LDS Freedom Forum

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 5:37 am I decided a long time ago that I would sustain the Prophet and the Apostles and accept any new changes (inspiration or revelation) in Church policy that were instituted during the current Prophet's time as President of the Church. I'm not saying it has always been easy for me, but it has been simpler. I have a testimony that the Lord knows what is going on and is in charge of His Church, and I will follow him and accept these new changes as inspiration and revelation.

Matthias wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 9:35 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 9:27 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 8:56 am If BYU allows this then we, as a Church, are no longer teaching correct principles. Are we supposed to embrace every perversion that our children are exposed to? And homosexuality is one of the greatest perversions!!

No coffee, no beards, but make out with your gay love interest.
We are looking stupid to the world. You should hear what they are saying.

That's the most insane thing that members inside the Church can't see. In today's modern world, nobody is going to believe that the Church just happened to now have a revelation that homosexuals can date, etc.

Prophets should lead not follow the world. At least with blood atonement and polygamy they were going vastly against the grain of the world at that time. Today, we just follow the world and then get to claim following the world is really following the prophet and thereby following God. It's completely stupid.

I thought we would see women get the Priesthood first then homosexuality, but maybe it will be the opposite . . .just to prove to us how egotistical we really are.

Yes God who for thousands of years condemned homosexuality and there has never been a recorded scripture where anything like unto it has been approved, now suddenly through modern prophets has now approved homosexual behavior . . . give me a break.

Amen.

Furthermore, the fact that plural marriage, Adam-God, blood atonement, the united order, blacks and the curse of Cain, etc were/are hated and mocked so much by the world is very strong evidence that they are true principles from God.

nightlight wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 10:10 am The blood Atonment is worse then homosexuality....... change my mind.......

Lol you guys are always talking about how it's "true", but can't use your own words to shed its light.... if something is true...expound.

More likely than not you'll just say in your own head... "it's just something only the advanced Christian can comprehend" lol.
I promise....it's not.

I would stake my life on this...would you?

" Behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will declare unto you my doctrine.

32 And this is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear brecord of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.

33 And whoso believeth in me, and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the kingdom of God.

34 And whoso believeth not in me, and is not baptized, shall be damned.

35 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and I bear record of it from the Father; and whoso abelieveth in me believeth in the Father also; and unto him will the Father bear record of me, for he will visit him with fire and with the Holy Ghost.

36 And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are bone.

37 And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and abecome as a blittle child, and be baptized in my name, or ye can in nowise receive these things.

38 And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and be baptized in my name, and become as a little achild, or ye can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God.

39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and whoso buildeth upon this buildeth upon my rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them.

40 And whoso shall declare more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine, the same cometh of evil, and is not built upon my rock; but he buildeth upon a bsandy foundation, and the gates of hell stand open to receive such when the floods come and the winds beat upon them.
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"Will you love your brothers and sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of their blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ meant.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Deseret News, April 16, 1856

The time has been in Israel under the law of God, the celestial law, or that which pertains to the celestial law, for it is one of the laws of that kingdom where our Father dwells, that if a man was found guilty of adultery, he must have his blood shed, and that is near at hand.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 4, p. 219


"Any of you who understand the principles of eternity – if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death – would not be satisfied or rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain the salvation you desire. This is the way to love mankind.”



It shocks me you people believe this.....it literally makes me lose hope in us.

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 9:39 am

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 5:37 am I decided a long time ago that I would sustain the Prophet and the Apostles and accept any new changes (inspiration or revelation) in Church policy that were instituted during the current Prophet's time as President of the Church. I'm not saying it has always been easy for me, but it has been simpler. I have a testimony that the Lord knows what is going on and is in charge of His Church, and I will follow him and accept these new changes as inspiration and revelation.

Blind sheep^ just how leadership likes them.

I imagine that was the attitude of the Nephites living under King Noah and their corrupt priests. They thought they were ok too, and shunned Abinadi when he came telling them they were wrong. We are wrong in this. There is no doctrine of infallibility and leadership is wrong in caving into the pressures of the world on this.

jmack wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 9:01 am My trust in our prophets...

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 10:42 am

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 9:39 am

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 5:37 am I decided a long time ago that I would sustain the Prophet and the Apostles and accept any new changes (inspiration or revelation) in Church policy that were instituted during the current Prophet's time as President of the Church. I'm not saying it has always been easy for me, but it has been simpler. I have a testimony that the Lord knows what is going on and is in charge of His Church, and I will follow him and accept these new changes as inspiration and revelation.

Blind sheep^ just how leadership likes them.

I imagine that was the attitude of the Nephites living under King Noah and their corrupt priests. They thought they were ok too, and shunned Abinadi when he came telling them they were wrong. We are wrong in this. There is no doctrine of infallibility and leadership is wrong in caving into the pressures of the world on this.

I hope you are not calling me a "blind sheep" in this case. As I mentioned to Sirius, I have received my own personal testimony that President Nelson is a true Prophet, and I have chosen to follow his counsel on this subject. I never told you I personally liked everything he has chosen to do. I said I will support and sustain his authority to do it.

mike_rumble wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 11:47 am "If the Q15 ever came out and "revealed" that we will be performing gay sealings, women would be ordained to the preisthood,
beastiality is now acceptable, pedophilia is now an acceptable choice..."

"It would take me recieving a vision from a true messenger of God to confirm these teachings are from God before I would accept
them."

I'm pretty sure you didn't mean it, but it sounds like if a 'true messenger of God' confirmed it, you would accept such things
as beastiality and pedophilia. Did I misunderstand what you said?

Sorry to bring it up, but it just sounded weird to me.

Zathura wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 9:10 am Should the church accept homosexuality, it’ll be added to the same long list as Adam god theory and blood atonement:

Doctrines unsupported or even contradicted by scripture that the church has embraced.

This stuff has been happening since the very beginning.

mike_rumble wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 11:47 am "If the Q15 ever came out and "revealed" that we will be performing gay sealings, women would be ordained to the preisthood,
beastiality is now acceptable, pedophilia is now an acceptable choice..."

"It would take me recieving a vision from a true messenger of God to confirm these teachings are from God before I would accept
them."

I'm pretty sure you didn't mean it, but it sounds like if a 'true messenger of God' confirmed it, you would accept such things
as beastiality and pedophilia. Did I misunderstand what you said?

Sorry to bring it up, but it just sounded weird to me.

nightlight wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 10:10 am The blood Atonment is worse then homosexuality....... change my mind.......

Lol you guys are always talking about how it's "true", but can't use your own words to shed its light.... if something is true...expound.

More likely than not you'll just say in your own head... "it's just something only the advanced Christian can comprehend" lol.
I promise....it's not.

I would stake my life on this...would you?

" Behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will declare unto you my doctrine.

32 And this is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear brecord of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.

33 And whoso believeth in me, and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the kingdom of God.

34 And whoso believeth not in me, and is not baptized, shall be damned.

35 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and I bear record of it from the Father; and whoso abelieveth in me believeth in the Father also; and unto him will the Father bear record of me, for he will visit him with fire and with the Holy Ghost.

36 And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are bone.

37 And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and abecome as a blittle child, and be baptized in my name, or ye can in nowise receive these things.

38 And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and be baptized in my name, and become as a little achild, or ye can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God.

39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and whoso buildeth upon this buildeth upon my rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them.

40 And whoso shall declare more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine, the same cometh of evil, and is not built upon my rock; but he buildeth upon a bsandy foundation, and the gates of hell stand open to receive such when the floods come and the winds beat upon them.
------------------------------------

"Will you love your brothers and sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of their blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ meant.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Deseret News, April 16, 1856

The time has been in Israel under the law of God, the celestial law, or that which pertains to the celestial law, for it is one of the laws of that kingdom where our Father dwells, that if a man was found guilty of adultery, he must have his blood shed, and that is near at hand.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 4, p. 219


"Any of you who understand the principles of eternity – if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death – would not be satisfied or rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain the salvation you desire. This is the way to love mankind.”



It shocks me you people believe this.....it literally makes me lose hope in us.

Thinker wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2020, 11:44 am The most harmful sin BYU/church leaders are committing is deception: FALSE ADVERTISING. They have no right to advertise as an LDS university when they go against what the church stands for.

I will never support my children going to BYU.