LDS Freedom Forum

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 6:01 pm It is now 7:00 pm CST, Wednesday Feb 20. An adult who works at BYU just posted on Mormons Building Bridges that he personally talked with one of the Honor Code Office directors late this afternoon, and was told that no student will be disciplined for homosexual public displays of affection or gay dating. They are allowed to do whatever straight dating couples may do. He was told it won't be prohibited, but they won't be encouraging it either.

Yeah, that's so dumb.....it's not prohibited, but we don't encourage two gay men to kiss each other on campus......seriously?!?!?!?!

BYU, you all just look stupid now.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 1:07 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 1:02 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:53 am ... Discriminating against people who are different from you is also pretty terrible.

You’ve been repeatedly asked to give specific examples of this “discriminating against people” you accuse others of, yet you have not given one. Why? Because nobody’s discriminating against anyone personally. It’s behavior that statistically proves to be HARMFUL which NEEDS to be pointed out.

It’s like the Surgeon General was morally obligated to put warnings on all cigarette packages. Applying your reasoning, you would accuse anyone speaking bad about smoking as discriminating against people. Either you are BS-ing, or you really don’t realize the mind control you’ve fallen for. You’d think you’d have learned by now, but if you don’t realize the workings of mind control especially in the form of herd mentality, then you keep falling for it - just different brands.

This 10-min video explains homosexual activists goals in “psychological attacks” (mind control) to cause the masses to change from disgust of homosexuality to supporting it. “After the Ball” is a 1989 “how-to” book on manipulating minds to support homosexuality, despite facts proving homosexuality to be illogical and statistically harmful to those engaged in it and to children. These goals are explained:
1) Desensitizing
2) Jamming
3) Conversion

The following are some admissions of mind control from homosexual activist authors of "After the Ball..."

*"The homosexual agenda can succeed by conversion of the average Americans emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda to the nation via media (page 153)

*“Propaganda relies more upon emotional manipulation than upon logic, since its goal is to bring about public change” (page 162)

*Propaganda can be unabashedly subjective and one-sided, there is nothing wrong with this (page 163);

*"The Homosexual agenda can succeed by “desensitization” achieved by lowering the intensity of antigay emotional reactions to a level of sheer indifference" (page 153)

*”The Homosexual agenda can succeed by “jamming” and “confusing” adversaries, so as to block or counteract the “rewarding of prejudice” (page 153);

*“Desensitizing” is “our recipe” for converting “ambivalent skeptics”;

*"Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them" (page 221);

*"The Nazi story of “pink triangle as a symbol of victimization” should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190

*"It is acceptable to call people “Homophobic” or “Homohaters” if they do not agree 100% with homosexual views, opinions, or behavior. (page xxiii)

*"Show grisly victimization of gays and demand that readers identify themselves with EITHER social tolerance OR gruesome cruelty";

"All speech that is opposing homosexual behavior should be banned under “clear and present danger to public order” (page 101)"

*"In time we see no reason why more and more diversity should not be introduced into the projected image (i.e., drag queens, pedophiles, etc.) (page 186)

*"Ads must manage to get the word gay into the headline or tagline (page 207)

*"Several years down the road, our tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to mainstream media" (page 213)

*"Associate and link gays to good causes and non-controversial activities" (page 219)

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=44c_134 ... comments=1

What you just did is, in my opinion, discriminatory. You have somehow lumped anyone and everyone who might be struggling with homosexuality into a group of fanatical evil do-no-gooders that are out to destroy your happy way of life. I can't count how many hateful threads and posts made by Lizzy60 about "Mormons building bridges" etc. The message is loud and clear....if one is gay they have no place in the Church for people like you and Lizzy60. I dont have a personal problem with you or with her....but you asked for an example and now I have given you one. Actually you gave it yourself. The minute you lump someone into a category and dismiss them over a behavior or a trait like skin color.....you are descriminating. Take a hard look at yourself, and if I am mistaken, I am happy to hear your take on why......as long as you can be respectful.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:56 pm... If a man is an unmarried adult and has sex with a female, I dont distinguish that from a man being an unmarried adult and having sex with a male.
Both deserve the same consequences. If that is not the case in your opinion, I'd like to know why.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 9:10 pm Copied off Twitter:

"We just finished meeting with BYU Comms and as many others can confirm, gays can officially date at BYU and a statement will be released soon after being reviewed by many more people than their last tweet."

"This decision is straight from the FP and Q12, and if anyone has an issue with their decision, they can take it up with them. Also starting the discussion on potential anti-discrimination policy to help ease the transition."

johnBob wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:03 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 9:10 pm Copied off Twitter:

"We just finished meeting with BYU Comms and as many others can confirm, gays can officially date at BYU and a statement will be released soon after being reviewed by many more people than their last tweet."

"This decision is straight from the FP and Q12, and if anyone has an issue with their decision, they can take it up with them. Also starting the discussion on potential anti-discrimination policy to help ease the transition."

link?

abijah` wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:07 pm for anyone who wants to learn more about the things you don’t typically hear about homosexual culture

discusses things like associations w/ things like paedophilia and how homosexual intercourse is connected with dominance and how this plays out and many other things

“relationships between older men and younger boys are a common function of gay life” <—

this is jordan Peterson’s video description -
“I should start by saying that Milo is definitely now on the list of those who no one acceptable socially should ever speak to, which I suppose is one of the reasons why I’m talking to him. I want to know what happened to him over the last few years, in his words, and I don’t really give a damn if that’s politically incorrect. I also plan to post clips directly from this discussion on Facebook this week. We'll all see (all who are interested) what happens when that occurs.

Milo's a hard man to categorize. Part journalist, part performance artist, part agent provocateur, part comedian and wit, Yiannopoulos is a man of immense and complex self contradiction. He’s half-Greek and half-Irish, but is know as an Englishman to the Americans with whom he has communicated extensively. He’s gay, and Jewish by descent. He married to his long-term boyfriend, an African-American man, in Hawaii, in 2017, but faces frequent accusations of racism. He is—or was—strangely attractive to young American Republicans, and completed a successful and controversy-ridden tour of US universities in 2016-2017. For at least two years, he was one of the most well-known internet celebrities, let’s say, on the political front, and caused more uproar than any other single person that I can think of.

In my view, for what it’s worth, Milo was such a figure of inner contradiction and outer controversy that I believed his time was numbered. Nonetheless, the circumstances of his demise were unpredictable, I would say (and that’s in keeping with his apparent destiny). After revealing details of his early sexual experiences at the hands of a decades older priest, whom he refused to name, he stated that he was an active participant in the events, and that such occurrences were far more common (and far more consensual) than people were willing to admit. I don’t think he ever recovered from the controversy that those comments generated.

In case it has to be said, and no doubt it does, I believe that what happened to him was absolutely unforgivable, and it would seem that he has come to share that opinion. Our conversation centered mostly around these issues, which I believe to be of wide general relevance. Hence the video.”

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 5:05 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 4:34 pm

mike_rumble wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 4:16 pm Homosexuality seems to be a unique sin (although lately Abortion has been catching up) in that it is the only sin that people take pride in. Pride in either participating in homosexual acts or pride in wanting to be identified as a homosexual. If you support same-sex marriage then you support what same-sex couples do in the bedroom. It may be private, but we all know what happens. The media has slowly educated us about this over the past 50 years or so. No one in a same-sex marriage is struggling with their homosexuality. They have already chosen where they stand. What they want is to be told that it's okay; okay with their fellow humans and okay with God. An openly "gay" couple sitting quietly in the Church pew is making a statement. Just like the media, they are "educating us" to think of their behaviour as normal. If we say nothing, it is giving silent consent to how they behave. We will ultimately accept practicing homosexuals because we are afraid to speak up, afraid to be embarassed or afraid that we will lose our reputations or our job. Our children will accept practicing homosexuals because they see that we have accepted such people, even while they practice or parade their sin. On a personal note: I am now retired. I have three small pensions (old age, Canada pension, provincial pension). If I live long enough, there will come a time when those pensions may be withheld from me on the basis of my "hate crime" of thinking LTBGXXX people are immoral and sinful. I certainly would not be surprised.

Or maybe they just like being gay, are happy being gay, and they don’t care what you think about that? I highly doubt other people’s sexuality is all about you accepting it. Lol

I have never met a homosexual who is truly happy.
It's a thoroughly miserable existence.

staglym wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:52 pm Yeah I think this is one of the last straws for me. I'm out, everyone. See you later.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 5:05 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 4:34 pm

mike_rumble wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 4:16 pm Homosexuality seems to be a unique sin (although lately Abortion has been catching up) in that it is the only sin that people take pride in. Pride in either participating in homosexual acts or pride in wanting to be identified as a homosexual. If you support same-sex marriage then you support what same-sex couples do in the bedroom. It may be private, but we all know what happens. The media has slowly educated us about this over the past 50 years or so. No one in a same-sex marriage is struggling with their homosexuality. They have already chosen where they stand. What they want is to be told that it's okay; okay with their fellow humans and okay with God. An openly "gay" couple sitting quietly in the Church pew is making a statement. Just like the media, they are "educating us" to think of their behaviour as normal. If we say nothing, it is giving silent consent to how they behave. We will ultimately accept practicing homosexuals because we are afraid to speak up, afraid to be embarassed or afraid that we will lose our reputations or our job. Our children will accept practicing homosexuals because they see that we have accepted such people, even while they practice or parade their sin. On a personal note: I am now retired. I have three small pensions (old age, Canada pension, provincial pension). If I live long enough, there will come a time when those pensions may be withheld from me on the basis of my "hate crime" of thinking LTBGXXX people are immoral and sinful. I certainly would not be surprised.

Or maybe they just like being gay, are happy being gay, and they don’t care what you think about that? I highly doubt other people’s sexuality is all about you accepting it. Lol

I have never met a homosexual who is truly happy.
It's a thoroughly miserable existence.

thestock wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 4:46 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 5:05 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 4:34 pm

mike_rumble wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 4:16 pm Homosexuality seems to be a unique sin (although lately Abortion has been catching up) in that it is the only sin that people take pride in. Pride in either participating in homosexual acts or pride in wanting to be identified as a homosexual. If you support same-sex marriage then you support what same-sex couples do in the bedroom. It may be private, but we all know what happens. The media has slowly educated us about this over the past 50 years or so. No one in a same-sex marriage is struggling with their homosexuality. They have already chosen where they stand. What they want is to be told that it's okay; okay with their fellow humans and okay with God. An openly "gay" couple sitting quietly in the Church pew is making a statement. Just like the media, they are "educating us" to think of their behaviour as normal. If we say nothing, it is giving silent consent to how they behave. We will ultimately accept practicing homosexuals because we are afraid to speak up, afraid to be embarassed or afraid that we will lose our reputations or our job. Our children will accept practicing homosexuals because they see that we have accepted such people, even while they practice or parade their sin. On a personal note: I am now retired. I have three small pensions (old age, Canada pension, provincial pension). If I live long enough, there will come a time when those pensions may be withheld from me on the basis of my "hate crime" of thinking LTBGXXX people are immoral and sinful. I certainly would not be surprised.

Or maybe they just like being gay, are happy being gay, and they don’t care what you think about that? I highly doubt other people’s sexuality is all about you accepting it. Lol

I have never met a homosexual who is truly happy.
It's a thoroughly miserable existence.

And yet, according to you, they all choose this misery. Makes sense to me.

Doc wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:51 pm ...if this is all true, then I pray that the judgements from above no longer be stayed.

Durzan wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 9:17 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 8:40 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:56 pm... If a man is an unmarried adult and has sex with a female, I dont distinguish that from a man being an unmarried adult and having sex with a male.
Both deserve the same consequences. If that is not the case in your opinion, I'd like to know why.

TRUTH happens!!! That’s why.
Excuse my bluntness - but there’s no way around it.

Don’t you realize an anus is not the same as a vagina?
What do you use your anus for? Pooping! It’s an exit-only. When the anus is used as an entrance, pretending it’s a vagina for sex, there are often complications of:
*anal fissures
*colon rupture
*anal cancer
*bacterial infection.

In real sex between a man and a woman, there are no such complications. Also as mentioned, those who practice homosexuality have much much higher rates of AIDS/HIV, STDS, mental illness and drug abuse. So advertising or supporting behavior known to be harmful is NOT loving but cruel.

FYI, as a general rule of thumb, same-sex couples generally prefer to perform oral sex or cullingnitus (or an equivalent) over anal sex. Thus your argument about anal sex would be far better suited as an argument against anal sex in general rather than an argument meant to target same-sex couples.

Doc wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 10:51 pm ...if this is all true, then I pray that the judgements from above no longer be stayed.

Luke wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 7:49 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mormo ... r-BB10cVBr

Disgusting. Lesbians kissing in front of a statue of Brigham Young...

What a laugh we're letting Satan have...

And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn; and my grace is sufficient for the meek, that they shall take no advantage of your weakness
Ether 12:26

Luke wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 5:01 am

thestock wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 4:46 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 5:05 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 4:34 pm

Or maybe they just like being gay, are happy being gay, and they don’t care what you think about that? I highly doubt other people’s sexuality is all about you accepting it. Lol

I have never met a homosexual who is truly happy.
It's a thoroughly miserable existence.

And yet, according to you, they all choose this misery. Makes sense to me.

Yes they do. Stop defending something evil.

thestock wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:35 am

Luke wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 5:01 am

thestock wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 4:46 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 5:05 pm

I have never met a homosexual who is truly happy.
It's a thoroughly miserable existence.

And yet, according to you, they all choose this misery. Makes sense to me.

Yes they do. Stop defending something evil.

Totally ignorant statement. I've known people who were clearly effeminate and had gay tendencies from the time they were just entering puberty. But yeah, they are just really evil people who choose to sin in a way where historically they get ridiculed, shamed, emancipated by their families, and even physically assaulted until recent decades.

nightlight wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:38 am

thestock wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:35 am

Luke wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 5:01 am

thestock wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 4:46 am

And yet, according to you, they all choose this misery. Makes sense to me.

Yes they do. Stop defending something evil.

Totally ignorant statement. I've known people who were clearly effeminate and had gay tendencies from the time they were just entering puberty. But yeah, they are just really evil people who choose to sin in a way where historically they get ridiculed, shamed, emancipated by their families, and even physically assaulted until recent decades.

Do you believe gay sex is a sin?

thestock wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:39 am

nightlight wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:38 am

thestock wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 8:35 am

Luke wrote: ↑February 21st, 2020, 5:01 am

Yes they do. Stop defending something evil.

Totally ignorant statement. I've known people who were clearly effeminate and had gay tendencies from the time they were just entering puberty. But yeah, they are just really evil people who choose to sin in a way where historically they get ridiculed, shamed, emancipated by their families, and even physically assaulted until recent decades.

Do you believe gay sex is a sin?

Read the thread. Stop asking me questions I have already answered.