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nightlight wrote: ↑January 25th, 2020, 10:54 pm We can't remember our past.....we can't see the forces that surround us....our intellect is handicapped.....our garments(bodies)are subject to decay

Yes, we live in a type of simulation aka The Veil

Robin Hood wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 1:34 am The Matrix is real.

TylerDurden wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 2:44 am Here’s the fruit of this simulation theory by Bostrum.

“Bostrum is still thinking and talking about the fraught relationship between humans and computers: In a speech at this year's TED conference, he put forward the frightening idea that humanity could destroy itself with a technology of our own creation.

Bostrom went on to suggest that the way to save us from ourselves is simple: mass surveillance using AI.”

[email protected] wrote: ↑January 25th, 2020, 10:05 pm I am leaning more and more to this conclusion. For those unfamiliar with this theory:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... ion-2019-4

Between the double slit experiment and NDEs (near death experiences) being described as "more real than real" the idea that we are all living in a type of "computer simulation" seems not only less and less silly to me, but more and more likely.

What say you about this idea?

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 4:04 pm So when we're resurrected, we get thrown back into the matrix? No thanks, I'll pass.

larsenb wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 4:24 pm

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 4:04 pm So when we're resurrected, we get thrown back into the matrix? No thanks, I'll pass.

But what exactly is the matrix? And how might our intelligences/spirits be integrated into or interact with such? The apparent reality of non-localized space (essentially a timeless domain) certainly corresponds with the the scriptural assertion that "time only is measured unto men" (Alma 40:8).

Then think on the strange things Jesus could do with his resurrected body (apparently going through walls; appearing, disappearing, etc.)

mahalanobis wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 4:50 pm

larsenb wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 4:24 pm

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 4:04 pm So when we're resurrected, we get thrown back into the matrix? No thanks, I'll pass.

But what exactly is the matrix? And how might our intelligences/spirits be integrated into or interact with such? The apparent reality of non-localized space (essentially a timeless domain) certainly corresponds with the the scriptural assertion that "time only is measured unto men" (Alma 40:8).

Then think on the strange things Jesus could do with his resurrected body (apparently going through walls; appearing, disappearing, etc.)

Once we go hyper-hypothetical regarding the interaction of the two realities, it's safe to stop using the word simulation. And suddenly I'm back on board.

abijah` wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 5:03 pm sound video -

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i think in the beginning satan nudged eve's understanding to the reality that her and adam do reside in a simulation and their need to eat a certain fruit to transcend it to where god is. which was true, only she was deceived by taking it from the wrong hands. now i think maybe we're in a poisoned simulation, a matrix of sickness ruled by a tyrant oppressor. i think the unfolding of the heavens like a scroll, the new heaven & new earth is the destruction of this tainted matrix and it being replaced by god's reality. perhaps this is "the day of the lord" when only those prepared can abide the day of his coming.

i think god's transcended spiritual plane of reality is that of information, which is why when we communicate with spirits, its with thoughts.

i think when we literally perform the things we merely view & act out in our endowment ceremonies, we will find ourselves on an entirely new plane of reality, one of information, the underlying written code for our physical universe. we will find ourselves not to be merely acted upon forces and limitations, but empowered to make things limited only by our imagination. to be a king and priest perhaps?

however apparently its possible for wickedness to lay hold on a perverted form of this, and each time god personally intervened to make sure it didn't happen, first with the flood and then with scattering the languages and divvying up the nations according to the number of the sons of god -

gen 6
The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

gen 11
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

the kingdom of god is within you.

abijah` wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 5:03 pm sound video -

edit(s):

i think in the beginning satan nudged eve's understanding to the reality that her and adam do reside in a simulation and their need to eat a certain fruit to transcend it to where god is. which was true, only she was deceived by taking it from the wrong hands. now i think maybe we're in a poisoned simulation, a matrix of sickness ruled by a tyrant oppressor. i think the unfolding of the heavens like a scroll, the new heaven & new earth is the destruction of this tainted matrix and it being replaced by god's reality. perhaps this is "the day of the lord" when only those prepared can abide the day of his coming.

i think god's transcended spiritual plane of reality is that of information, which is why when we communicate with spirits, its with thoughts.

i think when we literally perform the things we merely view & act out in our endowment ceremonies, we will find ourselves on an entirely new plane of reality, one of information, the underlying written code for our physical universe. we will find ourselves not to be merely acted upon forces and limitations, but empowered to make things limited only by our imagination. to be a king and priest perhaps?

however apparently its possible for wickedness to lay hold on a perverted form of this, and each time god personally intervened to make sure it didn't happen, first with the flood and then with scattering the languages and divvying up the nations according to the number of the sons of god -

gen 6
The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

gen 11
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

the kingdom of god is within you.

Joel wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2017, 12:46 pm Questioning The Nature of Reality With Cognitive Scientist Donald Hoffman: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 18#p754118

ori wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 9:32 pm sim·u·la·tion
/ˌsimyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: simulation; plural noun: simulations
imitation of a situation or process.
"simulation of blood flowing through arteries and veins"
the action of pretending; deception.
"clever simulation that's good enough to trick you"
the production of a computer model of something, especially for the purpose of study.
"the method was tested by computer simulation"


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Doubt God would need to use a computer, at least not like anything we would call a computer. Also, “simulation” suggests unreality. Sounds like something Satan would teach , to me. He would want us to think out life isn’t real, or subject to any consequences.

So I’m going to push back on the idea. Hard. Elon Musk thinks we live in a simulation. But he is an engineering genius, not a religious leader or philosopher. I think he’s just completely wrong.

Before you dismiss me, I do understand the delayed choice experiment, and other quantum experiments, etc. And I can’t explain them. But simulation or many-worlds theory, I just can’t buy. They both seem like sophistry, doctrines of the world, and spirituality dangerous to me.

mahalanobis wrote: ↑January 27th, 2020, 5:55 am

ori wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 9:32 pm sim·u·la·tion
/ˌsimyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: simulation; plural noun: simulations
imitation of a situation or process.
"simulation of blood flowing through arteries and veins"
the action of pretending; deception.
"clever simulation that's good enough to trick you"
the production of a computer model of something, especially for the purpose of study.
"the method was tested by computer simulation"


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Doubt God would need to use a computer, at least not like anything we would call a computer. Also, “simulation” suggests unreality. Sounds like something Satan would teach , to me. He would want us to think out life isn’t real, or subject to any consequences.

So I’m going to push back on the idea. Hard. Elon Musk thinks we live in a simulation. But he is an engineering genius, not a religious leader or philosopher. I think he’s just completely wrong.

Before you dismiss me, I do understand the delayed choice experiment, and other quantum experiments, etc. And I can’t explain them. But simulation or many-worlds theory, I just can’t buy. They both seem like sophistry, doctrines of the world, and spirituality dangerous to me.

To a person possessed by the idea that nothing is real, right and wrong will blur. Mass murder becomes a means to an end (to them). Everything is a "construct" that is just getting in the way.

We've seen this in the "massively online multiplayer" video games. Especially the ones that are "open world" games. A guy can labor all day mining and building a shelter, then somebody else comes along, befriends the guy, only to stab him in the back and steal his gold. But it's not considered a sin because it's "just a game". Similar observations can be made with the Grand Theft Auto games where people have no hesitation to murder and steal.

nightlight wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 10:10 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 1:34 am The Matrix is real.

Yes...the matrix of our mother's womb

larsenb wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 4:24 pm

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 4:04 pm So when we're resurrected, we get thrown back into the matrix? No thanks, I'll pass.

But what exactly is the matrix? And how might our intelligences/spirits be integrated into or interact with such? The apparent reality of non-localized space (essentially a timeless domain) certainly corresponds with the the scriptural assertion that "time only is measured unto men" (Alma 40:8).

Then think on the strange things Jesus could do with his resurrected body (apparently going through walls; appearing, disappearing, etc.)

gkearney wrote: ↑January 27th, 2020, 6:56 am

mahalanobis wrote: ↑January 27th, 2020, 5:55 am

ori wrote: ↑January 26th, 2020, 9:32 pm sim·u·la·tion
/ˌsimyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: simulation; plural noun: simulations
imitation of a situation or process.
"simulation of blood flowing through arteries and veins"
the action of pretending; deception.
"clever simulation that's good enough to trick you"
the production of a computer model of something, especially for the purpose of study.
"the method was tested by computer simulation"


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Doubt God would need to use a computer, at least not like anything we would call a computer. Also, “simulation” suggests unreality. Sounds like something Satan would teach , to me. He would want us to think out life isn’t real, or subject to any consequences.

So I’m going to push back on the idea. Hard. Elon Musk thinks we live in a simulation. But he is an engineering genius, not a religious leader or philosopher. I think he’s just completely wrong.

Before you dismiss me, I do understand the delayed choice experiment, and other quantum experiments, etc. And I can’t explain them. But simulation or many-worlds theory, I just can’t buy. They both seem like sophistry, doctrines of the world, and spirituality dangerous to me.

To a person possessed by the idea that nothing is real, right and wrong will blur. Mass murder becomes a means to an end (to them). Everything is a "construct" that is just getting in the way.

We've seen this in the "massively online multiplayer" video games. Especially the ones that are "open world" games. A guy can labor all day mining and building a shelter, then somebody else comes along, befriends the guy, only to stab him in the back and steal his gold. But it's not considered a sin because it's "just a game". Similar observations can be made with the Grand Theft Auto games where people have no hesitation to murder and steal.

I agree, it is this kind of thinking that leads to the murderous genocide of Hitler, Stalin and other bloodstained dictators. All they have to do is to convince people, and it seems frightfully easy to do so, that such as person is "just a jew, gypsy, homosexual" or what have you, no need to concern yourself with them. Hitler and his henchmen were able to lead the well educated and cultured people of Germany down a path of mass murder all too easily. Read the pages of Der Stürmer to see how it was done.

Think that it can't happen now, guess again. Pol Pot killed millions of Cambodians because they did not meet his standard of political correctness. America systematically killed Native Americans, lynched Negros, interned our own citizens of Japanese decent and even now put children in cages at the border. It is far to easy to get people to think of them as the "others".

The veneer of civilization is very thin and dismissing this life as nothing more that a simulation will give licence for the most vile sorts of actions against those "others". Why not kill them, it just a "simulation" after all?