of which there may be more than one. And it may very well be, that one of the purposes is to see who of us will hang in with the whole restoration scenario, despite getting very bad information from our leaders.

I just don't see God commanding "the prophet to "urge" the members to take the poison shot" . . . . something that would cause so much damage, horror and anguish to those badly affected by it; and something that was straight out of the LDG playbook to move society in the horrible direction they want it to go in.

Either way, Q15 are innocent, inasmuch as their errors are honest ones. This is why the keys of the kingdom remain with them despite of their errors.

That is the main test: will we respect the keys that God has given.

I do.

It is not even possible that the Q15 are not fully aware and murdering people on purpose for profit. There are 2 doctors in their midst that are either the dumbest arses to ever live or simply too incompetent to to seek truth. Either way, they are NOT deceived.

Sending people to their death should not be taken so lightly. As a mere "oh well they were sinners anyway, no big loss."

You are so full of sh!t, your eyes are brown. You have taken it upon yourself to defend murderers. You are totally disregarding the hundreds of satanic partnerships they have taken. You are overlooking the blood oaths of satan's Skull and Bones. You are overlooking their medical training unless you are admitting that they lied and stole their diplomas and are simply cheap frauds. There are ONLY 2 possible ways to be deceived about covid; one is to be too stupid to be considered human and the other is being to stupid and lazy to seek truth. There are no other possibilities. Their blasphemous statements that they speak for God are a joke. A bad joke. They lie! God did not tell them to start murdering people to get some money. But they did it anyway. These men are described by Isaiah and you are calling him a liar when you defend them. Quit defending the scum. Let them speak for themselves. Let them explain why they lied about the jab being a godsend. Let them explain why Mutt Romney has a temple recommend. Let them explain why they closed the church and temples when there was no government mandate to do so. Let them explain their laughter over the dead. Let them explain their laughter over the sick, afflicted, and maimed that are all 100% their doing. You are not authorized to speak for these pricks.

[Hiker]

You have no evidence that they were not deceived. They were. They took the same shot they pushed on the members.

The situation is nuanced: it is a combination of a test with an error.
The test is by God and the error is by Q15.

See more here: viewtopic.php?p=1400599#p1400599

You missed the thread about the Q15 receiving saline shots for the photo ops. The news came from Jake Oaks, grandson of Dallin H. Oaks.

The quorum of the 15 knew the shot was dangerous, that's why they used saline!

[larsenb]

Interesting thesis . . . . . , which I don't reject out-of-hand; though my take on the subject is that it is more likely that G
od allowed RMN, etc., to do what they are doing for His own purposes, of which there may be more than one. And it may very well be, that one of the purposes is to see who of us will hang in with the whole restoration scenario, despite getting very bad information from our leaders.

I just don't see God commanding "the prophet to "urge" the members to take the poison shot" . . . . something that would cause so much damage, horror and anguish to those badly affected by it; and something that was straight out of the LDG playbook to move society in the horrible direction they want it to go in.

Either way, Q15 are innocent, inasmuch as their errors are honest ones. This is why the keys of the kingdom remain with them despite of their errors.

That is the main test: will we respect the keys that God has given.

I do.

OK. Let's say some of their actions and pronouncements don't conform to best practices and ideals and are not conducive to best outcomes, and in this regard, are errors.

But you have to ask yourself, how did they arrive at a mentality in the first place, that would produce these kinds of erroneous actions and beliefs? And how much culpability can they avoid by persisting in their errors including some of their ideas about things (e.g., wokism talking points as espoused by Elder Holland; support of Agenda 2030, etc., etc.) over a significant period of time with NO course change, nor apologies for their errors.

And at what point does "innocent" or "honest"grade into accountability, culpability, guilt, and even criminality; especially in view of the incredible damage that has been done and is being done by the mRNA shots they so vigorously pushed?

[Fred]

You have no evidence that they were not deceived. They were. They took the same shot they pushed on the members.

The situation is nuanced: it is a combination of a test with an error.
The test is by God and the error is by Q15.

See more here: viewtopic.php?p=1400599#p1400599

You missed the thread about the Q15 receiving saline shots for the photo ops. The news came from Jake Oaks, grandson of Dallin H. Oaks.

The quorum of the 15 knew the shot was dangerous, that's why they used saline!

You are correct. Here is the video of Oaks grandson saying that they took saline.

https://utahpatriots.org/videos/Jake%20 ... erview.mp4

[Fred]

I am sick to my stomach when I recall Bednar telling some Gad group that they need to have religious leaders in their groups, because the religious leaders will help any vaxx-hesitant members overcome their fears, and get vaxxed. An admission of the evil man he is, imho.

You are correct. This is the sole purpose of The Secret Clergy Response Team which the LDS church is a member of.

[IsaiahVision]

Now, the only question you have to ask yourself is if advising the world that taking the clot shot was a "godsend" is good or corrupt fruit. What say you?

It was an honest mistake.

As for good fruits, they are many: building hundreds of temples, preaching the gospel, building the kingdom.

Does that count for anything with you? Are those good fruits? What say you?

A mistake is unintentional, such as stubbing your toe. Saying something unintentional in the heat of the moment.

This was not a mistake, in any way, shape, or form. You do not have a televised broadcast showing the world that you are getting the clot shot, calling it a "godsend" and advising everyone else to comply and be "good global citizens". Then follow it up with a letter doubling down, which is intentional and well-thought-out.

For me, the easy solution would have been to just say nothing at all. They could have also advised each member to pray about it and get direction from the HG for what to do in their individual families. They could have even prayed about it and actually got a revelation, which they obviously did not.

Instead, they chose to intentionally and willfully lead the TBM members astray, right over a cliff, just like a bunch of lemmings. No apologies, no retractions, and no attempt to rectify causing tens of thousands of deaths and injuries. Don't forget, that the church spent millions of dollars funding this atrocity.

Last time I checked, the scriptures have no justification for corrupt fruits. If someone were to build schools, and orphanages, and fund several charities does that give them an automatic ticket to heaven? What if they are secretly running a human trafficking ring? Does that change things? What if that individual "makes a mistake" that influences thousands of people to die? What say you?

Indeed, it does so appear.

Isaiah 56:10
Their watchmen are altogether blind and unaware; all of them are but dumb watchdogs unable to bark, lolling seers fond of slumber.

What does the Lord require of his watchman?

Ezekiel 33:6
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Ezekiel 33:12-13
12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

Ezekiel 14:9-11 JST
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have NOT deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
10 And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him;
11 That the house of Israel may go no more astray from me, neither be polluted any more with all their transgressions; but that they may be my people, and I may be their God, saith the Lord GOD.

[Fred]

It was an honest mistake.

As for good fruits, they are many: building hundreds of temples, preaching the gospel, building the kingdom.

Does that count for anything with you? Are those good fruits? What say you?

A mistake is unintentional, such as stubbing your toe. Saying something unintentional in the heat of the moment.

This was not a mistake, in any way, shape, or form. You do not have a televised broadcast showing the world that you are getting the clot shot, calling it a "godsend" and advising everyone else to comply and be "good global citizens". Then follow it up with a letter doubling down, which is intentional and well-thought-out.

For me, the easy solution would have been to just say nothing at all. They could have also advised each member to pray about it and get direction from the HG for what to do in their individual families. They could have even prayed about it and actually got a revelation, which they obviously did not.

Instead, they chose to intentionally and willfully lead the TBM members astray, right over a cliff, just like a bunch of lemmings. No apologies, no retractions, and no attempt to rectify causing tens of thousands of deaths and injuries. Don't forget, that the church spent millions of dollars funding this atrocity.

Last time I checked, the scriptures have no justification for corrupt fruits. If someone were to build schools, and orphanages, and fund several charities does that give them an automatic ticket to heaven? What if they are secretly running a human trafficking ring? Does that change things? What if that individual "makes a mistake" that influences thousands of people to die? What say you?

You have no evidence that they were not deceived. They were. They took the same shot they pushed on the members.

The situation is nuanced: it is a combination of a test with an error.
The test is by God and the error is by Q15.

See more here: viewtopic.php?p=1400599#p1400599

Now you have sunk to telling falsehoods. Is there no lie you will not tell to defend the guilty?

[Obeone]

You have no evidence that they were not deceived. They were. They took the same shot they pushed on the members.

The situation is nuanced: it is a combination of a test with an error.
The test is by God and the error is by Q15.

See more here: viewtopic.php?p=1400599#p1400599

You missed the thread about the Q15 receiving saline shots for the photo ops. The news came from Jake Oaks, grandson of Dallin H. Oaks.

The quorum of the 15 knew the shot was dangerous, that's why they used saline!

Do we have a proof of that beyond one ex-Mormon?

[Obeone]

OK. Let's say some of their actions and pronouncements don't conform to best practices and ideals and are not conducive to best outcomes, and in this regard, are errors.

But you have to ask yourself, how did they arrive at a mentality in the first place, that would produce these kinds of erroneous actions and beliefs? And how much culpability can they avoid by persisting in their errors including some of their ideas about things (e.g., wokism talking points as espoused by Elder Holland; support of Agenda 2030, etc., etc.) over a significant period of time with NO course change, nor apologies for their errors.

And at what point does "innocent" or "honest"grade into accountability, culpability, guilt, and even criminality; especially in view of the incredible damage that has been done and is being done by the mRNA shots they so vigorously pushed?

All good questions.
Let's hope the answers are coming soon.

But beyond this, since there remains a question of their innocence (how much did they know, etc.) Did you pray about it?
Did you ask if the keys are still here?

I did. I know. Do you?

[Fred]

You missed the thread about the Q15 receiving saline shots for the photo ops. The news came from Jake Oaks, grandson of Dallin H. Oaks.

The quorum of the 15 knew the shot was dangerous, that's why they used saline!

Do we have a proof of that beyond one ex-Mormon?

Do you mean Jake Oaks? Current politician in Utah County?

[Fred]

OK. Let's say some of their actions and pronouncements don't conform to best practices and ideals and are not conducive to best outcomes, and in this regard, are errors.

But you have to ask yourself, how did they arrive at a mentality in the first place, that would produce these kinds of erroneous actions and beliefs? And how much culpability can they avoid by persisting in their errors including some of their ideas about things (e.g., wokism talking points as espoused by Elder Holland; support of Agenda 2030, etc., etc.) over a significant period of time with NO course change, nor apologies for their errors.

And at what point does "innocent" or "honest"grade into accountability, culpability, guilt, and even criminality; especially in view of the incredible damage that has been done and is being done by the mRNA shots they so vigorously pushed?

All good questions.
Let's hope the answers are coming soon.

But beyond this, since there remains a question of their innocence (how much did they know, etc.) Did you pray about it?
Did you ask if the keys are still here?

I did. I know. Do you?

You do NOT know. You are wrong!

[larsenb]

Many have recommended the jab because they themselves were deceived.
The error is still deadly, but evil intent is not there.

The difficulty with your statement is that you have no idea what the intent of the brethren actually was/is. You can speculate, you can guess, but you'll never really know.

Ah, but that's where you are wrong. I do have an idea. What's that, you might ask?

A thing you are lacking. A personal revelation that tells me:

1) The keys are still with them.
2) Which of necessity means the errors were honest ones.

Hence the maxim: The time of living on borrowed light is over.

Ironic that the implication of your statements is that the Q15 in making their decisions to push the mRNA clot shots, etc.,, were operating on borrowed light; and insofar as they have not corrected their actions/beliefs with regard to this shot and on other issues, they are still operating on borrowed light.

[Fred]

The Q15 followed satan because they actually believe that Lucifer had the best plan. Every word they say that pretends to lead people to Christ is a lie. They are very well paid actors. That is why it is so important to totally disregard their words because they are all lies and follow the scriptures in watching their fruits. The Q15 say "Listen to what I say, not what I do." God says "you will know them by their fruits" That is a quote from the Almighty God.

In other words only a fool or God hater will follow the Drunken Ephraimites.

Anyone that follows the profit is going against scripture.

The evil actions and deeds committed by the Q15 are plain as day and easy to see even by a 10 year old. They murdered. We know they murdered. They know that we know that they murdered. Until they tell the truth and retract the godsend lie, they are still murdering.

Why is it that people are willing to flip God the bird and do exactly opposite of what the scriptures say to do? There is no scum on the entire earth lower than anyone that suggested getting jabbed.

Doctors are willing to risk their livelihood in order to tell the truth. The truth is out and the Q15 are not telling it.

[larsenb]

The quorum of the 15 knew the shot was dangerous, that's why they used saline!

Do we have a proof of that beyond one ex-Mormon?

Do you mean Jake Oaks? Current politician in Utah County?

Here is another relative of Dallin Oaks saying what a liar and moron Dallin is: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/peculiarp ... quare-off/

I saw nothing in the Patheos article indicating Robert Oaks called his 1st cousin, Dallin, a liar and moron. The article was a full-on anti-Trump hit piece.

[Fred]

Do we have a proof of that beyond one ex-Mormon?

Do you mean Jake Oaks? Current politician in Utah County?

Here is another relative of Dallin Oaks saying what a liar and moron Dallin is: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/peculiarp ... quare-off/

I saw nothing in the Patheos article indicating Robert Oaks called his 1st cousin, Dallin, a liar and moron. The article was a full-on anti-Trump hit piece.

Must have been the wrong link. Sorry. I will delete it.

[larsenb]

OK. Let's say some of their actions and pronouncements don't conform to best practices and ideals and are not conducive to best outcomes, and in this regard, are errors.

But you have to ask yourself, how did they arrive at a mentality in the first place, that would produce these kinds of erroneous actions and beliefs? And how much culpability can they avoid by persisting in their errors including some of their ideas about things (e.g., wokism talking points as espoused by Elder Holland; support of Agenda 2030, etc., etc.) over a significant period of time with NO course change, nor apologies for their errors.

And at what point does "innocent" or "honest"grade into accountability, culpability, guilt, and even criminality; especially in view of the incredible damage that has been done and is being done by the mRNA shots they so vigorously pushed?

All good questions.
Let's hope the answers are coming soon.

But beyond this, since there remains a question of their innocence (how much did they know, etc.) Did you pray about it?
Did you ask if the keys are still here?

I did. I know. Do you?

I'm not too impressed with anonymous people saying in a public forum they got answers to big questions via prayer. Doesn't carry much weight in a discussion forum.

That said, my guess is that determination of "accountability, culpability, guilt, and even criminality" is coming down the pike and the Lord probably has a hand in it. Such a determination would, or should, decide on the status of keys held by those involved.

Regarding their other Church-related duties and activities, I'll leave judgement as to the legitimacy of what they are doing to higher powers, and am personally OK that these activities may be acceptable to the Lord.

Now if one of the 15 committed a heinous crime of some sort, but it wasn't detected for some time, and/or adjudicated, would all the ordinances and duties performed by him during this interval have efficacy? Would he still have the keys to perform these things?

My guess is he would, until such time as they were formally removed.

[Hiker]

You missed the thread about the Q15 receiving saline shots for the photo ops. The news came from Jake Oaks, grandson of Dallin H. Oaks.

The quorum of the 15 knew the shot was dangerous, that's why they used saline!

Do we have a proof of that beyond one ex-Mormon?

The quorum of the 15 put themselves in this situation to make a live Or die and injury situation. That was their stance and they're sticking with it. Thousands have died, and injured because of their declaration of that is the vaccine is safe.

Did they just gamble? Were they deceived? Did they follow the dictates of governments? Or are they part of the depopulation of earth? Whatever the outcome, they are responsible! It's time for some humility and they must repent! We should put these men on trial for murder or manslaughter!

[Obeone]

The difficulty with your statement is that you have no idea what the intent of the brethren actually was/is. You can speculate, you can guess, but you'll never really know.

Ah, but that's where you are wrong. I do have an idea. What's that, you might ask?

A thing you are lacking. A personal revelation that tells me:

1) The keys are still with them.
2) Which of necessity means the errors were honest ones.

Hence the maxim: The time of living on borrowed light is over.

Ironic that the implication of your statements is that the Q15 in making their decisions to push the mRNA clot shots, etc.,, were operating on borrowed light; and insofar as they have not corrected their actions/beliefs with regard to this shot and on other issues, they are still operating on borrowed light.

True. In that aspect. In most important things though, they are still right.