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Show me a scriptural example of a society that widely accepted homosexuality and evolved into anything but a smoldering ash heap.
Why do you get so worked up over how others choose to use their agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read more media and see more stuff centered around that lifestyle than you'd like.....but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 7:18 amShow me a scriptural example of a society that widely accepted homosexuality and evolved into anything but a smoldering ash heap.
Right now you can go to the Leonardo in down town Salt Lake City and view the remains of a society that widely accepted homosexuality.
thestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:05 amWhy do you get so worked up over how others choose to use their agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read more media and see more stuff centered around that lifestyle than you'd like.....but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 7:18 amShow me a scriptural example of a society that widely accepted homosexuality and evolved into anything but a smoldering ash heap.
Right now you can go to the Leonardo in down town Salt Lake City and view the remains of a society that widely accepted homosexuality.
thestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:05 amWhy do you get so worked up over how others choose to use their agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read more media and see more stuff centered around that lifestyle than you'd like.....but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 7:18 amShow me a scriptural example of a society that widely accepted homosexuality and evolved into anything but a smoldering ash heap.
Right now you can go to the Leonardo in down town Salt Lake City and view the remains of a society that widely accepted homosexuality.
Sounds like you have a very healthy outlook on lifemarkharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:11 amthestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:05 amWhy do you get so worked up over how others choose to use their agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read more media and see more stuff centered around that lifestyle than you'd like.....but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 7:18 amShow me a scriptural example of a society that widely accepted homosexuality and evolved into anything but a smoldering ash heap.
Right now you can go to the Leonardo in down town Salt Lake City and view the remains of a society that widely accepted homosexuality.
It does effect me actually. Lehi and his family had to leave their ancestral lands, and belongings behind and go into the wilderness because the rest of his peers in Jerusalem were "evolving"
Lot had to leave his ancestral lands and belongings and go live in a cave because his peers and neighbors were "evolving"
There were innocent children buried in the ash and ruins of Pompeii because the people of that city were "evolving"
I am going to be negatively impacted by the judgement god brings upon this nation and this church because of their choices.
The lord has never accepted it, and never will accept it. You are putting us on a path towards suffering and death.thestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:13 amSounds like you have a very healthy outlook on lifemarkharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:11 amthestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:05 amWhy do you get so worked up over how others choose to use their agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read more media and see more stuff centered around that lifestyle than you'd like.....but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 7:18 am
Show me a scriptural example of a society that widely accepted homosexuality and evolved into anything but a smoldering ash heap.
Right now you can go to the Leonardo in down town Salt Lake City and view the remains of a society that widely accepted homosexuality.
It does effect me actually. Lehi and his family had to leave their ancestral lands, and belongings behind and go into the wilderness because the rest of his peers in Jerusalem were "evolving"
Lot had to leave his ancestral lands and belongings and go live in a cave because his peers and neighbors were "evolving"
There were innocent children buried in the ash and ruins of Pompeii because the people of that city were "evolving"
I am going to be negatively impacted by the judgement god brings upon this nation and this church because of their choices.
I am? Okay.....markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:18 amThe lord has never accepted it, and never will accept it. You are putting us on a path towards suffering and death.thestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:13 amSounds like you have a very healthy outlook on lifemarkharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:11 amthestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:05 am
Why do you get so worked up over how others choose to use their agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read more media and see more stuff centered around that lifestyle than you'd like.....but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?
It does effect me actually. Lehi and his family had to leave their ancestral lands, and belongings behind and go into the wilderness because the rest of his peers in Jerusalem were "evolving"
Lot had to leave his ancestral lands and belongings and go live in a cave because his peers and neighbors were "evolving"
There were innocent children buried in the ash and ruins of Pompeii because the people of that city were "evolving"
I am going to be negatively impacted by the judgement god brings upon this nation and this church because of their choices.
If I didn't believe the gospel, the last thing I would do is spend my time on here debating us prudes. I would be out eating drinking and being merry. If you don't believe that God will bring us all under condemnation for embracing homosexuality and immorality what possible reason do you have for being here beyond trying to push an agenda?thestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:19 amI am? Okay.....markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:18 amThe lord has never accepted it, and never will accept it. You are putting us on a path towards suffering and death.thestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:13 amSounds like you have a very healthy outlook on lifemarkharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:11 am
It does effect me actually. Lehi and his family had to leave their ancestral lands, and belongings behind and go into the wilderness because the rest of his peers in Jerusalem were "evolving"
Lot had to leave his ancestral lands and belongings and go live in a cave because his peers and neighbors were "evolving"
There were innocent children buried in the ash and ruins of Pompeii because the people of that city were "evolving"
I am going to be negatively impacted by the judgement god brings upon this nation and this church because of their choices.
The wolves are getting bolder by the day!markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:36 amIf I didn't believe the gospel, the last thing I would do is spend my time on here debating us prudes. I would be out eating drinking and being merry. If you don't believe that God will bring us all under condemnation for embracing homosexuality and immorality what possible reason do you have for being here beyond trying to push an agenda?
Why are you getting so worked up over how Markharr is using his agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read a few posts and see more stuff centered around a belief system than you'd like.... but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?thestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:05 amWhy do you get so worked up over how others choose to use their agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read more media and see more stuff centered around that lifestyle than you'd like.....but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 7:18 amShow me a scriptural example of a society that widely accepted homosexuality and evolved into anything but a smoldering ash heap.
Right now you can go to the Leonardo in down town Salt Lake City and view the remains of a society that widely accepted homosexuality.
Oh so I say something you disagree with and you 1) presume to know what's in my heart and what my faith is or is not, 2) presume how I should be living my life if I dont agree with you, and 3) invite me to kindly leave the forum?markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:36 amIf I didn't believe the gospel, the last thing I would do is spend my time on here debating us prudes. I would be out eating drinking and being merry. If you don't believe that God will bring us all under condemnation for embracing homosexuality and immorality what possible reason do you have for being here beyond trying to push an agenda?
Oh yeah, well I'm rubber and you are glue etc etc. I can't believe you actually just quoted me. LOL mine was an honest question. I will answer yours: No, what Markharr believes or the way he does things has absolutely no impact on my life whatsoever outside of giving me the occasional chuckle when I get on here and read things he wrote or responded with.Serragon wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:47 amWhy are you getting so worked up over how Markharr is using his agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read a few posts and see more stuff centered around a belief system than you'd like.... but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?thestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:05 amWhy do you get so worked up over how others choose to use their agency? Does it really affect you? I get it, you have to read more media and see more stuff centered around that lifestyle than you'd like.....but does it really REALLY affect you in any way?markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 7:18 amShow me a scriptural example of a society that widely accepted homosexuality and evolved into anything but a smoldering ash heap.
Right now you can go to the Leonardo in down town Salt Lake City and view the remains of a society that widely accepted homosexuality.
1 is truethestock wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 12:38 pmOh so I say something you disagree with and you 1) presume to know what's in my heart and what my faith is or is not, 2) presume how I should be living my life if I dont agree with you, and 3) invite me to kindly leave the forum?markharr wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 10:36 amIf I didn't believe the gospel, the last thing I would do is spend my time on here debating us prudes. I would be out eating drinking and being merry. If you don't believe that God will bring us all under condemnation for embracing homosexuality and immorality what possible reason do you have for being here beyond trying to push an agenda?
No thanks. I can be here disagreeing with delusional people as long as I feel like it.
This means that it's no longer against Church policy either.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 3:11 pm The SL Trib has announced that they verified rumors that BYU has removed the section of the Honor Code that prohibited dating, hand-holding, and kissing by homosexuals (with each other).
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... 0-R0p2KyGM
MMB has screen shots from a student who claims that she personally went to the Honor Code office to verify that showing affection and dating was now permitted by two gay people. She said they told her that it's no longer against the rules.
You know nobody stood up and fought this when they had the chance. Those who did were shunned and made fun of.Sunain wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 3:36 pm If we allow sin amongst the people and allow it to be showcased, we are not condemning it as inappropriate or immoral behaviour.
I can't bring investigators or friends to church anymore because of all the recent changes to church policy because they'd call me a hypocrite for our stance on this and other issues that mainstream Christianity identifies as sinful behaviour.
Christ lead by example. If we allow the examples of homosexuals to be displayed on church grounds, we are not following Christs example.
Was that not what happened to almost all the prophets in the scriptures? They were shunned, stoned and ridiculed. At least those that did stand up will know they were doing what's right!
Interesting point.johnBob wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 3:13 pmThis means that it's no longer against Church policy either.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 3:11 pm The SL Trib has announced that they verified rumors that BYU has removed the section of the Honor Code that prohibited dating, hand-holding, and kissing by homosexuals (with each other).
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... 0-R0p2KyGM
MMB has screen shots from a student who claims that she personally went to the Honor Code office to verify that showing affection and dating was now permitted by two gay people. She said they told her that it's no longer against the rules.
The new handbook states "unchaste" homosexual behavior . . .which means some homosexual behavior is chaste-i.e. holding hands, dating, kissing.
Bye, bye Miss American Pie . . .
So I guess this means that as long as I don't have "unchaste" relationships with a woman who is not my wife I'm not doing anything wrong either.
As do the words "camel", "tent", and "fully under".Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 4:05 pmInteresting point.johnBob wrote: ↑February 19th, 2020, 3:13 pmThis means that it's no longer against Church policy either.
The new handbook states "unchaste" homosexual behavior . . .which means some homosexual behavior is chaste-i.e. holding hands, dating, kissing.
Bye, bye Miss American Pie . . .
So I guess this means that as long as I don't have "unchaste" relationships with a woman who is not my wife I'm not doing anything wrong either.
The words "can", "worms", and "open" come to readily mind.