LDS Freedom Forum

So this was shared by a major instagram account recently. A little while ago I actually visited BYU campus and was shocked to see a gay couple holding hands. If you do anything everyone will just call you a judge mental unchristlike bigot.

I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of a situation in the Church. Though they can be quite verbal and demonstrative with their PDA and seem to have captured all the media attention these days, LGBTQ individuals make up such a small percentage of adults in the world and an even smaller percentage of members in our Church. I would just let them be for now and not give them a second thought.

Not surprised. So they want a moment of attention and to inflame people. I say, don’t take the bait by refusing them attention.

The adversary will try to knock us off balance and provoke. This is not about the gay crowd, it’s about the adversary taunting and trying to provoke the righteous to anger...if we get angry or cruel back then it wins.

I dont know what to tell you. If living in an evolving society is too scary for you, go buy property in Amish country.

thestock wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:59 pm I dont know what to tell you. If living in an evolving society is too scary for you, go buy property in Amish country.

Good luck with your evolving society...

I have a feeling that water/food will soon be in short supply..on account of America's "evolution".

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:23 pm I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of a situation in the Church. Though they can be quite verbal and demonstrative with their PDA and seem to have captured all the media attention these days, LGBTQ individuals make up such a small percentage of adults in the world and an even smaller percentage of members in our Church. I would just let them be for now and not give them a second thought.

Actual LGBTQ may be a small percentage of church members, but their allies, including families, friends, church leaders, and generally liberal-leaning LDS, are growing in numbers exponentially.

I, for one, am very concerned with what I see and hear, especially as I hear top leadership buying into this hype.

"There is a place for everyone in this Church." NO!!! There is not a place for UNREPENTANT sinners who want the Church body to accept their homosexual activity as righteous, holy, and divinely sanctioned by God. And THAT is EXACTLY what they are demanding.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 2:33 pm

"There is a place for everyone in this Church." NO!!! There is not a place for UNREPENTANT sinners who want the Church body to accept their homosexual activity as righteous, holy, and divinely sanctioned by God. And THAT is EXACTLY what they are demanding.

There certainly is a place for the unrepentant but I don't think there's a place for the unrepentant who not only proudly wear their sin on their sleeve but who also promote their sin and teach that it isn't a sin. I don't have much patience for that. The pendulum in the church has swung a bit too far in regards to loving and accepting people. I hope church leadership will get a hold of it. I think Pres Oaks talk in last years GC was good as well as Pres. Nelson's talk at BYU last fall. I think there might be a bit more coming in that regard at the next GC, hopefully (wishfully) adding the Proclamation on the Family to the D&C.

Did anyone consider that the photo in the original post cold be a prank? I mean we have two girls kissing and nothing more. Are they BYU students or pranksters from the U of U or UVU who found a time say early Saturday morning and then snap the picture and post it on line. We have nothing in the photo to tell us they are in fact lesbians, or BYU students or anything really.

gkearney wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 3:29 pm Did anyone consider that the photo in the original post cold be a prank? I mean we have two girls kissing and nothing more. Are they BYU students or pranksters from the U of U or UVU who found a time say early Saturday morning and then snap the picture and post it on line. We have nothing in the photo to tell us they are in fact lesbians, or BYU students or anything really.

That was my thought with her in an immodest non-BYU approved tank top.

thestock wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:59 pm I dont know what to tell you. If living in an evolving society is too scary for you, go buy property in Amish country.

Ideally, a society “evolves” in healthy ways. Going along with mentally ill delusions of reality (like reproductive anatomy) is NOT healthy.

But many have been tricked to go along with this, not because they care. If they really cared, they wouldn’t encourage behavior statistically known to be harmful and often comes from pathology (like childhood sexual abuse). The reason some go along with insanity like pretending a man is a woman, is because they want praises of people over having integrity.

Homosexual mind control cognitive dissonance is seen in denying anatomical & reproductive facts, as it relates to popular homosexuality lies. People who exit one herd mentality or cognitive dissonance without fully understanding it, tend to just enter another. Many post-mormons tend to switch from Mormon ideologies to homosexual ideologies and again shun dissent. And most have no idea that they have even been subject to mind control.

• The following are some quotes and admissions of mind control from its homosexual activist authors from "After the Ball..."

*"The homosexual agenda can succeed by conversion of the average Americans emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda to the nation via media (page 153)

*“Propaganda relies more upon emotional manipulation than upon logic, since its goal is to bring about public change” (page 162)

*Propaganda can be unabashedly subjective and one-sided, there is nothing wrong with this (page 163);

*"The Homosexual agenda can succeed by “desensitization” achieved by lowering the intensity of antigay emotional reactions to a level of sheer indifference" (page 153)

*”The Homosexual agenda can succeed by “jamming” and “confusing” adversaries, so as to block or counteract the “rewarding of prejudice” (page 153);

*“Desensitizing” is “our recipe” for converting “ambivalent skeptics”;

*"Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them" (page 221);

*"The Nazi story of “pink triangle as a symbol of victimization” should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190

*"It is acceptable to call people “Homophobic” or “Homohaters” if they do not agree 100% with homosexual views, opinions, or behavior. (page xxiii)

*"Show grisly victimization of gays and demand that readers identify themselves with EITHER social tolerance OR gruesome cruelty";

"All speech that is opposing homosexual behavior should be banned under “clear and present danger to public order” (page 101)"

*"In time we see no reason why more and more diversity should not be introduced into the projected image (i.e., drag queens, pedophiles, etc.) (page 186)

*"Ads must manage to get the word gay into the headline or tagline (page 207)

*"Several years down the road, our tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to mainstream media" (page 213)

*"Associate and link gays to good causes and non-controversial activities" (page 219)

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Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 2:33 pm

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:23 pm I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of a situation in the Church. Though they can be quite verbal and demonstrative with their PDA and seem to have captured all the media attention these days, LGBTQ individuals make up such a small percentage of adults in the world and an even smaller percentage of members in our Church. I would just let them be for now and not give them a second thought.

Actual LGBTQ may be a small percentage of church members, but their allies, including families, friends, church leaders, and generally liberal-leaning LDS, are growing in numbers exponentially.

I, for one, am very concerned with what I see and hear, especially as I hear top leadership buying into this hype.

"There is a place for everyone in this Church." NO!!! There is not a place for UNREPENTANT sinners who want the Church body to accept their homosexual activity as righteous, holy, and divinely sanctioned by God. And THAT is EXACTLY what they are demanding.

I don't believe the Church will ever allow full gay marriage in the Temple. But, however, if a gay man changes his name, becomes a woman in appearance through surgery and hormone replacement, marries a man outside the Church, and they later both convert to the Church, we could see something similar to gay marriage happen in the Temple someday. Nothing surprises me anymore. I wonder what the Church's policy is regarding transgenders marrying in the Church?

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 12:41 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 2:33 pm

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:23 pm I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of a situation in the Church. Though they can be quite verbal and demonstrative with their PDA and seem to have captured all the media attention these days, LGBTQ individuals make up such a small percentage of adults in the world and an even smaller percentage of members in our Church. I would just let them be for now and not give them a second thought.

Actual LGBTQ may be a small percentage of church members, but their allies, including families, friends, church leaders, and generally liberal-leaning LDS, are growing in numbers exponentially.

I, for one, am very concerned with what I see and hear, especially as I hear top leadership buying into this hype.

"There is a place for everyone in this Church." NO!!! There is not a place for UNREPENTANT sinners who want the Church body to accept their homosexual activity as righteous, holy, and divinely sanctioned by God. And THAT is EXACTLY what they are demanding.

I don't believe the Church will ever allow full gay marriage in the Temple. But, however, if a gay man changes his name, becomes a woman in appearance through surgery and hormone replacement, marries a man outside the Church, and they later both convert to the Church, we could see something similar to gay marriage happen in the Temple someday. Nothing surprises me anymore. I wonder what the Church's policy is regarding transgenders marrying in the Church?

One anecdotal story shared on Mormons Building Bridges was of a young man and young woman who planned to be married in the temple. They had set a date and were moving forward. However, the young man was planning on becoming a woman as soon as possible after marrying, and was already cross-dressing, wearing makeup and so forth at times. Concerned people who discovered their plans (remember, they were active church members who were planning a temple wedding) advised the appropriate church leader, and after confirming the young man's plan to trangender to a woman after marrying in the temple, concealed their temple recommends. They told their story awhile back on MMB, and they were totally ticked off.

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:23 pm I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of a situation in the Church. Though they can be quite verbal and demonstrative with their PDA and seem to have captured all the media attention these days, LGBTQ individuals make up such a small percentage of adults in the world and an even smaller percentage of members in our Church. I would just let them be for now and not give them a second thought.

I do worry about their influence in the church. LGBT people are much more common in my own generation (I'm 23) than in previous generations. If I listed the 20 most important friends I had before turning 21 (including only male friends in my own generation) at least 3 of those 20 are now LGBT. And two of them were raised in the church.

When a child turns LGBT, usually the entire family is converted to the liberal cause and begins agitating, especially the parents. The internal agitation is going to be much more intense than the agitation over race in the 1960s amd '70s, because back then, no middle-aged TBM ever discovered that one of his or her kids was black.

thestock wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:59 pm I dont know what to tell you. If living in an evolving society is too scary for you, go buy property in Amish country.

Well you clearly support these kind of trends. So what is this society evolving into exactly? What's it progressing towards? What's the endgame with all this kind of stuff? Rhetorical questions, you don't have to answer but I'd welcome one.

Believing Joseph wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 1:22 pm

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:23 pm I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of a situation in the Church. Though they can be quite verbal and demonstrative with their PDA and seem to have captured all the media attention these days, LGBTQ individuals make up such a small percentage of adults in the world and an even smaller percentage of members in our Church. I would just let them be for now and not give them a second thought.

I do worry about their influence in the church. LGBT people are much more common in my own generation (I'm 23) than in previous generations. If I listed the 20 most important friends I had before turning 21 (including only male friends in my own generation) at least 3 of those 20 are now LGBT. And two of them were raised in the church.

When a child turns LGBT, usually the entire family is converted to the liberal cause and begins agitating, especially the parents. The internal agitation is going to be much more intense than the agitation over race in the 1960s amd '70s, because back then, no middle-aged TBM ever discovered that one of his or her kids was black.

I have seen this with my own eyes. I grew up in the same ward and went to the same high school with a very devout young man that always went to seminary, always read his scriptures, kind of nerdy. He serves a mission in The Phillipines, goes to BYU later the whole nine yards. Well a couple years after all that he comes out as gay. At first he tires to rationalize it and reconcile with his still strong LDS beliefs but he can't and so eventually he leaves the Church and renounces his faith completely. In Jospeh Smith, the BoM, everything. I think he might still believe in a higher power but that's about it, I don't even think he's got a Christian faith anymore.

This was surprising to me but not as surprising as when I found out his whole family eventually left the Church over it too. I guess the topic of marriage and homosexuality in Church lessions hit a nerve with them and eventually they became more and more belligerent towards the Church's stance and homosexuality that they left and joined some non-denominational Christian church.

This is a shame. Just one more college we won't be sending our children too. She really wanted to go to BYU

tdj wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 3:10 pm This is a shame. Just one more college we won't be sending our children too. She really wanted to go to BYU

Somewhere that pretends to be something that it is not is far more dangerous than somewhere where what you see is what you get.

Believing Joseph wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 1:22 pm

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:23 pm I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of a situation in the Church. Though they can be quite verbal and demonstrative with their PDA and seem to have captured all the media attention these days, LGBTQ individuals make up such a small percentage of adults in the world and an even smaller percentage of members in our Church. I would just let them be for now and not give them a second thought.

I do worry about their influence in the church. LGBT people are much more common in my own generation (I'm 23) than in previous generations. If I listed the 20 most important friends I had before turning 21 (including only male friends in my own generation) at least 3 of those 20 are now LGBT. And two of them were raised in the church.

When a child turns LGBT, usually the entire family is converted to the liberal cause and begins agitating, especially the parents. The internal agitation is going to be much more intense than the agitation over race in the 1960s amd '70s, because back then, no middle-aged TBM ever discovered that one of his or her kids was black.

I guess what I meant to say was that I don't worry too much about LGBT individuals and their families in the Church because there is nothing I can do about it. The Lord, through President Nelson and the General Authorities, are the ones calling the shots in this situation. I feel like I'm powerless. I'm struggling week to week just to keep myself active in the Church.

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 5:25 pm

Believing Joseph wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 1:22 pm

Matchmaker wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:23 pm I wouldn't worry too much about this kind of a situation in the Church. Though they can be quite verbal and demonstrative with their PDA and seem to have captured all the media attention these days, LGBTQ individuals make up such a small percentage of adults in the world and an even smaller percentage of members in our Church. I would just let them be for now and not give them a second thought.

I do worry about their influence in the church. LGBT people are much more common in my own generation (I'm 23) than in previous generations. If I listed the 20 most important friends I had before turning 21 (including only male friends in my own generation) at least 3 of those 20 are now LGBT. And two of them were raised in the church.

When a child turns LGBT, usually the entire family is converted to the liberal cause and begins agitating, especially the parents. The internal agitation is going to be much more intense than the agitation over race in the 1960s amd '70s, because back then, no middle-aged TBM ever discovered that one of his or her kids was black.

I guess what I meant to say was that I don't worry too much about LGBT individuals and their families in the Church because there is nothing I can do about it. The Lord, through President Nelson and the General Authorities, are the ones calling the shots in this situation. I feel like I'm powerless. I'm struggling week to week just to keep myself active in the Church.

At this point I wouldn't worry too much about it. God is hearing the prayers of the righteous saints.

This year is a hinge point. That much I know. Nelson is being prophetic. There is going to be a before and an after 2020.

Just get your own personal ducks in a row mentally, spiritually, physically. This year could get real interesting.

I've been very critical for a while over things in the Church. But recent things have shown me, for all the crap going on in the Church, God is at the helm. He is coming to clean His House. Be ready for it.

tdj wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 3:10 pm This is a shame. Just one more college we won't be sending our children too. She really wanted to go to BYU

I heard through the grapevine that both BYU and SVU have basically abandoned their honor codes.

I miss the good old days when the Church had a clear stance on homosexuality and just took the heat for it. Nowadays it’s not as clear what our stance actually is, but I have it on good authority we may soon receive further clarification.

tdj wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 3:10 pm This is a shame. Just one more college we won't be sending our children too. She really wanted to go to BYU

Because of 2 inappropriate girls that probably don’t even go to BYU?

The East Wind wrote: ↑February 16th, 2020, 7:43 pm

tdj wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 3:10 pm This is a shame. Just one more college we won't be sending our children too. She really wanted to go to BYU

Because of 2 inappropriate girls that probably don’t even go to BYU?

No, because of the softening towards sexual perversion by the church. It stands to reason, doesn't it, that BYU will follow suit of the church bigshots?

The Cultural War was lost decades ago.

[email protected] wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 2:24 pm

thestock wrote: ↑February 14th, 2020, 1:59 pm I dont know what to tell you. If living in an evolving society is too scary for you, go buy property in Amish country.

Well you clearly support these kind of trends. So what is this society evolving into exactly? What's it progressing towards? What's the endgame with all this kind of stuff? Rhetorical questions, you don't have to answer but I'd welcome one.

Happy to answer your question. Of course its just my opinion and I could be wrong, but what I see is that society is trending towards people living/breathing/doing whatever makes them happy. That includes people who want to follow the Mormon prophets and scriptures and people who dont. Obviously gays and minorities are getting more than their proportionate share of the limelight right now, and maybe that will continue indefinitely. I dont think so. What I do think is that these people will be free to live their intimate lives as they see fit, and they will not be discriminated against legally by corporations or others (and they shouldnt be anymore than you or I shouldnt be discriminated against for our very weird beliefs.)

My original statement was made a little tongue in cheek, but I do see a lot of people on here who use so much energy and mental capacity railing against the world and other peoples' rights to exist in it and pursue happiness as they see fit. If said people are so threatened by living in an evolving society, then Amish country isnt a bad idea. All progress and social norms freeze forever, and you can avoid the scariness that is living among other human beings that might disagree with you.