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Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:05 pm**

Trucker wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:02 pm Me, of you

Of me? What of me?

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:08 pm**

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:59 pm Mental illness? There is nothing that you have to judge by to judge the state of my mind.

Oh Hooded one, the enigma by which I judge you judging others for judging will likely always be a mystery.

Mental illness has spread abroad - and takes various forms, especially rooted in group thought be it religious or ideological.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:11 pm**

Thinker wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:08 pm Oh Hooded one, the enigma by which I judge you judging others for judging will likely always be a mystery. Mental illness has spread abroad - and takes various forms, especially rooted in group thought be it religious or ideological.

Alright. The time has come. Stay tuned for the next message.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:23 pm**

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:11 pm Alright. The time has come.

...

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm**

Thank you for your time in reading my message. Some of you might be disappointed at the simpleness of my message, but I can guarantee that it is very important.

I give most of the credit to the people that were using their discernment and skepticism. Good job.
It was my hope that this would be an exercise in skepticism of people that come to you, offering you some kind of snake oil.

I introduced my persona as what I detest, to get people to think.

Now, what would have happened if I had gone on with the charade? I could have become the next Julie Rowe. I could have become the next Denver Snuffer. I could have become the next Spencer. I could have sold books under the hidden one. I could have gotten some of you to be in a cult of sorts.

Brigham Young once said something to the effect that he could show you a box within a box, and yet further boxes, until in the last box, there is a piece of wood. That my friends, he said, is the Man's Masonry. I submit to you that that is the exact same thing with the culture of the mystery and the awe of near death experienced claimants and prophets who offer you another way to Salvation made Sure, other than simple obedience to commandments, and reverence to the keys of the priesthood held by those who are set in place to lead you with the mantle, and simple endurance to the end. If you want calling and election made sure, I can guarantee you that it will get it perhaps even in this life if you pray for it. But you won't get it by following people who make big claims.

I have been gone for a while, but I am back. This is my new persona that I will be posting under on this forum. Many of you know me already, but I want a fresh start here.

Thanks for your attention to this important message.
My identity will remain hidden, but I have posted this type of thing before. But now I will ask those of you who will help me to spread my message to AVOW, and ask them to stop following snake oil salesmen. Tell them of this exercise in discernment and skepticism, and how people like Julie Rowe and Spencer have bamboozled them.

Some of you have seen the fruits now of the Daybells. And you know what they have become.

Thanks.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:44 pm**

Trucker wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:51 pm
HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:23 pm
Durzan wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:14 pm It is what it is. Are you gonna give us your message or not?
Patience. The time is coming shortly. I can feel it.
Booo. I think you are trying to be the Q of LDS Freedom Forum.

I'm out.

Hey. That's my job.

Don't go giving the new guy a title and reputation he hasn't earned yet.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:52 pm**

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:02 am Hello. I would like to introduce myself. I am the Hidden Anonymous one, the Unseen One.

I have what I think is some inside information that I want to tell you all about that I am kind of afraid to, information that seems to be hidden to the public in general, information that I have sensed or come upon in a way that is really difficult to describe and articulate. I'm not sure that it would be wise to share it. Can I trust the people of this forum? Or is this another one of these places where I won't be taken seriously, unless I have had a near death experience, or dreams or visions to validate me as some kind of an authority figure or something? It is really difficult to describe to you how I know what I know. All I can really say is that I know it. This is really important information. And I'm hoping that I can trust a few select people to help me carry this burden.

Thanks.

HoodedAnon

I have been burdened / blessed with the gift of ALWAYS immediately knowing if what somebody says is true or false.

I’m anxiously awaiting to hear what you have to say.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:56 pm**

As someone who's shared dreams and visions on this forum, I was still attacked because I basically wasnt an apostle or prophet, and then even they're attacked alot here.
Honestly you can pm me, but i dont have an account on avow. Sorry.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:57 pm**

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm ...stop following snake oil salesmen. Tell them of this exercise in discernment and skepticism, and how people like Julie Rowe and Spencer have bamboozled them.

Good one! You got me - though I did think you were messing with us - just from a different angle. I also hope people are more careful about deceptive attempts.

Some would say the lds corporations is bamboozling - only on a bigger scale so it seems ok because “everyone’s doing it.”

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 3:59 pm**

DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:52 pm
HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:02 am Hello. I would like to introduce myself. I am the Hidden Anonymous one, the Unseen One.

I have what I think is some inside information that I want to tell you all about that I am kind of afraid to, information that seems to be hidden to the public in general, information that I have sensed or come upon in a way that is really difficult to describe and articulate. I'm not sure that it would be wise to share it. Can I trust the people of this forum? Or is this another one of these places where I won't be taken seriously, unless I have had a near death experience, or dreams or visions to validate me as some kind of an authority figure or something? It is really difficult to describe to you how I know what I know. All I can really say is that I know it. This is really important information. And I'm hoping that I can trust a few select people to help me carry this burden.

Thanks.

HoodedAnon
I have been burdened / blessed with the gift of ALWAYS immediately knowing if what somebody says is true or false.

I’m anxiously awaiting to hear what you have to say.

He already said it. And it was both hilarious and a good point well made.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 4:05 pm**

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm Thank you for your time in reading my message. Some of you might be disappointed at the simpleness of my message, but I can guarantee that it is very important.

I give most of the credit to the people that were using their discernment and skepticism. Good job.
It was my hope that this would be an exercise in skepticism of people that come to you, offering you some kind of snake oil.

I introduced my persona as what I detest, to get people to think.

Now, what would have happened if I had gone on with the charade? I could have become the next Julie Rowe. I could have become the next Denver Snuffer. I could have become the next Spencer. I could have sold books under the hidden one. I could have gotten some of you to be in a cult of sorts.

Brigham Young once said something to the effect that he could show you a box within a box, and yet further boxes, until in the last box, there is a piece of wood. That my friends, he said, is the Man's Masonry. I submit to you that that is the exact same thing with the culture of the mystery and the awe of near death experienced claimants and prophets who offer you another way to Salvation made Sure, other than simple obedience to commandments, and reverence to the keys of the priesthood held by those who are set in place to lead you with the mantle, and simple endurance to the end. If you want calling and election made sure, I can guarantee you that it will get it perhaps even in this life if you pray for it. But you won't get it by following people who make big claims.

I have been gone for a while, but I am back. This is my new persona that I will be posting under on this forum. Many of you know me already, but I want a fresh start here.

Thanks for your attention to this important message.
My identity will remain hidden, but I have posted this type of thing before. But now I will ask those of you who will help me to spread my message to AVOW, and ask them to stop following snake oil salesmen. Tell them of this exercise in discernment and skepticism, and how people like Julie Rowe and Spencer have bamboozled them.

Some of you have seen the fruits now of the Daybells. And you know what they have become.

Thanks.

I try to be open ears to anyone with a message to declare. I try to not put God in a box. I try to always assume that everything I think I know is incomplete or incorrect.

Having said that, I feel I can judge your fruit now. I feel I can see your faulty premise now. You are judging those like Spencer and others by putting God and his processes in a box (not saying that I believe them - by I'm certainly not saying that God can't work through such a character)...

Would you have believed such characters as Lehi, Jeremiah, Samuel the Lamanite, Joseph Smith, or Jesus in their day? How can you possibly say that you wouldn't have rejected their messages out of hand? Are God's messengers confined to an "established channel"?

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 4:17 pm**

DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:52 pm
HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 9:02 am Hello. I would like to introduce myself. I am the Hidden Anonymous one, the Unseen One.

I have what I think is some inside information that I want to tell you all about that I am kind of afraid to, information that seems to be hidden to the public in general, information that I have sensed or come upon in a way that is really difficult to describe and articulate. I'm not sure that it would be wise to share it. Can I trust the people of this forum? Or is this another one of these places where I won't be taken seriously, unless I have had a near death experience, or dreams or visions to validate me as some kind of an authority figure or something? It is really difficult to describe to you how I know what I know. All I can really say is that I know it. This is really important information. And I'm hoping that I can trust a few select people to help me carry this burden.

Thanks.

HoodedAnon
I have been burdened / blessed with the gift of ALWAYS immediately knowing if what somebody says is true or false.

For sure

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 4:24 pm**

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm Thank you for your time in reading my message. Some of you might be disappointed at the simpleness of my message, but I can guarantee that it is very important.

I have been gone for a while, but I am back. This is my new persona that I will be posting under on this forum. Many of you know me already, but I want a fresh start here.

...I will ask those of you who will help me to spread my message to AVOW, and ask them to stop following snake oil salesmen. Tell them of this exercise in discernment and skepticism, and how people like Julie Rowe and Spencer have bamboozled them.

Now let's see who will be the first to correctly guess who this mysterious new user was. To the winner I will give you a signed copy of my upcoming book titled: "End Time Predictions for 2020 and Beyond: An Insiders View on the LDS Church Plans for the Call Out, Tent Cities, 2nd Coming of Christ, and more"

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 4:31 pm**

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm
I give most of the credit to the people that were using their discernment and skepticism. Good job.
It was my hope that this would be an exercise in skepticism of people that come to you, offering you some kind of snake oil.

I introduced my persona as what I detest, to get people to think.
...

If you want calling and election made sure, I can guarantee you that it will get it perhaps even in this life if you pray for it. But you won't get it by following people who make big claims.

...

Some of you have seen the fruits now of the Daybells. And you know what they have become.

While I understand the importance of caution when people come to you with big claims, I also understand that if it weren't for big claims then none of us would be on this forum discussing any of this relevant to the latter-day dispensation.

Some big claims are true. Some are false. Some true big claims are discounted and discarded. Some false big claims are accepted and elevated.

Joseph Smith made a big claim. Our missionaries make big claims. The President of the Church makes big claims. Jesus Christ makes big claims.

Some amount of caution is helpful, but too much of it leads to unbalanced skepticism or cynicism. That's as unhealthy as is being gullible.

Better to teach people how to judge a claim and the consequences for accepting big claims that are either true or false.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 4:36 pm**

The Creator wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 4:24 pm
HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm Thank you for your time in reading my message. Some of you might be disappointed at the simpleness of my message, but I can guarantee that it is very important.

I have been gone for a while, but I am back. This is my new persona that I will be posting under on this forum. Many of you know me already, but I want a fresh start here.

...I will ask those of you who will help me to spread my message to AVOW, and ask them to stop following snake oil salesmen. Tell them of this exercise in discernment and skepticism, and how people like Julie Rowe and Spencer have bamboozled them.
Now let's see who will be the first to correctly guess who this mysterious new user was. To the winner I will give you a signed copy of my upcoming book titled: "End Time Predictions for 2020 and Beyond: An Insiders View on the LDS Church Plans for the Call Out, Tent Cities, 2nd Coming of Christ, and more"

My guess is wikiwojo or whatever his name was

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 5:03 pm**

The Creator wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 4:24 pm
HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm Thank you for your time in reading my message. Some of you might be disappointed at the simpleness of my message, but I can guarantee that it is very important.

I have been gone for a while, but I am back. This is my new persona that I will be posting under on this forum. Many of you know me already, but I want a fresh start here.

...I will ask those of you who will help me to spread my message to AVOW, and ask them to stop following snake oil salesmen. Tell them of this exercise in discernment and skepticism, and how people like Julie Rowe and Spencer have bamboozled them.
Now let's see who will be the first to correctly guess who this mysterious new user was. To the winner I will give you a signed copy of my upcoming book titled: "End Time Predictions for 2020 and Beyond: An Insiders View on the LDS Church Plans for the Call Out, Tent Cities, 2nd Coming of Christ, and more"

I’m guessing either Celestial Angel or his second incarnation from England/Singapore or Michael Sherwin.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 5:18 pm**

lds anarchist

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 5:49 pm**

The Creator wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 4:24 pm
HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm Thank you for your time in reading my message. Some of you might be disappointed at the simpleness of my message, but I can guarantee that it is very important.

I have been gone for a while, but I am back. This is my new persona that I will be posting under on this forum. Many of you know me already, but I want a fresh start here.

...I will ask those of you who will help me to spread my message to AVOW, and ask them to stop following snake oil salesmen. Tell them of this exercise in discernment and skepticism, and how people like Julie Rowe and Spencer have bamboozled them.
Now let's see who will be the first to correctly guess who this mysterious new user was. To the winner I will give you a signed copy of my upcoming book titled: "End Time Predictions for 2020 and Beyond: An Insiders View on the LDS Church Plans for the Call Out, Tent Cities, 2nd Coming of Christ, and more"

My guess is brlenox.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 6:43 pm**

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:43 pm
True wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 2:36 pm It’s not too early to see his fruits. They’re hanging out all over the place.
Is that so? Help me out. What are my fruits so far?

I was trying to be kind and not respond because my head was about to explode like Nancy Pelosi’s last night. People that come on with what I imagine is a dungeons and dragons persona, making claims of special knowledge, refusing to reveal all they know and by what source with ties to AVOW usually have mental problems. I didn’t want to say anything that might trigger you to commit harm on yourself or others or further mess with your mental state.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 8:07 pm**

True wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 6:43 pmPeople that come on with what I imagine is a dungeons and dragons persona, making claims of special knowledge, refusing to reveal all they know and by what source with ties to AVOW usually have mental problems.

That's an interesting way to think about it. I'm sure there is some truth in that reference for all of us, to some extent. Our online persona can easily be very different from our real life character sheet.

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 8:28 pm**

True wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 5:03 pm
The Creator wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 4:24 pm
HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm Thank you for your time in reading my message. Some of you might be disappointed at the simpleness of my message, but I can guarantee that it is very important.

I have been gone for a while, but I am back. This is my new persona that I will be posting under on this forum. Many of you know me already, but I want a fresh start here.

...I will ask those of you who will help me to spread my message to AVOW, and ask them to stop following snake oil salesmen. Tell them of this exercise in discernment and skepticism, and how people like Julie Rowe and Spencer have bamboozled them.
Now let's see who will be the first to correctly guess who this mysterious new user was. To the winner I will give you a signed copy of my upcoming book titled: "End Time Predictions for 2020 and Beyond: An Insiders View on the LDS Church Plans for the Call Out, Tent Cities, 2nd Coming of Christ, and more"
I’m guessing either Celestial Angel or his second incarnation from England/Singapore or Michael Sherwin.

Haha, my initial guess was Michael Sherwin, but he hasn't been away too long... he kinda comes and goes, but not very far. Maybe Finrock or Jesef?

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 10:46 pm**

Author111?

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 11:07 pm**

The Creator wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 4:24 pm Now let's see who will be the first to correctly guess who this mysterious new user was. To the winner I will give you a signed copy of my upcoming book titled: "End Time Predictions for 2020 and Beyond: An Insiders View on the LDS Church Plans for the Call Out, Tent Cities, 2nd Coming of Christ, and more"

Amonhi?

Posted: **February 5th, 2020, 11:08 pm**

HoodedAnon wrote: ↑February 5th, 2020, 3:38 pm But now I will ask those of you who will help me to spread my message to AVOW, and ask them to stop following snake oil salesmen.

Why can't you do it yourself?

Posted: **February 6th, 2020, 12:19 am**

Masquerade
Paper faces on parade
Masquerade
Hide your face so the world will never find you

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