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2ndRateMind wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 2:30 pm Sadly, my father died last week. The nursing home he was at sent him to hospital, as they were worried about him, and while he was there he was tested for covid. The test came back positive, and three days later he was dead. So don't tell me covid-19 is a hoax, or that the safety precautions the government urges on us and legislates for are a wasted effort and a second hoax. What bugs me most is that the vaccine is now being rolled out here in the UK only 10 days after his death. If only he had not caught the virus so quickly after going to hospital, he would have been vaccinated and safe.

Best wishes, 2RM

Sadly, my father died last week. The nursing home he was at sent him to hospital, as they were worried about him, and while he was there he was tested for covid. The test came back positive, and three days later he was dead

2ndRateMind wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 2:30 pm Sadly, my father died last week. The nursing home he was at sent him to hospital, as they were worried about him, and while he was there he was tested for covid. The test came back positive, and three days later he was dead. So don't tell me covid-19 is a hoax, or that the safety precautions the government urges on us and legislates for are a wasted effort and a second hoax. What bugs me most is that the vaccine is now being rolled out here in the UK only 10 days after his death. If only he had not caught the virus so quickly after going to hospital, he would have been vaccinated and safe.

Best wishes, 2RM

2ndRateMind wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 2:30 pm Sadly, my father died last week. The nursing home he was at sent him to hospital, as they were worried about him, and while he was there he was tested for covid. The test came back positive, and three days later he was dead. So don't tell me covid-19 is a hoax, or that the safety precautions the government urges on us and legislates for are a wasted effort and a second hoax. What bugs me most is that the vaccine is now being rolled out here in the UK only 10 days after his death. If only he had not caught the virus so quickly after going to hospital, he would have been vaccinated and safe.

Best wishes, 2RM

2ndRateMind wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 2:30 pm Sadly, my father died last week. The nursing home he was at sent him to hospital, as they were worried about him, and while he was there he was tested for covid. The test came back positive, and three days later he was dead. So don't tell me covid-19 is a hoax, or that the safety precautions the government urges on us and legislates for are a wasted effort and a second hoax. What bugs me most is that the vaccine is now being rolled out here in the UK only 10 days after his death. If only he had not caught the virus so quickly after going to hospital, he would have been vaccinated and safe.

Best wishes, 2RM

Chip wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 3:14 pm Ivermectin:

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... _vc=-10005

A doctor describing its efficacy:

https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w

Sarah wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 2:12 pm A friend and co-worker of my husband just lost his 86 year-old dad to covid.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 9:17 am Did you ask the doctors and nurses what amplification cycle they used for their PCR test to determine a positive result? Did they put him on a ventilator when maybe they should not have? I'd be asking a Sh*t ton more questions if this were my father.

Sarah wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 2:12 pm A friend and co-worker of my husband just lost his 86 year-old dad to covid.

markharr wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 2:44 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 2:12 pm A friend and co-worker of my husband just lost his 86 year-old dad to covid.

Assuming this emotional argument is even true since there is no way to independently verify it, is not justification for shutting the entire country down. This virus is very little risk to anyone under the age of 60 unless they happen to be someone who has a weakened immune system. The elderly and those at risk and their caretakers should take reasonable precautions as they should against any illness including common seasonal influenza which could also kill them.

This is the reasonable position taken by the over 50,000 medical professionals who have signed the great Barrington declaration.

Toto wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 6:46 pm

markharr wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 2:44 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 2:12 pm A friend and co-worker of my husband just lost his 86 year-old dad to covid.

Assuming this emotional argument is even true since there is no way to independently verify it, is not justification for shutting the entire country down. This virus is very little risk to anyone under the age of 60 unless they happen to be someone who has a weakened immune system. The elderly and those at risk and their caretakers should take reasonable precautions as they should against any illness including common seasonal influenza which could also kill them.

This is the reasonable position taken by the over 50,000 medical professionals who have signed the great Barrington declaration.

Toto knows four people that have been sick. There are others he has heard about, but none of which have died of or with Covid-19. And since the beginning of this supposed “pandemic”, he hasn’t been able to find statistics that shows the current death rates from all causes exceeds the norm. In fact, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that this Covid-19 virus actually exists as it seems nobody running this little horse and pony show has even isolated this Covid-19 virus. Perhaps it would be more realistic to rename this invisible enemy Covid-1984.

In the recent past Toto has shared the same thoughts as Mark. At the beginning of this supposed pandemic, a client knew Ken Garff, an older gentleman who passed away, supposedly from Covid-19. My question was, did they verify this particular virus using an electron microscope? And I expressed to a gal living above me my feelings that there was no good reason for shutting down the economy over a seasonal flu, if it actually was a virus causing all this disease. Then I talked to another gal, also living above me, who works at Primary Children’s Hospital, and asked how it was affecting that hospital. She said it wasn’t a big deal because kids weren’t affected. And I learned just recently from another IHC employee, and a client, that IHC was utilizing the Primary Children’s hospital for overflow if needed.

One of the things my doctor and Grand Father said that stuck with me when I was a teenager, was that it seems like every time the government gets involved, it seemed they always mess things up! That seems to be the case more-so today than it was then. I have his belt buckle I am wearing as I write that contains a one ounce Walking Liberty gold coin that reminds me of the combinations we have allowed to get above us. And just recently, Larry Millers family was selling his coin collection. His coins were fetching quite a bit of dough and they were using the proceeds it to build a new hospital. I serves to remind me that honest money never fails, and I believe if we would return to honest money, the Silver and Gold Coin of the Constitution, the banksters and the corporations that grew up around them would fall in the pit they dug for themselves and we could get on with the Lord’s work. Honest money never fails.

I attended a Current Events class at the Kimber Academy years ago taught by Cleon Skousen. It was in January, extremely cold, and as usual, we were in the middle of the usual cold and flu season. The class was terminated midstream out of concern for his health due to his age. Now to me, that seems like a good exercise in self-governance. If governments hadn’t stuck their nose in where it doesn’t belong, things would probably have continued as normal this year as with any other cold and flu seasons.

My Mother passed away this summer. She was just short of 83 years old and living in a retirement community. Considering everything she suffered from, it was a nice environment given the circumstances. That is, right up until the facility was put in lock down. It was very frustrating to me not to be able to visit with and help when needed. But what really bothered me was when she said she felt like she was in prison. To me, her passing was one of joy, not loss, as she was able to get out of this life and not have to put up with any more of the kind of the codswallop we are now experiencing. And it seems like it is going to get a lot worse until such time we stand in the light of full understanding of this “hoax pandemic”, and put an end to this communitarian insanity.

For 2ndRateMind, I might suggest that while it is always sad to lose a loved one, it might help to change your perspective on life. There is no death. We are eternal beings. But we are fast approaching the fork in the road where we have to make some critical decisions in this temporal life. There are two roads we can take. One leads to eternal life, and the other to eternal damnation. Toto believes if we get it right, humanity can look forward to a thousand year of peace on this planet. Quite frankly, the alternative is not what Toto would prefer to experience!

Toto once heard it said that from dust thou art, to dust thou shall return. I have to admit that sometimes Toto considers incorporating a little more dirt in his diet to get back from whence he came, because Toto is sick. While it is easy to get into this life, it’s not so easy to get out of it, so realistically, eating a dirty diet probably isn’t a good work around. But please understand, Toto is not sick WITH Covid-19. He is sick OF Covid-19, and the reality is our lives depend on microbes and viruses for our very survival, and Toto would would prefer to end this pandemic hoax so we can get on with the Lord’s work.

Yesterday, if not sooner.

Fred wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 12:04 am From the government point of view, it is a way to reduce populations of elderly and minorities. This has been the goal of the democrats since the civil war. When people can be so easily frightened and go into a tizzy over a cnn report, why spoil all the fun with a $1 cure available without a prescription. Besides, if people take the shot we can change their behavior just by shining a different color light on them.