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dconrad000 wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 7:40 am This is an extremely interesting interview:



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If this is a hoax, then the Jokes on us. Who is really behind this great hoax? Satan he rages in the hearts of the children of men. Fear now rules the world... He has power to move upon people and they react, God wants people to act not react!

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 5:48 am

markharr wrote: ↑April 20th, 2020, 2:57 pm

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 20th, 2020, 2:01 pm There is a difference between fear-mongering propaganda and telling it like it is. But maybe you have some conspiracy theory you prefer to reality.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Did you know that every 1% increase in unemployment leads to 70,000 suicides in the US? People who have young families to care for and years ahead of them.

https://digitalcommons.bryant.edu/cgi/v ... _economics

Oh OK. I get it. Let's not bother to try to save lives by altering our discretionary behaviour, since this pales into insignificance compared to the determinism of suicides per % point of unemployment.

Best wishes, 2RM.

You are not "saving lives". I'm sure when you say that to yourself you feel really big and important.

But you are actually being hoaxed.

Every 3 or 4 years they come along with some great disease which will kill millions of people, bodies will be laying all over the street, we need to spend billions to 'prevent' it, etc.

This is nothing new.

There was SARS, and Ebola, and H1N1 and many others which have been listed on this forum.

And they all proved to be much ado about nothing.

Washing your hands cannot prevent a disease that is not on your hands.

Where I live there are NO cases. You cannot not catch something that is not there.

They lie to you. That does NOT mean you should believe them.
dc

David13 wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 8:03 am

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 5:48 am

markharr wrote: ↑April 20th, 2020, 2:57 pm

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 20th, 2020, 2:01 pm There is a difference between fear-mongering propaganda and telling it like it is. But maybe you have some conspiracy theory you prefer to reality.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Did you know that every 1% increase in unemployment leads to 70,000 suicides in the US? People who have young families to care for and years ahead of them.

https://digitalcommons.bryant.edu/cgi/v ... _economics

Oh OK. I get it. Let's not bother to try to save lives by altering our discretionary behaviour, since this pales into insignificance compared to the determinism of suicides per % point of unemployment.

Best wishes, 2RM.

You are not "saving lives". I'm sure when you say that to yourself you feel really big and important.

But you are actually being hoaxed.

Every 3 or 4 years they come along with some great disease...

Hmmm. And your evidence for this alleged 'hoax' is precisely - what? Ebola, Sars, etc were real phenomena, which, were it not for the swift, decisive and courageous action of healthcare professionals, many of whom were volunteers, may well have killed many thousands. And now they request just that we stay locked down, for our own good and that of others, and some people can't even manage that without complaining about loss of rights and freedoms, etc. To be honest, that is sickening.

Best wishes, 2RM.

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 8:40 am [

Hmmm. And your evidence for this 'hoax' is precisely - what? Ebola, Sars, etc were real phenomena, which, were it not for the swift and courageous action of healthcare professionals, may well have killed many thousands. And now they request just that we stay locked down, for our own good and that of others, and people can't even manage that without complaining about loss of rights and freedoms, etc. To be honest, that is sickening.

Best wishes, 2RM.

The virus is real, the reaction to it is the hoax. This has been covered repeatedly in this thread. It's a straw man fallacy for you to continue accusing others of calling the virus a hoax. Not a single one of their models have been correct. Not a single one of their models has been even close. The state with the most draconian mitigation measures has had by far the highest number of infections, and deaths. The states with the least mitigation measures have had fewer infections. The models being off has nothing to do with mitigation.

Salt lake county mayor is angered by the egregious violations of her covid-19 orders.

She doesn't seem to care whether you are angered by her egregious violation of the constitution.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46743562/sa ... oronavirus

Everything is cyclical and the corona virus is no different. Research out of Isreal shows the virus peaked in early April.

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinam ... n-n2566915

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 9:07 am Not a single one of their models have been correct. Not a single one of their models has been even close.

That's not entirely surprising, because most of us cannot see into the future. Maybe you are different in this respect, but I can go only so far as the management guru Peter Drucker went: we know only two things about the future. 1) It won't be like today, and 2) It won't be like we expect. Given that, it is sensible to proceed on the precautionary principle; plan for the worst, but hope for the best. And support our elected representatives as they try to come to grips with the problems life fires point blank and in rapid succession at us all. That is, until they prove themselves to be either incompetent or corrupt.

Best wishes, 2RM.

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 8:40 am

David13 wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 8:03 am

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 5:48 am

markharr wrote: ↑April 20th, 2020, 2:57 pm


Did you know that every 1% increase in unemployment leads to 70,000 suicides in the US? People who have young families to care for and years ahead of them.

https://digitalcommons.bryant.edu/cgi/v ... _economics

Oh OK. I get it. Let's not bother to try to save lives by altering our discretionary behaviour, since this pales into insignificance compared to the determinism of suicides per % point of unemployment.

Best wishes, 2RM.

You are not "saving lives". I'm sure when you say that to yourself you feel really big and important.

But you are actually being hoaxed.

Every 3 or 4 years they come along with some great disease...

Hmmm. And your evidence for this alleged 'hoax' is precisely - what? Ebola, Sars, etc were real phenomena, which, were it not for the swift, decisive and courageous action of healthcare professionals, many of whom were volunteers, may well have killed many thousands. And now they request just that we stay locked down, for our own good and that of others, and some people can't even manage that without complaining about loss of rights and freedoms, etc. To be honest, that is sickening.

Best wishes, 2RM.

It's not worth it. Everyone falls into one of two groups, and both think the other side is infected with herd mentality. There's never any middle ground, never a gray area. It's a hoax, or it's a catalysmic event. He's the best President, or he's a racist bigot rapist. It's the best form of government, or it's Satan's government. Always extremes.

People will claim pneumonia deaths are lower than usual, being counted as covid-19 deaths. They will ignore FACTUAL INFORMATION showing the exact opposite, that pneumonia deaths are way up, that numbers lag behind and previous weeks will be added upon.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=54711

^^ Take note. People don't want unbiased news. They don't want numbers that haven't been manipulated. Low views, no comments. People don't want facts. They want information fed to them that confirms their bias. It's comfortable. If I had shared a FALSE STORY about pneumonia numbers dropping, it'd have 4-5 likes, a bunch of comments piggy-backing on each other about this hoax.

People don't want facts. Liberals will continue reposting memes and stories about how blood is on trumps hands and how covid-19 is all his fault, conservatives will keep posting about how this is a hoax and bill Gates helped create it and spread it and they purposely bump up the numbers whenever it's looking like it's in decline.

Facts don't matter. People will believe what they want to believe. Story pops up that doesn't confirm your bias? Close it. Story pops up confirming your bias? Save it, share it on facebook. No sources? No matter. Unreliable? Anything that's just a random youtube channel is reliable now days, apparently. A nurse shares a picture of an empty hospital? Share it, it's proof that its a hoax. Nurse shares a picture of a full hospital? Family members share stories of overworked doctors? Hoax. Don't share it.

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 9:07 am The virus is real, the reaction to it is the hoax.

Interesting. If you were king of the USA for a day, or a week, or a month, or a year, what would be your reaction to the virus?

Best wishes, 2RM.

Personally, I would like to see and hear emergency room and ICU support care medical staff testimonies as to what is actually happening "on the front lines".

My husband heard a 'contract' nurse talk about emergency room realities where she works in the same Bellingham, WA hospital where our daughter-in-law works. This woman's NPR account concentrated more on comparing the ebola outbreak in Africa with the coronavirus outbreak. According to the NPR record of that interview, she has moved on to more intense emergency room assignments in NYC. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... -be-afraid

At the bottom of the 'goats & soda' story dated April 13, we are told Martha Phillips left for New York 'over the weekend'. I assume they meant the previous weekend - being Easter weekend.

The facebook posts by Phillips I've seen are - to my way of thinking - callous to her patients' struggle for life. Why would anyone expose such intimate details - even in a casual manner - without a conscious purpose in doing so?

I've witnessed and intervened in the process of death many times in the livestock I tend. I have no impulse to share their suffering with an audience. Why would I?

Here's one of her facebook posts dated April 18 - which suggests she is still in Bellingham, WA.

April 18 at 9:38 PM

And, just like that, the surge is done. It’s like someone turned off a faucet.

There are still patients with COVID coming in, of course. And the inpatient units are full, trying to recover those struggling with their illness.

Or allowing those who aren’t going to recover a last chance to FaceTime with family, and relinquish the weight of this mortal coil in peace.

But we’re back to having more nurses than patients in the ED again. The staff nurses are profoundly relieved.

Agency nurses are wondering if our contracts will be cancelled, if we are going to be asked to stay to brace for the inevitable second surge, or if we should get ready to head home. I suppose we’ll wait and see how the giant cogs that make up the machinery of the New York City hospitals turn and churn in these uncertain days.

For now, of my three tonight in the observation unit, one will go home tomorrow; one still treads the long and arduous path of recovery (imagine being so dyspnic on 6L of O2 that you can’t eat more than three bites without needing to rest); and one will die here, slowly fading away in the coming days, so we turn them and keep them warm and help them breathe so they don’t suffer.

What strange hours we pass through, in the dim dark hum of the night shift, watching the pandemic flow and ebb from behind our masks.

And another from her facebook page:

April 19 at 1:16 AM ·

The first surge is over. The second one will be dozens of protestors still waving their confederate flags from their ED stretcher as they slowly suffocate behind their hi-flo oxygen masks.

Sounds to me she is gleefully waiting to watch those with whom she has a political antipathy to die. Creepy....

Zathura wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 9:57 am ...It's not worth it...

Ah. I may be naïve, but I think a discussion is always worth it. Even if not immediately fruitful, it sows the seeds of future enlightenment. And it's all part of 'The Great Debate'.

Zathura wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 9:57 am ...Everyone falls into one of two groups,...

Indeed they do. Those who divide the world into two groups, and those who don't!

Best wishes, 2RM.

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 10:22 am

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 9:07 am The virus is real, the reaction to it is the hoax.

Interesting. If you were king of the USA for a day, or a week, or a month, or a year, what would be your reaction to the virus?

Best wishes, 2RM.

Exactly the same as the governor of South Dakota.

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 10:41 am
Exactly the same as the governor of South Dakota.

Which is what, precisely? Forgive my ignorance, but I watch the political doings, comings and goings of the USA from Europe, (where we also have a Covid-19 issue), and unless it is reported on media I have access to, am liable to miss.

Best wishes, 2RM.

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 10:52 am

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 10:41 am
Exactly the same as the governor of South Dakota.

Which is what, precisely? Forgive my ignorance, but I watch the political doings, comings and goings of the USA from Europe, (where we also have a Covid-19 issue), and unless it is reported on media I have access to, am liable to miss.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Alresdy covered. Read back through the comments in this thread

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:00 am

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 10:52 am

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 10:41 am
Exactly the same as the governor of South Dakota.

Which is what, precisely? Forgive my ignorance, but I watch the political doings, comings and goings of the USA from Europe, (where we also have a Covid-19 issue), and unless it is reported on media I have access to, am liable to miss.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Alresdy covered. Read back through the comments in this thread

Humour me. Provide a link.

Best wishes, 2RM.

From a post:

Hot mic before White House briefing reveals falsity of CV agenda

Watch video below. Transcript:
"You can take off the mask Doug, the base mortality rate's like 0.1 to 0.3 according to USC."
"Is it really? That's reassuring. Everybody here's been vaccinated anyway."
"USC and LA county public health has come out with a study. They found that there's 7,000 cases in California, but they really believe that there are anywhere between 221,000 to 442,000 people who were infected."
"Really?"
"Yeah."
"So that makes it zero 0.1 to 0.3?"
"Yup." "Is the study come out < inaudible > ?"
"Yeah, just came in today."
"So it suggests that the case fatality rate is about of a tenth of what it seems to be."
"Puts it right in line with the flu."
"Yeah exactly that's what it is, the flu."
"So it's a hoax!"
"I don't think it's a hoax."
"Ha ha ha."
"Ha ha ha ha."

Of course, we already knew this.

But meanwhile, virtually the entire human civilization is terrorized, on house arrest / under martial law, the economy in shambles, people being prevented from providing for themselves, relationships and families torn apart, suicides and depression going through the roof, people being socially engineered to accept being ruled by a one-world technological dictatorship.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B_P8RaRBfh ... ht08a0oqrj

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:02 am
Humour me. Provide a link.

Best wishes, 2RM.

The lord loves effort.

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:18 am

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:02 am
Humour me. Provide a link.

Best wishes, 2RM.

The lord loves effort.

He might. He is eternal and has infinite time. I, however, am not and do not, and prefer people to say what they mean, and mean what they say, and provide the references they refer to.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Chip wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:29 amScreensho.jpg

Damn, that abortion number.... my gosh

Alexander wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:42 am

Chip wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:29 amScreensho.jpg

Damn, that abortion number.... my gosh5

The sacrifices to Molech/Ba'al must continue.

Dr Pangloss. Who was he?

What did he say?

Ah, this is the best world, of all possible best worlds. Or do I have it all wrong?
dc

Gee, the Doctors know everything, don't they. But they are not only genius, but also hero.

Except for one of mine, who won't see me, but only talk to me on the telephone. Well, then, that's heroic, isn't it?

In fact, my understanding is that doctors in all of Utah are not now seeing patients. Only talking to them on the telephone. That'a brave, isn''t it?

Let me review, genius, hero, and brave.

Who can tell me how a doctor becomes a doctor, and it never occurs to them that they will ... horror of horrors, ... be around ... sick people?

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 9:09 am Salt lake county mayor is angered by the egregious violations of her covid-19 orders.

She doesn't seem to care whether you are angered by her egregious violation of the constitution.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46743562/sa ... oronavirus

A couple of things I would like to point out. I will begin with this quote:

We’re developing a society because of all these different toxins known to affect brain function. We’re seeing a society that not only has a lot more people of lower IQ, but a lot fewer people of higher IQ. In other words a dumbing down, a chemical dumbing down of society. So everyone’s just sort of mediocre. That leaves them dependent on government. Because they can’t excel. We have these people of lower IQ who are totally dependent, and we have this mass of people who are going to believe anything they’re told because they can’t really think clearly. And very few people of very high IQ who have good cognitive function who can figure this all out. And that’s what they want.
--Chemical Dumbing Down Of Society - Dr. Russell Blaylock
Mar 24, 2013
https://youtu.be/0l_K9nVtHEY?list=UUPvD ... 8RMg&t=180

It seems to me Jenny Wilson possibly falls in the last category. Either she doesn’t have good enough cognitive function to figure it all out what is happening in reality, or she is ignorant of the requirements of the Oath of Office provisions of the Constitutions.

The other thing I would like to point out is that Jenny Wilson does not have an oath of office filed with the secretary of state, as required by law. As such, she has no authority derived from the People through the Constitutions.

If the Constitution(s) prevent a government from deploying an agenda counter to the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but the government does it anyway, and the government escapes immediate judicial or militia action, then the rule of Law is no longer in effect.

I would also point out that the state of Utah doesn’t have the well-regulated militia necessary to the security of a free State. The commander and chief of the militia of the state is the Governor, and currently, Utah doesn’t have a Governor for the same reason Jenny Wilson is not the Mayor. Which puts the People of the state of Utah in a real pickle as we don’t have the lawful authority to remove these people from these lawless government institutions.

In my view, the only remedy to the awful situation is to form a new government as required by law.

Frankly, I don’t see this happening, so I'm preparing for the next world war. I'm gathering sticks and stones.

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:22 am

markharr wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:18 am

SecondRateMind wrote: ↑April 21st, 2020, 11:02 am
Humour me. Provide a link.

Best wishes, 2RM.

The lord loves effort.

He might. He is eternal and has infinite time. I, however, am not and do not,

...



Best wishes, 2RM.

Well, you have certainly fooled me, and pretty good, too.

I did get the distinct impression that you did have a lot of free time.

So I also think it could be better used doing some research, maybe about the whole "pandemic" issue.

And in doing so, ask your journalistic questions. Who, what, where, when, how, and, and, oh, ...

Oh, what does Joe Biden say, ah, you know the thing.
dc