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Important: Breaks John Pratt's timeline wide open

For those of you that are interested in John Pratt's Jewish calendar this is an amazing video. This pastor isn't LDS and he does believe in the rapture but his calendar is amazing. There is a lot of meat in this video. It could break open our own timeline theory. It really is worth to watch the whole thing. For starters he does see September 28 beginning of October the beginning of everything. I promise that you will think it was well worth you while. You will agree with 95% of what he says or at least think it is a possibility!



http://www.harvestreno.org/messageVideo ... ity=medium

I'd say less than 95%, but he is on to something interesting with his calculations. To me, it's a confirmation of GBH 'prophecy' of 7 years of lean. This guy's calculations fit perfectly with GBH's prophecy. That guy doesn't know what it all means, but our prophet gave us a valuable clue.

That was fantastic. It is one more witness for the timeline I have been contemplating. It does fit with the 7 years of tribulation starting in October 2008 per GBH. The GAS prophecy fits as well...if a war starts toward the end of his presidency. Interesting how he pulls in the current events of the peace document between the Palestinians and the Israelies. The 10 kingdoms is also fascinating...we seem to progressing in that direction as well....with NAFTA, CAFTA, etc. Interesting individual, very informed and studied, and the timelines he mentions coincide nicely. I recommend viewing the sermon. One question I have is "could JC come in 2015 to rescue the Israelies and then later in Glory? Say 10-15 years later? I just think the destruction comes first in the next 7 years and then rebuilding sometime after that.

Good try, kudos for the attempt! But he's off! Amazing how bad people fail in their speculation without modern day revelation. Do the math on D&C 20:1 with 3 Nephi 8:5 and go from there!

Bob

Happy New Year - 5769! -A New Sabbatical Cycle Begins on September 29! - by J. R. Church - http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/art...Article_ID=231

Many are wondering what the next seven years (2008-2015) will hold. Are we looking at Daniel's seventieth week? Will the Tribulation Period be unleashed upon the world? Israel has expressed concern over Iran's nuclear program, saying that if something isn't done about it, Iran will be able to field a nuclear weapon by January 2009.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was outraged over the United States sending a top level negotiator to meet with Iranian representatives after President Bush assured him that we would not do that.

Olmert is resigning as Israel's prime minister, effective as of the middle of September. A primary election should determine who his successor will be. But Olmert's replacement will have to face a general election against the Likud party's Benjamin Netanyahu.

The Hizbollah have secured two of Lebanon's highest peaks, Mount Sannine and Mount Barukh. They have amassed 40,000 missiles from Syria and Iran that can reach as far south as Beersheba. Israel is now in a desperate situation.

However, a large U. S. armada is moving into the Persian Gulf and another warship is sitting in Haifa harbor -- one of the class of ships that recently shot down a failing satellite. This ship is there for the purpose of shooting down any nuclear missiles that might be launched against Israel.

Israel's recent involvement in Georgia's war with Russia could have dire consequences for the tiny nation, possibly leading to the battle of Gog and Magog.

We Look to Daniel For Clues

Gabriel gave Daniel some important clues as to end-time events and the background of the Antichrist. He said that Jerusalem would be destroyed by "the people of the prince that shall come" (Dan. 9:26). Since we know that the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and Herod's Temple in A.D. 70, we may assume that the future Antichrist will be from one of the royal families of the ancient Roman Empire. That could be a reference to European royalty or, for that matter, anyone with family ties to the royal bloodline of the ancient Roman Empire.

In Daniel 7, the little horn rises out of the fourth beast -- the Roman Empire. In Daniel 8, the little horn rises out of the he-goat -- the Greek Empire. In Daniel 9, Gabriel returned to the subject of the Roman Empire as the source of the "prince that shall come." And in Daniel 11:20,21, we are told that the "vile person" will stand up in the estate of the Greek overlords. How can the future Antichrist be both Roman and Greek? In the case of the "vile person," we look to the Greek ancestry of the Seleucid dynasty, then ruling a vast territory. I believe Antiochus IV Epiphanes was a prototype of the future Antichrist. He sacrificed a sow on the Temple altar and erected a statue of Jupiter. Some early scholars are satisfied that he was the "little horn" to whom Daniel pointed, but Jesus explained that another was yet to come.

Gabriel did not end the prophecy there. The gap between the sixty-ninth and the seventieth weeks began with the appearance of the Messiah, but will conclude with three signs: a flood, desolations, and war (Dan. 9:26). The world is still awaiting these signs. We do not know how or when these events will occur, but we can be certain that they will happen during the seventieth week. We cannot be dogmatic about these events, but it seems that the seventieth week could begin in the aftermath of some great war. The next verse explains that the Roman Prince will "confirm" or strengthen a "covenant with many."

The Seventieth Week

Daniel was told that a seven-year Sabbatical cycle (called in Hebrew a Shavuah) would be launched during the time of a flood, desolations and war:

"And the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" (Daniel 9:26,27).

Most scholars agree that this seventieth week is the notorious Tribulation Period. The Roman Prince will pretend to be a peacemaker. He will launch an effort to restore peace -- but where?

I think the "covenant" that will be "confirmed" (possibly through military strength) will specifically concern the city of Jerusalem and its territory -- the Holy Land. Let us not forget that the prophecy of the seventy weeks is all about the desolations of Jerusalem. That is what Daniel was praying about. And that was the subject addressed by Gabriel in this prophecy.

The future Antichrist will confirm or strengthen an existing covenant, setting the time-frame for its full deployment at seven years. In order to fall within the framework of the seventieth week, it must begin in the first year of a Sabbatical cycle and conclude in a Sabbatical Year, seven years later.

The Antichrist might seek to "divide the baby," so to speak -- following the story of Solomon's display of great wisdom. It is possible that Jerusalem could remain a divided city, but this time, Israel would be allowed to erect a sanctuary on the Temple Mount. According to Ezekiel, a wall will be built to make a separation between the Jewish sanctuary and a "profane place" (Ezk. 42:20). In Revelation 11, John was told to measure the area of Jewish worship, but to leave the Gentile area alone.

It is possible that current negotiations over the destiny of Jerusalem will result in a divided city and a divided Temple Mount. Since the Moslems have already developed the southern half of the Temple Mount, with three mosques in the area, perhaps Israel will be given the northern half of the compound for the restoration of Temple liturgy. Some kind of Jewish presence has to be there, because Gabriel links the abomination of desolation to the Antichrist stopping "the sacrifice." This will occur in the middle of the Tribulation Period.

In June of this year, The Temple Institute began the mass production of the garments of the priesthood, following the biblical descriptions given about the material, the weaving, etc. With plans for restoring Temple liturgy in full gear, we are caused to wonder if the coming seven-year cycle might be the one prophesied in Daniel's ancient writings.

The Desolation

The term "desolation," as used in "abomination of desolation," is a direct reference to the Mosaic Law of the Sabbatical Years. Moses wrote:

"And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.

"And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

"Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.

"As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it" (Lev. 26:32-35).

The Antichrist will fulfill this prophecy of desolation when he commits the abomination of desolation. Evidently, the Babylonian captivity did not end the "desolations" of the land. It has continued down through the centuries -- until the return of the Jews in the last century. Yet, even though the land now has trees and crops, the Temple Mount remains desolate of a Jewish sanctuary. Why has Israel continued to suffer over the past two millennia? Wasn't their Babylonian captivity enough? Moses tells us:

"And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins" (Lev. 26:1.

It seems that Gabriel was addressing this very subject when he spoke about a future "seventy weeks." Going one step further, God may have multiplied those 490 years by seven! If so, the prophecy could be a reference to 490 Sabbatical cycles, or 70 Jubilees -- 3,430 years.

Counting from Joshua's first Sabbatical cycle beginning in 1437/36 B.C., there have been 490 Sabbatical cycles (3,430 years) -- leading up to the signing of the Israeli/Palestinian Peace Accord on September 13, 1993 -- just a few days before Israel's 490th Sabbatical Year in 1993/94, which was followed by what should have been their 70th Jubilee in 1994/95.

Did a Jewish messiah arrive on the scene that year? If so, why has it been such a long interim with no prospects for peace? Moreover, no clear information has emerged to unveil the Antichrist. While Israel awaits their messiah, Gabriel foretold that the Antichrist will come and present himself as deity. Perhaps this "prince" will try to revive the failed Peace Accord, divide the city, establish a Palestinian State, and deploy a multinational military garrison to keep the peace.

If the coming seven-year cycle is the fulfillment of Daniel's seventieth week, then we should soon witness the events leading up to the Battle of Gog and Magog. Perhaps Israel's involvement in Georgia's war against Russia will lead to a military response against Israel.

Some notes from Steve Hadley lecture:

It is significant that Israel may have sign a peace deal last September. Maybe September 28, 2008. This deal will divide Jerusalem with is prophesied in Bible.

He told a story about when John came to visit a church. The people were very excited because it was John, the apostle who was with Jesus. Then John says love one another.

Do you ever feel that way in General Conference? You expect this big insight or announcement and the General Authorities say love one another? I thought it was interesting that things don't change. That they gospel is found in simple truths.

Hadley has a friend that did research on Blood Moons. He found out that they are not common.




Spring
_________________Passover
_________________Unleavened Bread
_________________First Fruit

__________________Pentecost


Fall

__________________Trumpets
__________________Atonement
__________________Tabernacles

When the Bible tells you a date you need to listen. The Flood was on 17 Nisan! Jesus comes out of his tomb on 17 Nisan.

Gen 1:17 10 Tissary is when Issac was born.

Signs and seasons are something important is coming . Gathering for something important.

Blood Moon

talked about in Mathew 24 and Joel 2

2014 April 15 Passover Blood Moon
2014 October 8 Tabernacles Blood Moon
2015 March 20 Nisan 1 eclipse
2015 April 4 Passover Blood Moon
2015 Sept. 13 Trumpets eclipse
2015 Sept. 23 Day of Atonement (significant date?) Return of Savior?
2015 Sept. 28 Tabernacles Blood Moon

This many Blood Moons in one year only occur once in this century! The other Blood Moons occurred in the twentieth when Israel became a nation and six day war.

2012 2013-2014 2015 (Sept 23?)
Elui-Nisamzo Tishri Elui Tishri 10th -1st

158 days 385 days___________ days______
3 2 1

10 days
354 "
385 "
353 "
158 "
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1260 days

Book of Daniel , 3 ½ years mentioned, two witnesses will witness. ( Two apostles may have already been called?!)

April 12, 2012 Third Temple may be built!

When the two prophets are killed it will be the festival of giving gifts mention in Ester 9 on 14, 15 and 16 of Adar.

70th Week

2008 2010-2011 2012 2013-2014 2015
Sept 30? Tishrie Elui Elui Nissan20 Tishri Elui Sept 23?
Tishri-Elui Tishria
354 days 385 days 158 days 385 days 10-1st or 10days
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354 days 10 days
355 354
385 359
165 158
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1260 days 1260 days


Look at 2012

March Thursday 8 April Friday 6
March Monday 12 April Thursday 12

30 days between
1260 each way to Rosh (sp) either way

September 23, 2015 49th week of Jerusalem. Also Day of Atonement! Anti-Christ could try something? What if this means something?

My notes are kind of sparse. But I wanted to get the dates in. I really encourage all of you to listen to his lecture as he explains it better then my notes.





From October 20th this year [the last day of Tabernacles] until Rosh HaShanah, September 14, 2015 is exactly 2,520 days; the exact length of the Tribulation.



From October 20th this year until May 28th next year is exactly 220 days, bringing those left behind to the eve of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was poured out on the Lord’s church at Pentecost. It is not hard for me to believe that the Holy Spirit will then be poured out on Israel again next Pentecost, the same day the Jews dedicate the rebuilt Temple to the Lord, which appears to fulfill the prophecy of Joel 2:28-32. Glory!



From October 20th this year until April 2, 2012 is 1,260 days, bringing those left behind to the exact middle of the Tribulation. That day is also Abib [Nisan] 10, the exact day the Lord told Israel to select their Passover lamb, and the exact day the Lord rode the donkey into Jerusalem and was proclaimed as “King” by His disciples. As Renee pointed out in her post, it will probably be the day the Antichrist presents himself to Israel as their messiah and king.



The Tribulation will then end on Rosh HaShanah, September 14, 2015 with the coming of the Lord to rescue and redeem the Jewish remnant.

He will first go to the Jewish remnant in Petra, identifying Himself to them and then leading them back to Jerusalem, Ezekiel 20:33-38; Micah 2:12-13. As He comes into Jerusalem from the East, He will have to come over the top of the Mount of Olives. There He will rescue and save the Jewish remnant fighting for their lives in Jerusalem, fulfilling the prophecy of Zechariah 14.

Having identified Himself to the Jewish remnant as the Lord Jesus Christ, whom the Jews rejected and crucified 2,000 years ago, there will then be a 30 day period [the 1,290 days…..30 days beyond the end of the Trib] of great mourning among the Jews, fulfilling the 30 day period of mourning for the High Priest and fulfilling the prophecy of Zechariah 12:10-14, Amos 8:10, and Daniel 12:11. But then after that 30 day period of mourning, the Lord will turn their “mourning into joy,” just as He promised in Jeremiah 31:10-14.

Following that 30 day period of mourning, there will be an additional 45 days beyond the 30 days [the 1,335 days] during which the land of Israel will be redivided among the 12 tribes of Israel, exactly as recorded in Ezekiel 48, thus fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel 12:12. By the way, “45” is the Bible number for “Inheritance.” Praise the Lord!



Brother, all of these time periods now fit together in perfect harmony. The absolute proof of it will come on October 20th, when the rapture of God’s people occurs and the Tribulation begins on the earth. We are going “home.”

Until then watch and pray, witness and warn, and seek to win the lost to Christ, just like our Lord told us to do. Praise the Lord! God bless you brother. Pray for me. I’ll meet you in glory on [or before ?] October 20th.


That has happened not three but at least five times concerning the year 2015! I know of five independent, respectable sources that say 2015 may see the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Draw your own conclusions about possible intervening events between tomorrow and then.



1. The year 2015 is the year of rare lunar and solar eclipses, with "blood red moons" and the "sun turning to darkness" that fall on Jewish feast days described by Pastor Mark Biltz. He discovered these future eclipses on the NASA Web site, and he believes these eclipses are related to the signs of the Second Coming in Joel 3 and Matthew 24. See http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/art...Article_ID=223

2. Prophecy scholar Perry Stone points to the year 2015 in his magazine article "Could 2009-2015 Be the Third Trimester of the Second Coming Birth Pangs?" The full article is available at http://www.voe.org/files/3004_feature_article.pdf

Perry mentions Pastor Biltz's discoveries, and also says that in 2012, for the first time in 26,000 years, the sun will be aligned with the center of our Milky Way galaxy, creating effects on the earth.


3. The year 2015 is pointed to by David Flynn, author of the popular book, Temple at the Center of Time. From my understanding of his work, he believes that 2012 will be the middle of the final seven-year Tribulation. He comes to this conclusion from observing astronomical patterns and comparing them with the book of Revelation. For two absolutely fascinating one-hour interviews with David Flynn, go to

http://stevequayle.com/qf_august_19_2008_hour_1.mp3 and

http://stevequayle.com/qf_august_19_2008_hour_2.mp3

bobhenstra wrote:Good try, kudos for the attempt! But he's off! Amazing how bad people fail in their speculation without modern day revelation. Do the math on D&C 20:1 with 3 Nephi 8:5 and go from there!

Bob

That section is primarily a legal doc for establishing the Church as an official entity, so it uses conventional dating. I believe McConkie stated the same thing, that it shouldn't be taken to literally mean it had been 1830 years since Christ's birth, just that it was the year 1830 by our calendar. I've heard calculations anywhere from 4 BC to 1 BC for his birth, so this guy has just as much a chance to be right as anyone.

"attempt 3 to post to this topic"

Mullenite, I always thought that the 70 weeks of Daniel were predicting; the rebuilding of Jerusalem, the Saviors’ ministry, death, and the desolation that occurred in 70 A.D. Can it be that it is referring to both the First and Second Coming?

OMD

Oldemandalton wrote:Mullenite, I always thought that the 70 weeks of Daniel were predicting; the rebuilding of Jerusalem, the Saviors’ ministry, death, and the desolation that occurred in 70 A.D. Can it be that it is referring to both the First and Second Coming?

OMD

I would say yes...and no. Isaiah used a dualism using key words to tie certain verses that paints the most complete picture for an end time scenario and tends to put all side comments, commentaries, and writings from every prophet, both modern and past, into complete context. With an understanding of what Isaiah created, Daniel's writings are very clear with the apparent dualistic themes of past events meshing with a modern day scenario. Trying to determine specific time lines are generally futile but when you see certain events you certainly can feel the closeness of that great and glorious day. It is no wonder that it is a commandment, not a mere suggestion, to study and ponder the words of Isaiah. It is difficult to try and set specific dates as the events as whole tend to be fluid.

I think that Daniel was speaking of his future but our past. IMO

Old Man

bobhenstra,
I would appreciate some fleshing out of your timeline!

haddomr

starting in October 2008 per GBH

Where are you getting this from? I am very familiar with his talks you are referencing and he does not say this. You may be interpreting it the way you want to, but please do not infer that GBH said this. I think most on this site are aware of his prophecies you speak of and will join me in this.
He gave his first talk concerning the pharaohs dream on October Priesthood Session 1998 and then mentioned it again seven years later on October Priesthood Session in 2005, exactly seven years later. No where does he say October 2008 is of any importance, and nowhere does he give dates of any kind.

I mind be misinterpreting what you were trying to say, but by the way it is written it appears you are saying GBH said October 2008 is important in some respect.

If we were to play a numbers game with his prophecy, it would be 1998-2005 financial prosperity, 2005-2012 financial collapse, earthquakes, famines, water heaving themselves beyond there bounds etc. And if we wanted to guess further, 2012 would be followed by the establishment of Zion in Missouri, the 144000 called at Adam Ondi Ahman where Christ appears and the official reigning in of the millennium begins. The 144000 go throughout the world to teach one last time and then it would be about 21 years later before Christ appears in Jerusalem on the Mount of Olives.

I do not attribute any of this to what GBH said as far as the time line goes. Because he did not tell us when the time line started. In fact it is a wild guess!

Where are you getting this from? I am very familiar with his talks you are referencing and he does not say this. You may be interpreting it the way you want to, but please do not infer that GBH said this. I think most on this site are aware of his prophecies you speak of and will join me in this.
He gave his first talk concerning the pharaohs dream on October Priesthood Session 1998 and then mentioned it again seven years later on October Priesthood Session in 2005, exactly seven years later. No where does he say October 2008 is of any importance, and nowhere does he give dates of any kind.

I mind (sic) be misinterpreting what you were trying to say, but by the way it is written it appears you are saying GBH said October 2008 is important in some respect.

Actually you are right. I am skipping steps in my logic. I am a lazy communicator sometimes. GBH in Oct 1998 started his GC talk with the dream of Joseph, later in that talk GBH said that he wasn't predicting or prophesying of years of famine in the future. In Oct 2001 he mentioned the dream again in his talk "The Times In Which We Live", he didn't mention that he wasn't prophesying at that time. He mentioned the dream again in 2005. If you start the clock in 2001 and apply understanding of the scriptures (Daniel 12) that says 3.5 years of tribulation followed by 3.5 years of greater tribulation, then you conclude that 2008 could be the start of the 7 lean years in the dream. I was told by a regional representative that you need to look deeper and see more. I think that as we study the scriptures and listen to the prophets, we should look deeper and see more. I think this forum is full of people that do that. I believe that this forum is about the free exchange of ideas. People of a similar understanding will understand the ideas I refer to with my shorthand. I apologize to you if you didn't understand my thinking. Others probably did understand me in proper context. There are many ideas out there and for me they float around in my mind before I decide I believe something. Many pieces need to fit or I need to feel the Spirit, before I get solid on something. I am wondering if the clock started in 1998 also and the 7 years gets us to 2005 for the good 7 years and 2012 for the end of the times of the gentiles. Just my thoughts.

No Greater Love

If we were to play a numbers game with his prophecy, it would be 1998-2005 financial prosperity, 2005-2012 financial collapse, earthquakes, famines, water heaving themselves beyond there bounds etc. And if we wanted to guess further, 2012 would be followed by the establishment of Zion in Missouri, the 144000 called at Adam Ondi Ahman where Christ appears and the official reigning in of the millennium begins. The 144000 go throughout the world to teach one last time and then it would be about 21 years later before Christ appears in Jerusalem on the Mount of Olives.

I do not attribute any of this to what GBH said as far as the time line goes. Because he did not tell us when the time line started. In fact it is a wild guess!

You have a pretty specific wild guess!

Thanks for adding some clarification to what you posted. Makes more sense now. As far as what you ended with in your last post, I have had the same thoughts. Obviously, I could be wrong though. It does seem to fit the pattern of things when we place together the political happenings brought about by our new president, his philosophies on the European missiles, coupled with the change in our economy and the fact that family unity is being taught with strength by the GAs. I think that all too many believe 2012 is when Christ comes to Jerusalem and that will be the downfall of them. He will delay his coming (or at least that is what the world thinks) then he comes at midnight, when they are asleep. 2012 may be the beginning of the Millennium though.

I'm still a little perplexed by the GBH statements being used for a timeline. He issued a disclaimer in every single instance mentioned above.

1998 "I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future."

2001 "I do not believe the time is here when an all-consuming calamity will overtake us."

2005 "Now what I have said should not occasion a run on the grocery store or anything of that kind. I am saying nothing that has not been said for a very long time."

I think he's trying not to freak people out, personally.

Concerning the date of Christ's birth, one of the earliest known references to December 25 was in the third century A.D. (Hippolytus, Commentarii in Danielem, 4.23.3). Scholarly consensus recognizes that early Christians probably appropriated December 25 from pagan festivals such as the Dies Natalis Invicti, established by the Emperor Aurelian (cf. Hoehner, pp. 11-27). Controversy, ancient and modern, regarding that date has had little influence in the LDS community (see Christmas). Presidents of the Church, including Harold B. Lee (p. 2) and Spencer W. Kimball (p. 54), have reaffirmed that April 6 is the true anniversary of Christ's birth, but have encouraged Church members to join with other Christians in observing Christmas as a special day for remembering Jesus' birth and teachings.
(Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 1-4 vols., edited by Daniel H. Ludlow (New York: Macmillan, 1992), 61.)

IMHO, The Lord speaking himself or through his prophets cannot lie! Several more than the two or three required prophetic witnesses have declared April sixth the birthday of the Lord, and the same scripture declares how many years since.

When a prophets makes a statement without scriptural proof, then and only then can we afford to dismiss the statement, at our own peril, “as his opinion!”

Our modern day calendar shoved back in time is wholly consistent with D&C 20:1 which equals April sixth 1 BC.

So called problems with this date holds no water with me. It’s the scripture and the witnesses that toot my horn. The supposed problems will work themselves out with those who search with the Spirit, not with supposed scholars who search without the Spirit. It’s very easy to determine who’s who--

True searchers start with the scripture and go from that point looking for prophetic witnesses that confirm the scripture.

Scholars, Ev’s such as the one discussed above “deny” our modern prophetic witnesses, so why should I place any faith in what they say?

However, please do not misunderstand me, I also enjoy the study of speculative events, like Dec 21st 2012, Daniel’s 3 ½ years. 3 ½ years before Dec 21st 2012 falls on or about July 21st 2009, according to our calendar. Did the revelation use our calendar, or it's correct equivelent? Is the date 21 July 2009 exact, or is 10 July 2009 (1260 days before Dec. 21, 2012) more correct? Or might it be 1260 days later then Dec 21st 2012, which would be Friday June 3rd 2016? Does the fact that the next solar maximum occurs in 2012 have any meaning? I don't know-- yet, but it's all very interesting!

I humbly suggest that we follow the prophets, not speculation. This stuff might be interesting, but factual? Follow the witnesses, then the Spirit!

Bob

Thanks Bob
The beautiful thing about Christ's return is that no man knows the day nor the hour, not even the angels in heaven. But it is given to the righteous to know the signs of the times for they were given to us that we may recognize the season of His coming.
The year 2012 intrigues me too, but I have learned that placing a date on happenings that are prophesied is fruitless. I tend to look at the seasons, which are easier to recognize and then I can predict the next season which will follow.
For example. We are in a season of persecution for the Saints. During this season, tithing will become a requirement for church membership. Many will fall away from Christ due to this persecution and the tithing requirement. This will lead into the law of consecration, which will lead us to Zion. This season encompasses many other things that we could add here if we wanted to.
However, the next season is the establishment of Zion with a people of pure heart. The meeting at Adam-ondi-amen, the temple erected in Jackson County, the 144000 teaching Israel, the 1/2 hour of silence.
The next season, the advent of Christ into Jerusalem and so on.
So I feel more comfortable predicting seasons rather than a date.

NoGreaterLove wrote:The year 2012 intrigues me too, but I have learned that placing a date on happenings that are prophesied is fruitless.

I always wonder if these 'magical' or 'prophetic' dates that get so much air time on the pbs and the history channel are snares designed to get Christians to commit so that when the dates pass without advent scoffers are encouraged to ramp up the persecution and those of little faith fall away.

False priests and prophets spouting dates just provide the secular world with an excuse to ask "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." (2 Peter 3:4)

MercynGrace

False priests and prophets spouting dates just provide the secular world with an excuse to ask "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." (2 Peter 3:4)

I believe that many Christians expect the Rapture and they will also ask "Where is the promise of His coming?" It is very dangerous to speculate on specific dates for things to happen. How many doomsday cults have predicted a specific date for the Second Coming, only to be shown to be foolish? Everyone is expecting something big in 2012 and it may be that there will be some celestial event that people will assume is the Second Coming. The Anti-Christ may use this to announce that he is the Messiah. We need to know all of the scriptures so that we aren't deceived. Surely Satan also knows that signs are coming in the heavens and he will try to use these to his advantage.

Braingrunt, Sorry, I forgot your request.

Using this great little program, “Lunar Calendar and Eclipse Finder” with D&C20:1 and 3rd Nephi 8:5.

Our calendar is 365.2422 days long. However, the Nephite calendar (used by Nephi, recounted by Mormon) was 365 days long.

33 Nephite years (365 day calendar) and three days were completed.

33 X 365 +3 =12048. 12048 days takes to Friday April 1st 33 AD which was a Passover week.


( The program above uses the “Current Era” format “CE” instead of AD or BCE [before current era] ) Therefore while there is no year Zero in our calendar, there “is” a year zero in the programs format.

Thus the year 6 April 1 BC (our calendar) would read and be entered as “0-04-06 CE” Year-month-day
1 April 33 AD (our calendar) would read and be entered as “33-04-01 CE” Year-month-day

Using the Julian Day Date feature included with the program above.

1733204.5 33-04-01 CE
1721156.5 0-04-06 CE
= 12048.0 days, or 32.9863 years according to our calendar.

Bob

kathyn wrote:MercynGrace

False priests and prophets spouting dates just provide the secular world with an excuse to ask "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." (2 Peter 3:4)

I believe that many Christians expect the Rapture and they will also ask "Where is the promise of His coming?" It is very dangerous to speculate on specific dates for things to happen. How many doomsday cults have predicted a specific date for the Second Coming, only to be shown to be foolish? Everyone is expecting something big in 2012 and it may be that there will be some celestial event that people will assume is the Second Coming. The Anti-Christ may use this to announce that he is the Messiah. We need to know all of the scriptures so that we aren't deceived. Surely Satan also knows that signs are coming in the heavens and he will try to use these to his advantage.

It's definite possibility

A couple of decades ago I was consumed with eschatology and I came up with a date from all the calculations I made using every scripture I could possibly find. That was in my pre-Microsoft, borrow-my-roommate's computer days, so the unreadable 5 1/4 floppy disk upon which all that material is stored was thrown out after use as a coaster led to its ultimate demise. My memory is vague but I believe I put the second coming at 2012 or 2014. Too bad I can't remember why or how I came up with those numbers. LOL!

So there it is... a word from your very own false (or at least faulty) prophet