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What is absolutely terrifying about the chart above is that, of the 242 new deaths, more than double the previous day's total, is that according to the Hubei government, 135 are from the new "clinically diagnosed" category. This means that for weeks China was likely assigning coronavirus deaths to pneumonia (as we warned it was doing on Jan 25 in "This Is How China Is Hiding The True Number Of Coronavirus Deaths"), which also means that the real number of Coronavirus deaths is likely in the thousands.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑February 12th, 2020, 7:28 pm Now, it is important to note that the huge increase in todays numbers are due to underreporting in the past several days.
China has been saying that if a person tested positive for coronavirus, but had no symptoms they were NOT a confirmed case.
After several days of reporting based on this standard, they have decided it is better to conform to the WHO standard, so today's numbers are very big - but again, it is important to understand that todays massive increase is due to all of the previous unconfirmed cases all being added to today's numbers.

I know there are already several threads on this. I felt like this was a big development that needed it's own thread.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china ... gold-soars

What is absolutely terrifying about the chart above is that, of the 242 new deaths, more than double the previous day's total, is that according to the Hubei government, 135 are from the new "clinically diagnosed" category. This means that for weeks China was likely assigning coronavirus deaths to pneumonia (as we warned it was doing on Jan 25 in "This Is How China Is Hiding The True Number Of Coronavirus Deaths"), which also means that the real number of Coronavirus deaths is likely in the thousands.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑February 12th, 2020, 7:28 pm Now, it is important to note that the huge increase in todays numbers are due to underreporting in the past several days.
China has been saying that if a person tested positive for coronavirus, but had no symptoms they were NOT a confirmed case.
After several days of reporting based on this standard, they have decided it is better to conform to the WHO standard, so today's numbers are very big - but again, it is important to understand that todays massive increase is due to all of the previous unconfirmed cases all being added to today's numbers.

I know there are already several threads on this. I felt like this was a big development that needed it's own thread.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china ... gold-soars

What is absolutely terrifying about the chart above is that, of the 242 new deaths, more than double the previous day's total, is that according to the Hubei government, 135 are from the new "clinically diagnosed" category. This means that for weeks China was likely assigning coronavirus deaths to pneumonia (as we warned it was doing on Jan 25 in "This Is How China Is Hiding The True Number Of Coronavirus Deaths"), which also means that the real number of Coronavirus deaths is likely in the thousands.

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 8:43 am

Original_Intent wrote: ↑February 12th, 2020, 7:28 pm Now, it is important to note that the huge increase in todays numbers are due to underreporting in the past several days.
China has been saying that if a person tested positive for coronavirus, but had no symptoms they were NOT a confirmed case.
After several days of reporting based on this standard, they have decided it is better to conform to the WHO standard, so today's numbers are very big - but again, it is important to understand that todays massive increase is due to all of the previous unconfirmed cases all being added to today's numbers.

I know there are already several threads on this. I felt like this was a big development that needed it's own thread.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china ... gold-soars

What is absolutely terrifying about the chart above is that, of the 242 new deaths, more than double the previous day's total, is that according to the Hubei government, 135 are from the new "clinically diagnosed" category. This means that for weeks China was likely assigning coronavirus deaths to pneumonia (as we warned it was doing on Jan 25 in "This Is How China Is Hiding The True Number Of Coronavirus Deaths"), which also means that the real number of Coronavirus deaths is likely in the thousands.

While reading today's news on this virus, it looks like the leaders of the organizations, like WHO, are ignoring that it this sudden jump in numbers is a result of a previous change that took place when certain areas in China stopped counting asymptomatic cases as cases, even if confirmed. That really happened right? China really did stop counting those, and then cases decreased, and then they started counting asymptomatic cases again, and then cases increased suddenly? Or am I missing something here?

Or did they completely drop asymptomatic and then start counting something completely different, which would be cases NOT tested but symptomatic, with milder symptoms not triggering need for a test (in the mind of the doctor)?

It's getting harder to follow.

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 8:43 am

Original_Intent wrote: ↑February 12th, 2020, 7:28 pm Now, it is important to note that the huge increase in todays numbers are due to underreporting in the past several days.
China has been saying that if a person tested positive for coronavirus, but had no symptoms they were NOT a confirmed case.
After several days of reporting based on this standard, they have decided it is better to conform to the WHO standard, so today's numbers are very big - but again, it is important to understand that todays massive increase is due to all of the previous unconfirmed cases all being added to today's numbers.

I know there are already several threads on this. I felt like this was a big development that needed it's own thread.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china ... gold-soars

What is absolutely terrifying about the chart above is that, of the 242 new deaths, more than double the previous day's total, is that according to the Hubei government, 135 are from the new "clinically diagnosed" category. This means that for weeks China was likely assigning coronavirus deaths to pneumonia (as we warned it was doing on Jan 25 in "This Is How China Is Hiding The True Number Of Coronavirus Deaths"), which also means that the real number of Coronavirus deaths is likely in the thousands.

While reading today's news on this virus, it looks like the leaders of the organizations, like WHO, are ignoring that it this sudden jump in numbers is a result of a previous change that took place when certain areas in China stopped counting asymptomatic cases as cases, even if confirmed. That really happened right? China really did stop counting those, and then cases decreased, and then they started counting asymptomatic cases again, and then cases increased suddenly? Or am I missing something here?

Or did they completely drop asymptomatic and then start counting something completely different, which would be cases NOT tested but symptomatic, with milder symptoms not triggering need for a test (in the mind of the doctor)?

It's getting harder to follow.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 9:52 am

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 8:43 am

Original_Intent wrote: ↑February 12th, 2020, 7:28 pm Now, it is important to note that the huge increase in todays numbers are due to underreporting in the past several days.
China has been saying that if a person tested positive for coronavirus, but had no symptoms they were NOT a confirmed case.
After several days of reporting based on this standard, they have decided it is better to conform to the WHO standard, so today's numbers are very big - but again, it is important to understand that todays massive increase is due to all of the previous unconfirmed cases all being added to today's numbers.

I know there are already several threads on this. I felt like this was a big development that needed it's own thread.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china ... gold-soars

What is absolutely terrifying about the chart above is that, of the 242 new deaths, more than double the previous day's total, is that according to the Hubei government, 135 are from the new "clinically diagnosed" category. This means that for weeks China was likely assigning coronavirus deaths to pneumonia (as we warned it was doing on Jan 25 in "This Is How China Is Hiding The True Number Of Coronavirus Deaths"), which also means that the real number of Coronavirus deaths is likely in the thousands.

While reading today's news on this virus, it looks like the leaders of the organizations, like WHO, are ignoring that it this sudden jump in numbers is a result of a previous change that took place when certain areas in China stopped counting asymptomatic cases as cases, even if confirmed. That really happened right? China really did stop counting those, and then cases decreased, and then they started counting asymptomatic cases again, and then cases increased suddenly? Or am I missing something here?

Or did they completely drop asymptomatic and then start counting something completely different, which would be cases NOT tested but symptomatic, with milder symptoms not triggering need for a test (in the mind of the doctor)?

It's getting harder to follow.

It was reported several days ago that China was no longer counting people who tested positive but had no symptoms. As of that day, new cases started to decline each day. Then after doing this for about 5 days, they did report the previous unreported new cases as new cases, which caused a one day massive spike in new cases. That is the information I have. I also agree with JohnBob that all numbers reported out of China are highly suspect - what I have been reading claims that China has been goalseeking their numbers, and possibly thousands of deaths were classified as pneumonia. THAT part is speculative, but likely. As far as the new cases spiking, todays numbers I would expect to be back around 5,000. That would also show that the 14,000 number was a one time anomaly that was caused by them changing the definition of "new confirmed case". So, it is getting confusing, I agree, but this is my considered opinion going forward:

If the numbers do drop to around 4 or 5K (as I expect) and the WHO uses that to say that China is manipulating their numbers - my read on that is that I believe China is actually being somewhat accurate and the WHO is using it to fear monger. I am sure there are statisticians at least as competent as me at the WHO, so I would see that as intentional deception and fear mongering on the WHO's part.

Regarding people being shot in the street, I haven't read or seen anything about that. I have read that the virus and how it is being handled is seen as a threat to President Xi's power, and I do believe world leaders in general see "normies" (i.e. us) as herd animals that they manage and try to keep productive and more or less under control. China is just more open about it due to their political structures.

I'm mostly trying to stay objective, and not be swayed by the fearmongering National Enquirer types and also not by the naysayers. In the past, I tend to be a naysayer as I know government and the media use fear as a manipulation tool. To me, this feels like more of a real threat that we at least should be closely monitoring.

Hope that helps clarify at least my opinion on it.

johnBob wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 10:10 am Viewer caution.
https://www.brighteon.com/7f4a859c-d44e ... 88dc41c72b

Whether they are STILL doing this is unknown-but it's probably why they won't let the CDC into the epicenter. They have to burn all the bodies and clean up the mess first.

There is another video (can't find it now) but was on a mainstream site, with a video clip with Chinese citizens "forced to kneel" for violating quarantine, with a bunch of cops around and them spraying mists all over the place. . .it looked more like an execution...

Thinker wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 10:41 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 10:10 am Viewer caution.
https://www.brighteon.com/7f4a859c-d44e ... 88dc41c72b

Whether they are STILL doing this is unknown-but it's probably why they won't let the CDC into the epicenter. They have to burn all the bodies and clean up the mess first.

There is another video (can't find it now) but was on a mainstream site, with a video clip with Chinese citizens "forced to kneel" for violating quarantine, with a bunch of cops around and them spraying mists all over the place. . .it looked more like an execution...

It does seem like Chinese authorities are treating humans like animals “that need to be put down.” I wonder what world Human Rights groups can do, considering the overpowering government.

The US CDC is in the process of gathering info, and surprisingly, this virus has been around a while...

“SARS-CoVSevere acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) was first recognized in China in November 2002. It caused a worldwide outbreak in 2002-2003 with 8,098 probable cases including 774 deaths. Since 2004, there have not been any known cases of SARS-CoV infection reported anywhere in the world...

MERS-CoVMiddle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (MERS-CoV) was first reported in Saudi Arabia in 2012. It has since caused illness in people from dozens of other countries. All cases to date have been linked to countries in or near the Arabian Peninsula. CDC continues to closely monitor MERS globally and work with partners to better understand the risks of this virus, including the source, how it spreads, and how infections might be prevented.

On February 11, 2020 the World Health Organization announced an official name for the disease that is causing the 2019 novel coronavirus outbreak, COVID-19. CDC will be updating our website and other CDC materials to reflect the updated name.“
https://www.cdc.gov/sars/index.html

Let’s pray for the Chinese - and to be inspired as how best to respond to this.

johnBob wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 10:10 am
The spanish flu had 3 waves, with the middle wave being the worst.

johnBob wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 10:47 am

Thinker wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 10:41 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 10:10 am Viewer caution.
https://www.brighteon.com/7f4a859c-d44e ... 88dc41c72b

Whether they are STILL doing this is unknown-but it's probably why they won't let the CDC into the epicenter. They have to burn all the bodies and clean up the mess first.

There is another video (can't find it now) but was on a mainstream site, with a video clip with Chinese citizens "forced to kneel" for violating quarantine, with a bunch of cops around and them spraying mists all over the place. . .it looked more like an execution...

It does seem like Chinese authorities are treating humans like animals “that need to be put down.” I wonder what world Human Rights groups can do, considering the overpowering government.

The US CDC is in the process of gathering info, and surprisingly, this virus has been around a while...

“SARS-CoVSevere acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) was first recognized in China in November 2002. It caused a worldwide outbreak in 2002-2003 with 8,098 probable cases including 774 deaths. Since 2004, there have not been any known cases of SARS-CoV infection reported anywhere in the world...

MERS-CoVMiddle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (MERS-CoV) was first reported in Saudi Arabia in 2012. It has since caused illness in people from dozens of other countries. All cases to date have been linked to countries in or near the Arabian Peninsula. CDC continues to closely monitor MERS globally and work with partners to better understand the risks of this virus, including the source, how it spreads, and how infections might be prevented.

On February 11, 2020 the World Health Organization announced an official name for the disease that is causing the 2019 novel coronavirus outbreak, COVID-19. CDC will be updating our website and other CDC materials to reflect the updated name.“
https://www.cdc.gov/sars/index.html

Let’s pray for the Chinese - and to be inspired as how best to respond to this.

It's a different strain of the coronovirus. This is NOT MERS and it is NOT SARS. When you look at the infection rate and death rate it is different.

It's a similar family-but definitely not the same thing. It's more infectious . . .and as for death . . .well we aren't quite sure yet.

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 11:30 am

johnBob wrote: ↑February 13th, 2020, 10:10 am
The spanish flu had 3 waves, with the middle wave being the worst.

In case anybody wants to learn more about the 3 waves thing:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... -waves.htm

Also note that I've been hearing that this virus, unlike flu, doesn't prompt immunity, meaning that right after you heal you could potentially contract it again. I guess we'll find out later if that ends up being accurate. If accurate, I wonder how that will affect numbers. I hope they'll consider repeat "customers" a new confirmed case, or at least have carefully compartmentalized numbers. This tool has been compartmentalizing more and more...tool updates aren't coming as fast as I'd like, but they're making progress. Notice the tabs and such. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

As we pointed out at the time, while China "can now claim it wants to be more transparent (which is odd for a nation that is still refusing to admit the US CDC on the ground) and wants a more comprehensive definition of "infection" because it is suddenly so concerned about all those people it ordered to go back to work on Monday, it somehow also changed the definition of "death", because at the same time as the explosion in new cases, which clearly indicates that the pandemic is now clearly out of control, the number of reported deaths in Hubei alone spiked by 242 to 1,310."