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Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 5:00 pm

My logic is that I do think there may be sufficient evidence to prove that what Trump did was wrong, despite the wrongdoing of the Bidens,

largerthanlife wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 6:48 pm Biden admits to interfering in Ukraine government.

I said, “Nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars.” They said, “You have no authority. You’re not the president.” The president said—I said, “Call him.” I said, “I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars.” I said, “You’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours.” I looked at them and said, “I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.” Well, son of a biscuit. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

Phantom wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:11 am Trumpers: did he or did he not ask Ukraine to investigate Biden?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... e-on-biden

Simple question.

justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.

Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 7th, 2020, 10:35 am

justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.

Mitt and his integrity and his backbone, that's funny.

I encourage everyone to watch this video, especially the short interview at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81WiKXjfruw

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:34 pm

largerthanlife wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 6:48 pm Biden admits to interfering in Ukraine government.

I said, “Nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars.” They said, “You have no authority. You’re not the president.” The president said—I said, “Call him.” I said, “I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars.” I said, “You’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours.” I looked at them and said, “I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.” Well, son of a biscuit. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

^^That conversation and the Dems refusal to impeach Biden and Obama for doing this makes this whole thing a farce. If they truly were so righteous in wanting to prevent "abuse of power" they would have impeached their own President for this outright meddling in another country in exchange for our money.

Sarah, I cant follow your logic. It's all over the place as you keep agreeing with Romney but then say the Bidens are bad too. I'm not sure where you are going with any of this but clearly, the evidence shows their was no abuse of power and indeed, Trumps predecessors have excerized more overt "quid pro quos" with foreign government. It's ridiculous that this has been allowed to go on as long as it did. It was almost like a warning to Trump and anybody else who might stand up to these Gadianton Robbers that if you mess with them, they will make your life a living hell. Look how they dragged the President of the USA's name around just for asking for somebody to investigate corruption! That. Is. Some. Scary. BoM. Gadianton. Robber. Storyline!

Sirius wrote: ↑February 7th, 2020, 1:55 pm

The guy isn't a sore loser, he's just a loser.

Sarah wrote: ↑February 7th, 2020, 2:39 pm

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:34 pm

largerthanlife wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 6:48 pm Biden admits to interfering in Ukraine government.

I said, “Nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars.” They said, “You have no authority. You’re not the president.” The president said—I said, “Call him.” I said, “I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars.” I said, “You’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours.” I looked at them and said, “I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.” Well, son of a biscuit. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

^^That conversation and the Dems refusal to impeach Biden and Obama for doing this makes this whole thing a farce. If they truly were so righteous in wanting to prevent "abuse of power" they would have impeached their own President for this outright meddling in another country in exchange for our money.

Sarah, I cant follow your logic. It's all over the place as you keep agreeing with Romney but then say the Bidens are bad too. I'm not sure where you are going with any of this but clearly, the evidence shows their was no abuse of power and indeed, Trumps predecessors have excerized more overt "quid pro quos" with foreign government. It's ridiculous that this has been allowed to go on as long as it did. It was almost like a warning to Trump and anybody else who might stand up to these Gadianton Robbers that if you mess with them, they will make your life a living hell. Look how they dragged the President of the USA's name around just for asking for somebody to investigate corruption! That. Is. Some. Scary. BoM. Gadianton. Robber. Storyline!

Sorry I left you hanging here, and that you weren't able to follow my logic. I started commenting on this thread to mainly point out what I see as ignorance in thinking that Trump is a good, innocent guy in the whole scheme of things. I already stated in one of my posts that even though I support Romney's position and logic (which he seems to only base on the facts that were presented to him), my support is based on the idea that it could be true that the appearance and process of going about an investigation the way Trump did was wrong. It's not important to me. I don't know if I would have voted the same as Romney if I were to vote or if I was presented with the same evidence. I don't care about the impeachment. I knew Trump would not be impeached, and if we make it to the next election, he surely will stay in office. Romney seems to be clueless to the bigger picture as well, and I don't agree with all that he said, but I give him credit for recognizing that Trump and Putin are bad guys.

I just finished watching Glenn Beck's expose' and it only confirms what I suspected that Trump is in on all of this despite looking like he was innocently asking for more information. He is the opposition actor. His phone call and the releasing of funds coordinated with the IMF's press conference, visit, and release of money to Ukraine. Trump had to have been aware that the bank on Sept. 11th was raided, and yet he didn't say anything about that? So is the IMF a good guy as well because it realized there was corruption going on? There are many questions Beck leaves unanswered, like why Obama and friends would be so interested in helping Ukraine, by funding a secret war against Russia. Beck makes a good point that it seems suspicious that Obama would be involved in this knowing that Putin would surely know about what was going on, and Obama appeared to not want to step on Putin's toes.

It all makes sense if we assume that Russia is behind the entire plot and is working with ALL these political actors to make it look like one thing and not another. My conspiracy theory is that I believe that the grand plan of the elites is to create opposing, warring sides or factions within different countries, funded by the U.S. or global bodies, all in the name of fighting terrorism, or Russian, Chinese or communist aggression, or corrupt dictators, and in the process of getting the U.S. to fund the opposition or wars, certain people are placed in power who appear to be opposition fighters but are secretly supported by the Kremlin and other elites at the very top. A messy war is waged, and Russia (or communist friends) come out on top. It's the same story over and over again for the last century, all because those with military and political might are committing fornication with those who have the money, in a secret combination that allows everyone to think they will be made rich and a part of the new order to come out of the next global war.

What makes sense to me is that since they wanted Trump and the Republicans to be in power at this time, (in order that they will be blamed for the collapse and so they can get things done in Israel), AND Russia wants Ukraine more than anything else, they would create a situation where it appeared that it was the Democrats helping and working with Ukraine, while the Republicans were caught working with the Russians. It's another, "us vs. them" farce to suck people into the fighting game. The intent is to divide and conquer. And the Kremlin and all the elites don't mind making promises to politicians and their family members, and then letting the cat out of the bag to the media so more fighting will ensue. Politicians will be sacrificed or thrown under the bus in order that the show go on. Wealth is transferred in the process, wars are fought, and Russia is always there to clean up the mess and come out on top. I think Trump loves this. He loves the fighting. He loves provoking a response. But he clearly is not trying to stop the deep state if that includes those with the real money and power. He's been promising a China deal for three years and all we have gotten is a rotten virus.

markharr wrote: ↑February 7th, 2020, 5:35 pm After the events of the fast four years, I would accept total anarchy with no government at all before I would ever vote for another Dem.

The Democratic party is now nothing more than an organized crime syndicate, or as we know it, the gadianton robbers.

Sarah wrote: ↑February 7th, 2020, 2:39 pm

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:34 pm

largerthanlife wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 6:48 pm Biden admits to interfering in Ukraine government.

I said, “Nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars.” They said, “You have no authority. You’re not the president.” The president said—I said, “Call him.” I said, “I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars.” I said, “You’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours.” I looked at them and said, “I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.” Well, son of a biscuit. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.

^^That conversation and the Dems refusal to impeach Biden and Obama for doing this makes this whole thing a farce. If they truly were so righteous in wanting to prevent "abuse of power" they would have impeached their own President for this outright meddling in another country in exchange for our money.

Sarah, I cant follow your logic. It's all over the place as you keep agreeing with Romney but then say the Bidens are bad too. I'm not sure where you are going with any of this but clearly, the evidence shows their was no abuse of power and indeed, Trumps predecessors have excerized more overt "quid pro quos" with foreign government. It's ridiculous that this has been allowed to go on as long as it did. It was almost like a warning to Trump and anybody else who might stand up to these Gadianton Robbers that if you mess with them, they will make your life a living hell. Look how they dragged the President of the USA's name around just for asking for somebody to investigate corruption! That. Is. Some. Scary. BoM. Gadianton. Robber. Storyline!

Sorry I left you hanging here, and that you weren't able to follow my logic. I started commenting on this thread to mainly point out what I see as ignorance in thinking that Trump is a good, innocent guy in the whole scheme of things. I already stated in one of my posts that even though I support Romney's position and logic (which he seems to only base on the facts that were presented to him), my support is based on the idea that it could be true that the appearance and process of going about an investigation the way Trump did was wrong. It's not important to me. I don't know if I would have voted the same as Romney if I were to vote or if I was presented with the same evidence. I don't care about the impeachment. I knew Trump would not be impeached, and if we make it to the next election, he surely will stay in office. Romney seems to be clueless to the bigger picture as well, and I don't agree with all that he said, but I give him credit for recognizing that Trump and Putin are bad guys.

I just finished watching Glenn Beck's expose' and it only confirms what I suspected that Trump is in on all of this despite looking like he was innocently asking for more information. He is the opposition actor. His phone call and the releasing of funds coordinated with the IMF's press conference, visit, and release of money to Ukraine. Trump had to have been aware that the bank on Sept. 11th was raided, and yet he didn't say anything about that? So is the IMF a good guy as well because it realized there was corruption going on? There are many questions Beck leaves unanswered, like why Obama and friends would be so interested in helping Ukraine, by funding a secret war against Russia. Beck makes a good point that it seems suspicious that Obama would be involved in this knowing that Putin would surely know about what was going on, and Obama appeared to not want to step on Putin's toes.

It all makes sense if we assume that Russia is behind the entire plot and is working with ALL these political actors to make it look like one thing and not another. My conspiracy theory is that I believe that the grand plan of the elites is to create opposing, warring sides or factions within different countries, funded by the U.S. or global bodies, all in the name of fighting terrorism, or Russian, Chinese or communist aggression, or corrupt dictators, and in the process of getting the U.S. to fund the opposition or wars, certain people are placed in power who appear to be opposition fighters but are secretly supported by the Kremlin and other elites at the very top. A messy war is waged, and Russia (or communist friends) come out on top. It's the same story over and over again for the last century, all because those with military and political might are committing fornication with those who have the money, in a secret combination that allows everyone to think they will be made rich and a part of the new order to come out of the next global war.

What makes sense to me is that since they wanted Trump and the Republicans to be in power at this time, (in order that they will be blamed for the collapse and so they can get things done in Israel), AND Russia wants Ukraine more than anything else, they would create a situation where it appeared that it was the Democrats helping and working with Ukraine, while the Republicans were caught working with the Russians. It's another, "us vs. them" farce to suck people into the fighting game. The intent is to divide and conquer. And the Kremlin and all the elites don't mind making promises to politicians and their family members, and then letting the cat out of the bag to the media so more fighting will ensue. Politicians will be sacrificed or thrown under the bus in order that the show go on. Wealth is transferred in the process, wars are fought, and Russia is always there to clean up the mess and come out on top. I think Trump loves this. He loves the fighting. He loves provoking a response. But he clearly is not trying to stop the deep state if that includes those with the real money and power. He's been promising a China deal for three years and all we have gotten is a rotten virus.

Phantom wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:10 pm It's clear to me none of you read what Romney said or watch his speech. None of you are answering the question of whether what Trump clearly did was wrong. In Romney's view he was. You can disagree with that, that's fine.

But by denying Romney his vote you deny his agency, which is anti-Christ.

It appalls me that so many here would follow a crude and clearly corrupt individual like Trump over something as simple as party. All this impeachment debacle proved is that both parties are corrupt. Both fought for and voted for their own power -- dividing the rest of us in the process.

I beg of you to bust free of your loyalty to party are to start supporting true conscience. I could agree that Trump has done some things right. But those things are not strong enough to overcome the real louse that he is. His manner, his style, his never-ending ego, his constant badgering and belittling of others is not only contrary to his station it too is anti-Christ. And you would go over a cliff for this guy.

This is a representative Republic. I look for more from those representing me.

Romney can sleep at night knowing he voted his conscience over either party. He's got no skin in this game. He'll never be President and may not even run for re-election. He's going to be near his late 70s this next time around. He clearly is a pariah to both parties, especially now, and he was/is well aware of what his vote would generate. Yet he did it anyway. If you are honest you have to question why.

But most of you are just like Trump -- reacting, name-calling, justifying unjustifiable behavior not only in the President, but now in yourselves.

Trump very clearly exerted pressure on a foreign power to investigate a political rival. You're okay with that?

justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.

That being said, this was the expected result all along. I just look forward to the American people removing the current president in November.

oldguy wrote: ↑February 8th, 2020, 10:26 am

Phantom wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:10 pm It's clear to me none of you read what Romney said or watch his speech. None of you are answering the question of whether what Trump clearly did was wrong. In Romney's view he was. You can disagree with that, that's fine.

But by denying Romney his vote you deny his agency, which is anti-Christ.

It appalls me that so many here would follow a crude and clearly corrupt individual like Trump over something as simple as party. All this impeachment debacle proved is that both parties are corrupt. Both fought for and voted for their own power -- dividing the rest of us in the process.

I beg of you to bust free of your loyalty to party are to start supporting true conscience. I could agree that Trump has done some things right. But those things are not strong enough to overcome the real louse that he is. His manner, his style, his never-ending ego, his constant badgering and belittling of others is not only contrary to his station it too is anti-Christ. And you would go over a cliff for this guy.

This is a representative Republic. I look for more from those representing me.

Romney can sleep at night knowing he voted his conscience over either party. He's got no skin in this game. He'll never be President and may not even run for re-election. He's going to be near his late 70s this next time around. He clearly is a pariah to both parties, especially now, and he was/is well aware of what his vote would generate. Yet he did it anyway. If you are honest you have to question why.

But most of you are just like Trump -- reacting, name-calling, justifying unjustifiable behavior not only in the President, but now in yourselves.

Trump very clearly exerted pressure on a foreign power to investigate a political rival. You're okay with that?

Where was Rommey's conscience when he ran Bain Investments and cheated 1000's of people out of their pensions ?