LDS Freedom Forum

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:34 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:32 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:15 am Why doesn’t BYU celebrate traditional marriage and being straight then?

Part of why these things gain attraction is because there is no opposition.
Why have a celebration for straight people? Or traditional family? Because it’s been the norm for so long. Well, maybe it’s time to stand up?

If gays can have a celebration then straights can too. They should. It would be a much larger force.

I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition.

ROFLOL. A day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure you really understand where we are at in this culture. I'm not making fun of you, but you are about 4 years too late. I dare you to organize a celebration for straight people and the traditional family. Watch the hate fly in. Last year a few people tried to organize a straight parade. They were called white supremacist, bigots, haters, homophobes, etc. You will be fired from your job for participating (or your husband will be), you will become a parahia if you are known in real life. You will be banned from facebook groups, called an evil, horrible person.

I really am glad to see people waking up to what has happened, I really am. I just wish you'd be apart of the hard-core fight 4-5 years ago. Instead, too many people were worrying about "equality" or some other dumb stuff.

At this point, I'm telling you the war is lost; 4-5 years ago maybe not. At this point, yeah the war is lost. I just hope God somehow preserves a remnant and I'm part of it.
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"I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition."
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You simply don't understand. The traditional folks no longer exists, they all believe in homosexuality now. They all become converted to homosexuality, the war was being fought 4-5 years ago.

Especially inside the Church! As soon as the Church stated open homosexuals could be fully participating members as long as they didn't "act on it"-that was the time to fight. That was the time to stand up and be counted. Instead everyone gave a bunch of excuses about how it was totally cool and fine. And THIS is the logical, spiritual result from it.

I disagree about it being too late. It takes our Living and Merciful Heavenly Father out of the equation. He even blesses those who wake up late.

Of course we should fight and stand for truth and righteousness. Some stalwart Catholics (whose plight is far worse than ours) are leading by example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaSpI4-g1Gg

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:23 am

Thinker wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:16 am
This makes them more susceptible to other mental manipulation like that of homosexual propaganda. This may be why some lds - even church leaders - have done such a 180 on the “Family Proclamation to the World.” That, and they want praises of men - to seem “loving” when really it’s CRUEL to support homosexual behavior when it’s known to be harmful.

Which church leaders have done a 180 on the Proclamation?

• "Tolerance applies to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies to truth, but never to persons. Tolerance applies to the erring; intolerance to the error." -F. Sheen

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:09 am
Make sure you're not drinking some green tea while kissing your same-sex significant other.

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:39 am

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:34 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:32 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:15 am Why doesn’t BYU celebrate traditional marriage and being straight then?

Part of why these things gain attraction is because there is no opposition.
Why have a celebration for straight people? Or traditional family? Because it’s been the norm for so long. Well, maybe it’s time to stand up?

If gays can have a celebration then straights can too. They should. It would be a much larger force.

I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition.

ROFLOL. A day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure you really understand where we are at in this culture. I'm not making fun of you, but you are about 4 years too late. I dare you to organize a celebration for straight people and the traditional family. Watch the hate fly in. Last year a few people tried to organize a straight parade. They were called white supremacist, bigots, haters, homophobes, etc. You will be fired from your job for participating (or your husband will be), you will become a parahia if you are known in real life. You will be banned from facebook groups, called an evil, horrible person.

I really am glad to see people waking up to what has happened, I really am. I just wish you'd be apart of the hard-core fight 4-5 years ago. Instead, too many people were worrying about "equality" or some other dumb stuff.

At this point, I'm telling you the war is lost; 4-5 years ago maybe not. At this point, yeah the war is lost. I just hope God somehow preserves a remnant and I'm part of it.
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"I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition."
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You simply don't understand. The traditional folks no longer exists, they all believe in homosexuality now. They all become converted to homosexuality, the war was being fought 4-5 years ago.

Especially inside the Church! As soon as the Church stated open homosexuals could be fully participating members as long as they didn't "act on it"-that was the time to fight. That was the time to stand up and be counted. Instead everyone gave a bunch of excuses about how it was totally cool and fine. And THIS is the logical, spiritual result from it.

I disagree about it being too late. It takes our Living and Merciful Heavenly Father out of the equation. He even blesses those who wake up late.

Of course we should fight and stand for truth and righteousness. Some stalwart Catholics (whose plight is far worse than ours) are leading by example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaSpI4-g1Gg

You bring up a good point. We should fight for what is right no matter the consequences.

In the Church we should stand up and be counted regardless of it is too late or not.

When I say too late, I mean barring a major cataclysmic event or a split in the Church as a whole the church will accept homosexuality. It already has accepted homosexuality in most regards, just no sex or marriage at this point.

Unless you go to the root of the problem it will not stop. The root of the problem is that we do not believe that the homosexual can change or should change, we do not believe homosexuality if the mind is a sin.

Unless and until we change our view on that it will not stop.

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:44 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:39 am

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:34 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:32 am
ROFLOL. A day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure you really understand where we are at in this culture. I'm not making fun of you, but you are about 4 years too late. I dare you to organize a celebration for straight people and the traditional family. Watch the hate fly in. Last year a few people tried to organize a straight parade. They were called white supremacist, bigots, haters, homophobes, etc. You will be fired from your job for participating (or your husband will be), you will become a parahia if you are known in real life. You will be banned from facebook groups, called an evil, horrible person.

I really am glad to see people waking up to what has happened, I really am. I just wish you'd be apart of the hard-core fight 4-5 years ago. Instead, too many people were worrying about "equality" or some other dumb stuff.

At this point, I'm telling you the war is lost; 4-5 years ago maybe not. At this point, yeah the war is lost. I just hope God somehow preserves a remnant and I'm part of it.
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"I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition."
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You simply don't understand. The traditional folks no longer exists, they all believe in homosexuality now. They all become converted to homosexuality, the war was being fought 4-5 years ago.

Especially inside the Church! As soon as the Church stated open homosexuals could be fully participating members as long as they didn't "act on it"-that was the time to fight. That was the time to stand up and be counted. Instead everyone gave a bunch of excuses about how it was totally cool and fine. And THIS is the logical, spiritual result from it.

I disagree about it being too late. It takes our Living and Merciful Heavenly Father out of the equation. He even blesses those who wake up late.

Of course we should fight and stand for truth and righteousness. Some stalwart Catholics (whose plight is far worse than ours) are leading by example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaSpI4-g1Gg

You bring up a good point. We should fight for what is right no matter the consequences.

In the Church we should stand up and be counted regardless of it is too late or not.

When I say too late, I mean barring a major cataclysmic event or a split in the Church as a whole the church will accept homosexuality. It already has accepted homosexuality in most regards, just no sex or marriage at this point.

Unless you go to the root of the problem it will not stop. The root of the problem is that we do not believe that the homosexual can change or should change, we do not believe homosexuality if the mind is a sin.

Unless and until we change our view on that it will not stop.

Leaders just never want to offend anybody. They don’t even want to offend the super ultra Mormon priesthood holders by calling them out for unrighteous dominion, let alone the practicing homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators.

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:51 am I guess we will know more after General Conference.

I do know that my extremely musical but white son was turned down to even audition for the “Diversity Choir” that will be singing at General Conference. I have no idea if they asked his race, but I do know he was turned down from even auditioning. I should ask if he had to send a photo. He does shave his head.

Trucker wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:52 am

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:44 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:39 am

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:34 am

I disagree about it being too late. It takes our Living and Merciful Heavenly Father out of the equation. He even blesses those who wake up late.

Of course we should fight and stand for truth and righteousness. Some stalwart Catholics (whose plight is far worse than ours) are leading by example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaSpI4-g1Gg

You bring up a good point. We should fight for what is right no matter the consequences.

In the Church we should stand up and be counted regardless of it is too late or not.

When I say too late, I mean barring a major cataclysmic event or a split in the Church as a whole the church will accept homosexuality. It already has accepted homosexuality in most regards, just no sex or marriage at this point.

Unless you go to the root of the problem it will not stop. The root of the problem is that we do not believe that the homosexual can change or should change, we do not believe homosexuality if the mind is a sin.

Unless and until we change our view on that it will not stop.

Leaders just never want to offend anybody. They don’t even want to offend the super ultra Mormon priesthood holders by calling them out for unrighteous dominion, let alone the practicing homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators.

The church will have to make a stand at some point.

Trucker wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:52 am

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:44 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:39 am

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:34 am

I disagree about it being too late. It takes our Living and Merciful Heavenly Father out of the equation. He even blesses those who wake up late.

Of course we should fight and stand for truth and righteousness. Some stalwart Catholics (whose plight is far worse than ours) are leading by example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaSpI4-g1Gg

You bring up a good point. We should fight for what is right no matter the consequences.

In the Church we should stand up and be counted regardless of it is too late or not.

When I say too late, I mean barring a major cataclysmic event or a split in the Church as a whole the church will accept homosexuality. It already has accepted homosexuality in most regards, just no sex or marriage at this point.

Unless you go to the root of the problem it will not stop. The root of the problem is that we do not believe that the homosexual can change or should change, we do not believe homosexuality if the mind is a sin.

Unless and until we change our view on that it will not stop.

Leaders just never want to offend anybody. They don’t even want to offend the super ultra Mormon priesthood holders by calling them out for unrighteous dominion, let alone the practicing homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators.

This is how Marxism wins. It is why good people and good organizations lose to Marxists, and anyone else looking to radically change culture. Nice people won't cause contention, and they end up neutralized or acquiescing so much that they end up overcome. Feminists, social justice warriors, gay rights, socialists, they all are part of the Marxist ideology that there are oppressors and victims, and the way you gain power is by following a pattern of sympathy, agitation, legality, and enforcement. It's not difficult to see.

We as a church think we can be nice and the hostility will go away. We think we can compromise, talk it out, explain other differences, and work together. But Marxists don't work that way, and they are not sincere. They want their vices, they want power, and the only feign the victim until they get power and then they are ruthless enforcers.

The church will have to make a stand at some point.

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:01 am

Trucker wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:52 am

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:44 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:39 am
You bring up a good point. We should fight for what is right no matter the consequences.

In the Church we should stand up and be counted regardless of it is too late or not.

When I say too late, I mean barring a major cataclysmic event or a split in the Church as a whole the church will accept homosexuality. It already has accepted homosexuality in most regards, just no sex or marriage at this point.

Unless you go to the root of the problem it will not stop. The root of the problem is that we do not believe that the homosexual can change or should change, we do not believe homosexuality if the mind is a sin.

Unless and until we change our view on that it will not stop.

Leaders just never want to offend anybody. They don’t even want to offend the super ultra Mormon priesthood holders by calling them out for unrighteous dominion, let alone the practicing homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators.

This is how Marxism wins. It is why good people and good organizations lose to Marxists, and anyone else looking to radically change culture. Nice people won't cause contention, and they end up neutralized or acquiescing so much that they end up overcome. Feminists, social justice warriors, gay rights, socialists, they all are part of the Marxist ideology that there are oppressors and victims, and the way you gain power is by following a pattern of sympathy, agitation, legality, and enforcement. It's not difficult to see.

We as a church think we can be nice and the hostility will go away. We think we can compromise, talk it out, explain other differences, and work together. But Marxists don't work that way, and they are not sincere. They want their vices, they want power, and the only feign the victim until they get power and then they are ruthless enforcers.

The church will have to make a stand at some point.

That’s one of BYs attributes that I admired. He did eventually give in to the government because he had no choice, but he sure did put up a fight.

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:56 am

Trucker wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:52 am

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:44 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:39 am
You bring up a good point. We should fight for what is right no matter the consequences.

In the Church we should stand up and be counted regardless of it is too late or not.

When I say too late, I mean barring a major cataclysmic event or a split in the Church as a whole the church will accept homosexuality. It already has accepted homosexuality in most regards, just no sex or marriage at this point.

Unless you go to the root of the problem it will not stop. The root of the problem is that we do not believe that the homosexual can change or should change, we do not believe homosexuality if the mind is a sin.

Unless and until we change our view on that it will not stop.

Leaders just never want to offend anybody. They don’t even want to offend the super ultra Mormon priesthood holders by calling them out for unrighteous dominion, let alone the practicing homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators.

The church will have to make a stand at some point.

I'm sure they will, but it might just surprise a lot of people the stand they make.

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:03 am

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:01 am

Trucker wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:52 am

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:44 am
Leaders just never want to offend anybody. They don’t even want to offend the super ultra Mormon priesthood holders by calling them out for unrighteous dominion, let alone the practicing homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators.

This is how Marxism wins. It is why good people and good organizations lose to Marxists, and anyone else looking to radically change culture. Nice people won't cause contention, and they end up neutralized or acquiescing so much that they end up overcome. Feminists, social justice warriors, gay rights, socialists, they all are part of the Marxist ideology that there are oppressors and victims, and the way you gain power is by following a pattern of sympathy, agitation, legality, and enforcement. It's not difficult to see.

We as a church think we can be nice and the hostility will go away. We think we can compromise, talk it out, explain other differences, and work together. But Marxists don't work that way, and they are not sincere. They want their vices, they want power, and the only feign the victim until they get power and then they are ruthless enforcers.

The church will have to make a stand at some point.

That’s one of BYs attributes that I admired. He did eventually give in to the government because he had no choice, but he sure did put up a fight.

If ya gonna go down, go down swinging!

But none of our current leaders know how to even through a punch.

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:10 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:03 am

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:01 am

Trucker wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 10:52 am

This is how Marxism wins. It is why good people and good organizations lose to Marxists, and anyone else looking to radically change culture. Nice people won't cause contention, and they end up neutralized or acquiescing so much that they end up overcome. Feminists, social justice warriors, gay rights, socialists, they all are part of the Marxist ideology that there are oppressors and victims, and the way you gain power is by following a pattern of sympathy, agitation, legality, and enforcement. It's not difficult to see.

We as a church think we can be nice and the hostility will go away. We think we can compromise, talk it out, explain other differences, and work together. But Marxists don't work that way, and they are not sincere. They want their vices, they want power, and the only feign the victim until they get power and then they are ruthless enforcers.

The church will have to make a stand at some point.

That’s one of BYs attributes that I admired. He did eventually give in to the government because he had no choice, but he sure did put up a fight.

If ya gonna go down, go down swinging!

But none of our current leaders know how to even through a punch.

Another good thing that might come out of this is that a new line has been crossed with the faithful members. And I believe the Brethren may have underestimated how much support they would have had from us if they had stood their ground. I bet they are hearing now. I know at least one stalwart temple worker who has fired off an irate complaint, and there must be many more. This could be good, since so far it seems the squeaking wheel has been getting all of the grease.

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 7:30 am https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... s?lang=eng
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“It has been called to our attention that there are some among the various pro-white and white supremacy communities who assert that the Church is neutral toward or in support of their views. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the New Testament, Jesus said: ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself’ (Matthew 22:37–39). The Book of Mormon teaches ‘all are alike unto God’” (2 Nephi 26:33).

“White supremacist attitudes are morally wrong and sinful, and we condemn them. Church members who promote or pursue a ‘white culture’ or white supremacy agenda are not in harmony with the teachings of the Church.”
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Trucker wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 3:11 am "Rainbow Day at BYU draws hundreds of students

It was the third Rainbow Day celebration at Brigham Young University to support the LGBTQ...

They filled the campus quad with rainbow flags and signs. They shouted, “Love is love,” at anyone who walked up to their table. And they hugged and kissed and high-fived in excitement.



--- snip ---

But BYU responded to the incident in tweets:
"We are aware of reports that stickers and posters promoting a white supremacist group were recently found on campus...

University Police have been informed and are looking into the issue. These stickers and posters are not authorized, and in accordance with university policy, they will be removed if they are placed on campus.

"BYU stands firmly against racism in any form and is committed to promoting a culture of safety, kindness, respect and love. We stand with our sponsoring institution, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which has stated:"

“White supremacist attitudes are morally wrong and sinful, and we condemn them. Church members who promote or pursue a ‘white culture’ or white supremacy agenda are not in harmony with the teachings of the Church.”

If you witness or experience an incident on campus associated with white supremacy, reports can be made to the Dean of Students Office at (801) 422-2731. In situations where safety is at risk, please contact University Police immediately at (801) 422-2222."

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:19 am

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:10 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:03 am

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:01 am

That’s one of BYs attributes that I admired. He did eventually give in to the government because he had no choice, but he sure did put up a fight.

If ya gonna go down, go down swinging!

But none of our current leaders know how to even through a punch.

Another good thing that might come out of this is that a new line has been crossed with the faithful members. And I believe the Brethren may have underestimated how much support they would have had from us if they had stood their ground. I bet they are hearing now. I know at least one stalwart temple worker who has fired off an irate complaint, and there must be many more. This could be good, since so far it seems the squeaking wheel has been getting all of the grease.

I will probably be turning in my temple recommend. Even if I can somehow have the integrity to answer yes to the question #4, I can in no way answer with integrity yes to #7 "Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?"

Yes, I support and promote teachings and practices contrary to the Church, primarily that which is that homosexuals should not be allowed to participate in ANY way if they are promoting or acting on their ideology.

I cannot with integrity answer yes to that question. And unlike the LGBTQ+ crowd who will lie and say they sustain and support all the while not doing so by their actions and ideology-I cannot be double-tongued.

We shall see what happens. Having integrity of heart for me is more important than attending the Temple.

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:32 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:15 am Why doesn’t BYU celebrate traditional marriage and being straight then?

Part of why these things gain attraction is because there is no opposition.
Why have a celebration for straight people? Or traditional family? Because it’s been the norm for so long. Well, maybe it’s time to stand up?

If gays can have a celebration then straights can too. They should. It would be a much larger force.

I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition.

ROFLOL. A day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure you really understand where we are at in this culture. I'm not making fun of you, but you are about 4 years too late. I dare you to organize a celebration for straight people and the traditional family. Watch the hate fly in. Last year a few people tried to organize a straight parade. They were called white supremacist, bigots, haters, homophobes, etc. You will be fired from your job for participating (or your husband will be), you will become a parahia if you are known in real life. You will be banned from facebook groups, called an evil, horrible person.

I really am glad to see people waking up to what has happened, I really am. I just wish you'd be apart of the hard-core fight 4-5 years ago. Instead, too many people were worrying about "equality" or some other dumb stuff.

At this point, I'm telling you the war is lost; 4-5 years ago maybe not. At this point, yeah the war is lost. I just hope God somehow preserves a remnant and I'm part of it.
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"I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition."
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You simply don't understand. The traditional folks no longer exists, they all believe in homosexuality now. They all become converted to homosexuality, the war was being fought 4-5 years ago.

Especially inside the Church! As soon as the Church stated open homosexuals could be fully participating members as long as they didn't "act on it"-that was the time to fight. That was the time to stand up and be counted. Instead everyone gave a bunch of excuses about how it was totally cool and fine. And THIS is the logical, spiritual result from it.

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:20 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:19 am

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:10 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:03 am
If ya gonna go down, go down swinging!

But none of our current leaders know how to even through a punch.

Another good thing that might come out of this is that a new line has been crossed with the faithful members. And I believe the Brethren may have underestimated how much support they would have had from us if they had stood their ground. I bet they are hearing now. I know at least one stalwart temple worker who has fired off an irate complaint, and there must be many more. This could be good, since so far it seems the squeaking wheel has been getting all of the grease.

I will probably be turning in my temple recommend. Even if I can somehow have the integrity to answer yes to the question #4, I can in no way answer with integrity yes to #7 "Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?"

Yes, I support and promote teachings and practices contrary to the Church, primarily that which is that homosexuals should not be allowed to participate in ANY way if they are promoting or acting on their ideology.

I cannot with integrity answer yes to that question. And unlike the LGBTQ+ crowd who will lie and say they sustain and support all the while not doing so by their actions and ideology-I cannot be double-tongued.

We shall see what happens. Having integrity of heart for me is more important than attending the Temple.

I totally thought you were someone else. You’re definitely not that individual

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:37 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:15 am Why doesn’t BYU celebrate traditional marriage and being straight then?

Part of why these things gain attraction is because there is no opposition.
Why have a celebration for straight people? Or traditional family? Because it’s been the norm for so long. Well, maybe it’s time to stand up?

If gays can have a celebration then straights can too. They should. It would be a much larger force.

I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition.

Some BYU students posted copies of the Proclamation on the Family in public areas all over campus, and the janitorial crews were told to take them all down. Similar rainbow-themed signs are left alone unless a student removes them. Janitorial service has not been told to remove rainbow stuff.

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:24 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:32 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:15 am Why doesn’t BYU celebrate traditional marriage and being straight then?

Part of why these things gain attraction is because there is no opposition.
Why have a celebration for straight people? Or traditional family? Because it’s been the norm for so long. Well, maybe it’s time to stand up?

If gays can have a celebration then straights can too. They should. It would be a much larger force.

I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition.

ROFLOL. A day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure you really understand where we are at in this culture. I'm not making fun of you, but you are about 4 years too late. I dare you to organize a celebration for straight people and the traditional family. Watch the hate fly in. Last year a few people tried to organize a straight parade. They were called white supremacist, bigots, haters, homophobes, etc. You will be fired from your job for participating (or your husband will be), you will become a parahia if you are known in real life. You will be banned from facebook groups, called an evil, horrible person.

I really am glad to see people waking up to what has happened, I really am. I just wish you'd be apart of the hard-core fight 4-5 years ago. Instead, too many people were worrying about "equality" or some other dumb stuff.

At this point, I'm telling you the war is lost; 4-5 years ago maybe not. At this point, yeah the war is lost. I just hope God somehow preserves a remnant and I'm part of it.
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"I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition."
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You simply don't understand. The traditional folks no longer exists, they all believe in homosexuality now. They all become converted to homosexuality, the war was being fought 4-5 years ago.

Especially inside the Church! As soon as the Church stated open homosexuals could be fully participating members as long as they didn't "act on it"-that was the time to fight. That was the time to stand up and be counted. Instead everyone gave a bunch of excuses about how it was totally cool and fine. And THIS is the logical, spiritual result from it.

It is true, I do not interact with this stuff nor am I in the college scene.

I’m just pointing out logic and it sounds from what your saying, there wasn’t a chance anyways.

To continue with my intent here, if the straight people were called all those names and hated and whatever else then so what...do it anyways. Standing up in righteousness (for something good, done respectfully) the why back down? Maybe it’s the weakness within more than the opposition without that is the problem.

Why not start now? Claim equal treatment. Eventually someone’s got to stop being bullied and be willing to stand up for what is right even if they are hated, right?

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:31 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:37 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:15 am Why doesn’t BYU celebrate traditional marriage and being straight then?

Part of why these things gain attraction is because there is no opposition.
Why have a celebration for straight people? Or traditional family? Because it’s been the norm for so long. Well, maybe it’s time to stand up?

If gays can have a celebration then straights can too. They should. It would be a much larger force.

I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition.

Some BYU students posted copies of the Proclamation on the Family in public areas all over campus, and the janitorial crews were told to take them all down. Similar rainbow-themed signs are left alone unless a student removes them. Janitorial service has not been told to remove rainbow stuff.

Then something should be said. I get the atmosphere around this and how it’s so un-equal basically but why not demand all signs be removed?

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:36 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:24 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:32 am

MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 9:15 am Why doesn’t BYU celebrate traditional marriage and being straight then?

Part of why these things gain attraction is because there is no opposition.
Why have a celebration for straight people? Or traditional family? Because it’s been the norm for so long. Well, maybe it’s time to stand up?

If gays can have a celebration then straights can too. They should. It would be a much larger force.

I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition.

ROFLOL. A day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure you really understand where we are at in this culture. I'm not making fun of you, but you are about 4 years too late. I dare you to organize a celebration for straight people and the traditional family. Watch the hate fly in. Last year a few people tried to organize a straight parade. They were called white supremacist, bigots, haters, homophobes, etc. You will be fired from your job for participating (or your husband will be), you will become a parahia if you are known in real life. You will be banned from facebook groups, called an evil, horrible person.

I really am glad to see people waking up to what has happened, I really am. I just wish you'd be apart of the hard-core fight 4-5 years ago. Instead, too many people were worrying about "equality" or some other dumb stuff.

At this point, I'm telling you the war is lost; 4-5 years ago maybe not. At this point, yeah the war is lost. I just hope God somehow preserves a remnant and I'm part of it.
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"I think traditional folks need to get more creative and stop sitting back watching unable to get over the fact that they have opposition."
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You simply don't understand. The traditional folks no longer exists, they all believe in homosexuality now. They all become converted to homosexuality, the war was being fought 4-5 years ago.

Especially inside the Church! As soon as the Church stated open homosexuals could be fully participating members as long as they didn't "act on it"-that was the time to fight. That was the time to stand up and be counted. Instead everyone gave a bunch of excuses about how it was totally cool and fine. And THIS is the logical, spiritual result from it.

It is true, I do not interact with this stuff nor am I in the college scene.

I’m just pointing out logic and it sounds from what your saying, there wasn’t a chance anyways.

To continue with my intent here, if the straight people were called all those names and hated and whatever else then so what...do it anyways. Standing up in righteousness (for something good, done respectfully) the why back down? Maybe it’s the weakness within more than the opposition without that is the problem.

Why not start now? Claim equal treatment. Eventually someone’s got to stop being bullied and be willing to stand up for what is right even if they are hated, right?

You are correct. There is always a chance. Even as slim as a chance as it is now-there is still a chance.

But your last 2 paragraphs hit the core of it. Unless people do as you say then there is absolutely no chance. There has been for waaaaaay too long a complacency inside the Church. "Follow the prophets", thy won't led you astray, just stay in the boat, don't agitate, just sit down, be obedient and all will be well.

What happened is that everyone neglected their own personal duty and responsibility. It wasn't their job to fight wickedness, it was someone else's job, they didn't need to stand up and combat evil ideologies in their own wards and stakes, that was the Bishop's job or the Stake Pres. job. It is too hard to stand up, I'd rather just be quite and not take any flak b/c it's nice being comfortable. It is the actual fulfillment of the wheat and the tares. The men (i.e. the Priesthood, who's duty it is to do this stuff) slept while the enemy sowed tares.

I just hope people realize that the stakes for taking a stand today are MUCH, MUCH higher than they were 4-5 years ago. If you decide to take a stand, you will potentially risk much, your livelihood is almost certainly going to be on the line. And if it gets bad enough (and it just might) even your own life and the life of your family. People need to understand that.

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:25 am

Zathura wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:20 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:19 am

Allison wrote: ↑February 27th, 2020, 11:10 am

Another good thing that might come out of this is that a new line has been crossed with the faithful members. And I believe the Brethren may have underestimated how much support they would have had from us if they had stood their ground. I bet they are hearing now. I know at least one stalwart temple worker who has fired off an irate complaint, and there must be many more. This could be good, since so far it seems the squeaking wheel has been getting all of the grease.

I will probably be turning in my temple recommend. Even if I can somehow have the integrity to answer yes to the question #4, I can in no way answer with integrity yes to #7 "Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?"

Yes, I support and promote teachings and practices contrary to the Church, primarily that which is that homosexuals should not be allowed to participate in ANY way if they are promoting or acting on their ideology.

I cannot with integrity answer yes to that question. And unlike the LGBTQ+ crowd who will lie and say they sustain and support all the while not doing so by their actions and ideology-I cannot be double-tongued.

We shall see what happens. Having integrity of heart for me is more important than attending the Temple.

I totally thought you were someone else. You’re definitely not that individual

Or maybe I am, but I've changed .
Or maybe I am, but you didn't know that I was that person .
Or maybe you are correct but snarky?

Who knows . . .it's anonymous!