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Nope sorry. The Creator either got me by my IP address or just a really good guess. Maybe he can tell us how he did it. He got me in a PM.

I am Ed Goble

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:19 am Nope sorry. The Creator either got me by my IP address or just a really good guess. Maybe he can tell us how he did it. He got me in a PM.

I am Ed Goble

Who?

inho wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 11:08 pm

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm But now I will ask those of you who will help me to spread my message to AVOW, and ask them to stop following snake oil salesmen.

Why can't you do it yourself?

Because I don't want to give money to people like that. And somebody that already is on there that agrees with me on this point can possibly do it with their account if they are up to the task.

Alaris wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:21 am

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:19 am Nope sorry. The Creator either got me by my IP address or just a really good guess. Maybe he can tell us how he did it. He got me in a PM.

I am Ed Goble

Who?

Oh come on now.

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:19 am Nope sorry. The Creator either got me by my IP address or just a really good guess. Maybe he can tell us how he did it. He got me in a PM.

I am Ed Goble

You didn't have to out yourself. I wasn't going to.

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 4:31 pm
While I understand the importance of caution when people come to you with big claims, I also understand that if it weren't for big claims then none of us would be on this forum discussing any of this relevant to the latter-day dispensation.

Some big claims are true. Some are false. Some true big claims are discounted and discarded. Some false big claims are accepted and elevated.

Joseph Smith made a big claim. Our missionaries make big claims. The President of the Church makes big claims. Jesus Christ makes big claims.

Some amount of caution is helpful, but too much of it leads to unbalanced skepticism or cynicism. That's as unhealthy as is being gullible.

Better to teach people how to judge a claim and the consequences for accepting big claims that are either true or false.

Therein lies the disagreement between the people that are on the Boat of Old Ship Zion as we see it, and those that are not. For us, we see a necessity to submit to the keys of the priesthood and obey, because those big claims are already made, and are already well-established. People that come along and claim a new dispensation or a new this or that are out of line with the concept of Institutional authority and revelation, and that the Lord wouldn't start over in this dispensation.

Yes, I get it. And we have been through this over and over again. They bring up the Lehis, the Samuel the Lamanites, the Jesus Christ against the Jewish establishment arguments. I get it. No need for a rehashing of the arguments in this thread. Just agree to disagree and move on. And for those who find this demonstration and experiment helpful, then so be it. For those that insist on being a part of some other "dispensation" by some other claimant, well, by all means, do what you must do with your agency. It is yours to do with as you please. Just be aware of the risk of putting yourself outside the realm of the path and the iron rod that is already established.

Yeah, I get it. The brethren this, the brethren that. You guys that disagree with me have put it a thousand ways about why you think you can walk away and preserve the dispensation, well meaning people on their own. That's like the well meaning people in D&C 132 who enter into covenants themselves without authority and without the holy spirit of promise. You can make covenants with yourselves, and presume to do it with your God outside of his order. Your authorities like Denver have no sealing power to seal, and no keys to open and shut. It doesn't matter what you think of the way the established Brethren lead. You cannot get away from the fact that they are the ones set to lead. Why would you put yourself in spiritual peril to hazard following after some claimant that has no authority? But again, that is your agency to use. Do with it what you must.

The Creator wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:32 am

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:19 am Nope sorry. The Creator either got me by my IP address or just a really good guess. Maybe he can tell us how he did it. He got me in a PM.

I am Ed Goble

You didn't have to out yourself. I wasn't going to.

Ah, it doesn't matter now. I am done with this exercise now. Hopefully it was a fun experience and a learning experience for some.

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:27 am

Alaris wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:21 am

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:19 am Nope sorry. The Creator either got me by my IP address or just a really good guess. Maybe he can tell us how he did it. He got me in a PM.

I am Ed Goble

Who?

Oh come on now.

LOL, you guys.

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 4:31 pm
While I understand the importance of caution when people come to you with big claims, I also understand that if it weren't for big claims then none of us would be on this forum discussing any of this relevant to the latter-day dispensation.

Some big claims are true. Some are false. Some true big claims are discounted and discarded. Some false big claims are accepted and elevated.

Joseph Smith made a big claim. Our missionaries make big claims. The President of the Church makes big claims. Jesus Christ makes big claims.

Some amount of caution is helpful, but too much of it leads to unbalanced skepticism or cynicism. That's as unhealthy as is being gullible.

Better to teach people how to judge a claim and the consequences for accepting big claims that are either true or false.

No need for a rehashing of the arguments in this thread. Just agree to disagree and move on.
Isn't "rehashing old arguments" exactly what you're doing here? I get the impression that you've done this before and then you returned cloak and dagger. If not, please forgive me. Well, please forgive me either way.

Yeah, I get it. The brethren this, the brethren that. You guys that disagree with me have put it a thousand ways about why you think you can walk away and preserve the dispensation, well meaning people on their own. That's like the well meaning people in D&C 132 who enter into covenants themselves without authority and without the holy spirit of promise. You can make covenants with yourselves, and presume to do it with your God outside of his order. Your authorities like Denver have no sealing power to seal, and no keys to open and shut. It doesn't matter what you think of the way the established Brethren lead. You cannot get away from the fact that they are the ones set to lead. Why would you put yourself in spiritual peril to hazard following after some claimant that has no authority? But again, that is your agency to use. Do with it what you must.
Who are you talking to in this part? Me? I understand authority, and I agree that President Nelson is God's authorized leader for His church. My point is that it's, "better to teach people how to judge a claim and the consequences for accepting big claims that are either true or false." I think of the church investigators who come on here and am equally concerned for those who read what you wrote as I am for those who read the stuff about false prophets in the church. For them, a missionary comes to their home and tells them a boy saw God and translated a book from an ancient language without any technical expertise, only with a tool provided by God and by His power. Big claims. The method to judge that claim is the same method to judge these other claims you're talking about. Or what? Are we expecting people to get revelation to join the church, but from that point on to stop believing in revelation? From that point on, they can just put their own relationship with God on hold, because now they have a church president who can make all their choices for them? There is a balance in this that the tension in debate often leads to a failure to discuss. Having a prophet doesn't absolve any of us of our individual responsibility to qualify for and receive revelation on a continuing basis. But neither does having access to revelation qualify us to "unseat" the church president. That's God's role.

I wasn't going to chime in here other than adding some levity.

However, there are some fantastic points in the above post.

Those who claim the brethren are the filter of truth aren't listening to them. President Nelson warned us we must learn to receive from the Holy Ghost to survive spiritually. That certainly sounds like big matters are on the horizon and the brethren themselves are preparing us to receive for ourselves by filling our own lamps with oil.

That said I agree with Ed about authority and hierarchy. I can't imagine how things will play out where we must rely on the Holy Ghost to survive spiritually within the confines of hierarchy, keys, and institution.

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:49 amHopefully it was a fun experience and a learning experience for some.

Although it would have been more of an experiment if you had played the long game, and made some far out claims to see how many defenders and keyboard warriors you could get on your side.

This guy has been stringing people along for what, 3 years?, and still hasn't provided any of the evidence he said he would.

And apparently some people still believe Mauricio Berger and the Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon are legit.

Could go on and on listing people..

The Creator wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:54 am

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 8:49 amHopefully it was a fun experience and a learning experience for some.

Although it would have been more of an experiment if you had played the long game, and made some far out claims to see how many defenders and keyboard warriors you could get on your side.

This guy has been stringing people along for what, 3 years?, and still hasn't provided any of the evidence he said he would.

And apparently some people still believe Mauricio Berger and the Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon are legit.

Could go on and on listing people..

very true. I just think that I didn't want to make a really huge production out of it. I just wanted to make a point.

I'm pretty surprised that John Pratt has fallen for Berger's claim.

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 10:04 am
Isn't "rehashing old arguments" exactly what you're doing here? I get the impression that you've done this before and then you returned cloak and dagger. If not, please forgive me. Well, please forgive me either way.

Who are you talking to in this part? Me? I understand authority, and I agree that President Nelson is God's authorized leader for His church. My point is that it's, "better to teach people how to judge a claim and the consequences for accepting big claims that are either true or false." I think of the church investigators who come on here and am equally concerned for those who read what you wrote as I am for those who read the stuff about false prophets in the church. For them, a missionary comes to their home and tells them a boy saw God and translated a book from an ancient language without any technical expertise, only with a tool provided by God and by His power. Big claims. The method to judge that claim is the same method to judge these other claims you're talking about. Or what? Are we expecting people to get revelation to join the church, but from that point on to stop believing in revelation? From that point on, they can just put their own relationship with God on hold, because now they have a church president who can make all their choices for them? There is a balance in this that the tension in debate often leads to a failure to discuss. Having a prophet doesn't absolve any of us of our individual responsibility to qualify for and receive revelation on a continuing basis. But neither does having access to revelation qualify us to "unseat" the church president. That's God's role.

If you think the "you" means you, then no. I am talking to a much bigger you than that. Those of you out there can carefully analyze what I said and take it or leave it, because it is simple.
If you think that I am saying that the Church President makes all of your choices for you, you are reading a lot more into what I'm saying that what I'm actually saying. Don't get offended, because we can be friends. If you disagree, I'm not going to argue with you. Go look up threads under "Ed Goble" where I used to argue with Snufferites and others. Now I am friends with Snufferites, and we respectfully disagree, and disagree in a friendly manner.

I leave this with you. If you have the Holy Ghost, you know what you should or ought to do. Take what I say, or leave it. I'm a guy behind a keyboard with no authority. Don't get offended. You will know how to come to a proper balance between Instututional and Personal revelation. You will come to know how Institutional revelation is a box within which Personal Revelation lives. You will know whether you are breaking a temple covenant by speaking evil of the Lord's anointed or not. You have intelligence to figure that one out. But I can tell you that there are MANY on this forum that are guilty of breaking that covenant, and think that they have the Holy Ghost to lead them in personal revelation, when for that simple reason, they do not. I solemnly warn you to repent if you have broken that covenant, so you will truly have the Spirit. If you don't like what I say, again, then just ignore me.

Thank you.

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:48 am

cab wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:34 am You'll be taken serious by a minority of us. Which is as good as you can probably ever hope for from any group.

Why is that? Isn't it enough to know that I know by a way I can't describe, that is too difficult to articulate? What evidence does anyone have that this information is not incredibly important as I say? Don't you want to know what it is?

I need a few good people to spread this important information, to act as what one might call, agents of the cause. Is there anyone out there that can help spread it? I'm looking for a few good people that could spread it to places like AVOW.

What evidence do you have that the information is incredibly important? You can easily say that it's important, but talk is cheap.

People on this forum don't really like AVOW, in general.

ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:00 pm

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:48 am

cab wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:34 am You'll be taken serious by a minority of us. Which is as good as you can probably ever hope for from any group.

Why is that? Isn't it enough to know that I know by a way I can't describe, that is too difficult to articulate? What evidence does anyone have that this information is not incredibly important as I say? Don't you want to know what it is?

I need a few good people to spread this important information, to act as what one might call, agents of the cause. Is there anyone out there that can help spread it? I'm looking for a few good people that could spread it to places like AVOW.

What evidence do you have that the information is incredibly important? You can easily say that it's important, but talk is cheap.

People on this forum don't really like AVOW, in general.

It would be good for you to read the last few comments on this thread. Thanks. You will see your answers.

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm I could have sold books under the hidden one.

Who is the hidden one?

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:02 pm

ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:00 pm

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:48 am

cab wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:34 am You'll be taken serious by a minority of us. Which is as good as you can probably ever hope for from any group.

Why is that? Isn't it enough to know that I know by a way I can't describe, that is too difficult to articulate? What evidence does anyone have that this information is not incredibly important as I say? Don't you want to know what it is?

I need a few good people to spread this important information, to act as what one might call, agents of the cause. Is there anyone out there that can help spread it? I'm looking for a few good people that could spread it to places like AVOW.

What evidence do you have that the information is incredibly important? You can easily say that it's important, but talk is cheap.

People on this forum don't really like AVOW, in general.

It would be good for you to read the last few comments on this thread. Thanks. You will see your answers.

I read your message. Thank you for sharing it. I do not follow those false prophets.

ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:00 pmWhat evidence do you have that the information is incredibly important? You can easily say that it's important, but talk is cheap.

I've known HoodedAnon "the hidden one", aka The Unseen One, for about 13 years now. I can vouch for him. I trust him. The information he shares is incredibly important and it is the truth. His recently published book has opened my eyes to the truth in ways I never expected.

ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:05 pm

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm I could have sold books under the hidden one.

Who is the hidden one?

I'm just saying that this persona I invented for this trick/experiment, the hooded Anonymous one, the hidden one, is the same persona.

The most important fruit I've come to find that determines someone as a prophet, is that they continually point to Jesus for salvation and direction. If anyone or any institution claims themselves as THE one, or that they are THE prophet, and sets up stakes, and tell you to trust in them and rely on them for guidance and salvation, I know exactly who or what they are. Use the gift and spirit of discernment. Revelation is key. God is good and is mighty to save.

As for an actual piece of meat to chew on, I leave you guys with my latest research:

http://pragmaticrestorationist.blogspot ... evant.html

Thanks.

The Creator wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:11 pm

ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:00 pmWhat evidence do you have that the information is incredibly important? You can easily say that it's important, but talk is cheap.

I've known HoodedAnon "the hidden one", aka The Unseen One, for about 13 years now. I can vouch for him. I trust him. The information he shares is incredibly important and it is the truth. His recently published book has opened my eyes to the truth in ways I never expected.

You totally got me on that one. His book looks incredible. I’m never going to give up trying to figure out who he is.

True wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 3:10 pm

The Creator wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:11 pm

ori wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:00 pmWhat evidence do you have that the information is incredibly important? You can easily say that it's important, but talk is cheap.

I've known HoodedAnon "the hidden one", aka The Unseen One, for about 13 years now. I can vouch for him. I trust him. The information he shares is incredibly important and it is the truth. His recently published book has opened my eyes to the truth in ways I never expected.

You totally got me on that one. His book looks incredible. I’m never going to give up trying to figure out who he is.

I hope you never let me down on your quest.

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:21 pm As for an actual piece of meat to chew on, I leave you guys with my latest research:

http://pragmaticrestorationist.blogspot ... evant.html

Thanks.

Names, colors, and astronomy are key indicators of one termed the Davidic Servant.

Blood , but not red. dbnp

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑February 7th, 2020, 4:54 am

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 6th, 2020, 1:21 pm As for an actual piece of meat to chew on, I leave you guys with my latest research:

http://pragmaticrestorationist.blogspot ... evant.html

Thanks.

Names, colors, and astronomy are key indicators of one termed the Davidic Servant.

Blood , but not red. dbnp

Hmm. Never heard from of such a thing. .please.elaborate.