Page 2 of 2

Re: The Church needs to Divorce

Posted: February 21st, 2020, 10:18 pm
by ori
Aprhys wrote: February 21st, 2020, 9:48 pm
ori wrote: February 21st, 2020, 7:56 pm
Aprhys wrote: February 21st, 2020, 4:47 pm My prediction that the church will perform sealings of gay couples before 2030 WILL come true. Anyone still doubting this?
I doubt it 100%. Perhaps a sealing will happen by a rogue sealer. Or a rogue temple president will allow it.

But there is no way under the sun that the Q15 will officially allow it.
Ok Ori, how much would you like to wager on this?
I’m not a betting man. I learned my lesson about that.

Re: The Church needs to Divorce

Posted: February 21st, 2020, 11:36 pm
by Art Vandelay
Aprhys wrote: February 21st, 2020, 4:47 pm My prediction that the church will perform sealings of gay couples before 2030 WILL come true. Anyone still doubting this?
I don't see it. There's too many references to the different sexes in the ordinance such as brother, sister, her, husband, wife and multiply etc. Same sex marriages are contrary to natural law. That cannot be changed nor can the natural law be obeyed. Two men cannot ever be placed on an Earth and multiply. God's plan is frustrated from the get go. I'm pretty sure the brethren are aware of this, as are gay couples. Nope, gay sealings won't happen.

Re: The Church needs to Divorce

Posted: February 21st, 2020, 11:53 pm
by Hosh
ori wrote: February 21st, 2020, 4:34 pm
PickleRick wrote: February 21st, 2020, 4:30 pm
Matchmaker wrote: February 21st, 2020, 3:56 pm Stay with the Prophet and the majority of the Apostles, and you will have chosen wisely!
Wow, so simple. I'm sure those raised Catholic are told to "stick with the Pope" etc.

Maybe there is a more universally applicable and fool proof solution.
As simple as looking at the brazen serpent. But many won't do it.
Yeah because the brazen serpent represented..... What again? The church leadership?

Re: The Church needs to Divorce

Posted: February 22nd, 2020, 12:48 am
by Serragon
Art Vandelay wrote: February 21st, 2020, 11:36 pm
Aprhys wrote: February 21st, 2020, 4:47 pm My prediction that the church will perform sealings of gay couples before 2030 WILL come true. Anyone still doubting this?
I don't see it. There's too many references to the different sexes in the ordinance such as brother, sister, her, husband, wife and multiply etc. Same sex marriages are contrary to natural law. That cannot be changed nor can the natural law be obeyed. Two men cannot ever be placed on an Earth and multiply. God's plan is frustrated from the get go. I'm pretty sure the brethren are aware of this, as are gay couples. Nope, gay sealings won't happen.
What you say is reasoned and logical. But I think all of the changes we have seen have been based on emotion and not reason. When applying emotional thinking to this issue, there is nothing that can't be justified.

I agree that most of the current 15 agree with your reasoning about sealings. They have been raised with that belief and truly believe it in their hearts. It is the next generation I worry about. They will be raised in a church where homosexuality is the equivalent for heterosexuality and where open homosexual relationships will be occurring within the church. That group will have no interest in keeping hold of a doctrine that in their opinion is oppressive and unjust. Not only will they allow homosexual sealings, they will celebrate it.

Re: The Church needs to Divorce

Posted: February 22nd, 2020, 7:21 am
by Rick Grimes
Benaishtart wrote: February 21st, 2020, 11:09 am The church needs to split up.

The church currently has a fast moving cancer among its ranks. To prevent the cancer from killing the body the tumors have to be removed

A conservative true believing church and a liberal snowflake church.

The conservative church would get most of the land, temples, and majority of non-US members. We’d actively maintain missionary and temple work. We would actively focus on building Zion and wouldn’t care one bit what the world cared about. It’d be like 1980’s Mormonism. A lot of service would be done in local communities.

The Liberal church would be free to have female ordination and gay sealings. They'd have BYU. They’d have most of the church’s liquid assets and all the worldly and feminist and liberal members. Most members would be in developed countries. Pretty quickly they’d be very similar to the Community of Christ. They’d do whatever they want with all their telestial power.

The hard part would be the divorce. It’s divide families, communities, and wards. But after a few years it’d be better for all of us if we want to truly be one and build Zion.

Now do you believe that this could or would ever happen? I didn’t think so until a few months ago but now many others are having the same thoughts.
I would call this the beginning of the millennium.😍😍

Re: The Church needs to Divorce

Posted: February 22nd, 2020, 8:09 am
by jmack
Benaishtart wrote: February 21st, 2020, 11:09 am The church needs to split up.

The church currently has a fast moving cancer among its ranks. To prevent the cancer from killing the body the tumors have to be removed

A conservative true believing church and a liberal snowflake church.

The conservative church would get most of the land, temples, and majority of non-US members. We’d actively maintain missionary and temple work. We would actively focus on building Zion and wouldn’t care one bit what the world cared about. It’d be like 1980’s Mormonism. A lot of service would be done in local communities.

The Liberal church would be free to have female ordination and gay sealings. They'd have BYU. They’d have most of the church’s liquid assets and all the worldly and feminist and liberal members. Most members would be in developed countries. Pretty quickly they’d be very similar to the Community of Christ. They’d do whatever they want with all their telestial power.

The hard part would be the divorce. It’s divide families, communities, and wards. But after a few years it’d be better for all of us if we want to truly be one and build Zion.

Now do you believe that this could or would ever happen? I didn’t think so until a few months ago but now many others are having the same thoughts.
The church needs for people who no longer believe it is led by a living prophet, who think it's corrupt, who think it is no longer guided by the Lord, to go inactive or find a church that better suits them, and leave this one alone. Continuing revelation, priesthood authority, living prophets are what this Church was established on, if a member rejects that, they reject the church. They shouldn't be foolish in thinking the church is going to be split and they can join and use temples etc of the half they like. That's not going to happen, it doesn't work that way.

Re: The Church needs to Divorce

Posted: February 22nd, 2020, 8:17 am
by jmack
Aprhys wrote: February 21st, 2020, 4:47 pm My prediction that the church will perform sealings of gay couples before 2030 WILL come true. Anyone still doubting this?
Yea, no. But. I don’t doubt you're alone in saying this. We see plenty of people who want to destroy and undermine members testimonies that this is God's true church, by asserting the our prophet and apostles are corrupt and in apostasy.

Re: The Church needs to Divorce

Posted: February 22nd, 2020, 9:17 am
by ori
Hosh4710 wrote: February 21st, 2020, 11:53 pm
ori wrote: February 21st, 2020, 4:34 pm
PickleRick wrote: February 21st, 2020, 4:30 pm
Matchmaker wrote: February 21st, 2020, 3:56 pm Stay with the Prophet and the majority of the Apostles, and you will have chosen wisely!
Wow, so simple. I'm sure those raised Catholic are told to "stick with the Pope" etc.

Maybe there is a more universally applicable and fool proof solution.
As simple as looking at the brazen serpent. But many won't do it.
Yeah because the brazen serpent represented..... What again? The church leadership?
They didn’t look because Moses, who held the brazen serpent, was “just the church leadership”.

Re: The Church needs to Divorce

Posted: February 22nd, 2020, 10:18 am
by Rick Grimes
jmack wrote: February 22nd, 2020, 8:17 am
Aprhys wrote: February 21st, 2020, 4:47 pm My prediction that the church will perform sealings of gay couples before 2030 WILL come true. Anyone still doubting this?
Yea, no. But. I don’t doubt you're alone in saying this. We see plenty of people who want to destroy and undermine members testimonies that this is God's true church, by asserting the our prophet and apostles are corrupt and in apostasy.
Will you still support the brethren if they reinstitute plural marriage?