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True, but we must be civil in our treatment of others less we become as “afflicted”.mahalanobis wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:14 pm Reproduction and agency are such fundamental parts of God's plan and the purpose of life that Satan is doing everything he can to corrupt both. It's all under the guise of identity.
One of the reasons we're losing the culture war is because the other side has developed a new mode of warfare rooted in identity. If you speak up against their agenda, you are framed as attacking other people's identities and thus you'll lose in the court of public opinion... because suicides.
Until we figure out a way to neutralize it, we'll remain on the retreat. The best idea I can come up with is: to ask for the gift of exposing evil spirits (effectively helping other people to have discernment). Because when people see the evil spirits manipulating and afflicting the LGBT, they'll realize that identities are indeed under attack - by Satan not by us.
That's fair. I'm a big believer in the words of Christ which command us to not cast anyone out. But he also says some offensive things that are hard to hear.MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:26 pmTrue, but we must be civil in our treatment of others less we become as “afflicted”.mahalanobis wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:14 pm Reproduction and agency are such fundamental parts of God's plan and the purpose of life that Satan is doing everything he can to corrupt both. It's all under the guise of identity.
One of the reasons we're losing the culture war is because the other side has developed a new mode of warfare rooted in identity. If you speak up against their agenda, you are framed as attacking other people's identities and thus you'll lose in the court of public opinion... because suicides.
Until we figure out a way to neutralize it, we'll remain on the retreat. The best idea I can come up with is: to ask for the gift of exposing evil spirits (effectively helping other people to have discernment). Because when people see the evil spirits manipulating and afflicting the LGBT, they'll realize that identities are indeed under attack - by Satan not by us.
It’s not just a test for those with same sex attraction, it’s a test for those who are pro-traditional marriage.
It’s true that at some point, even recognizing you yourself (generally speaking) are being too cozy with Satans group and being as they want you to be doesn’t matter. Some people when they see, they embrace and get worse.
I think the best thing to do is not be the moral police but to be examples and endure so we don’t fall off the cliff with everyone else. To actually live our religion and stand for something good without hatred or attacks. If someone is genuine then help them otherwise it’s a waste of your own time. My opinion of course.
Well, he’s our advocate to the father while also being subject to the fathers demand of justice.mahalanobis wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:33 pmThat's fair. I'm a big believer in the words of Christ which command us to not cast anyone out. But he also says some offensive things that are hard to hear.MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:26 pmTrue, but we must be civil in our treatment of others less we become as “afflicted”.mahalanobis wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:14 pm Reproduction and agency are such fundamental parts of God's plan and the purpose of life that Satan is doing everything he can to corrupt both. It's all under the guise of identity.
One of the reasons we're losing the culture war is because the other side has developed a new mode of warfare rooted in identity. If you speak up against their agenda, you are framed as attacking other people's identities and thus you'll lose in the court of public opinion... because suicides.
Until we figure out a way to neutralize it, we'll remain on the retreat. The best idea I can come up with is: to ask for the gift of exposing evil spirits (effectively helping other people to have discernment). Because when people see the evil spirits manipulating and afflicting the LGBT, they'll realize that identities are indeed under attack - by Satan not by us.
It’s not just a test for those with same sex attraction, it’s a test for those who are pro-traditional marriage.
It’s true that at some point, even recognizing you yourself (generally speaking) are being too cozy with Satans group and being as they want you to be doesn’t matter. Some people when they see, they embrace and get worse.
I think the best thing to do is not be the moral police but to be examples and endure so we don’t fall off the cliff with everyone else. To actually live our religion and stand for something good without hatred or attacks. If someone is genuine then help them otherwise it’s a waste of your own time. My opinion of course.
Yeah, that’s why I don’t think it’s wrong to say offensive things that are true while standing up for righteousness. However, it seems many in the church (examples being rocknroll and thestock) consider it a sin to offend.mahalanobis wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:33 pmThat's fair. I'm a big believer in the words of Christ which command us to not cast anyone out. But he also says some offensive things that are hard to hear.MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:26 pmTrue, but we must be civil in our treatment of others less we become as “afflicted”.mahalanobis wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:14 pm Reproduction and agency are such fundamental parts of God's plan and the purpose of life that Satan is doing everything he can to corrupt both. It's all under the guise of identity.
One of the reasons we're losing the culture war is because the other side has developed a new mode of warfare rooted in identity. If you speak up against their agenda, you are framed as attacking other people's identities and thus you'll lose in the court of public opinion... because suicides.
Until we figure out a way to neutralize it, we'll remain on the retreat. The best idea I can come up with is: to ask for the gift of exposing evil spirits (effectively helping other people to have discernment). Because when people see the evil spirits manipulating and afflicting the LGBT, they'll realize that identities are indeed under attack - by Satan not by us.
It’s not just a test for those with same sex attraction, it’s a test for those who are pro-traditional marriage.
It’s true that at some point, even recognizing you yourself (generally speaking) are being too cozy with Satans group and being as they want you to be doesn’t matter. Some people when they see, they embrace and get worse.
I think the best thing to do is not be the moral police but to be examples and endure so we don’t fall off the cliff with everyone else. To actually live our religion and stand for something good without hatred or attacks. If someone is genuine then help them otherwise it’s a waste of your own time. My opinion of course.
Well it is our job to always stand for truth. Being silent doesn’t really fit that description. The rainbow mafia want us to be silent about it. Should we stay silent ?MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:09 pm
Well, he’s our advocate to the father while also being subject to the fathers demand of justice.
Unless a person is called upon to preach damnation to a people like Lehi for example, then I think it’s best we not get hot headed.
There will be plenty of judgements being given soon enough. It’s not really our job...unless called to speak with such words.
The "Fairness For All" act is a trojan horse a poison pill.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 4:29 pm No, the Church opposes the Equality Act. They endorse something called the Federal Fairness For All Act, which tries to guarantee religious freedom for all as well as equal rights for LGBTQ and others.
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... ember-2019
No where did I suggest being silent pushovers.ori wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:18 amWell it is our job to always stand for truth. Being silent doesn’t really fit that description. The rainbow mafia want us to be silent about it. Should we stay silent ?MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:09 pm
Well, he’s our advocate to the father while also being subject to the fathers demand of justice.
Unless a person is called upon to preach damnation to a people like Lehi for example, then I think it’s best we not get hot headed.
There will be plenty of judgements being given soon enough. It’s not really our job...unless called to speak with such words.
Okay good so you agree that the men, the Elders of the Church should do so.MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 9:03 amUnless your called to attack and judge then don’t.ori wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:18 amWell it is our job to always stand for truth. Being silent doesn’t really fit that description. The rainbow mafia want us to be silent about it. Should we stay silent ?MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:09 pm
Well, he’s our advocate to the father while also being subject to the fathers demand of justice.
Unless a person is called upon to preach damnation to a people like Lehi for example, then I think it’s best we not get hot headed.
There will be plenty of judgements being given soon enough. It’s not really our job...unless called to speak with such words.
“Preach”, “warn”... these don’t sound like very passive actions.johnBob wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 10:00 amOkay good so you agree that the men, the Elders of the Church should do so.MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 9:03 amUnless your called to attack and judge then don’t.ori wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:18 amWell it is our job to always stand for truth. Being silent doesn’t really fit that description. The rainbow mafia want us to be silent about it. Should we stay silent ?MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:09 pm
Well, he’s our advocate to the father while also being subject to the fathers demand of justice.
Unless a person is called upon to preach damnation to a people like Lehi for example, then I think it’s best we not get hot headed.
There will be plenty of judgements being given soon enough. It’s not really our job...unless called to speak with such words.
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"They are, however, to warn, expound, exhort, and teach, and invite all to come unto Christ."
"preach, teach, expound, exhort"
"teach, expound, exhort, baptize, and watch over the church;"
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I'm glad that we are in agreement unless you've been called to do so you should not. Since those who are Ordained to the Priesthood are called to do so, then those who do are fulfilling their Priesthood obligations and duties.
Quite different from “attack”. Unless a man is commanded to actually be forceful by attacking then he shouldn’t do so. Think of Joshua, King Saul etc. They used swords, today we use anger and hatred and shame on a regular basis.ori wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 10:48 am“Preach”, “warn”... these don’t sound like very passive actions.johnBob wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 10:00 amOkay good so you agree that the men, the Elders of the Church should do so.
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https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 0?lang=eng
"They are, however, to warn, expound, exhort, and teach, and invite all to come unto Christ."
"preach, teach, expound, exhort"
"teach, expound, exhort, baptize, and watch over the church;"
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I'm glad that we are in agreement unless you've been called to do so you should not. Since those who are Ordained to the Priesthood are called to do so, then those who do are fulfilling their Priesthood obligations and duties.
No where does that passage indicate what I was trying to say.johnBob wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 10:00 amOkay good so you agree that the men, the Elders of the Church should do so.MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 9:03 amUnless your called to attack and judge then don’t.ori wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:18 amWell it is our job to always stand for truth. Being silent doesn’t really fit that description. The rainbow mafia want us to be silent about it. Should we stay silent ?MMbelieve wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:09 pm
Well, he’s our advocate to the father while also being subject to the fathers demand of justice.
Unless a person is called upon to preach damnation to a people like Lehi for example, then I think it’s best we not get hot headed.
There will be plenty of judgements being given soon enough. It’s not really our job...unless called to speak with such words.
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https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 0?lang=eng
"They are, however, to warn, expound, exhort, and teach, and invite all to come unto Christ."
"preach, teach, expound, exhort"
"teach, expound, exhort, baptize, and watch over the church;"
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I'm glad that we are in agreement unless you've been called to do so you should not. Since those who are Ordained to the Priesthood are called to do so, then those who do are fulfilling their Priesthood obligations and duties.
DisagreeMMbelieve wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2020, 12:10 amQuite different from “attack”. Unless a man is commanded to actually be forceful by attacking then he shouldn’t do so. Think of Joshua, King Saul etc. They used swords, today we use anger and hatred and shame on a regular basis.ori wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 10:48 am“Preach”, “warn”... these don’t sound like very passive actions.johnBob wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 10:00 amOkay good so you agree that the men, the Elders of the Church should do so.
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https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 0?lang=eng
"They are, however, to warn, expound, exhort, and teach, and invite all to come unto Christ."
"preach, teach, expound, exhort"
"teach, expound, exhort, baptize, and watch over the church;"
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I'm glad that we are in agreement unless you've been called to do so you should not. Since those who are Ordained to the Priesthood are called to do so, then those who do are fulfilling their Priesthood obligations and duties.