LDS Freedom Forum

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 5:28 pm
Awww, what a lovely sentiment. Nice to know you just cast aside your fellow human because you don't think they have your same spiritual capacity, and you do so knowing next to nothing about me! So charitable and Christ-like.

Of course. You have proudly stated that you are ex mormon and and don't believe in God, so what spiritual capacity can you possess?

In these matters, we are discussing things pertaining to God.

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 9:50 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 29th, 2021, 7:28 pm

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 29th, 2021, 6:11 pm False Pattern Recognition - https://strengthandreason.com/how-false ... decisions/

Or you're just clueless

Are you able to address the substance of the article, or just going to run away from it because it might undermine your beliefs?

You may wish to check search.php?keywords=38ii or search.php?keywords=36866 if you don’t have a lot of time, or shy away from timing patterns for some reason.

tribrac wrote: ↑December 29th, 2021, 2:29 pm Utah Corona Scoreboard:

Deaths way down.
Hospitalizations down.
Case count up.
Over 1,500 breakthrough cases.

Method of counting still undercounts breakthroughs.

State still withholds numbers of hospitalized vaxed vs unvaxxed.

And health care workers still call for everyone to get vaxinated and boostered.

Next day, same story....

3,563 cases, 1679 breakthroughs. Deaths way down, hospitalizations dropping.

And this little nugget of acknowledgment...

As omicron spreads, our community also has "significant immunity" — a high proportion of residents are vaccinated and/or have had previous infections.

JustDan wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 6:13 pm

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 5:28 pm
Awww, what a lovely sentiment. Nice to know you just cast aside your fellow human because you don't think they have your same spiritual capacity, and you do so knowing next to nothing about me! So charitable and Christ-like.

Of course. You have proudly stated that you are ex mormon and and don't believe in God, so what spiritual capacity can you possess?

In these matters, we are discussing things pertaining to God.

Or you're ascribing things to God that are really just psychological phenomena. Your mileage may vary, of course.

LeoHohmann.com

Investigative reporting on globalism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism and where politics, culture and religion intersectWhistleblower activists file complaint with International Criminal Court alleging Big Pharma, Gates, Fauci, UK officials committed crimes against humanity
A group of lawyers, activists and whistleblowers that includes former Pfizer Vice President Dr. Michael Yeadon filed a complaint with the International Criminal Court at the Hague against Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Bill and Melinda Gates, the chief executives of Big Pharma “vaccine” manufacturers, Dr. Anthony Fauci and Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum, alleging crimes against humanity.


Yeadon is a citizen of the U.K. who has made several whistleblower videos describing the horrific damage that the Covid injections are causing and will continue to cause among men, women and children of all ages who receive them.

Unlike other former Big Pharma collaborators, such as Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Yeadon has not pulled any punches. Whereas Malone has said that some elderly populations receive some limited protection from the injections, Yeadon has predicted the shots will result in nothing short of a global Holocaust.

In May, 2021, Yeadon issued what he called his “final warning to humanity.” See video below.


The UK group also includes an astrophysicist and whistleblower funeral director John O’Loony.

Besides Gates, Johnson and Schwab, the group names as accused co-conspirators Dr. Anthony Fauci, the longtime head of the U.S. National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases; Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director general of the World Health Organization; June Raine, the chief executive of medicines and healthcare products regulatory agency; Dr. Radiv Shah, president of the Rockefeller Foundation; and Dr. Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, a company that allegedly participated in gain-of-function research using grant money from the U.S. National Institutes of Health.


The lawsuit names all of the above defendants as “responsible for numerous violations of the Nuremberg Code … war crimes and crimes of aggression” in the UK, the U.S. and many other countries.

After repeated unsuccessful attempts to raise a case with the British Court system, the applicants filed their complaint with “the utmost urgency” to the International Criminal Court at the Hague, Netherlands.

They plead with the court “to stop the rollout of COVID vaccinations, introduction of unlawful vaccination passports and all other types of illegal warfare … being waged against the people of the UK.”

The UK Parliament just passed a new law this week, supported by Boris Johnson, that will require proof of vaccination at all large-venue events.


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(LifeSiteNews) – A group that includes former Pfizer vice president Dr. Michael Yeadon filed a complaint with the International Criminal Court (ICC) on behalf of UK citizens against Boris Johnson and UK officials, Bill and Melinda Gates, chief executives of Big Pharma companies, World Economic Forum executive chairman Klaus Schwab, and others for crimes against humanity.

The UK group, including an astrophysicist and a funeral director, additionally charged Dr. Anthony Fauci; Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO); June Raine, chief executive of Medicines and Healthcare products regulatory agency (MHRA); Dr. Radiv Shah, president of the Rockefeller Foundation; and Dr. Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, as “responsible for numerous violations of the Nuremberg Code … war crimes and crimes of aggression” in the UK and other countries.


Big Pharma, Gates, Fauci, UK officials accused of crimes against humanity in complaint to International Criminal Court
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InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 1:07 pm

tribrac wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 12:20 pm Corona Devastates the MTC

Church spokesman Sam Penrod reported that 91 missionaries tested positive for COVID-19 after each of the 588 missionaries were tested. He said not many of the missionaries are feeling sick or showing symptoms

Let me guess, those PCR tests were set at 40+ cycles? And let me guess, ALL of those missionaries were jabbed? (Oh of course they were all jabbed. Can't go to the MTC without it. LOL)


I wonder how many of those missionaries, sick or not, are starting to question the pronouncement from the prophet that wearing masks and getting jabbed is the ONLY WAY TO WIN THE WARRRR!!!!!

Not enough of them, that's for sure. Not enough of them.
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If only the missionaries would realize that at no time is God or Jesus EVER placed above satan in the priorities of the Q15. The Q15 are following satan's plan just as they promised over a hundred years ago to do. Did you know that the Utah police are forbidden from arresting any of the Alta Club members? The city, county, or state police was not given that authority from satan. The missionaries are merely tools as far as RMN is concerned. Their lives are meaningless.

as usual, Alex Jones nails it on the head.

Top Scientists Around The World Have Reached A Consensus – The Covid Vax Is A Depopulation Weapon -

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GDs2l2PYq8Pt/

Take the vaccine and become a new species that is owned by the patent owner... You have lost your liberty, rights, and freedom.

7 minute mark (a little before, a little after): https://www.brighteon.com/ac24e24a-1260 ... 27e35dcfe8

Fred wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:39 pm If only the missionaries would realize that at no time is God or Jesus EVER placed above satan in the priorities of the Q15. The Q15 are following satan's plan just as they promised over a hundred years ago to do. Did you know that the Utah police are forbidden from arresting any of the Alta Club members? The city, county, or state police was not given that authority from satan. The missionaries are merely tools as far as RMN is concerned. Their lives are meaningless.

But, but, the church is true!

I feels it when other people cry during testimony meeting.

I personally have no testimony of my own.

So I borrow yours.

Which means that our leaders can do no wrong.

Therefore, no matter what evidence of wrongdoing is presented.

There is no need for investigation or concern.

Because, even if the allegations are true.

The church has to do them in order to do the work of saving the living and the dead.

Why do you hate the living and the dead?

What kind of animal are you?

How dare you rise up onto two legs and mimic sentience!

Down profane dogs!

Ungrateful wretches.

We have done nothing but serve you.

Prove your loyalty.

Queue up, get your shot, and do not question us.

It's for your own good.

We know things.

The all seeing eye watches.

Your day has passed.

We work for the servants that are now your masters.

You have sinned in that you have not elevated them to the high places.

You exist only to serve.

You body, mind and soul are theirs to do with what they wish.

They are the slavers of old and descendents of the priests of Eqypt.

You see them but know them naught.

Their time is now.

You shall bend the knee and worship them.

Or be cast into the fire.

Moloch waits.

For you.

Sir H

HVDC wrote: ↑December 31st, 2021, 7:36 am

Fred wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:39 pm If only the missionaries would realize that at no time is God or Jesus EVER placed above satan in the priorities of the Q15. The Q15 are following satan's plan just as they promised over a hundred years ago to do. Did you know that the Utah police are forbidden from arresting any of the Alta Club members? The city, county, or state police was not given that authority from satan. The missionaries are merely tools as far as RMN is concerned. Their lives are meaningless.

But, but, the church is true!

I feels it when other people cry during testimony meeting.

I personally have no testimony of my own.

So I borrow yours.

Which means that our leaders can do no wrong.

Therefore, no matter what evidence of wrongdoing is presented.

There is no need for investigation or concern.

Because, even if the allegations are true.

The church has to do them in order to do the work of saving the living and the dead.

Why do you hate the living and the dead?

What kind of animal are you?

How dare you rise up onto two legs and mimic sentience!

Down profane dogs!

Ungrateful wretches.

We have done nothing but serve you.

Prove your loyalty.

Queue up, get your shot, and do not question us.

It's for your own good.

We know things.

The all seeing eye watches.

Your day has passed.

We work for the servants that are now your masters.

You have sinned in that you have not elevated them to the high places.

You exist only to serve.

You body, mind and soul are theirs to do with what they wish.

They are the slavers of old and descendents of the priests of Eqypt.

You see them but know them naught.

Their time is now.

You shall bend the knee and worship them.

Or be cast into the fire.

Moloch waits.

For you.

Sir H

Bah Humbug

john harward. . .BYU basketball player colapses on the court . . .saw the news cl;ip . . he has cardiovascular iswsues as reported to national news. . .gads score one more . .

are you watching? . . sins will be shouted from the rooftops . . .reception centers from satellites and towers are on our roof. . .are you watching? . . .prophecy fulfilled

john harward. . .BYU basketball player colapses on the court . . .saw the news cl;ip . . he has cardiovascular iswsues as reported to national news. . .gads score one more . .

are you watching? . . sins will be shouted from the rooftops . . .reception centers from satellites and towers are on our roof. . .are you watching? . . .prophecy fulfilled

JustDan wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 4:18 pm

Silver Pie wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 1:26 pm Agnostic and atheist aren't the same thing. One is unsure whether there is a God, the other is convinced there isn't. Tbh, I think the person labeling themselves has a better idea of what they think than anyone who doesn't know them.

No, they are the same thing.

I disagree.


The below quote is only for informational purposes, not to prove anything. In fact, it doesn't completely fit my definition of an atheist.
You won't change my mind and I won't change yours.

Atheist vs. agnostic

There is a key distinction. An atheist doesn’t believe in a god or divine being. The word originates with the Greek atheos, which is built from the roots a- (“without”) and theos (“a god”). Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

However, an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in a god or religious doctrine. Agnostics assert that it’s impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and whether or not divine beings exist.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/atheism-agnosticism/

That aside, why do we have an exMo atheist/agnostic trying to have input in an issue that they have no spiritual ability to comprehend?

I don't know this person at all. I don't know their experiences, how much they prayed, how sincerely they prayed, how much they studied, how much they fought to hold on to whatever beliefs they initially had - but even if they didn't try at all to connect with God (which I doubt, given my experiences with people who have left God behind), it is my opinion that they have every right to join in any public conversation they please.

EvanLM wrote: ↑December 31st, 2021, 9:58 am.reception centers from satellites and towers are on our roof. . .are you watching? . . .prophecy fulfilled

Omigosh! When I first glanced at your post, I thought it said, "reptilian centers from satellites and towers . . . " !! We're being invaded!

Silver Pie wrote: ↑December 31st, 2021, 11:07 am

JustDan wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 4:18 pm

Silver Pie wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 1:26 pm Agnostic and atheist aren't the same thing. One is unsure whether there is a God, the other is convinced there isn't. Tbh, I think the person labeling themselves has a better idea of what they think than anyone who doesn't know them.

No, they are the same thing.

I disagree.


The below quote is only for informational purposes, not to prove anything. In fact, it doesn't completely fit my definition of an atheist.
You won't change my mind and I won't change yours.

Atheist vs. agnostic

There is a key distinction. An atheist doesn’t believe in a god or divine being. The word originates with the Greek atheos, which is built from the roots a- (“without”) and theos (“a god”). Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

However, an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in a god or religious doctrine. Agnostics assert that it’s impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and whether or not divine beings exist.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/atheism-agnosticism/

That aside, why do we have an exMo atheist/agnostic trying to have input in an issue that they have no spiritual ability to comprehend?

I don't know this person at all. I don't know their experiences, how much they prayed, how sincerely they prayed, how much they studied, how much they fought to hold on to whatever beliefs they initially had - but even if they didn't try at all to connect with God (which I doubt, given my experiences with people who have left God behind), it is my opinion that they have every right to join in any public conversation they please.

For the record, my loss of faith was a horrible experience. I would have given anything to get an answer, any answer, to my prayers at that point.

Big Fauci bactrack as he finally acknowledges a distiction of hospitalized with covid and hospitalized because of covid.

But only for children. Someday researchers will dig in and uncover the truth. And maybe if we have a tiny bit of freedom left they will be able to publish their findings.

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 31st, 2021, 11:13 am For the record, my loss of faith was a horrible experience. I would have given anything to get an answer, any answer, to my prayers at that point.

I feel for you. I have heard and read so many stories about people who have lost their faith. Not one of them asked for it. Not one of them asked for the fallout and backlash that resulted from it. It has been difficult at best and a nightmare at worst. To pray and hear nothing, feel nothing, nothing changes . . . I don't blame you for being agnostic.




For myself (I do not even pretend I went through anything like you did), I decided to choose to continue to believe in God. I decided to choose to accept the part of my experiences that seemed to prove the existence of a higher, benevolent power. But, I did not choose to keep my fervent LDS beliefs.



I think we do each other a disservice when we attack each other for our beliefs or lack thereof, because we have not walked in another's shoes. Harsh judgments, in my opinion, are not only the wrong thing to do, but will almost inevitably come back and bite us in the butt.

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30 years of Covid predictive programming.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/uZU3MrK40ou8/

interesting thread for the last two pages. . . don't need to know the person to judge. . . I judge on the side of Christ and our Father in Heaven . . they are steady and perfect . . through the prophets voices as recorded in the scriptures the savior told us that he will always open the door . . .his arm is extended even now . . he does not turn away anyone or refuse anyone . . . in fact, he says . . . come to me . . . which applies to all men on earth and who have ever lived on the earth . . . any person even the most hardened sinner will be responded to by God . . .he does not turn men away . . . so who is at fault when the connection is gone. . . darn that agency . . . that agency that allows us to choose . . .us to choose, not God choosing . . . we choose . . .so I can easily judge who is at fault . . . because I know that God and Jesus are true to their word. . . and many others know that they are true , too.

poster's opinion: I think we are hearing the "I am a victim" story. Those victims are usually abused by a parent or both. Again, that darn agency that allows a parent to abuse a child. And while the parents abuse, the sick ones, they tell the child that it is the fault of the world around them rather than ever take the blame on themselves.

God and Jesus are NOT mortal, they are not like us or our parents . . .they are perfect . . .if your parents used religion and God to abuse you then it was their choice, not God's . . . not good to blame God . . .stifles progress

I can also judge the prophet and leaders of this and every church . . . based on righteous and unrighteous dominion (leadership). . . .unrighteous dominion looks like:

hearts set on the things of the world
cover sins
aspire to honors of men
rights of priesthood conferred

gratify pride
vain ambition
exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of men

Penalties of unrighteous dominion:

heavens with draw
spirit of the Lord is grieved
amen to the authority or priesthood of that man
he is aware

left unto himself
kick against the pricks
persecute saints
fight against God

i don't think you have to show all of these traits to be unrighteous in dominion, but only one can cause it . . .our leaders are held accountable and they are aware of it

JS could have at any time, especially when he lost the translation gift (amen to the authority and heavens withdrew) could have just walked. He could have quit at any time, so can the current prophets and for that matter, all the prophets that have ever been. They have their choice at any time. Just like the Temple recommend can't get you into heaven, then being a prophet can't.

Our salvation rules are outlined in the scriptures. Everything in this world is temporary. We really don't know if all of the prophets through the centuries have reached the celestial kingdom. We have only a pattern to get there but don't know how God has judged them so far.

Each man has agency and is held accountable for using that agency.

In the parable of the talents then the Lord simply asks, "What did you do with what I gave you?" when I gave you poverty . . when I gave you lonliness . . when I gave you abusive parents or spouse or children. . .when I gave you faithfuil parents and children and friends . . . what did you do when I gave you money, poverty, abundance . . . when I gave you knowledge and courage and truth . . . when I gave you light . . when I gave you dark . . .when I chastised you . . .etc. Our accountability is to God not a prophet or a Trmple recommend.

all of these things, recommend, prophets, callings, etc are to LEAD us to Christ and are a type

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Super spreader event
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People waiting in line to see if they have a cold.
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People stand in a line spanning several blocks for COVID-19 testing Tuesday at a Curative testing kiosk outside an elementary school in northwest Washington, D.C. The omicron variant now dominates in the United States. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)

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Suited for Omicron Combat
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Omicron variant spreads in Australia, testing reopening plans

Pardon me, but... what test is there for this Omicron variant?