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AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 10:50 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 10:40 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 9:50 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 29th, 2021, 7:28 pm

Or you're just clueless

Are you able to address the substance of the article, or just going to run away from it because it might undermine your beliefs?

Don't worry. Nobody's out to get you. The government is on your side. There are no plans to take away everything you have.
These are just crazy conspiracy theories. We all suffer from apophenia.

You are hyper aware individual. All your opinions happen to be popular, but that's okay.... The common man is not a fool.



Lol I don't take you serious cuz you're just part of the silly masses being lead like cattle

So, no, you can't address the article.

Do you understand that the article doesn't prove me wrong and you right? Lol It's just defining words.
It puts us at square One.

Until you can prove that the pattern doesn't exist, all we can do is look at the fruit.

Is the government intruding on the private sector like never before? Hmmm

Are we moving away from freedom towards medical tyranny??? Hmmm

Are opposing phds being silenced? Hmmm

You're not new. History's riddled with fools who wake up one day with a boot on their neck.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:04 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 10:50 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 10:40 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 9:50 am

Are you able to address the substance of the article, or just going to run away from it because it might undermine your beliefs?

Don't worry. Nobody's out to get you. The government is on your side. There are no plans to take away everything you have.
These are just crazy conspiracy theories. We all suffer from apophenia.

You are hyper aware individual. All your opinions happen to be popular, but that's okay.... The common man is not a fool.



Lol I don't take you serious cuz you're just part of the silly masses being lead like cattle

So, no, you can't address the article.

Do you understand that the article doesn't prove me wrong and you right? Lol It's just defining words.
It puts us at square One.

Until you can prove that the pattern doesn't exist, all we can do is look at the fruit.

Is the government intruding on the private sector like never before? Hmmm

Are we moving away from freedom towards medical tyranny??? Hmmm

Are opposing phds being silenced? Hmmm

You're not new. History's riddled with fools who wake up one day with a boot on their neck.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

Let me spell some things out for you -

1 - You have no idea what I do and don't believe and you keep ascribing the opposite extreme to me.

2 - I do find the conspiracy theories being bandied out on this forum to be laughably improbable.

3 - Your responses show no self-awareness or strategy on how you might be combating those typical psychological pitfalls in reaching your conclusions; you just say garbage like "You're clueless."

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:29 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:04 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 10:50 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 10:40 am

Don't worry. Nobody's out to get you. The government is on your side. There are no plans to take away everything you have.
These are just crazy conspiracy theories. We all suffer from apophenia.

You are hyper aware individual. All your opinions happen to be popular, but that's okay.... The common man is not a fool.



Lol I don't take you serious cuz you're just part of the silly masses being lead like cattle

So, no, you can't address the article.

Do you understand that the article doesn't prove me wrong and you right? Lol It's just defining words.
It puts us at square One.

Until you can prove that the pattern doesn't exist, all we can do is look at the fruit.

Is the government intruding on the private sector like never before? Hmmm

Are we moving away from freedom towards medical tyranny??? Hmmm

Are opposing phds being silenced? Hmmm

You're not new. History's riddled with fools who wake up one day with a boot on their neck.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

Let me spell some things out for you -

1 - You have no idea what I do and don't believe and you keep ascribing the opposite extreme to me.

2 - I do find the conspiracy theories being bandied out on this forum to be laughably improbable.

3 - Your responses show no self-awareness or strategy on how you might be combating those typical psychological pitfalls in reaching your conclusions; you just say garbage like "You're clueless."

Are you LDS?

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:29 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:04 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 10:50 am

So, no, you can't address the article.

Do you understand that the article doesn't prove me wrong and you right? Lol It's just defining words.
It puts us at square One.

Until you can prove that the pattern doesn't exist, all we can do is look at the fruit.

Is the government intruding on the private sector like never before? Hmmm

Are we moving away from freedom towards medical tyranny??? Hmmm

Are opposing phds being silenced? Hmmm

You're not new. History's riddled with fools who wake up one day with a boot on their neck.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

Let me spell some things out for you -

1 - You have no idea what I do and don't believe and you keep ascribing the opposite extreme to me.

2 - I do find the conspiracy theories being bandied out on this forum to be laughably improbable.

3 - Your responses show no self-awareness or strategy on how you might be combating those typical psychological pitfalls in reaching your conclusions; you just say garbage like "You're clueless."

Are you LDS?

exmo

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:29 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:04 am

Do you understand that the article doesn't prove me wrong and you right? Lol It's just defining words.
It puts us at square One.

Until you can prove that the pattern doesn't exist, all we can do is look at the fruit.

Is the government intruding on the private sector like never before? Hmmm

Are we moving away from freedom towards medical tyranny??? Hmmm

Are opposing phds being silenced? Hmmm

You're not new. History's riddled with fools who wake up one day with a boot on their neck.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

Let me spell some things out for you -

1 - You have no idea what I do and don't believe and you keep ascribing the opposite extreme to me.

2 - I do find the conspiracy theories being bandied out on this forum to be laughably improbable.

3 - Your responses show no self-awareness or strategy on how you might be combating those typical psychological pitfalls in reaching your conclusions; you just say garbage like "You're clueless."

Are you LDS?

exmo

Are you Christian?

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:33 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:29 am

Let me spell some things out for you -

1 - You have no idea what I do and don't believe and you keep ascribing the opposite extreme to me.

2 - I do find the conspiracy theories being bandied out on this forum to be laughably improbable.

3 - Your responses show no self-awareness or strategy on how you might be combating those typical psychological pitfalls in reaching your conclusions; you just say garbage like "You're clueless."

Are you LDS?

exmo

Are you Christian?

How about we shortcut this - I am no longer LDS. Through a series of experiences and an extensive amount of research, I concluded I could no longer believe in the church's truth claims. Moreover, not long after, I determined that any claims of the divine are easily suspect. I don't like to label myself, but the closest I probably ascribe to is 'agnostic.' I believe in rationality. I believe in evidence evaluation and probabilistic review of both evidence and circumstances under which the evidence came to be. I don't believe in bogeymen, as a general rule.

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:37 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:33 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

Are you LDS?

exmo

Are you Christian?

How about we shortcut this - I am no longer LDS. Through a series of experiences and an extensive amount of research, I concluded I could no longer believe in the church's truth claims. Moreover, not long after, I determined that any claims of the divine are easily suspect. I don't like to label myself, but the closest I probably ascribe to is 'agnostic.' I believe in rationality. I believe in evidence evaluation and probabilistic review of both evidence and circumstances under which the evidence came to be. I don't believe in bogeymen, as a general rule.

How about we short-shortcut this and just say "Atheist".

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:37 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:33 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

Are you LDS?

exmo

Are you Christian?

How about we shortcut this - I am no longer LDS. Through a series of experiences and an extensive amount of research, I concluded I could no longer believe in the church's truth claims. Moreover, not long after, I determined that any claims of the divine are easily suspect. I don't like to label myself, but the closest I probably ascribe to is 'agnostic.' I believe in rationality. I believe in evidence evaluation and probabilistic review of both evidence and circumstances under which the evidence came to be. I don't believe in bogeymen, as a general rule.

So you believe in yourself and your own genius. This is the fastest growing religion in the world.

You got to give me some credit though... I told you that you were a guy with popular opinions.

Let me sum up what I think your future holds

Where the wind blows.... we'll find you. The end.

Lol I'm just talking ish. But for real, for your sake, I hope that the velvet glove comes off before you die... It will give you a chance to open that eye in the middle of your head.

Christ is God. He's alive. I've seen Him. You've been surrounded by self-proclaimed apostles who deny and lack the power thereof. This will change. There's an Awakening coming. I hope you're part of it. Until then, don't take my sh!t talking to heart..just banter back and we'll probably become friends.

Corona Devastates the MTC

Church spokesman Sam Penrod reported that 91 missionaries tested positive for COVID-19 after each of the 588 missionaries were tested. He said not many of the missionaries are feeling sick or showing symptoms

tribrac wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 12:20 pm Corona Devastates the MTC

Church spokesman Sam Penrod reported that 91 missionaries tested positive for COVID-19 after each of the 588 missionaries were tested. He said not many of the missionaries are feeling sick or showing symptoms

I wouldn't consider that number devastating the MTC, but the fact that hardly any were actually sick is telling.

The headline was mine. It might have been sarcastic.

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:37 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:33 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

Are you LDS?

exmo

Are you Christian?

How about we shortcut this - I am no longer LDS. Through a series of experiences and an extensive amount of research, I concluded I could no longer believe in the church's truth claims. Moreover, not long after, I determined that any claims of the divine are easily suspect. I don't like to label myself, but the closest I probably ascribe to is 'agnostic.' I believe in rationality. I believe in evidence evaluation and probabilistic review of both evidence and circumstances under which the evidence came to be. I don't believe in bogeymen, as a general rule.

Other than the dreaded and horrible COVIDS!!, that is.
dc

tribrac wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 12:20 pm Corona Devastates the MTC

Church spokesman Sam Penrod reported that 91 missionaries tested positive for COVID-19 after each of the 588 missionaries were tested. He said not many of the missionaries are feeling sick or showing symptoms

Let me guess, those PCR tests were set at 40+ cycles? And let me guess, ALL of those missionaries were jabbed? (Oh of course they were all jabbed. Can't go to the MTC without it. LOL)


I wonder how many of those missionaries, sick or not, are starting to question the pronouncement from the prophet that wearing masks and getting jabbed is the ONLY WAY TO WIN THE WARRRR!!!!!

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:39 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:37 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:33 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

exmo

Are you Christian?

How about we shortcut this - I am no longer LDS. Through a series of experiences and an extensive amount of research, I concluded I could no longer believe in the church's truth claims. Moreover, not long after, I determined that any claims of the divine are easily suspect. I don't like to label myself, but the closest I probably ascribe to is 'agnostic.' I believe in rationality. I believe in evidence evaluation and probabilistic review of both evidence and circumstances under which the evidence came to be. I don't believe in bogeymen, as a general rule.

How about we short-shortcut this and just say "Atheist".

How about I get to decide what I call myself and I'll afford you the same privilege?

David13 wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 1:01 pm

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:37 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:33 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:32 am

exmo

Are you Christian?

How about we shortcut this - I am no longer LDS. Through a series of experiences and an extensive amount of research, I concluded I could no longer believe in the church's truth claims. Moreover, not long after, I determined that any claims of the divine are easily suspect. I don't like to label myself, but the closest I probably ascribe to is 'agnostic.' I believe in rationality. I believe in evidence evaluation and probabilistic review of both evidence and circumstances under which the evidence came to be. I don't believe in bogeymen, as a general rule.

Other than the dreaded and horrible COVIDS!!, that is.
dc

If by that, you mean I believe there is an actual virus making people sick, then, yes. If by that, you mean I'm afraid of some conspiracy to destroy swaths of the population through either: 1) a man-made virus exported from China with the assistance of a mysterious cabal of globalists; or 2), the distribution of a vaccine specifically designed by the same mysterious of cabal to engage in eugenics (see Khan Nonnian Singh), then, no.

tribrac wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 12:56 pm The headline was mine. It might have been sarcastic.

I should have known.

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 1:12 pm

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:39 am

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:37 am

nightlight wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:33 am

Are you Christian?

How about we shortcut this - I am no longer LDS. Through a series of experiences and an extensive amount of research, I concluded I could no longer believe in the church's truth claims. Moreover, not long after, I determined that any claims of the divine are easily suspect. I don't like to label myself, but the closest I probably ascribe to is 'agnostic.' I believe in rationality. I believe in evidence evaluation and probabilistic review of both evidence and circumstances under which the evidence came to be. I don't believe in bogeymen, as a general rule.

How about we short-shortcut this and just say "Atheist".

How about I get to decide what I call myself and I'll afford you the same privilege?

You wanted to keep it brief and I simply came up with a one word answer to what you described. Sorry, man.

Agnostic and atheist aren't the same thing. One is unsure whether there is a God, the other is convinced there isn't. Tbh, I think the person labeling themselves has a better idea of what they think than anyone who doesn't know them.

Well, duh. How daft does a person have to be to think there was ever going to be an end to the shots?

https://www.theblaze.com/news/fauci-it- ... Engagement

Fauci: 'It is conceivable' that another COVID-19 vaccine shot could be needed on top of booster

December 29, 2021

Dr. Anthony Fauci described it as "conceivable" that people could potentially need another COVID-19 vaccine shot on top of their booster dose, though he noted that it will depend on the findings regarding the initial booster dose.

Even though full vaccination with the mRNA vaccines involves two shots, Johnson & Johnson's Janssen COVID-19 vaccine only involves one shot for full vaccination. For those fully vaccinated with two shots of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, an additional jab on top of the booster would represent shot number four.

Is it possible pfizer has a dollar amount in mind and Fauci and company will do anything to get them to that number?

I also wonder if Omicron is God's way of resolving this mess. A version of the virus close enough to give you immunity, but not deadly and symptoms most people can handle without a doctor.

Remember, when they told everyone who had been recovered from covid to get a vax to achieve "super immunity". Well after everyone has omicron and a vax, how can they spin a need for another booster ?

tribrac wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 2:01 pm Is it possible pfizer has a dollar amount in mind and Fauci and company will do anything to get them to that number?

I think it is more likely they have a body count in mind.

But I am just a conspiracy theorist.

They say they want to help us.

I think they want to kill us.

How much fiat money do they want?

None.

They get paid in souls.

Sir H

tribrac wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 2:01 pm Is it possible pfizer has a dollar amount in mind . . . .?

Silver Pie wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 1:26 pm Agnostic and atheist aren't the same thing. One is unsure whether there is a God, the other is convinced there isn't. Tbh, I think the person labeling themselves has a better idea of what they think than anyone who doesn't know them.

No, they are the same thing.

Agnostic is Atheist. It is simply a technicality. These "agnostics" are so intelligent to recognise that there is no God, but also recognise that it is not possible to prove there is no God, so conclude that they are agnostic. In every sense of the word, they are atheist. Only, that they acknowledge there is the slimmest slightest chance they could be wrong...

I have a brother who is too intelligent to believe in God. He too is Agnostic... *ahem* Atheist.

That aside, why do we have an exMo atheist/agnostic trying to have input in an issue that they have no spiritual ability to comprehend?

JustDan wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 4:18 pm

Silver Pie wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 1:26 pm Agnostic and atheist aren't the same thing. One is unsure whether there is a God, the other is convinced there isn't. Tbh, I think the person labeling themselves has a better idea of what they think than anyone who doesn't know them.

No, they are the same thing.

Agnostic is Atheist. It is simply a technicality. These "agnostics" are so intelligent to recognise that there is no God, but also recognise that it is not possible to prove there is no God, so conclude that they are agnostic. In every sense of the word, they are atheist. Only, that they acknowledge there is the slimmest slightest chance they could be wrong...

I have a brother who is too intelligent to believe in God. He too is Agnostic... *ahem* Atheist.

That aside, why do we have an exMo atheist/agnostic trying to have input in an issue that they have no spiritual ability to comprehend?

Awww, what a lovely sentiment. Nice to know you just cast aside your fellow human because you don't think they have your same spiritual capacity, and you do so knowing next to nothing about me! So charitable and Christ-like.