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Trump's handing out pardons today:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/us/p ... rtolo.html

I doubt anyone here cares for the president's ongoing corruption. They are too blinded by the fact that he's not Hillary or whatever.

But why in the world -- of all the cases out there -- would Trump use his executive power to free a slimeball like Blagojevich?

This is pretty strange. Why did he do it? Probably because he's a RINO.

14 years seems kind of harsh.

The average sentence for rape is 4.5 years.

With that being said, I don't know that I agree with the sentence being commuted. I think that presidential pardon powers are frequently abused.

Corrupt or not, RINO or not, it all comes down the the cold hard truth that Trump, has done more in 3 years to gut out planned parenthood, then all the presidents, conservatives (Romney) included, combined. Three marriages, some obscene words, possible obscene behavior, and shady backroom deals aren't going to hold up a hell of alot of weight when the man stands before God with a track record of being directly responsible for saving the lives of MILLIONS of unborn babies. Separating alot of kids from sex trafficking coyotes and pimps at the borders ain't gonna look too awful bad either.

tdj wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 2:27 pm Corrupt or not, RINO or not, it all comes down the the cold hard truth that Trump, has done more in 3 years to gut out planned parenthood, then all the presidents, conservatives (Romney) included, combined. Three marriages, some obscene words, possible obscene behavior, and shady backroom deals aren't going to hold up a hell of alot of weight when the man stands before God with a track record of being directly responsible for saving the lives of MILLIONS of unborn babies. Separating alot of kids from sex trafficking coyotes and pimps at the borders ain't gonna look too awful bad either.

You know, I find it amazing that you can't mention Trump on this forum without someone invoking the name of Romney. What in hell do you think Romney has had time or power to do anything about anything? He's the junior senator from an obscure state who has been on the job for less then two years. He's irrelevant to just about everything except for that lone vote against King Trump, for which he's now considered, ironically, the magic Man of the Middle. Funny how fast things change in politics.

Let's just stick to the Corrupt Trump and the blind who follow him, shall we?

Phantom wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 2:50 pm

tdj wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 2:27 pm Corrupt or not, RINO or not, it all comes down the the cold hard truth that Trump, has done more in 3 years to gut out planned parenthood, then all the presidents, conservatives (Romney) included, combined. Three marriages, some obscene words, possible obscene behavior, and shady backroom deals aren't going to hold up a hell of alot of weight when the man stands before God with a track record of being directly responsible for saving the lives of MILLIONS of unborn babies. Separating alot of kids from sex trafficking coyotes and pimps at the borders ain't gonna look too awful bad either.

You know, I find it amazing that you can't mention Trump on this forum without someone invoking the name of Romney. What in hell do you think Romney has had time or power to do anything about anything? He's the junior senator from an obscure state who has been on the job for less then two years. He's irrelevant to just about everything except for that lone vote against King Trump, for which he's now considered, ironically, the magic Man of the Middle. Funny how fast things change in politics.

Let's just stick to the Corrupt Trump and the blind who follow him, shall we?

The ignoramus Romney was also the Governor of Massachusetts, where he flipped and flopped on abortion and gun control.....sorry, Romney sucks.
Trump2020, because I’ll be damned if I’ll be very vote for a Democrat again, even at the local level after the parties actions of the last three years. Libertarian, Green or Constitutionalists will get my vote locally.
I’m voting for a President, NOT a Prophet.

tdj wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 2:27 pm Corrupt or not, RINO or not, it all comes down the the cold hard truth that Trump, has done more in 3 years to gut out planned parenthood, then all the presidents, conservatives (Romney) included, combined. Three marriages, some obscene words, possible obscene behavior, and shady backroom deals aren't going to hold up a hell of alot of weight when the man stands before God with a track record of being directly responsible for saving the lives of MILLIONS of unborn babies. Separating alot of kids from sex trafficking coyotes and pimps at the borders ain't gonna look too awful bad either.

Oh I see it doesn't matter what you do so long as you are working against Planned Parenthood, cheat on your wife? Not a problem, sexually assault women? No issue there, Pardon scumbag corrupt political figures, hay that's just fine, Steal from charities, that's OK too.

The amount of moral mental gymnastics going on here is just astounding.

Blagojevich served 10 years of a 14 year sentence for intending to sell Barack Obama's senate seat to the highest bidder.


If Trump's motivation was corruption then I suspect that he will face the condemnation of God for it.
If his motivation was mercy, I suspect Trump will be blessed for showing mercy.

Only God knows his heart.

gkearney wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:26 pm

tdj wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 2:27 pm Corrupt or not, RINO or not, it all comes down the the cold hard truth that Trump, has done more in 3 years to gut out planned parenthood, then all the presidents, conservatives (Romney) included, combined. Three marriages, some obscene words, possible obscene behavior, and shady backroom deals aren't going to hold up a hell of alot of weight when the man stands before God with a track record of being directly responsible for saving the lives of MILLIONS of unborn babies. Separating alot of kids from sex trafficking coyotes and pimps at the borders ain't gonna look too awful bad either.

Oh I see it doesn't matter what you do so long as you are working against Planned Parenthood, cheat on your wife? Not a problem, sexually assault women? No issue there, Pardon scumbag corrupt political figures, hay that's just fine, Steal from charities, that's OK too.

The amount of moral mental gymnastics going on here is just astounding.

I understand you’re a dem, who was your pick(if any) this primary?

tdj wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 2:27 pm Corrupt or not, RINO or not, it all comes down the the cold hard truth that Trump, has done more in 3 years to gut out planned parenthood, then all the presidents, conservatives (Romney) included, combined. Three marriages, some obscene words, possible obscene behavior, and shady backroom deals aren't going to hold up a hell of alot of weight when the man stands before God with a track record of being directly responsible for saving the lives of MILLIONS of unborn babies. Separating alot of kids from sex trafficking coyotes and pimps at the borders ain't gonna look too awful bad either.

It really helps when you don't care what people think of you. Trump doesn't care what the media thinks, and I LOVE that about him. I do think he's a RINO, and he does many things I don't like, including these pardons, but he's got my vote. Nationalism is one of the things this nation needs right now, so he's the man for the job.

Note that I said nationalism is needed. This is to counter the globalist conspirators (aka the deep state) that are trying to enslave all Americans.

Zathura wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:42 pm
I understand you’re a dem, who was your pick(if any) this primary?

The assumption is that if you're not for Trump, you're a Democrat????

Supporting one corrupt element over another isn't right. Or smart.

Phantom wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:46 pm

Zathura wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:42 pm
I understand you’re a dem, who was your pick(if any) this primary?

The assumption is that if you're not for Trump, you're a Democrat????

Supporting one corrupt element over another isn't right. Or smart.

No, that’s not what’s happening here. He had communicated to me elsewhere that he is a democrat. Either him or I’m mistaking him for someone else who told me this. It’s been a while since that conversation happened.

Edit: found the interaction. He is a democrat. I asked him who his pick was out of curiosity.

Zathura wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:42 pm

gkearney wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:26 pm

tdj wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 2:27 pm Corrupt or not, RINO or not, it all comes down the the cold hard truth that Trump, has done more in 3 years to gut out planned parenthood, then all the presidents, conservatives (Romney) included, combined. Three marriages, some obscene words, possible obscene behavior, and shady backroom deals aren't going to hold up a hell of alot of weight when the man stands before God with a track record of being directly responsible for saving the lives of MILLIONS of unborn babies. Separating alot of kids from sex trafficking coyotes and pimps at the borders ain't gonna look too awful bad either.

Oh I see it doesn't matter what you do so long as you are working against Planned Parenthood, cheat on your wife? Not a problem, sexually assault women? No issue there, Pardon scumbag corrupt political figures, hay that's just fine, Steal from charities, that's OK too.

The amount of moral mental gymnastics going on here is just astounding.

I understand you’re a dem, who was your pick(if any) this primary?

I have not yet really decided on that matter yet I have been waiting to see who rises to the top.

I like Sanders, I prefer my socialists to admit that is what they are and not try to weasel out of using the word. Sanders has, if anything else, been consistent his whole political career and I can appreciate that. I understand that there is no way in this world that Sanders would get even 1/10 or the things he promotes through Congress. In some ways Sanders and Trump both speak to the same group of people, people who have worked hard but found the economic cards stacked against them.

I would have thought Biden would have done better than he has up till now. I don't care for Bloomberg much but a full on catfight between the rich (Trump) and the really really rich (Bloomberg) would be entertaining to watch.

gkearney wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 4:06 pm

Zathura wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:42 pm

gkearney wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:26 pm

tdj wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 2:27 pm Corrupt or not, RINO or not, it all comes down the the cold hard truth that Trump, has done more in 3 years to gut out planned parenthood, then all the presidents, conservatives (Romney) included, combined. Three marriages, some obscene words, possible obscene behavior, and shady backroom deals aren't going to hold up a hell of alot of weight when the man stands before God with a track record of being directly responsible for saving the lives of MILLIONS of unborn babies. Separating alot of kids from sex trafficking coyotes and pimps at the borders ain't gonna look too awful bad either.

Oh I see it doesn't matter what you do so long as you are working against Planned Parenthood, cheat on your wife? Not a problem, sexually assault women? No issue there, Pardon scumbag corrupt political figures, hay that's just fine, Steal from charities, that's OK too.

The amount of moral mental gymnastics going on here is just astounding.

I understand you’re a dem, who was your pick(if any) this primary?

I have not yet really decided on that matter yet I have been waiting to see who rises to the top.

I like Sanders, I prefer my socialists to admit that is what they are and not try to weasel out of using the word. Sanders has, if anything else, been consistent his whole political career and I can appreciate that. I understand that there is no way in this world that Sanders would get even 1/10 or the things he promotes through Congress. In some ways Sanders and Trump both speak to the same group of people, people who have worked hard but found the economic cards stacked against them.

I would have thought Biden would have done better than he has up till now. I don't care for Bloomberg much but a full on catfight between the rich (Trump) and the really really rich (Bloomberg) would be entertaining to watch.

Yeah, I have similar thoughts. The democrats in power don’t want Bernie, so I don’t see most of his agenda ever happening with both parties opposing him.

I really liked Andrew Yang, he’s the only democrat I liked.
Gabbard is okay, but she’s apparently hated by the dems more than any other democrat.


Bloomberg v Trump would be fun, assuming Trump doesn’t back out of having debates like I’ve heard that’s he’s considering. I don’t imagine they are any different from each other . Imo privately they have a lot of the same beliefs and stances, Trump just ran as a Republican and stuck to republican ideology while Bloomberg did the opposite. I think both of them could have taken opposite paths and been equally successful. I honestly think there’s a bigger case to call Bloomberg a racist than Trump, he just doesn’t get called that because he’s running against Trump but hey, that’s my opinion.

Biden’s fall has surprised me.

Zathura wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 4:13 pm The democrats in power don’t want Bernie, so I don’t see most of his agenda ever happening with both parties opposing him.

Why don't they like Bernie? Honest question.

Bernie was cheated last time for sure. I think Trump would wipe the floor with him, though. And that's why the Dems don't want him. Bloomberg looks to be the dark horse...right now. Either way, Trump and whoever the Dems will put forward will not be all that different seeing that they are controlled by the same people.

ori wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 5:09 pm

Zathura wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 4:13 pm The democrats in power don’t want Bernie, so I don’t see most of his agenda ever happening with both parties opposing him.

Why don't they like Bernie? Honest question.

Mostly because I think most democrats , especially the politicians , don’t actually agree with the socialist ideas being pushed by Bernie. He had an extremely loud and vocal base so the support for his ideology seems bigger than it is I think.

He’s also literally not a democrat, which I think is hilarious.

gkearney wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:26 pm

tdj wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 2:27 pm Corrupt or not, RINO or not, it all comes down the the cold hard truth that Trump, has done more in 3 years to gut out planned parenthood, then all the presidents, conservatives (Romney) included, combined. Three marriages, some obscene words, possible obscene behavior, and shady backroom deals aren't going to hold up a hell of alot of weight when the man stands before God with a track record of being directly responsible for saving the lives of MILLIONS of unborn babies. Separating alot of kids from sex trafficking coyotes and pimps at the borders ain't gonna look too awful bad either.

Oh I see it doesn't matter what you do so long as you are working against Planned Parenthood, cheat on your wife? Not a problem, sexually assault women? No issue there, Pardon scumbag corrupt political figures, hay that's just fine, Steal from charities, that's OK too.

The amount of moral mental gymnastics going on here is just astounding.

Perfect description of Bill Clinton. Did you vote for him?

Phantom wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:46 pm

Zathura wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:42 pm
I understand you’re a dem, who was your pick(if any) this primary?

The assumption is that if you're not for Trump, you're a Democrat????

Supporting one corrupt element over another isn't right. Or smart.

Come on, Arenera, gkearney is proud of his leftist beliefs - he brags about it constantly. I'm surprised you've missed all his posts here on LDSFF trying to 'shock' all of us conservatives. It's quite humorous, really; just like all the socialists in our ward - they try to shock us, too - pretty embarrassing for them.

As for your idea that supporting one corrupt element over another is not right or smart - why then do you support Romney?? Actually, never-mind, we know your beliefs from your years of posting your hatred of Trump and your love affair with Romney on the forum.

The conspirators know they are more effective by appearing outwardly more moderate, while slowly eroding our freedoms, and continuing their secret works of darkness behind the scenes. And it's not just the Democrats, obviously, Republicans too. Political parties are just part of the game for them.

Zathura wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 5:18 pm

ori wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 5:09 pm

Zathura wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 4:13 pm The democrats in power don’t want Bernie, so I don’t see most of his agenda ever happening with both parties opposing him.

Why don't they like Bernie? Honest question.

Mostly because I think most democrats , especially the politicians , don’t actually agree with the socialist ideas being pushed by Bernie. He had an extremely loud and vocal base so the support for his ideology seems bigger than it is I think.

He’s also literally not a democrat, which I think is hilarious.

My democrat friends say the same thing. None of them like Bernie at all, because he's a loud, rude, obnoxious old man with zero social skills (same reasons they aren't voting for hair-sniffing, women-groping Biden). Oh, and he's a communist. They look at videos of his honeymoon in Russia, with him singing national commie songs, naked with a group of communists, etc. and they are embarrassed by him and are not going to vote for him. As far left as the Democrat party is now, the average half-way normal democrat who isn't a multi-millionaire (like Bernie and Biden are), and who lives in real America and not on either coast, isn't thrilled with having a literal communist represent them - yet anyway.

Bernie is only running to get another house out of it. He knows he has no chance of winning in the general election.

Phantom wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 12:17 pm Trump's handing out pardons today:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/us/p ... rtolo.html

I doubt anyone here cares for the president's ongoing corruption. They are too blinded by the fact that he's not Hillary or whatever.

But why in the world -- of all the cases out there -- would Trump use his executive power to free a slimeball like Blagojevich?

I don't know why Blagojevich was commuted (not pardoned) but he served most of his time anyway. It's not like any other president who commutes criminals like Manning or Rivera. Obama pardoned or commuted 1,962 people. Bush pardoned or commuted a total of 200 people. Clinton came in with 459 total. Bush before him was at 77 and Regan was at 406. Not sure why it skyrocketed with Obama but that's the history.

markharr wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:28 pm Blagojevich served 10 years of a 14 year sentence for intending to sell Barack Obama's senate seat to the highest bidder.


If Trump's motivation was corruption then I suspect that he will face the condemnation of God for it.
If his motivation was mercy, I suspect Trump will be blessed for showing mercy.

Only God knows his heart.

Maybe Blagojevich's cooperation is desired to bring down the Deep State, especially where Barack Obama is involved.

Chip wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 8:45 pm

markharr wrote: ↑February 18th, 2020, 3:28 pm Blagojevich served 10 years of a 14 year sentence for intending to sell Barack Obama's senate seat to the highest bidder.


If Trump's motivation was corruption then I suspect that he will face the condemnation of God for it.
If his motivation was mercy, I suspect Trump will be blessed for showing mercy.

Only God knows his heart.

Maybe Blagojevich's cooperation is desired to bring down the Deep State, especially where Barack Obama is involved.

Just a theory but Blagojevich's real crime was probably attempting to profit off of Obama's senate seat. And nobody was going to profit off of Obama's seat but Barack Obama.