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I thought Laura Ingraham was spot on and was still pretty nice to the people of Utah who obviously blew it by electing Mitt .. For the most part, Utahans are embarrassed and ashamed of Mitt...

Trumpers: did he or did he not ask Ukraine to investigate Biden?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... e-on-biden

Simple question.

Phantom wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:11 am Trumpers: did he or did he not ask Ukraine to investigate Biden?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... e-on-biden

Simple question.

No, but he should have.

Do you think the Biden's should be investigated? Yes or no.

Do we elect these people to represent our best interests or to give us year after year of entertaining scandal whilst the real 'Powers that Be' run rampant upon the face of the earth with their business deals, murder, extortion, blackmail, and wars - all under cover of engineered chronic & systemic distraction?

I fail to see one iota of difference in the behaviors of politicians regardless to which 'gang' they profess allegiance.

All the while, we, The People, are being drained of our wealth, lives, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. We willingly offer up our sons & daughters as sacrifices for benefit of these criminal enterprises.

Wouldn't hurt to go to your local library and check out a copy of Edward Snowden's book, "Permanent Record" to discover just how much of our Constitution has been lost.

Meanwhile, the two articles below are of interest regarding Mitt Romney's hapless journey. I'm not suggesting Romney is 'criminal' per se; just not very bright or wise.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/26/to ... y-company/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... lk.twitter

Do you think the Biden's should be investigated?

Absolutely! I've felt that since the Obama takeover of the Ukraine and saw key US persons being set up in business there.

My conviction is not based on 'party' affiliation. You won't see an investigation from Congress, though. They are all too easily bribed, blackmailed, or just kept pathologically ignorant from the skewed information they are allowed to 'see'.

Romney is a sanctimonious fool.

It's a publicity stunt on his behalf. No integrity whatsoever.

Just bald faced "virtue signaling" in his legal ignorance. No clue about law or procedure at all.
dc

No clue about law, no clue about the Constitution, no clue about many Mormons, no clue about repentance. Steeped in self-righteousness, which, last I heard, is a sin. (Romans)

Alaris wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:37 pm

justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.

That being said, this was the expected result all along. I just look forward to the American people removing the current president in November.

Yes. Way to go Mitt Romney for standing up for the ongoing and completely transparent attempt at a coup d'etat by the globalists. So courageous.

And who is financing the globalists? Trump is the best thing that has come along for the financial and corporate elite that has ever come. He's run up astronomical amounts of debt and has enabled the Fed to pump up our fake economy and stock market by pumping 50-100 billion in every day for the last few months. The elite don't care about left and right issues. They create bubbles and pop them while gaining vast amounts of wealth in the process. Trump is the best thing that has come along. Where are his calls to investigate Biden here in the states? Where are his calls to investigate Hillary and Obama and all the other cronies?

Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:34 am

Alaris wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:37 pm

justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.

That being said, this was the expected result all along. I just look forward to the American people removing the current president in November.

Yes. Way to go Mitt Romney for standing up for the ongoing and completely transparent attempt at a coup d'etat by the globalists. So courageous.

And who is financing the globalists? Trump is the best thing that has come along for the financial and corporate elite that has ever come. He's run up astronomical amounts of debt and has enabled the Fed to pump up our fake economy and stock market by pumping 50-100 billion in every day for the last few months. The elite don't care about left and right issues. They create bubbles and pop them while gaining vast amounts of wealth in the process. Trump is the best thing that has come along. Where are his calls to investigate Biden here in the states? Where are his calls to investigate Hillary and Obama and all the other cronies?

Very good points Sarah. I had sidebar with a couple of friends about this, talking about the CFR and modern gadiantons. Though Trump is not CFR, it's highly suspicious that he keeps passing the ever increasing overflowing budgets without a fight. I'd say that is only followed by the lack of investigating and convicting the actual criminals of these crimes dems are projecting upon Trump. Granted, Trump entered the swamp whether he's a part of it at any level. We've seen blatant gadiantonism at the highest levels of the CIA, FBI, and DoJ. So, how do we investigate and convict these actual criminals when their cohorts have been occupying the seats of power in all these agencies?

I read an incredible book, Hiding in Plain Sight that was published in the early 2000s by Utah state representative and fellow member Ken Bowers (pretty sure he's the same guy.) In the book, he basically takes quotes from modern day gadiantons and compares to quotes from general authorities and to scripture. He talks early on about the punch and judy show - a puppet show where it seems there are two parties fighting over the heart and soul over america, yet they always seem to agree when it comes to egregious spending. That is absolutely my biggest concern with Trump.

That all said - that doesn't mean the globalists aren't out to get him. I sense a new saying:

"Just because I approve egregious budgets doesn't mean the globalists aren't out to get me"

Alaris wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 9:32 am

Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:34 am

Alaris wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:37 pm

justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.

That being said, this was the expected result all along. I just look forward to the American people removing the current president in November.

Yes. Way to go Mitt Romney for standing up for the ongoing and completely transparent attempt at a coup d'etat by the globalists. So courageous.

And who is financing the globalists? Trump is the best thing that has come along for the financial and corporate elite that has ever come. He's run up astronomical amounts of debt and has enabled the Fed to pump up our fake economy and stock market by pumping 50-100 billion in every day for the last few months. The elite don't care about left and right issues. They create bubbles and pop them while gaining vast amounts of wealth in the process. Trump is the best thing that has come along. Where are his calls to investigate Biden here in the states? Where are his calls to investigate Hillary and Obama and all the other cronies?

Very good points Sarah. I hide a sidebar with a friend about this talking about the CFR and modern gadiantons. Though Trump is not CFR, it's highly suspicious that he keeps passing the ever increasing overflowing budgets without a fight. I'd say that is only followed by the lack of investigating and convicting the actual criminals of these crimes dems are projecting upon Trump. Granted, Trump entered the swamp whether he's a part of it at any level. We've seen blatant gadiantonism at the highest levels of the CIA, FBI, and DoJ. So, how do we investigate and convict these actual criminals when their cohorts have been occupying the seats of power in all these agencies?

I read an incredible book, Hiding in Plain Sight that was published in the early 2000s by Utah state representative and fellow member Ken Bowers (pretty sure he's the same guy.) In the book, he basically takes quotes from modern day gadiantons and compares to quotes from general authorities and to scripture. He talks early on about the punch and judy show - a puppet show where it seems there are two parties fighting over the heart and soul over america, yet they always seem to agree when it comes to egregious spending. That is absolutely my biggest concern with Trump.

That all said - that doesn't mean the globalists aren't out to get him. I sense a new saying:

"Just because I approve egregious budgets doesn't mean the globalists aren't out to get me"

The globalists aren't fighting against Trump - they love him. The problem is that the Alex Jones libertarian talking heads were manipulated all these years into helping define what a "globalist" or "deep stater" was, while it was an effort to hide the true criminals, and a plan to create sides and an internal war here in America. Of course there is corruption on both sides of the isle. There are those who have infiltrated our government agencies, but it isn't necessary along party lines. And just because a democrat fights against a republican doesn't mean that person is a "globalist." We need to realize that all these politicians are actors in the sense that they don't hold any real power. The people that control the money and power in the background are pulling the strings, and Trump is part of the conspiracy to bring down the dollar, which is what all this debt will do.

I'm sure the elites could have put in Hilary in if they wanted to, but they needed Trump's ties to Israel and the conservative right to get those two groups to do what they wanted and to turn the rest of the world against Israel and conservative Christians. They've always been out to get Romney and drum up dirt against him too.

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:54 am

Do you think the Biden's should be investigated?

Absolutely! I've felt that since the Obama takeover of the Ukraine and saw key US persons being set up in business there.

My conviction is not based on 'party' affiliation. You won't see an investigation from Congress, though. They are all too easily bribed, blackmailed, or just kept pathologically ignorant from the skewed information they are allowed to 'see'.

I think most people who can see somewhat straight believe that something is wrong with Hunter Biden's multi-million dollar "opportunity" with Ukraine, and also with China. But people like Phantom don't believe it should be investigated and in fact believe that if a politician even hints at it then they should be impeached. Trump wanted the Burisma corruption looked into, which the Biden's happen to be involved, but there was no quid pro quo. Ukraine got the money without an investigation, but there absolutely should've been an investigation.

I asked Phantom if he thinks it should be investigated but he won't answer because if he answers yes then he has to admit that the whole impeachment sham is just that, a sham. If he answers no then he admits he's a hypocrite and is giving the Biden's a pass on corruption. It's gotta be extra tough being a democrat these days.

Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:24 am

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:54 am

Do you think the Biden's should be investigated?

Absolutely! I've felt that since the Obama takeover of the Ukraine and saw key US persons being set up in business there.

My conviction is not based on 'party' affiliation. You won't see an investigation from Congress, though. They are all too easily bribed, blackmailed, or just kept pathologically ignorant from the skewed information they are allowed to 'see'.

I think most people who can see somewhat straight believe that something is wrong with Hunter Biden's multi-million dollar "opportunity" with Ukraine, and also with China. But people like Phantom don't believe it should be investigated and in fact believe that if a politician even hints at it then they should be impeached. Trump wanted the Burisma corruption looked into, which the Biden's happen to be involved, but there was no quid pro quo. Ukraine got the money without an investigation, but there absolutely should've been an investigation.

I asked Phantom if he thinks it should be investigated but he won't answer because if he answers yes then he has to admit that the whole impeachment sham is just that, a sham. If he answers no then he admits he's a hypocrite and is giving the Biden's a pass on corruption. It's gotta be extra tough being a democrat these days.

Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!

Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am

Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:24 am

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:54 am

Do you think the Biden's should be investigated?

Absolutely! I've felt that since the Obama takeover of the Ukraine and saw key US persons being set up in business there.

My conviction is not based on 'party' affiliation. You won't see an investigation from Congress, though. They are all too easily bribed, blackmailed, or just kept pathologically ignorant from the skewed information they are allowed to 'see'.

I think most people who can see somewhat straight believe that something is wrong with Hunter Biden's multi-million dollar "opportunity" with Ukraine, and also with China. But people like Phantom don't believe it should be investigated and in fact believe that if a politician even hints at it then they should be impeached. Trump wanted the Burisma corruption looked into, which the Biden's happen to be involved, but there was no quid pro quo. Ukraine got the money without an investigation, but there absolutely should've been an investigation.

I asked Phantom if he thinks it should be investigated but he won't answer because if he answers yes then he has to admit that the whole impeachment sham is just that, a sham. If he answers no then he admits he's a hypocrite and is giving the Biden's a pass on corruption. It's gotta be extra tough being a democrat these days.

Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!

^

This reads like a pamphlet straight from the DNC.

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:43 am

Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am

Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:24 am

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:54 am Absolutely! I've felt that since the Obama takeover of the Ukraine and saw key US persons being set up in business there.

My conviction is not based on 'party' affiliation. You won't see an investigation from Congress, though. They are all too easily bribed, blackmailed, or just kept pathologically ignorant from the skewed information they are allowed to 'see'.

I think most people who can see somewhat straight believe that something is wrong with Hunter Biden's multi-million dollar "opportunity" with Ukraine, and also with China. But people like Phantom don't believe it should be investigated and in fact believe that if a politician even hints at it then they should be impeached. Trump wanted the Burisma corruption looked into, which the Biden's happen to be involved, but there was no quid pro quo. Ukraine got the money without an investigation, but there absolutely should've been an investigation.

I asked Phantom if he thinks it should be investigated but he won't answer because if he answers yes then he has to admit that the whole impeachment sham is just that, a sham. If he answers no then he admits he's a hypocrite and is giving the Biden's a pass on corruption. It's gotta be extra tough being a democrat these days.

Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!

^

This reads like a pamphlet straight from the DNC.

And that's exactly how they want you to react to the truth. The only thing that matters is punishing and accusing the other side. As long as it distracts you from what your side is actually doing.

mitt romney is basically the republican version of Newman

Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am
Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!

What false rumors?
What did he say to a foreign leader?
What was on the phone call?

Do YOU think the Biden's should be investigated for their Ukraine involvement?

Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:52 am

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:43 am

Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am

Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:24 am

I think most people who can see somewhat straight believe that something is wrong with Hunter Biden's multi-million dollar "opportunity" with Ukraine, and also with China. But people like Phantom don't believe it should be investigated and in fact believe that if a politician even hints at it then they should be impeached. Trump wanted the Burisma corruption looked into, which the Biden's happen to be involved, but there was no quid pro quo. Ukraine got the money without an investigation, but there absolutely should've been an investigation.

I asked Phantom if he thinks it should be investigated but he won't answer because if he answers yes then he has to admit that the whole impeachment sham is just that, a sham. If he answers no then he admits he's a hypocrite and is giving the Biden's a pass on corruption. It's gotta be extra tough being a democrat these days.

Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!

^

This reads like a pamphlet straight from the DNC.

And that's exactly how they want you to react to the truth. The only thing that matters is punishing and accusing the other side. As long as it distracts you from what your side is actually doing.

Nothing of the sort.^ Wow! I'm not a Democrat that will turn a blind eye to corruption like they do in Chicago, L.A, the Rio Grande Valley, D.C,.etc... every place run by Democrats is a kind of third world country where the cost of living is high, crime is high, freedoms for law abiding citizens is low, etc......

If you could show that Trump was lining his pockets for personal gain, I absolutely would have agreed with his impeachment and removal from office, party aside. However, that didnt happen here. He asked a country's leader to look into some major corruption that was a bad kept secret being conducted by the Bidens. He still releases these funds without them ever conducting an investigation into the Bidens and yet the Dems and other people gullible enough to believe them are howling that he did something so wrong. Please look at who you are attacking and who you are defending. In this case, you are attacking the guy who donates 100 percent of his salary to noble causes and is asking for somebody to look into the blatant corruption being committed by the Bidens in a foreign nation. Yet, you defend the guys who are actually dirty and committing crimes to line their pockets.

Please do not delude yourself with another narrative.

abijah` wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:54 am mitt romney is basically the republican version of Newman

Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:14 am

abijah` wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:54 am mitt romney is basically the republican version of Newman

newman.jpg

Anything with Newman in the post is absolute Gold!!

Romney calling Joe Biden a good Man The same Biden who gropes young girls right in front of the camera? How much money did Romney make in Ukraine?'

justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.

That being said, this was the expected result all along. I just look forward to the American people removing the current president in November.

I have to laugh. Justme you have quite the optimism. Unrealistically so.

Mitt Romney denies mormon faith 2008

Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:07 am

Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am
Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!

What false rumors?
What did he say to a foreign leader?
What was on the phone call?

Do YOU think the Biden's should be investigated for their Ukraine involvement?

An earlier post pointed out that Trump insinuated on twitter that Romney was a Democratic plant.

This is the phone call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjdwdO3yxE

And yes, I think the Bidens should be investigated.

ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 11:49 am

justme wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:35 pm I appreciate and admire the courage and integrity of Mitt Romney. On a day like this we miss McCain, and wish more of the republicans had a backbone.

That being said, this was the expected result all along. I just look forward to the American people removing the current president in November.

I have to laugh. Justme you have quite the optimism. Unrealistically so.

He's just a lefty provocateur, I don't think he actually believes what he writes.

Sarah wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:35 am

Art Vandelay wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:24 am

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 7:54 am

Do you think the Biden's should be investigated?

Absolutely! I've felt that since the Obama takeover of the Ukraine and saw key US persons being set up in business there.

My conviction is not based on 'party' affiliation. You won't see an investigation from Congress, though. They are all too easily bribed, blackmailed, or just kept pathologically ignorant from the skewed information they are allowed to 'see'.

I think most people who can see somewhat straight believe that something is wrong with Hunter Biden's multi-million dollar "opportunity" with Ukraine, and also with China. But people like Phantom don't believe it should be investigated and in fact believe that if a politician even hints at it then they should be impeached. Trump wanted the Burisma corruption looked into, which the Biden's happen to be involved, but there was no quid pro quo. Ukraine got the money without an investigation, but there absolutely should've been an investigation.

I asked Phantom if he thinks it should be investigated but he won't answer because if he answers yes then he has to admit that the whole impeachment sham is just that, a sham. If he answers no then he admits he's a hypocrite and is giving the Biden's a pass on corruption. It's gotta be extra tough being a democrat these days.

Trump is totally fine spreading false rumors about Romney on Twitter, so why did he not hammer away at the Bidens or Hilary or Obama with allegations, before saying something to a foreign leader? It's because this was all a deliberate act on Trump's part. We even got the phone call!

And what exactly are those "false rumors" about Romney Trump is allegedly spreading?

Trump has actually been very restrained in how he's dealt with Mitt, especially in view of that nasty, nasty personal attack Romney made on Trump in his Hinkley Institute speech. In that speech, Mitt tried to justify his attacks by repeating demonstrably false accusations against Trump promulgated by the MSM.

And as we all remember, the personal attack on Trump by Romney flew in the face of Trump's open, highly publicized, total support of Mitt in his 2012 election bid, for which Mitt was very grateful. The two-faced hypocrisy demonstrated by Mitt in this action was and still is, breathtaking.

Mitt needs no outside help in sullying his reputation. He's perfectly capable of doing that himself, both by what he says and what he does.