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Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 1:08 pm
by David13
First. Trump and company raved with venom about the Hella Beast and various others over the years, and did call for investigations. However no one in the government ever took any action. They have to do it. And probably out of fear of their power, they did not want. But Trump long called for it.
I believe Trump approves big budgets is because ... he is a successful big big big business man, and not a fiscal conservative.
I have seen some of these big tycoons. They can amaze you on a building budget. Most people would look, for instance at the archetural plans an dbudget and say "6 million for bathroosms?" "What for!!"
Trump strikes me as they type that would look at the budget and say "6 million for bathrooms? No. I want about 20 million for these bathrooms. I want them to have gold fixtures, the finest marble, etc etc."
That's how his buildings became the luxury landmarks that they are. Ridiculous extravagant budget. So he just doesn't look at the bottom line, I think.
I know that's why I could never design a building and the budget for it. It would be a bare bones communist era style box. Why not? What do you need all that fancy stuff for.
dc
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 1:09 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:24 am
buffalo_girl wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:54 am
Do you think the Biden's should be investigated?
Absolutely! I've felt that since the Obama takeover of the Ukraine and saw key US persons being set up in business there.
My conviction is not based on 'party' affiliation. You won't see an investigation from Congress, though. They are all too easily bribed, blackmailed, or just kept pathologically ignorant from the skewed information they are allowed to 'see'.
I think most people who can see somewhat straight believe that something is wrong with Hunter Biden's multi-million dollar "opportunity" with Ukraine, and also with China. But people like Phantom don't believe it should be investigated and in fact believe that if a politician even hints at it then they should be impeached. Trump wanted the Burisma corruption looked into, which the Biden's happen to be involved, but there was no quid pro quo. Ukraine got the money without an investigation, but there absolutely should've been an investigation.
I asked Phantom if he thinks it should be investigated but he won't answer because if he answers yes then he has to admit that the whole impeachment sham is just that, a sham. If he answers no then he admits he's a hypocrite and is giving the Biden's a pass on corruption. It's gotta be extra tough being a democrat these days.
Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!
Yeah we also got a video of this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY
Honestly the only thing Trump did wrong was he should have directed Bar to work with Ukraine to investigate Biden, but that's just procedural B.S. for the most part. I'd hardly call that a "crime" or even "unethical".
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 1:09 pm
by ori
[email protected] wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:01 pm
ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:49 am
justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm
I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.
That being said, this was the expected result all along. I just look forward to the American people removing the current president in November.
I have to laugh. Justme you have quite the optimism. Unrealistically so.
He's just a lefty provocateur, I don't think he actually believes what he writes.
I think he does believe it. He seems sincere. He's pretty optimistic, and I mean that in a good way.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 1:10 pm
by Sarah
Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:10 am
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:52 am
Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:43 am
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am
Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!
^
This reads like a pamphlet straight from the DNC.
And that's exactly how they want you to react to the truth. The only thing that matters is punishing and accusing the other side. As long as it distracts you from what your side is actually doing.
Nothing of the sort.^ Wow! I'm not a Democrat that will turn a blind eye to corruption like they do in Chicago, L.A, the Rio Grande Valley, D.C,.etc... every place run by Democrats is a kind of third world country where the cost of living is high, crime is high, freedoms for law abiding citizens is low, etc......
If you could show that Trump was lining his pockets for personal gain, I absolutely would have agreed with his impeachment and removal from office, party aside. However, that didnt happen here. He asked a country's leader to look into some major corruption that was a bad kept secret being conducted by the Bidens. He still releases these funds without them ever conducting an investigation into the Bidens and yet the Dems and other people gullible enough to believe them are howling that he did something so wrong. Please look at who you are attacking and who you are defending. In this case, you are attacking the guy who donates 100 percent of his salary to noble causes and is asking for somebody to look into the blatant corruption being committed by the Bidens in a foreign nation. Yet, you defend the guys who are actually dirty and committing crimes to line their pockets.
Please do not delude yourself with another narrative.
In no way am I defending what the Biden did, nor any other democrat. I simply realize that Ukraine is like the U.S. in some respects, that communist plants are infiltrating every part of the government and industry, just like what the Chinese are doing in Taiwan and Australia. Nothing happens in Ukraine without the Kremlin having a hand in it. So you'll see in the phone conversation, that it is all about getting the right people in positions of power and weeding out those who are not to be trusted. Trump and Giuliani are a part of this drama of having Ukrainian/Russian connections and pitting the two sides against each other in Ukraine, all for the purpose of dragging BOTH SIDES THROUGH THE MUD, and throwing both sides under the bus in order to weaken our political systems through corruption and creating distrust of each other. There are no good guys in this drama.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 1:15 pm
ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:09 pm
[email protected] wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:01 pm
ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:49 am
justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm
I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.
That being said, this was the expected result all along. I just look forward to the American people removing the current president in November.
I have to laugh. Justme you have quite the optimism. Unrealistically so.
He's just a lefty provocateur, I don't think he actually believes what he writes.
I think he does believe it. He seems sincere. He's pretty optimistic, and I mean that in a good way.
I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I refuse to believe anyone capable of putting together the kind of coherent sentences he does is simultaneously stupid enough to sincerely believe what he's writting. Therefore I'm convinced he's just trolling. I've no doubt he hates Trump with a passion though.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 1:23 pm
by David13
[email protected] wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:15 pm
ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:09 pm
[email protected] wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:01 pm
ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:49 am
I have to laugh. Justme you have quite the optimism. Unrealistically so.
He's just a lefty provocateur, I don't think he actually believes what he writes.
I think he does believe it. He seems sincere. He's pretty optimistic, and I mean that in a good way.
I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I refuse to believe anyone capable of putting together the kind of coherent sentences he does is simultaneously stupid enough to sincerely believe what he's writting. Therefore I'm convinced he's just trolling. I've no doubt he hates Trump with a passion though.
No. On the one post I read the first two sentences of it, that the only of his posts I read, pure childish nonsense. Non sequitur stuff. He seems to me to think like a young child.
dc
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 2:02 pm
by Sarah
larsenb wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:07 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:24 am
buffalo_girl wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:54 am
Absolutely! I've felt that since the Obama takeover of the Ukraine and saw key US persons being set up in business there.
My conviction is not based on 'party' affiliation. You won't see an investigation from Congress, though. They are all too easily bribed, blackmailed, or just kept pathologically ignorant from the skewed information they are allowed to 'see'.
I think most people who can see somewhat straight believe that something is wrong with Hunter Biden's multi-million dollar "opportunity" with Ukraine, and also with China. But people like Phantom don't believe it should be investigated and in fact believe that if a politician even hints at it then they should be impeached. Trump wanted the Burisma corruption looked into, which the Biden's happen to be involved, but there was no quid pro quo. Ukraine got the money without an investigation, but there absolutely should've been an investigation.
I asked Phantom if he thinks it should be investigated but he won't answer because if he answers yes then he has to admit that the whole impeachment sham is just that, a sham. If he answers no then he admits he's a hypocrite and is giving the Biden's a pass on corruption. It's gotta be extra tough being a democrat these days.
Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!
And what exactly are those "false rumors" about Romney Trump is allegedly spreading?
Trump has actually been very restrained in how he's dealt with Mitt, especially in view of that nasty, nasty personal attack Romney made on Trump in his Hinkley Institute speech. In that speech, Mitt tried to justify his attacks by repeating demonstrably false accusations against Trump promulgated by the MSM.
And as we all remember, the personal attack on Trump by Romney flew in the face of Trump's open, highly publicized, total support of Mitt in his 2012 election bid, for which Mitt was very grateful. The two-faced hypocrisy demonstrated by Mitt in this action was and still is, breathtaking.
Mitt needs no outside help in sullying his reputation. He's perfectly capable of doing that himself, both by what he says and what he does.
Just because the devil cheers you on and flatters you, doesn't mean you need to support the devil in return. I think that's fine that Mitt stuck to what he believed about Trump rather than falling for Trump's "you rub my back, I'll rub yours" expectation.
The rumor I was referring to was that Mitt was a Democratic plant, something that a poster said Trump insinuated. My question was, where are the Trump tweets telling the American people about how the Bidens or other Democrats would be brought to justice if indeed their actions required prosecution? I searched Trump's tweets about Biden, and he sure does retweet RT a lot. Early on there was one retweet of an article about a potential scandal with Biden in Ukraine, and then recently some comments about the accusations against the Bidens, but otherwise, it is all political put-downs, meant to stir up controversy or simply to make fun of Biden, but there is no resolve to do anything about the corruption.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 2:24 pm
by larsenb
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:02 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:07 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:24 am
I think most people who can see somewhat straight believe that something is wrong with Hunter Biden's multi-million dollar "opportunity" with Ukraine, and also with China. But people like Phantom don't believe it should be investigated and in fact believe that if a politician even hints at it then they should be impeached. Trump wanted the Burisma corruption looked into, which the Biden's happen to be involved, but there was no quid pro quo. Ukraine got the money without an investigation, but there absolutely should've been an investigation.
I asked Phantom if he thinks it should be investigated but he won't answer because if he answers yes then he has to admit that the whole impeachment sham is just that, a sham. If he answers no then he admits he's a hypocrite and is giving the Biden's a pass on corruption. It's gotta be extra tough being a democrat these days.
Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!
And what exactly are those "false rumors" about Romney Trump is allegedly spreading?
Trump has actually been very restrained in how he's dealt with Mitt, especially in view of that nasty, nasty personal attack Romney made on Trump in his Hinkley Institute speech. In that speech, Mitt tried to justify his attacks by repeating demonstrably false accusations against Trump promulgated by the MSM.
And as we all remember, the personal attack on Trump by Romney flew in the face of Trump's open, highly publicized, total support of Mitt in his 2012 election bid, for which Mitt was very grateful. The two-faced hypocrisy demonstrated by Mitt in this action was and still is, breathtaking.
Mitt needs no outside help in sullying his reputation. He's perfectly capable of doing that himself, both by what he says and what he does.
Just because the devil cheers you on and flatters you, doesn't mean you need to support the devil in return. I think that's fine that Mitt stuck to what he believed about Trump rather than falling for Trump's "you rub my back, I'll rub yours" expectation.
The rumor I was referring to was that Mitt was a Democratic plant, something that a poster said Trump insinuated. My question was, where are the Trump tweets telling the American people about how the Bidens or other Democrats would be brought to justice if indeed their actions required prosecution? I searched Trump's tweets about Biden, and he sure does retweet RT a lot. Early on there was one retweet of an article about a potential scandal with Biden in Ukraine, and then recently some comments about the accusations against the Bidens, but otherwise, it is all political put-downs, meant to stir up controversy or simply to make fun of Biden, but there is no resolve to do anything about the corruption.
Don't quite understand your reference to supporting the devil.
Trump not tweeting about the Bidens simply indicates he has been attacked for allegedly pressuring the Ukrainian govmt. to go after them, and doesn't want to strengthen this misperception. There are plenty of people in Congress and the DOJ, etc., who are aware of the Biden corruption, who are both talking about it and seem to be serious about mounting investigations into it. We can only hope they follow through.
You obviously don't like Trump. I just don't share your black-and-white ideas of the man, what he is trying to do and how he is controlled by the same hidden hand that controls the left-democrats. Trump is simply doing too many things that counter and even expose the agenda of these folks. Makes no sense they would allow him to do so, if they were in control.
The situation is much more complex than what you propose, imo.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 2:47 pm
by Art Vandelay
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 12:59 pm
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:07 am
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am
Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!
What false rumors?
What did he say to a foreign leader?
What was on the phone call?
Do YOU think the Biden's should be investigated for their Ukraine involvement?
An earlier post pointed out that Trump insinuated on twitter that Romney was a Democratic plant.
This is the phone call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjdwdO3yxE
And yes, I think the Biden's should be investigated.
Romney very well could be a plant. Why not, Evan McMullin was a deep state plant. Romney flat out accused Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors. It's OK with me if Trump calls him out for it. He's the only republican who voted that way.
I've read the phone call transcript before and I see nothing wrong with it. Can you point out the part that bothers you so much?
It's interesting that you think the Biden's should be investigated but you think Trump abused his power by suggesting an investigation.
What's really telling is how the DNC freaked out over it. Why would they freak out so much I wonder. When Trump was being investigated for Russian collusion he gave everything that was asked of him. When he was accused of a quid pro quo he released the phone transcript. The guy is a narcissist and childish in his behavior at times to which the Dem's can't stand being treated the same way they treat others, but Trump is clean on this. What I would LOVE to see is the Dem's investigated. There's a TON of corruption with the whole Russian collusion investigation (using foreign country to hurt a candidate. Sound familiar?) AND the impeachment. It ticks me off that the Republicans won't do anything about it. A few might stand up like Rand Paul but that's about it- just a few words and nothing more. Nothing gains any traction.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 2:53 pm
by Sarah
larsenb wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:24 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:02 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:07 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am
Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!
And what exactly are those "false rumors" about Romney Trump is allegedly spreading?
Trump has actually been very restrained in how he's dealt with Mitt, especially in view of that nasty, nasty personal attack Romney made on Trump in his Hinkley Institute speech. In that speech, Mitt tried to justify his attacks by repeating demonstrably false accusations against Trump promulgated by the MSM.
And as we all remember, the personal attack on Trump by Romney flew in the face of Trump's open, highly publicized, total support of Mitt in his 2012 election bid, for which Mitt was very grateful. The two-faced hypocrisy demonstrated by Mitt in this action was and still is, breathtaking.
Mitt needs no outside help in sullying his reputation. He's perfectly capable of doing that himself, both by what he says and what he does.
Just because the devil cheers you on and flatters you, doesn't mean you need to support the devil in return. I think that's fine that Mitt stuck to what he believed about Trump rather than falling for Trump's "you rub my back, I'll rub yours" expectation.
The rumor I was referring to was that Mitt was a Democratic plant, something that a poster said Trump insinuated. My question was, where are the Trump tweets telling the American people about how the Bidens or other Democrats would be brought to justice if indeed their actions required prosecution? I searched Trump's tweets about Biden, and he sure does retweet RT a lot. Early on there was one retweet of an article about a potential scandal with Biden in Ukraine, and then recently some comments about the accusations against the Bidens, but otherwise, it is all political put-downs, meant to stir up controversy or simply to make fun of Biden, but there is no resolve to do anything about the corruption.
Don't quite understand your reference to supporting the devil.
Trump not tweeting about the Bidens simply indicates he has been attacked for allegedly pressuring the Ukrainian govmt. to go after them, and doesn't want to strengthen this misperception. There are plenty of people in Congress and the DOJ, etc., who are aware of the Biden corruption, who are both talking about it and seem to be serious about mounting investigations into it. We can only hope they follow through.
You obviously don't like Trump. I just don't share your black-and-white ideas of the man, what he is trying to do and how he is controlled by the same hidden hand that controls the left-democrats. Trump is simply doing too many things that counter and even expose the agenda of these folks. Makes no sense they would allow him to do so, if they were in control.
The situation is much more complex than what you propose, imo.
Yes, the key phrase is "we can only hope" they follow through, just like we've been told that Trump and the patriots were going to drain the swamp which hasn't happened, just like we've been told that we have a great economy, and a trade deal with China that hasn't happened, all the while China is signing deals with everyone else in the world. Trump once long ago criticized the Fed and the run-up of deficits for political gain, yet that is what we see him doing. What do you see him doing that is countering or opposing "their" agenda?
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 3:02 pm
by Sarah
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:47 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 12:59 pm
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:07 am
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am
Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!
What false rumors?
What did he say to a foreign leader?
What was on the phone call?
Do YOU think the Biden's should be investigated for their Ukraine involvement?
An earlier post pointed out that Trump insinuated on twitter that Romney was a Democratic plant.
This is the phone call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjdwdO3yxE
And yes, I think the Biden's should be investigated.
Romney very well could be a plant. Why not, Evan McMullin was a deep state plant. Romney flat out accused Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors. It's OK with me if Trump calls him out for it. He's the only republican who voted that way.
I've read the phone call transcript before and I see nothing wrong with it. Can you point out the part that bothers you so much?
It's interesting that you think the Biden's should be investigated but you think Trump abused his power by suggesting an investigation.
What's really telling is how the DNC freaked out over it. Why would they freak out so much I wonder. When Trump was being investigated for Russian collusion he gave everything that was asked of him. When he was accused of a quid pro quo he released the phone transcript. The guy is a narcissist and childish in his behavior at times to which the Dem's can't stand being treated the same way they treat others, but Trump is clean on this. What I would LOVE to see is the Dem's investigated. There's a TON of corruption with the whole Russian collusion investigation (using foreign country to hurt a candidate. Sound familiar?) AND the impeachment. It ticks me off that the Republicans won't do anything about it. A few might stand up like Rand Paul but that's about it- just a few words and nothing more. Nothing gains any traction.
It's not like I think the phone call was a super big deal. I actually have ignored this whole trial because I knew it was all a show and didn't really matter. Like I said in another thread, I think that what he said was inappropriate in the sense that it could have been you or me or any individual having shady deals in a foreign country. How would you feel if you had business ties somewhere and the President asked someone to investigate you? Why did he go about it this way if he really wanted to investigate Biden? He shot himself in the foot by saying something to the Ukrainian president, and having it come back on him. Trump does have a lot of power as President when it comes to money and influence, so yes, I think he abused his office and I think he did it on purpose just so this whole trial could take place and we could be distracted from the real issues that are important, like him calling for negative interest rates, and all the other corruption happening around the world.
The Dems freak out because they hate conservatives in any way shape or form, and especially ones that call them names.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 3:10 pm
by larsenb
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 3:02 pm
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:47 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 12:59 pm
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:07 am
What false rumors?
What did he say to a foreign leader?
What was on the phone call?
Do YOU think the Biden's should be investigated for their Ukraine involvement?
An earlier post pointed out that Trump insinuated on twitter that Romney was a Democratic plant.
This is the phone call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjdwdO3yxE
And yes, I think the Biden's should be investigated.
Romney very well could be a plant. Why not, Evan McMullin was a deep state plant. Romney flat out accused Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors. It's OK with me if Trump calls him out for it. He's the only republican who voted that way.
I've read the phone call transcript before and I see nothing wrong with it. Can you point out the part that bothers you so much?
It's interesting that you think the Biden's should be investigated but you think Trump abused his power by suggesting an investigation.
What's really telling is how the DNC freaked out over it. Why would they freak out so much I wonder. When Trump was being investigated for Russian collusion he gave everything that was asked of him. When he was accused of a quid pro quo he released the phone transcript. The guy is a narcissist and childish in his behavior at times to which the Dem's can't stand being treated the same way they treat others, but Trump is clean on this. What I would LOVE to see is the Dem's investigated. There's a TON of corruption with the whole Russian collusion investigation (using foreign country to hurt a candidate. Sound familiar?) AND the impeachment. It ticks me off that the Republicans won't do anything about it. A few might stand up like Rand Paul but that's about it- just a few words and nothing more. Nothing gains any traction.
It's not like I think the phone call was a super big deal. I actually have ignored this whole trial because I knew it was all a show and didn't really matter. Like I said in another thread, I think that what he said was inappropriate in the sense that it could have been you or me or any individual having shady deals in a foreign country. How would you feel if you had business ties somewhere and the President asked someone to investigate you? Why did he go about it this way if he really wanted to investigate Biden? He shot himself in the foot by saying something to the Ukrainian president, and having it come back on him. Trump does have a lot of power as President when it comes to money and influence, so yes, I think he abused his office and I think he did it on purpose just so this whole trial could take place and we could be distracted from the real issues that are important, like him calling for negative interest rates, and all the other corruption happening around the world.
The Dems freak out because they hate conservatives in any way shape or form, and especially ones that call them names.
Thinking something is so, doesn't make it so. The facts just don't support it. You can watch the video where VP Biden brags about how he got the Ukraine legislature to fire the investigator delving into Burisma corruption, by threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aide. THAT is direct, provable influence peddling, which is direct corrupt activity by the '2nd highest' public US official. You can watch Hunter BIden admit to an interviewer that probably the only reason he was put on the Burisma board was because of his father's position. I've seen both . . . at least twice.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 3:30 pm
by markharr
Phantom wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:10 pm
But by denying Romney his vote you deny his agency, which is anti-Christ.
Romney is an elected representative. He is supposed to be representing his constituents. he didn't even mention his constituents once in that entire pathetic speech. it was all about him.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Nobody is saying that he can't have his own opinion only that as an elected representative he is supposed to put his constituents over his own personal opinion. The rest of your comment was as others pointed out, flat out false. Aid was delivered ahead of schedule and on time. There were hundreds of words between when aid was mentioned and Joe Biden was mentioned. Not one of 18 witnesses could name an impeachable offense.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 3:31 pm
by Sirius
Mitty, obviously has zero ability to discern truth. Or, he is worried about his own corruption coming to light. I think it's a bit of both.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 3:38 pm
by Sarah
larsenb wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 3:10 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 3:02 pm
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:47 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 12:59 pm
An earlier post pointed out that Trump insinuated on twitter that Romney was a Democratic plant.
This is the phone call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjdwdO3yxE
And yes, I think the Biden's should be investigated.
Romney very well could be a plant. Why not, Evan McMullin was a deep state plant. Romney flat out accused Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors. It's OK with me if Trump calls him out for it. He's the only republican who voted that way.
I've read the phone call transcript before and I see nothing wrong with it. Can you point out the part that bothers you so much?
It's interesting that you think the Biden's should be investigated but you think Trump abused his power by suggesting an investigation.
What's really telling is how the DNC freaked out over it. Why would they freak out so much I wonder. When Trump was being investigated for Russian collusion he gave everything that was asked of him. When he was accused of a quid pro quo he released the phone transcript. The guy is a narcissist and childish in his behavior at times to which the Dem's can't stand being treated the same way they treat others, but Trump is clean on this. What I would LOVE to see is the Dem's investigated. There's a TON of corruption with the whole Russian collusion investigation (using foreign country to hurt a candidate. Sound familiar?) AND the impeachment. It ticks me off that the Republicans won't do anything about it. A few might stand up like Rand Paul but that's about it- just a few words and nothing more. Nothing gains any traction.
It's not like I think the phone call was a super big deal. I actually have ignored this whole trial because I knew it was all a show and didn't really matter. Like I said in another thread, I think that what he said was inappropriate in the sense that it could have been you or me or any individual having shady deals in a foreign country. How would you feel if you had business ties somewhere and the President asked someone to investigate you? Why did he go about it this way if he really wanted to investigate Biden? He shot himself in the foot by saying something to the Ukrainian president, and having it come back on him. Trump does have a lot of power as President when it comes to money and influence, so yes, I think he abused his office and I think he did it on purpose just so this whole trial could take place and we could be distracted from the real issues that are important, like him calling for negative interest rates, and all the other corruption happening around the world.
The Dems freak out because they hate conservatives in any way shape or form, and especially ones that call them names.
Thinking something is so, doesn't make it so. The facts just don't support it. You can watch the video where VP Biden brags about how he got the Ukraine legislature to fire the investigator delving into Burisma corruption, by threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aide. THAT is direct, provable influence peddling, which is direct corrupt activity by the '2nd highest' public US official. You can watch Hunter BIden admit to an interviewer that probably the only reason he was put on the Burisma board was because of his father's position. I've seen both . . . at least twice.
You are clearly misunderstanding me. I totally believe that the Bidens could have/would have/did, all those bad things. But just because they are bad guys, does not mean Trump is the good guy in the grand scheme of things. I've no doubt that the Biden's actions are much worse than the phone call. But I believe Trump is acting his part with no intention of bringing down the true bad guys which includes all the banksters and world elites. He has no real intentions to standing up to China or Russia as well. Everything he does actually helps them gain influence around the world.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 3:43 pm
by Sarah
markharr wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 3:30 pm
Phantom wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:10 pm
But by denying Romney his vote you deny his agency, which is anti-Christ.
Romney is an elected representative. He is supposed to be representing his constituents. he didn't even mention his constituents once in that entire pathetic speech. it was all about him.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Nobody is saying that he can't have his own opinion only that as an elected representative he is supposed to put his constituents over his own personal opinion. The rest of your comment was as others pointed out, flat out false. Aid was delivered ahead of schedule and on time. There were hundreds of words between when aid was mentioned and Joe Biden was mentioned. Not one of 18 witnesses could name an impeachable offense.
I bet ya he has constituents that both agree and disagree with his decision. It would be impossible to please everyone. What is the point of having elected representatives if all they should do is put their constituents to a vote to determine how they should vote on everything placed before them? We choose representatives and place our trust in them that hopefully they will make wise and correct decisions. It is not a pure democracy or mob rule in that sense.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 4:25 pm
by markharr
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 3:43 pm
I bet ya he has constituents that both agree and disagree with his decision. It would be impossible to please everyone. What is the point of having elected representatives if all they should do is put their constituents to a vote to determine how they should vote on everything placed before them? We choose representatives and place our trust in them that hopefully they will make wise and correct decisions. It is not a pure democracy or mob rule in that sense.
Senator Romney is free to use his free agency to think or do whatever he wants. However there is nothing about free agency that gives you immunity from the consequences. Quite the opposite in fact.
Were Senator Romney just an average Joe it would end there but he is not an average Joe. He used his free agency to chose to run for office. He is employed as an elected representative and took an oath of office. That means that when it comes to doing his job as a representative he is supposed to put aside his personal opinion and personal grudges and represent his constituents. He made that choice not me, and to suggest that you are anti-Christ or a a devil worshiper for expecting him to do the job that he willingly took is false doctrine. You say maybe the majority of his constituents wanted him to vote that way. How would we know? During that entire speech he didn't even mention his constituents, all he mentioned was himself. I challenge you to cite an example from that speech where he did mention his constituents.
For you and phantom to imply that I can't use my free agency to recall a Senator who I don't believe is representing the best interests of his constituents makes you anti-Christ by your own criteria.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 4:33 pm
by Rick Grimes
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:53 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:24 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:02 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:07 pm
And what exactly are those "false rumors" about Romney Trump is allegedly spreading?
Trump has actually been very restrained in how he's dealt with Mitt, especially in view of that nasty, nasty personal attack Romney made on Trump in his Hinkley Institute speech. In that speech, Mitt tried to justify his attacks by repeating demonstrably false accusations against Trump promulgated by the MSM.
And as we all remember, the personal attack on Trump by Romney flew in the face of Trump's open, highly publicized, total support of Mitt in his 2012 election bid, for which Mitt was very grateful. The two-faced hypocrisy demonstrated by Mitt in this action was and still is, breathtaking.
Mitt needs no outside help in sullying his reputation. He's perfectly capable of doing that himself, both by what he says and what he does.
Just because the devil cheers you on and flatters you, doesn't mean you need to support the devil in return. I think that's fine that Mitt stuck to what he believed about Trump rather than falling for Trump's "you rub my back, I'll rub yours" expectation.
The rumor I was referring to was that Mitt was a Democratic plant, something that a poster said Trump insinuated. My question was, where are the Trump tweets telling the American people about how the Bidens or other Democrats would be brought to justice if indeed their actions required prosecution? I searched Trump's tweets about Biden, and he sure does retweet RT a lot. Early on there was one retweet of an article about a potential scandal with Biden in Ukraine, and then recently some comments about the accusations against the Bidens, but otherwise, it is all political put-downs, meant to stir up controversy or simply to make fun of Biden, but there is no resolve to do anything about the corruption.
Don't quite understand your reference to supporting the devil.
Trump not tweeting about the Bidens simply indicates he has been attacked for allegedly pressuring the Ukrainian govmt. to go after them, and doesn't want to strengthen this misperception. There are plenty of people in Congress and the DOJ, etc., who are aware of the Biden corruption, who are both talking about it and seem to be serious about mounting investigations into it. We can only hope they follow through.
You obviously don't like Trump. I just don't share your black-and-white ideas of the man, what he is trying to do and how he is controlled by the same hidden hand that controls the left-democrats. Trump is simply doing too many things that counter and even expose the agenda of these folks. Makes no sense they would allow him to do so, if they were in control.
The situation is much more complex than what you propose, imo.
Yes, the key phrase is "we can only hope" they follow through, just like we've been told that Trump and the patriots were going to drain the swamp which hasn't happened, just like we've been told that we have a great economy, and a trade deal with China that hasn't happened, all the while China is signing deals with everyone else in the world. Trump once long ago criticized the Fed and the run-up of deficits for political gain, yet that is what we see him doing. What do you see him doing that is countering or opposing "their" agenda?
Sarah, non of these taking points line up with agreeing with Romney on his vote. You support Romney for being a traitorous turncoat, and siding with the Dems on convicting Trump for simply calling out that the Bidens needed to be investigating. I'm not following your logic at all. You say Trumo hasn't done what he has promised? Look at how he has been attacked for merely bringing up corruption that is well known about. Look how he is slandered and libeled by the MSM for simply sticking his neck out and calling out corruption. You really think this is justified and agree with Romney? Wow.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 4:46 pm
by Sarah
markharr wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 4:25 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 3:43 pm
I bet ya he has constituents that both agree and disagree with his decision. It would be impossible to please everyone. What is the point of having elected representatives if all they should do is put their constituents to a vote to determine how they should vote on everything placed before them? We choose representatives and place our trust in them that hopefully they will make wise and correct decisions. It is not a pure democracy or mob rule in that sense.
Senator Romney is free to use his free agency to think or do whatever he wants. However there is nothing about free agency that gives you immunity from the consequences. Quite the opposite in fact.
Were Senator Romney just an average Joe it would end there but he is not an average Joe. He used his free agency to chose to run for office. He is employed as an elected representative and took an oath of office. That means that when it comes to doing his job as a representative he is supposed to put aside his personal opinion and personal grudges and represent his constituents. He made that choice not me, and to suggest that you are anti-Christ or a a devil worshiper for expecting him to do the job that he willingly took is false doctrine. You say maybe the majority of his constituents wanted him to vote that way. How would we know? During that entire speech he didn't even mention his constituents, all he mentioned was himself. I challenge you to cite an example from that speech where he did mention his constituents.
For you and phantom to imply that I can't use my free agency to recall a Senator who I don't believe is representing the best interests of his constituents makes you anti-Christ by your own criteria.
Let's just make clear that I never accused you of being an anti-Christ, nor did I ever say you didn't have the free agency to recall Romney. I'm sure Romney knows what the consequences will be for his actions and he's willing to take that than live with the fact that he gave Trump a pass on his actions. I didn't look at all the evidence myself so I don't know how I personally would have voted. It was a toss-up in my opinion. I can see both sides of the argument, so I give Romney the benefit of the doubt that he truly believes what Trump did was worthy of voting to convict Trump of it.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 4:52 pm
by Phantom
Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:25 am
No, but he should have.
Do you think the Biden's should be investigated? Yes or no.
Absolutely!
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 4:57 pm
by Phantom
Y'all have had all day to answer a simple question and the silence is deafening.
It says more about you than it does Romney.
My work is finished here.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 5:00 pm
by Sarah
Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 4:33 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:53 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:24 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 2:02 pm
Just because the devil cheers you on and flatters you, doesn't mean you need to support the devil in return. I think that's fine that Mitt stuck to what he believed about Trump rather than falling for Trump's "you rub my back, I'll rub yours" expectation.
The rumor I was referring to was that Mitt was a Democratic plant, something that a poster said Trump insinuated. My question was, where are the Trump tweets telling the American people about how the Bidens or other Democrats would be brought to justice if indeed their actions required prosecution? I searched Trump's tweets about Biden, and he sure does retweet RT a lot. Early on there was one retweet of an article about a potential scandal with Biden in Ukraine, and then recently some comments about the accusations against the Bidens, but otherwise, it is all political put-downs, meant to stir up controversy or simply to make fun of Biden, but there is no resolve to do anything about the corruption.
Don't quite understand your reference to supporting the devil.
Trump not tweeting about the Bidens simply indicates he has been attacked for allegedly pressuring the Ukrainian govmt. to go after them, and doesn't want to strengthen this misperception. There are plenty of people in Congress and the DOJ, etc., who are aware of the Biden corruption, who are both talking about it and seem to be serious about mounting investigations into it. We can only hope they follow through.
You obviously don't like Trump. I just don't share your black-and-white ideas of the man, what he is trying to do and how he is controlled by the same hidden hand that controls the left-democrats. Trump is simply doing too many things that counter and even expose the agenda of these folks. Makes no sense they would allow him to do so, if they were in control.
The situation is much more complex than what you propose, imo.
Yes, the key phrase is "we can only hope" they follow through, just like we've been told that Trump and the patriots were going to drain the swamp which hasn't happened, just like we've been told that we have a great economy, and a trade deal with China that hasn't happened, all the while China is signing deals with everyone else in the world. Trump once long ago criticized the Fed and the run-up of deficits for political gain, yet that is what we see him doing. What do you see him doing that is countering or opposing "their" agenda?
Sarah, non of these taking points line up with agreeing with Romney on his vote. You support Romney for being a traitorous turncoat, and siding with the Dems on convicting Trump for simply calling out that the Bidens needed to be investigating. I'm not following your logic at all. You say Trumo hasn't done what he has promised? Look at how he has been attacked for merely bringing up corruption that is well known about. Look how he is slandered and libeled by the MSM for simply sticking his neck out and calling out corruption. You really think this is justified and agree with Romney? Wow.
My logic is that I do think there may be sufficient evidence to prove that what Trump did was wrong, despite the wrongdoing of the Bidens, and so I support Romney's decision. Just because everyone in your party is going along with group think, doesn't mean they are right. And yes, Trump has not done what he has promised, when it comes to the important things of getting America's financial house in order. What value is there in a president whose greatest claim of victory is bashing the Democrats and media? You're praising him for talking about all the corruption, but He didn't even bring up the Biden corruption until he had to.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 5:02 pm
by markharr
Phantom wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Y'all have had all day to answer a simple question and the silence is deafening.
It says more about you than it does Romney.
My work is finished here.
He did not.
He asked for information on crowdstrike. We all read the transcript.
For the record it wouldn't have been illegal or even immoral for POTUS to have asked Ukraine to investigate the Bidens after Joe Biden admitted to his quid pro quo on camera. In fact, it would be a violation of his oath of office to not investigate it.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 5:10 pm
by markharr
This difference of opinion is exactly why this should have been left up to the voters instead of impeachment. The democrats knew they were losing in the court of public opinion and that is the only reason why they went with impeachment.
Re: Mitt Romney Sore Loser
Posted: February 6th, 2020, 5:41 pm
by Art Vandelay
Phantom wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Y'all have had all day to answer a simple question and the silence is deafening.
It says more about you than it does Romney.
My work is finished here.
Yes, the Biden's were mentioned.
There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me. -Trump
There's nothing wrong with what he said. It's nice that you agree the Biden's aught to be investigated with their Ukraine dealings.
Is there something that Trump said that bothers you. If so, what is it and why does it bother you?
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