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simpleton wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:15 am God very clearly declared in the D&C that if we would live His laws, He would fight our battles.
Seems like there were 3 hebrews that defied the king of Babylon, they were thrown into the fiery furnace, and believe me, they fully thought they were going to their death, they were willing to die for the faith. WE ARE NOT, hence, that is why God will not fight our battles.
So, just quit all your crying the blues, every single thing that the feds throw at us, WE WILL COMPROMISE, PERIOD. We have so far, since the feds completely broke us in the late 1800,s. Should not surprise anybody, and we will continue to compromise on every single confrontation until the predicted Deliverer comes and defies the corrupt powers that be.
All this is predicted in the scriptures from a few thousand years ago, and also predicted by some in the last century.
Compromises and concessions is what we are famous for, and we will continue to compromise until He comes who's right it is to reign. Then there will be a cleansing, a setting in order, a restoration of what Joseph and Brigham tried to get us to live in the first place.

'Compromise and Concession' by Ogden Kraut is a great book. The title sums us up perfectly...

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm But you didn't say anything about NCAA charters, or even BYU. You said "Discriminating against people who are different than you is also pretty terrible..."

Bishops, mission presidents, BYU admins, GA's discriminate against people because of what they perceive are their sins. Smoke? You can't be baptized. Gay married? You can't hold a calling and may be dis-membershipped. Transsexual? You can't go to RS or PH or YM or YW meetings.

There is a big difference between what you are saying and the way people on this board and in this church act towards these our brothers and sisters. A BIG difference. The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm But you didn't say anything about NCAA charters, or even BYU. You said "Discriminating against people who are different than you is also pretty terrible..."

Bishops, mission presidents, BYU admins, GA's discriminate against people because of what they perceive are their sins. Smoke? You can't be baptized. Gay married? You can't hold a calling and may be dis-membershipped. Transsexual? You can't go to RS or PH or YM or YW meetings.

There is a big difference between what you are saying and the way people on this board and in this church act towards these our brothers and sisters. A BIG difference. The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

Lol hatred. You wouldn't know what hate is if is smacked you upside the head.

I hate SIN. I glory in righteousness. I glory in God, I glory that through Christ ALL mankind can change who they are and become new creatures in Christ. I hate the ideologies of those who pervert the way of the Lord, I call them to repentance. I beg them to repent and turn to God.

If that is hate-then sign me up!

I follow the pattern set forth in the scriptures of what it means to be a Disciple of Christ, I follow prophets of old like Nephi, Lehi, Moroni, Abinidi, Isaiah, Joseph Smith, Ezekial and too many others to list. All of them, every single one of them cried repentance and turning to God with all one's heart, might, mind and soul. All of them begged the people to change. All of them called out wickedness and sin.

I will never be like unto them-but they showed the way, they showed what it means to be a Disciple of Christ.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:53 am Discriminating against people who are different from you is also pretty terrible. You can nitpick their sins all you want....I will nitpick yours

The doctrine of the progressive mormon in a nutshell.

The only true sin is calling out the sin of others (Unless you are calling out others for the sin of calling out others). Discriminating is the true evil, unless you are discriminating against those you perceive to be discriminating. Such a hypocritical and self-righteous belief system that allows you to feel virtuous and be a tyrant at the same time. Divinely appointed hall monitors.

We all discriminate every day and it is always based upon the differences of others. There is no way to actually have choice if you do not discriminate. This belief system you espouse is merely a fantasy and cannot exist in the real world. When you accept the differences of others you are discriminating just as much as the person who rejects them.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm But you didn't say anything about NCAA charters, or even BYU. You said "Discriminating against people who are different than you is also pretty terrible..."

Bishops, mission presidents, BYU admins, GA's discriminate against people because of what they perceive are their sins. Smoke? You can't be baptized. Gay married? You can't hold a calling and may be dis-membershipped. Transsexual? You can't go to RS or PH or YM or YW meetings.

There is a big difference between what you are saying and the way people on this board and in this church act towards these our brothers and sisters. A BIG difference. The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

Kindly point out where anyone has actually done so and I will concede that you are right.

Nonetheless the point still stands that homosexuality is an abomination and God isn't going to change his mind.

Are you going to accuse us of hating murderers, paedophiles, rapists, thieves and other wicked men because we don't approve of their sins? Quit while you're ahead man...

I don't have any hatred in my heart. But you do, for God's standards.

Serragon wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:22 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:53 am Discriminating against people who are different from you is also pretty terrible. You can nitpick their sins all you want....I will nitpick yours

The doctrine of the progressive mormon in a nutshell.

The only true sin is calling out the sin of others (Unless you are calling out others for the sin of calling out others). Discriminating is the true evil, unless you are discriminating against those you perceive to be discriminating. Such a hypocritical and self-righteous belief system that allows you to feel virtuous and be a tyrant at the same time. Divinely appointed hall monitors.

We all discriminate every day and it is always based upon the differences of others. There is no way to actually have choice if you do not discriminate. This belief system you espouse is merely a fantasy and cannot exist in the real world. When you accept the differences of others you are discriminating just as much as the person who rejects them.

Wow. You sure give John Handy a run for his money....

Serragon wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:22 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:53 am Discriminating against people who are different from you is also pretty terrible. You can nitpick their sins all you want....I will nitpick yours

The doctrine of the progressive mormon in a nutshell.

Yes and it is vapid and meaningless-because the only principle they have is to follow whatever their own crowd is doing.
It's called The Church of Woke, for a reason, Christ isn't their God, being Woke is.

Luke wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:24 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm But you didn't say anything about NCAA charters, or even BYU. You said "Discriminating against people who are different than you is also pretty terrible..."

Bishops, mission presidents, BYU admins, GA's discriminate against people because of what they perceive are their sins. Smoke? You can't be baptized. Gay married? You can't hold a calling and may be dis-membershipped. Transsexual? You can't go to RS or PH or YM or YW meetings.

There is a big difference between what you are saying and the way people on this board and in this church act towards these our brothers and sisters. A BIG difference. The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

Kindly point out where anyone has actually done so and I will concede that you are right.

Nonetheless the point still stands that homosexuality is an abomination and God isn't going to change his mind.

Are you going to accuse us of hating murderers, paedophiles, rapists, thieves and other wicked men because we don't approve of their sins? Quit while you're ahead man...

I don't have any hatred in my heart. But you do, for God's standards.

If you have hatred towards anyone, even if it is a murderer or a pedophile.....it is only you who ends up the victim of said hatred in the end.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:23 pm You are so obsessed with me, you probably couldnt be bothered to read what others were writing before you compulsively hit "reply" and come back at me with whatever totally illogical and insane thing your brain spits out.

Woah stop hating

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:26 pm

Luke wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:24 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm But you didn't say anything about NCAA charters, or even BYU. You said "Discriminating against people who are different than you is also pretty terrible..."

Bishops, mission presidents, BYU admins, GA's discriminate against people because of what they perceive are their sins. Smoke? You can't be baptized. Gay married? You can't hold a calling and may be dis-membershipped. Transsexual? You can't go to RS or PH or YM or YW meetings.

There is a big difference between what you are saying and the way people on this board and in this church act towards these our brothers and sisters. A BIG difference. The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

Kindly point out where anyone has actually done so and I will concede that you are right.

Nonetheless the point still stands that homosexuality is an abomination and God isn't going to change his mind.

Are you going to accuse us of hating murderers, paedophiles, rapists, thieves and other wicked men because we don't approve of their sins? Quit while you're ahead man...

I don't have any hatred in my heart. But you do, for God's standards.

If you have hatred towards anyone, even if it is a murderer or a pedophile.....it is only you who ends up the victim of said hatred in the end.

What are you chatting.

Disapproval of sin isn't hatred.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:26 pm

Luke wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:24 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm But you didn't say anything about NCAA charters, or even BYU. You said "Discriminating against people who are different than you is also pretty terrible..."

Bishops, mission presidents, BYU admins, GA's discriminate against people because of what they perceive are their sins. Smoke? You can't be baptized. Gay married? You can't hold a calling and may be dis-membershipped. Transsexual? You can't go to RS or PH or YM or YW meetings.

There is a big difference between what you are saying and the way people on this board and in this church act towards these our brothers and sisters. A BIG difference. The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

Kindly point out where anyone has actually done so and I will concede that you are right.

Nonetheless the point still stands that homosexuality is an abomination and God isn't going to change his mind.

Are you going to accuse us of hating murderers, paedophiles, rapists, thieves and other wicked men because we don't approve of their sins? Quit while you're ahead man...

I don't have any hatred in my heart. But you do, for God's standards.

If you have hatred towards anyone, even if it is a murderer or a pedophile.....it is only you who ends up the victim of said hatred in the end.

So not approving of someone's behavior is now hate. Lol good called evil and evil called good. Love is hate and hate is love.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm But you didn't say anything about NCAA charters, or even BYU. You said "Discriminating against people who are different than you is also pretty terrible..."

Bishops, mission presidents, BYU admins, GA's discriminate against people because of what they perceive are their sins. Smoke? You can't be baptized. Gay married? You can't hold a calling and may be dis-membershipped. Transsexual? You can't go to RS or PH or YM or YW meetings.

The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

You realize that you just engaged in discrimination, right? You have attributed a motive and emotion, hatred, to JohnBob. This attribution is based purely upon your own pre-conceived notions and biases. What you are doing is absolutely no different than what you accuse others. You have chosen to believe that JohnBob is committing a sin and have chosen to call him out on it. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Serragon wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:28 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm But you didn't say anything about NCAA charters, or even BYU. You said "Discriminating against people who are different than you is also pretty terrible..."

Bishops, mission presidents, BYU admins, GA's discriminate against people because of what they perceive are their sins. Smoke? You can't be baptized. Gay married? You can't hold a calling and may be dis-membershipped. Transsexual? You can't go to RS or PH or YM or YW meetings.

The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

You realize that you just engaged in discrimination, right? You have attributed a motive and emotion, hatred, to JohnBob. This attribution is based purely upon your own pre-conceived notions and biases. What you are doing is absolutely no different than what you accuse others. You have chosen to believe that JohnBob is committing a sin and have chosen to call him out on it. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

You got me there, Pharisee

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:32 pm

Serragon wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:28 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm But you didn't say anything about NCAA charters, or even BYU. You said "Discriminating against people who are different than you is also pretty terrible..."

Bishops, mission presidents, BYU admins, GA's discriminate against people because of what they perceive are their sins. Smoke? You can't be baptized. Gay married? You can't hold a calling and may be dis-membershipped. Transsexual? You can't go to RS or PH or YM or YW meetings.

The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

You realize that you just engaged in discrimination, right? You have attributed a motive and emotion, hatred, to JohnBob. This attribution is based purely upon your own pre-conceived notions and biases. What you are doing is absolutely no different than what you accuse others. You have chosen to believe that JohnBob is committing a sin and have chosen to call him out on it. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

You got me there, Pharisee

thestock.

Would you agree to a simple solution of a split. You take your group who believe in homosexuals and it's practice, I'll be in another group who opposes it. We split Temples and then we are done.

Is that not an acceptable solution for you?

johnBob wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:37 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:32 pm

Serragon wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:28 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:18 pm

The behavior I observe is simply hating on them. Sure you can have your reasons. They can be gay, black, Asian, trans....whatever. But you folks straight HATE them and discriminate against them for these things. People like JohnBob are so full of hatred that it oozes from the words they type on the internet a thousand miles away from me. It comes through with a real power. Now tell me a person like JohnBob is just following the Church standards.........

You realize that you just engaged in discrimination, right? You have attributed a motive and emotion, hatred, to JohnBob. This attribution is based purely upon your own pre-conceived notions and biases. What you are doing is absolutely no different than what you accuse others. You have chosen to believe that JohnBob is committing a sin and have chosen to call him out on it. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

You got me there, Pharisee

thestock.

Would you agree to a simple solution of a split. You take your group who believe in homosexuals and it's practice, I'll be in another group who opposes it. We split Temples and then we are done.

Is that not an acceptable solution for you?

Hahaha thats the first time I thought maybe you might be a funny and regular guy! Keep it up.

Have as many temples as you want and hold dear to as many doctrines as you can. Just treat people with respect. ALL people, please. From where I sit, many on this board claim to "hate sin" but really they do not distinguish the sin from the sinner.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:44 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:37 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:32 pm

Serragon wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:28 pm

You realize that you just engaged in discrimination, right? You have attributed a motive and emotion, hatred, to JohnBob. This attribution is based purely upon your own pre-conceived notions and biases. What you are doing is absolutely no different than what you accuse others. You have chosen to believe that JohnBob is committing a sin and have chosen to call him out on it. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

You got me there, Pharisee

thestock.

Would you agree to a simple solution of a split. You take your group who believe in homosexuals and it's practice, I'll be in another group who opposes it. We split Temples and then we are done.

Is that not an acceptable solution for you?

Hahaha thats the first time I thought maybe you might be a funny and regular guy! Keep it up.

Have as many temples as you want and hold dear to as many doctrines as you can. Just treat people with respect. ALL people, please. From where I sit, many on this board claim to "hate sin" but really they do not distinguish the sin from the sinner.

Okay thestock, please explain in detail your stance on homosexuality by answering these questions at least:

Should homosexual behaviour be allowed? i.e. should homosexuals be allowed to have sex etc. and retain Church membership?

Should homosexual marriage be allowed in the temple?

Those are the only questions. Feel free to add much more if you like.

Luke wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:17 pm

simpleton wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:15 am God very clearly declared in the D&C that if we would live His laws, He would fight our battles.
Seems like there were 3 hebrews that defied the king of Babylon, they were thrown into the fiery furnace, and believe me, they fully thought they were going to their death, they were willing to die for the faith. WE ARE NOT, hence, that is why God will not fight our battles.
So, just quit all your crying the blues, every single thing that the feds throw at us, WE WILL COMPROMISE, PERIOD. We have so far, since the feds completely broke us in the late 1800,s. Should not surprise anybody, and we will continue to compromise on every single confrontation until the predicted Deliverer comes and defies the corrupt powers that be.
All this is predicted in the scriptures from a few thousand years ago, and also predicted by some in the last century.
Compromises and concessions is what we are famous for, and we will continue to compromise until He comes who's right it is to reign. Then there will be a cleansing, a setting in order, a restoration of what Joseph and Brigham tried to get us to live in the first place.

'Compromise and Concession' by Ogden Kraut is a great book. The title sums us up perfectly...

Yes... I read that book many years ago.

Luke wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:47 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:44 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:37 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:32 pm

You got me there, Pharisee

thestock.

Would you agree to a simple solution of a split. You take your group who believe in homosexuals and it's practice, I'll be in another group who opposes it. We split Temples and then we are done.

Is that not an acceptable solution for you?

Hahaha thats the first time I thought maybe you might be a funny and regular guy! Keep it up.

Have as many temples as you want and hold dear to as many doctrines as you can. Just treat people with respect. ALL people, please. From where I sit, many on this board claim to "hate sin" but really they do not distinguish the sin from the sinner.

Okay thestock, please explain in detail your stance on homosexuality by answering these questions at least:

Should homosexual behaviour be allowed? i.e. should homosexuals be allowed to have sex etc. and retain Church membership?

Should homosexual marriage be allowed in the temple?

Those are the only questions. Feel free to add much more if you like.

Happy to answer your questions with my opinions.

1) Homosexuals should be treated like any other member facing a similar challenge. If a man is an unmarried adult and has sex with a female, I dont distinguish that from a man being an unmarried adult and having sex with a male. Both deserve the same consequences. If that is not the case in your opinion, I'd like to know why.

2) No, I dont believe it should be allowed in the temple.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:44 pm Just treat people with respect. ALL people, please. From where I sit, many on this board claim to "hate sin" but really they do not distinguish the sin from the sinner.

Do you consider it respectful to call people haters and Pharisees when they disagree with you? Just curious since this idea of treating people with respect seems to be your guiding principle. Seems like you are dropping into hypocrisy again.

Sitting in your throne of judgement surrounded only by your own biases and prejudices it may seem reasonable to label people haters. But this says more about you than it does those you are judging. When you define words such as respect to mean agreeing with your perspective on things then you already have a guaranteed that your judgments will be wrong.

If you truly wish others to be respectful, start with your own behavior. When someone says something specific that is hateful, call them out on it. But calling people haters because they have made general statements you disagree with about behavior is not respectful.

Serragon wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:59 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:44 pm Just treat people with respect. ALL people, please. From where I sit, many on this board claim to "hate sin" but really they do not distinguish the sin from the sinner.

Do you consider it respectful to call people haters and Pharisees when they disagree with you? Just curious since this idea of treating people with respect seems to be your guiding principle. Seems like you are dropping into hypocrisy again.

Sitting in your throne of judgement surrounded only by your own biases and prejudices it may seem reasonable to label people haters. But this says more about you than it does those you are judging. When you define words such as respect to mean agreeing with your perspective on things then you already have a guaranteed that your judgments will be wrong.

If you truly wish others to be respectful, start with your own behavior. When someone says something specific that is hateful, call them out on it. But calling people haters because they have made general statements you disagree with about behavior is not respectful.

I usually start with respectful behavior. Some times I am able to continue to be respectful in the face of harsh words from others....other times I devolve into the same behavior displayed here by others. When that happens, I try to resist the urge to get into personal back and forths. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesnt.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 11:53 am ... Discriminating against people who are different from you is also pretty terrible.

You’ve been repeatedly asked to give specific examples of this “discriminating against people” you accuse others of, yet you have not given one. Why? Because nobody’s discriminating against anyone personally. It’s behavior that statistically proves to be HARMFUL which NEEDS to be pointed out.

It’s like the Surgeon General was morally obligated to put warnings on all cigarette packages. Applying your reasoning, you would accuse anyone speaking bad about smoking as discriminating against people. Either you are BS-ing, or you really don’t realize the mind control you’ve fallen for. You’d think you’d have learned by now, but if you don’t realize the workings of mind control especially in the form of herd mentality, then you keep falling for it - just different brands.

This 10-min video explains homosexual activists goals in “psychological attacks” (mind control) to cause the masses to change from disgust of homosexuality to supporting it. “After the Ball” is a 1989 “how-to” book on manipulating minds to support homosexuality, despite facts proving homosexuality to be illogical and statistically harmful to those engaged in it and to children. These goals are explained:
1) Desensitizing
2) Jamming
3) Conversion
The following are some admissions of mind control from homosexual activist authors of "After the Ball..."

*"The homosexual agenda can succeed by conversion of the average Americans emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda to the nation via media (page 153)

*“Propaganda relies more upon emotional manipulation than upon logic, since its goal is to bring about public change” (page 162)

*Propaganda can be unabashedly subjective and one-sided, there is nothing wrong with this (page 163);

*"The Homosexual agenda can succeed by “desensitization” achieved by lowering the intensity of antigay emotional reactions to a level of sheer indifference" (page 153)

*”The Homosexual agenda can succeed by “jamming” and “confusing” adversaries, so as to block or counteract the “rewarding of prejudice” (page 153);

*“Desensitizing” is “our recipe” for converting “ambivalent skeptics”;

*"Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them" (page 221);

*"The Nazi story of “pink triangle as a symbol of victimization” should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190

*"It is acceptable to call people “Homophobic” or “Homohaters” if they do not agree 100% with homosexual views, opinions, or behavior. (page xxiii)

*"Show grisly victimization of gays and demand that readers identify themselves with EITHER social tolerance OR gruesome cruelty";

"All speech that is opposing homosexual behavior should be banned under “clear and present danger to public order” (page 101)"

*"In time we see no reason why more and more diversity should not be introduced into the projected image (i.e., drag queens, pedophiles, etc.) (page 186)

*"Ads must manage to get the word gay into the headline or tagline (page 207)

*"Several years down the road, our tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to mainstream media" (page 213)

*"Associate and link gays to good causes and non-controversial activities" (page 219)

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=44c_134 ... comments=1

Serragon wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:59 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:44 pm Just treat people with respect. ALL people, please. From where I sit, many on this board claim to "hate sin" but really they do not distinguish the sin from the sinner.

If you truly wish others to be respectful, start with your own behavior.

The problem with the left and the woke in modernity is they do not know what respectful is or at least no one has a common understanding anymore of what "respect" means.. It's plain to see society is devolving.

The left now claims and honestly believes that words are violence, simply merely uttering that homosexuals should repent is now hateful and is worthy of physical violence.

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:56 pm If a man is an unmarried adult and has sex with a female, I dont distinguish that from a man being an unmarried adult and having sex with a male.

During Christ's time on the earth, the Jews were ruled by the Romans. Paul spent much of his missionary life in the Greek lands.

For both of these cultures, homosexuality was widely practiced and accepted. In fact, bi-sexuality was the norm. Given that there was no stigma against homosexuality, whey do you think both the jews and the newly formed Christians taught and believed that homosexuality was a sin? If there is no distinction between same gender sex and opposite gender sex, whey wouldn't they have simply adopted it into their habit like the rest of the world had done?

It would have caused them more problems and persecution by calling this "normal" practice sinful and requiring new converts to give it up than it would have done to accept it fully. And if God saw no distinction between both types of sex, why would this small group of people go out of there way to bring persecutions on themselves when God didn't require it?

Serragon wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 1:14 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 20th, 2020, 12:56 pm If a man is an unmarried adult and has sex with a female, I dont distinguish that from a man being an unmarried adult and having sex with a male.

During Christ's time on the earth, the Jews were ruled by the Romans. Paul spent much of his missionary life in the Greek lands.

For both of these cultures, homosexuality was widely practiced and accepted. In fact, bi-sexuality was the norm. Given that there was no stigma against homosexuality, whey do you think both the jews and the newly formed Christians taught and believed that homosexuality was a sin? If there is no distinction between same gender sex and opposite gender sex, whey wouldn't they have simply adopted it into their habit like the rest of the world had done?

It would have caused them more problems and persecution by calling this "normal" practice sinful and requiring new converts to give it up than it would have done to accept it fully. And if God saw no distinction between both types of sex, why would this small group of people go out of there way to bring persecutions on themselves when God didn't require it?

I mean if it is your opinion that gay fornication is worse than hetero fornication....more power to you. Im not really interested in stack ranking people's sins, but to me sexual sin is sexual sin. If two consenting adults have sex.....if it is fornication it is fornication. Why would one be worse than the other? Who, aside from the two individuals, is getting hurt in either scenario? At least in the gay scenario, there isnt any risk of a bastard child that grows up without a father.........

Good ol apostle Paul got to the point, he explicitly stated men with men and women with women and some other abominations were "worthy of death".
And all grant you adulterers also...