Temple clothing change?

[johnBob]

I'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!

And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.

And your point is?

If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.

Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.

Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.

How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?

Yes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.

India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo

Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo

Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo

I could go on and on and on....

Sarah, you are damaged or something that you might need counseling for. You equate men with everything wrong in the world. At every post, you are posting horrific things about men. Are there bad guys out there, absolutely. Are there bad women? Yes. I could post stories of women who murdered their children. What good would that do though? What would it prove?

The patriarchal order is one established by God and is the mode of government in the Heavens. No matter how much the feminists cry about it or how shrill their voice gets complaining about it, this will never change. You might as well complain about water being wet for all the good it would do. Please understand that there is good and bad with all people, and some bad apples does not disqualify God's government.

I don't equate all evil with men. I know lots of evil women, and women sell their daughters to be sex-slaves as well. I have thousands of posts on this forum and started many threads, and you go check that out what I've written and then tell me that all I do is post horrific things about men. I think that you guys don't like to hear anything bad about men. It makes you feel threatened.

No, no, no. Let's review how the conversation got to this point-you don't get out of this that easy.
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:"Man hasn’t ruled over woman for a while now. Once women have their desire towards their husband (men please don’t misunderstand this thing you do not understand) removed then the curse will be lifted."

Sarah:"Maybe not in western nations, but in pretty much all of Asia and Africa, women have very few rights protected.
Me: "Like the ability to kill their offspring?
Yeah that's a great win for God.
Sarah:"I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything."
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You stated women in other countries don't have the same women's right. Well one of the main feminists 'rights" is the "right" to kill offspring.

Is it not?

You could have very easily at ANY POINT IN TIME, simply stated-yes I agree that's a horrible thing, women shouldn't kill their offspring. However, instead of AGREEING WITH ME!!!! you made the decision to "contend' with me.

Instead of simply saying-"yeah that's despicable, women shouldn't do that, they also shouldn't be sold into slavery."

I would have said-yeah we can agree on that! But no, no, no,no,no you didn't do that. You had a POINT to make, and that point was MEN ARE BAD. You can't even agree with a man for pete's sake b/c MEN ARE BAD!!

In order to drive your point home you have started this argument, simply to reinforce your worldview that MEN ARE BAD.
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This is exactly what feminism brings-horrible, horrible contention simply because women feel the need to disagree to reinforce their point that MEN ARE BAD.

You could have simply agreed with me ages ago and we would be singing kumbayaa!

[johnBob]

Well you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.

You sure put your head in the sand when it involves the murder of children by women.

You'll go cry and moan about all those poor women being sold into slavery and sex abuse in India, Africa, Yemen but you won't bat an eyelash at the millions upon millions MURDERED here in your own land-specifically by WOMEN.

Is this really the game you want to play?

Of course, I'm sure in typical victimhood feminist fashion-you'll turn around and blame all those murders on men. Because it's always got to be the MAN's fault-heaven forbid a feminist ever look deep in their own soul!

Hey, let’s not be a bully.

Well then let's not try to catch me with words.

When I said fathers don't sell their children into slavery and then you say "yeah they do, here, I'll show you". That's an extremely immature conversation where one is simply trying to "one-up" the other instead of having a conversation.

Of course I know SOME fathers do despicable things. Some fathers kill their families too . . .but it's also true statement when I say "father's don't kill their families".

Is there an excuse for being a bully?
Yes, women are having abortions and most if not all here are on agreement that it is murder and simply horrible. Women who are not past feeling are deeply bothered and saddened even thinking about abortion and I know I would be willing to raise and be a mother to any of them instead of them being destroyed by their own mother, and every woman I know feels the same way.

Is there an excuse for attempting to dispute your fellow man at every cause simply to make a point that somewhere someplace on the globe women are treated horribly?

[Sarah]

I'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.

Well you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.

You sure put your head in the sand when it involves the murder of children by women.

You'll go cry and moan about all those poor women being sold into slavery and sex abuse in India, Africa, Yemen but you won't bat an eyelash at the millions upon millions MURDERED here in your own land-specifically by WOMEN.

Is this really the game you want to play?

Of course, I'm sure in typical victimhood feminist fashion-you'll turn around and blame all those murders on men. Because it's always got to be the MAN's fault-heaven forbid a feminist ever look deep in their own soul!

Hello! I don't put my head in the sand. I realize that women kill their own babies, and if you would have denied it like you denied fathers being awful to their daughters, than I would have corrected you.

No, you are bent on making the case that men are horrible, despicable creatures.

Sorry, but that is not my goal at all. My goal is to help men and women be happy, and to be happy you have to treat each other with respect and unselfishness. The Lord has declared that the majority of men who receive power and authority will exercise unrighteous dominion. And I realize that as a mother that I exercise unrighteous dominion too often over my children. I am trying to learn from that just like men should learn how to not do so with their wives and children. Children grow up, and they don't need to be commanded by their parents anymore. Parents don't preside and command their children after they grow up. And I think men need to allow their wives to grow up, acknowledge that Eve has paid a hefty price for her disobedience, and should not longer be placed in a position of disadvantage and dutiful obedience to a man who is prone to be unrighteous. I'm not arguing against a man presiding here or in eternity, but if that man equates presiding to "my wife will always obey me and I am under no obligation to obey her" then he needs to wake up to a higher way of thinking and the higher laws our Father wants to give us.

[MMbelieve]

jeremiah 31

How long will you go about, O you backsliding daughter? for the LORD has created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall protect a man.

“Protect a man to compass a man”

I was looking into this yesterday to try to understand what it means. I came across an interesting idea that it may mean in these later times or days that Gods people will come and seek him instead of how it has always been done previously where He has plead with, protected, and sought out his people.

Not sure if that is what is intended or not.

Recently we have (as women) been told that we are the moral compass and also that we need to keep our morality or else the world will essentially be lost and never recover.

This verse could be stating that women will indeed be guiding men.

The wording for Eve in the scriptures towards Adam is the same word God uses in the scriptures when he references Himself towards his people. To protect and save them. I can definitely see this as the case.

[Sarah]

Yes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.

India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo

Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo

Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo

I could go on and on and on....

Sarah, you are damaged or something that you might need counseling for. You equate men with everything wrong in the world. At every post, you are posting horrific things about men. Are there bad guys out there, absolutely. Are there bad women? Yes. I could post stories of women who murdered their children. What good would that do though? What would it prove?

The patriarchal order is one established by God and is the mode of government in the Heavens. No matter how much the feminists cry about it or how shrill their voice gets complaining about it, this will never change. You might as well complain about water being wet for all the good it would do. Please understand that there is good and bad with all people, and some bad apples does not disqualify God's government.

I don't equate all evil with men. I know lots of evil women, and women sell their daughters to be sex-slaves as well. I have thousands of posts on this forum and started many threads, and you go check that out what I've written and then tell me that all I do is post horrific things about men. I think that you guys don't like to hear anything bad about men. It makes you feel threatened.

No, no, no. Let's review how the conversation got to this point-you don't get out of this that easy.
------------------------
:"Man hasn’t ruled over woman for a while now. Once women have their desire towards their husband (men please don’t misunderstand this thing you do not understand) removed then the curse will be lifted."

Sarah:"Maybe not in western nations, but in pretty much all of Asia and Africa, women have very few rights protected.
Me: "Like the ability to kill their offspring?
Yeah that's a great win for God.
Sarah:"I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything."
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You stated women in other countries don't have the same women's right. Well one of the main feminists 'rights" is the "right" to kill offspring.

Is it not?

You could have very easily at ANY POINT IN TIME, simply stated-yes I agree that's a horrible thing, women shouldn't kill their offspring. However, instead of AGREEING WITH ME!!!! you made the decision to "contend' with me.

Instead of simply saying-"yeah that's despicable, women shouldn't do that, they also shouldn't be sold into slavery."

I would have said-yeah we can agree on that! But no, no, no,no,no you didn't do that. You had a POINT to make, and that point was MEN ARE BAD. You can't even agree with a man for pete's sake b/c MEN ARE BAD!!

In order to drive your point home you have started this argument, simply to reinforce your worldview that MEN ARE BAD.
-----------

This is exactly what feminism brings-horrible, horrible contention simply because women feel the need to disagree to reinforce their point that MEN ARE BAD.

You could have simply agreed with me ages ago and we would be singing kumbayaa!

Well, it's a given that abortion is bad, and I never denied it like you were denying father's selling their daughters, so that's why I ignored it because I saw it as a way for you to deflect back to how women are so bad when I was simply pointing out a fact about other countries. It was irrelevant to my comment. You took it as an accusation of "all men are bad" when that is not what I said.

And actually, in many of these countries where women have no rights, the women have forced abortions.

[pho·to·syn·the·sis]

Women have the disadvantage in this life that we are weaker in body and in our ability to produce children. It is part of Eve's punishment,

Is that really a disadvantage? Producing and nurturing children a disadvantage and punishment? Our heavenly parents have a lot of titles, king and queens, Priest and priestesses and many others. Nevertheless, we call them Mother and Father. It could also be said "men have the disadvantage in this life, that we are stronger in body and in our ability to labor and protect our families, communities and nations, even unto death"; it is part of Adams punishment. Is being a mother a punishment? Is being a provider/ protector a punishment?

I'll be honest, these sentiments seem to echo feminist claptraps.

[MMbelieve]

Hey, let’s not be a bully.

Well then let's not try to catch me with words.

When I said fathers don't sell their children into slavery and then you say "yeah they do, here, I'll show you". That's an extremely immature conversation where one is simply trying to "one-up" the other instead of having a conversation.

Of course I know SOME fathers do despicable things. Some fathers kill their families too . . .but it's also true statement when I say "father's don't kill their families".

Is there an excuse for being a bully?
Yes, women are having abortions and most if not all here are on agreement that it is murder and simply horrible. Women who are not past feeling are deeply bothered and saddened even thinking about abortion and I know I would be willing to raise and be a mother to any of them instead of them being destroyed by their own mother, and every woman I know feels the same way.

Is there an excuse for attempting to dispute your fellow man at every cause simply to make a point that somewhere someplace on the globe women are treated horribly?

If said person is being difficult, not considering, not validating or giving a hard time then yes. Or they could just cut the conversation off with said person too. Most of the time that’s the best option to avoid causing harmed feelings.

It’s hard for women to be heard all to often with men. Women have as valid of a perspective and view as men do. That’s why not validating can be hurtful to women. Men and women are different and different things will be perceived as disrespectful depending.

Hey, I’m just here to talk and ask questions and learn. Not trying to get between disagreements or misunderstandings between others. I just don’t like to see people bullied or attacked.

[Alaris]

Do you now what Heavenly Mother's role is?

solomon did. who says heavenly mother is silent in our scriptures?

“I, wisdom, dwell with prudence,
and I find knowledge and discretion.
13 The fear of the LORD is hatred of evil.
Pride and arrogance and the way of evil
and perverted speech I hate.
14 I have counsel and sound wisdom;
I have insight; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign,
and rulers decree what is just;
16 by me princes rule,
and nobles, all who govern justly.
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me diligently find me.
18 Riches and honor are with me,
enduring wealth and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, even fine gold,
and my yield than choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
in the paths of justice,
21 granting an inheritance to those who love me,
and filling their treasuries.
22 “The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of old.
23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there

You are the second person in so many days to equate heavenly mother to wisdom. What a coincidence

[johnBob]

Do you live in India? Do you live in Yemen? No you don't.

You want to solve their problems-why don't you go over there an live among them and teach them how to live properly. Because I'm absolutely positive that it's ALL THE MENS FAULT IN YEMEN. Yeah, the women over there-nah, they couldn't possibly have anything to do with it-they couldn't possibly stop it-they are just so incredibly weak and fragile that they have absolutely no ability to influence their culture, their husbands, their society for something else.

Maybe before trying to tell me how bad men are-maybe, just maybe you should go over there and live among the women-who absolutely could change things if they wanted to . . .unless women really are as weak and pitiful as feminists like to claim men think they are!

I don't care about them-I don't. My world isn't the entire global population of 8 billion individuals. My world is my wife, my kids, my local community, my religion.

None of what happens in Yemen or India has the LEAST BIT OF RELEVANCE to me-I don't care. I'm not going to solve the world's problems, I don't care to solve the world's problems.

You more than welcome to attempt to be Christ . . .but you're going to fail. Good luck!

I'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.

Clearly there are plenty of evil, wicked people in this world. Women who kill their own children, men who abuse their wives, women who abuse their husbands, men who sell their children.

But what you are attempting to do is completely illogical. You are trying to say that because a particular culture (mostly Muslim) and African are uncivilized that it means that the Western Culture was uncivilized and it's only because of 'feminism" that women in the West today aren't beaten, raped, pillaged by men. You are trying to map what is going on in the uncivilized world and retroactively apply it to the 1000s of years of history of the civilized world. That is illogical.

No, it's not feminism. It's JudeoChristian beliefs that prevent it. On a large scale, Jewish and Christian cultures do not do what Muslim and African cultures do. It's not feminism which prevents women in the West from living this livestyle-it's Christianity or Judism.

You have created a religion out of nothing-feminism becomes your god. The only reason feminism even exists in the West today is specifically because of Christianity and Judism.

There is nothing in Scripture either the Jewish or Christian which allows in any way the sale of children for sex of sex slaves-if you read that in the text you are extrapolating from nothing. In fact, many sections warn against such perverse practices.

You are constantly putting words in my mouth. When did I ever say that women aren't treated poorly here in the West because of feminism. I realize that it is the light of the gospel that has more to do with it how our citizens overall are treated more fairly and not forced to do things they don't want to do, like the rest of the world. I agree with you there. And that light has shown us all that agency and dignity and love and respect are important. Look in the latest Ensign. Even our ladies that practiced polygamy were all about woman's suffrage. Perhaps that light of the gospel inspired men and women to realize that everyone should have basic rights protected, and that one group of people should not be silenced. Please tell me what rights you think women should have.

Well technically the woman's suffrage and polygamy is more complicated that that! Utah was becoming a state-or just was a state while at the same time trying to protect polygamy. I think it was more a ploy from leadership in a compromise with the rest of the country-they were trying to show the US they were barbarians because see "we let the women vote!". It didn't work.

What rights should women have? Well tell me a right and I'll tell you if I think they should have it. First though we should get something clear. We think of rights as things that are free-I don't see it that way. With a right comes an obligation and a responsibility.

For example, with the right to vote comes the obligation that if your country votes to go to war-you have a responsibility to go fight that war. Voting to send other people off to die when you are except from fighting is pretty cowardly.

Do I think women should fight in wars-no I do not.
Do I think women should have abortions-no I do not.
Do I think women should be provided government free hand-outs on welfare-no I do not. Churches did that before they can do it again.
Do I think women should have the right to vote? I used to and would look down on anyone who said otherwise. I'm not so sure anymore. When you parse out any votes in the Western world, US, Europe it doesn't matter, there is a huge divide between men and women. More specifically it is dramatically divided between specifically SINGLE women on one side and men + men who are married + women who are married on the other.

The entire welfare system, the abortion system all of that would have NEVER been voted into existence had only men voted. Single women vote to use the state or the government as their husband. Single women vote to extract resources from single men and men with families to give to the government who then gives them (single women) said resources.

So should women have the right to vote? I think over time it will be made manifest whether that is a good idea or a horrifically bad idea-so far it's leaning in the bad idea category.

I think what would solve this problem is if voting was restricted to those who paid taxes, I mean actually paid them not filled a W2. Then the tendency for single women to use the state as their husband might be kept in check.

[johnBob]

Sarah, you are damaged or something that you might need counseling for. You equate men with everything wrong in the world. At every post, you are posting horrific things about men. Are there bad guys out there, absolutely. Are there bad women? Yes. I could post stories of women who murdered their children. What good would that do though? What would it prove?

The patriarchal order is one established by God and is the mode of government in the Heavens. No matter how much the feminists cry about it or how shrill their voice gets complaining about it, this will never change. You might as well complain about water being wet for all the good it would do. Please understand that there is good and bad with all people, and some bad apples does not disqualify God's government.

I don't equate all evil with men. I know lots of evil women, and women sell their daughters to be sex-slaves as well. I have thousands of posts on this forum and started many threads, and you go check that out what I've written and then tell me that all I do is post horrific things about men. I think that you guys don't like to hear anything bad about men. It makes you feel threatened.

No, no, no. Let's review how the conversation got to this point-you don't get out of this that easy.
------------------------
:"Man hasn’t ruled over woman for a while now. Once women have their desire towards their husband (men please don’t misunderstand this thing you do not understand) removed then the curse will be lifted."

Sarah:"Maybe not in western nations, but in pretty much all of Asia and Africa, women have very few rights protected.
Me: "Like the ability to kill their offspring?
Yeah that's a great win for God.
Sarah:"I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything."
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You stated women in other countries don't have the same women's right. Well one of the main feminists 'rights" is the "right" to kill offspring.

Is it not?

You could have very easily at ANY POINT IN TIME, simply stated-yes I agree that's a horrible thing, women shouldn't kill their offspring. However, instead of AGREEING WITH ME!!!! you made the decision to "contend' with me.

Instead of simply saying-"yeah that's despicable, women shouldn't do that, they also shouldn't be sold into slavery."

I would have said-yeah we can agree on that! But no, no, no,no,no you didn't do that. You had a POINT to make, and that point was MEN ARE BAD. You can't even agree with a man for pete's sake b/c MEN ARE BAD!!

In order to drive your point home you have started this argument, simply to reinforce your worldview that MEN ARE BAD.
-----------

This is exactly what feminism brings-horrible, horrible contention simply because women feel the need to disagree to reinforce their point that MEN ARE BAD.

You could have simply agreed with me ages ago and we would be singing kumbayaa!

Well, it's a given that abortion is bad, and I never denied it like you were denying father's selling their daughters, so that's why I ignored it because I saw it as a way for you to deflect back to how women are so bad when I was simply pointing out a fact about other countries. It was irrelevant to my comment. You took it as an accusation of "all men are bad" when that is not what I said.

And actually, in many of these countries where women have no rights, the women have forced abortions.

Come on Sarah-you just can't seem to find any common ground. You can't admit you completely glossed over my initial statement about abortion. You in effect denied it. You had your own agenda which was to ensure that everyone knows that MEN ARE BAD.

[MMbelieve]

Do you now what Heavenly Mother's role is?

solomon did. who says heavenly mother is silent in our scriptures?

“I, wisdom, dwell with prudence,
and I find knowledge and discretion.
13 The fear of the LORD is hatred of evil.
Pride and arrogance and the way of evil
and perverted speech I hate.
14 I have counsel and sound wisdom;
I have insight; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign,
and rulers decree what is just;
16 by me princes rule,
and nobles, all who govern justly.
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me diligently find me.
18 Riches and honor are with me,
enduring wealth and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, even fine gold,
and my yield than choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
in the paths of justice,
21 granting an inheritance to those who love me,
and filling their treasuries.
22 “The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of old.
23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there

Interesting!

It is worded as a person speaking yet called “wisdom”. Do you happen to have any other passages you believe speak of Mother?

[johnBob]

Well you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.

You sure put your head in the sand when it involves the murder of children by women.

You'll go cry and moan about all those poor women being sold into slavery and sex abuse in India, Africa, Yemen but you won't bat an eyelash at the millions upon millions MURDERED here in your own land-specifically by WOMEN.

Is this really the game you want to play?

Of course, I'm sure in typical victimhood feminist fashion-you'll turn around and blame all those murders on men. Because it's always got to be the MAN's fault-heaven forbid a feminist ever look deep in their own soul!

Hello! I don't put my head in the sand. I realize that women kill their own babies, and if you would have denied it like you denied fathers being awful to their daughters, than I would have corrected you.

No, you are bent on making the case that men are horrible, despicable creatures.

Sorry, but that is not my goal at all. My goal is to help men and women be happy, and to be happy you have to treat each other with respect and unselfishness. The Lord has declared that the majority of men who receive power and authority will exercise unrighteous dominion. And I realize that as a mother that I exercise unrighteous dominion too often over my children. I am trying to learn from that just like men should learn how to not do so with their wives and children. Children grow up, and they don't need to be commanded by their parents anymore. Parents don't preside and command their children after they grow up. And I think men need to allow their wives to grow up, acknowledge that Eve has paid a hefty price for her disobedience, and should not longer be placed in a position of disadvantage and dutiful obedience to a man who is prone to be unrighteous. I'm not arguing against a man presiding here or in eternity, but if that man equates presiding to "my wife will always obey me and I am under no obligation to obey her" then he needs to wake up to a higher way of thinking and the higher laws our Father wants to give us.

To the bold. But women aren't prone to unrighteousness? If women ruled it'd be sunshine, roses, rainbows and unicorns forever?

DC 121 is simply stating reality-which is that everyone, you, me, men women exercise unrighteous dominion. Only one MAN ever walked this earth who didn't. Funny, Christ is a man, who knows maybe one day feminists will try and make him a woman . . .

I'm glad your goal isn't to make men out to be horrible, despicable creatures-then stop kicking against the pricks to ensure that at every turn you point out how despicable men are.

Every righteous man wants an adult for a wife. Do you know how exhausting it is to have to command someone in every little thing? What mother wants to tell her child every night, brush your teeth, say your prayers-it's exhausting! But with adulthood comes responsibility.

How many wives will have 2-3 kids and the house is a total disaster, they can't manage to have any meals cooked on time, kids don't go to bed on time, they can't bother to show up on time for activities or events, call up their husbands in the middle of the work day to $itch and moan about how they are so exhausted and hate life . . they are the proverbial "hot mess" and then sit there complaining about the "Patriarchy" and about how men are evil horrible beings and if only they ran the world it would be such a great place!

Everyone fawns all over then telling them, oh I'm so sorry for your hard life, yeah those evil men if it weren't for them you'd have a great life-how dare a man tell you what to do, poor you. Yeah, your husband just needs to treat you like the queen and princess you are-he should bring you flowers home and serande you tonight!

It's utterly hilarious-it's like lady, if you want to start telling me about how the world would be a great place if you ran it . . .you absolutely no self-awareness. Why don't you "get yo ##it together" and then we can talk.

Because in my experience in life-the most ardent feminists are the ones who's lives are an utter mess and they are complete basketcase. Because come to find out, once you've got your junk together, you realize it's actually not that bad. Most men aren't the evil scumbag they are made out to be-they just want competence and sadly competence is in short supply these days.

And if you married a man who treats you like a child-the real question to ask is two-fold? Do I act like a child-thereby necessitating being treated like one? And if I don't act like a child, then why would I have ever married a man who would treat me like one?

I choose were I work in life-I don't work for horrible micromanaging bosses. If you married a micromanaging man, why not just own up to the fact that you didn't have enough self-awareness to understand that he was a micromanager before you married him? You choose him, so choose wisely-if you choose poorly you've got nobody to blame but yourself! (of course, that then gets into a discussion of the value of arraigned marriages-but that's another discussion for another day!)

[Rick Grimes]

I dont think women should have the right to vote. My wife doesnt think so either. What have they done with this agency other than use it for perversions? Abortion rights is their dog whistle now. As are gsy rights, illegal immigration, welfare rights, more taxation,etc... Its sad when you see women who are married/complete, tend to vote for conservative Christian principles, but single women vote by and large for godless government institutions and anything that Satan is very happy with.


Yeah. I said it. I dont think they should have the right to vote anymore.

[Serragon]

Women have the disadvantage in this life that we are weaker in body and in our ability to produce children. It is part of Eve's punishment,

Is that really a disadvantage? Producing and nurturing children a disadvantage and punishment? Our heavenly parents have a lot of titles, king and queens, Priest and priestesses and many others. Nevertheless, we call them Mother and Father. It could also be said "men have the disadvantage in this life, that we are stronger in body and in our ability to labor and protect our families, communities and nations, even unto death"; it is part of Adams punishment. Is being a mother a punishment? Is being a provider/ protector a punishment?

I'll be honest, these sentiments seem to echo feminist claptraps.

Advantages and disadvantages only occur relative to something. It is only a disadvantage to by physically weaker if something requires strength. If no strength is required, then neither the stronger or weaker is at any advantage or disadvantage.

This is why societal roles developed. Because different tasks and careers were best met by people with more advantageous attributes.

Feminism talks of equality, but in reality it is about ignoring disadvantages and pretending they don't exist and attributing any perceived inequality to some form of "ism". The belief in this fantasy has done great harm to our society and is at the root of much of our societal and cultural decline.

It is not good to be bigoted on an individual level. But it is best for societies to bigoted at a macro level. A society can withstand a few people doing things outside the norm. But when we have wholesale abandonment of the roles people are best suited for things fall apart quickly. The need for that role does not go away, but the means for filling are far inferior to the real thing.

We were at our strongest when we understood these concepts and were willing to sacrifice our selfishness and covetousness. But now we embrace that selfishness and covetousness in the form of equality.

The results have been tragic. Women are less happy and don't know why. Men are less happy and don't know why. Children are raised by day cares and government schools. Nearly all families have some sort of dependence upon government while at the same time having both parents working. Abortion is epidemic. Over 70% of black kids are being raised by a mom and the government. Women are incentivized to have kids to get money. The list could go on for pages.

And what have we gained? Not much that I can see. Women can now be included in any profession they want, but at the expense of the high standards that used to be used to filter such professions. Society has had to eat that risk too. You may die in a fire because the current crop of fire fighters can't actually carry you out of the building, but that sacrifice is deemed acceptable so Nancy can feel courageous about her life choices.

This is why it is so disappointing to see these false doctrines being integrated into our Church. We see it happening everywhere, including the temple. And it is the wrong path for us to be heading down. There is nothing but bitterness at the end.

[johnBob]

I dont think women should have the right to vote. My wife doesnt think so either. What have they done with this agency other than use it for perversions? Abortion rights is their dog whistle now. As are gsy rights, illegal immigration, welfare rights, more taxation,etc... Its sad when you see women who are married/complete, tend to vote for conservative Christian principles, but single women vote by and large for godless government institutions and anything that Satan is very happy with.


Yeah. I said it. I dont think they should have the right to vote anymore.

You know Rick, my wife believes the same thing.

Neither of us would have said this 10 years ago. But you start to look around and see the world the way it is, not the way you hope it should be and yeah that's the conclusion.

For married women-especially housewives-they get a raw deal. You have all these other single women voting to extract resources from their husband, you have other single women (and other married women) who are out in the workforce putting tremendous pressure and competition on their husband.

How would you feel as a housewife with kids when you know your husband got passed over for a promotion (which would have provided a better lifestyle for her) because the company you worked with needed more "diversity and inclusion"-as happened to me?

You start to become real jaded and real cynical about the way the world currently operates.

[johnBob]

Women have the disadvantage in this life that we are weaker in body and in our ability to produce children. It is part of Eve's punishment,

Is that really a disadvantage? Producing and nurturing children a disadvantage and punishment? Our heavenly parents have a lot of titles, king and queens, Priest and priestesses and many others. Nevertheless, we call them Mother and Father. It could also be said "men have the disadvantage in this life, that we are stronger in body and in our ability to labor and protect our families, communities and nations, even unto death"; it is part of Adams punishment. Is being a mother a punishment? Is being a provider/ protector a punishment?

I'll be honest, these sentiments seem to echo feminist claptraps.

There is nothing but bitterness at the end.

You got it-it's really sad.

[MMbelieve]

I dont think women should have the right to vote. My wife doesnt think so either. What have they done with this agency other than use it for perversions? Abortion rights is their dog whistle now. As are gsy rights, illegal immigration, welfare rights, more taxation,etc... Its sad when you see women who are married/complete, tend to vote for conservative Christian principles, but single women vote by and large for godless government institutions and anything that Satan is very happy with.


Yeah. I said it. I dont think they should have the right to vote anymore.

Found this and thought I would share.


“....right to vote, which was granted to women over the age of 30 a century ago in 1918.
But even as late as 1917 - just months before the bill was passed - powerful men in Parliament were trying to stop votes for women”.

10 reasons men gave in 1917 as arguments against women voting.....

1. "Men have the vote and the power at the present moment; I say for Heaven's sake let us keep it.
"We are controlled and worried enough by women at the present time, and I have heard no reason why we should alter the present state of affairs."

2. "There are obvious disadvantages about having women in Parliament. I do not know what is going to be done about their hats.
"How is a poor little man to get on with a couple of women wearing enormous hats in front of him?"

3. "Women are likely to be affected by gusts and waves of sentiment.
"Their emotional temperament makes them so liable to it. But those are not the people best fitted in this practical world either to sit in this House... or to be entrusted with the immense power which this bill gives them."

4. "You have at the present moment certain statistics which show that both the birth and marriage rate are decreasing.
"Can you adopt at this time a policy which might mean an immense destruction of the population of the country which it is essential should not only be retained, but increased."

5. "One of the greatest features in connection with this country is the responsibility of men towards women, and I would view with the greatest apprehension any step which would tend to relieve men of that responsibility."

6. "Women are tremendously accessible, extraordinarily impressionable, noted for the adoption of any new thing, and for the easy acceptance of other people's views.
"Are those qualities which fit women to rule over the home and foreign affairs of a mighty empire?"

7. "Intuition is far more largely developed in women than in men, but instinct and intuition, although good guides, are not the best masters so far as Parliament is concerned.
"Parliament exists for the very purpose of opposing feelings, fancies, and inclinations by reason."

8. "I have read their writings, and in one paper... a moderate publication, I saw that the Prime Minister was violently described as an old fossil.
"What can you say of people who exhibit such a want of judgment, and such a lack of perception of actual facts?"

9. "I daresay that the idealism of the feminine mind and its deadly logic which we have all experienced in private life are qualities superior to those of men, but I do say that in governing a great country and in considering the problems which we have to consider every day in this House such qualities are not valuable, but destructive."

10. "This is a commercial and industrial country. But it could hardly be hoped that women could govern and manage our commerce and industry.
"If we were to have women in this House they would be legislating for these commercial industries of the management of which they know nothing."



Where I found these quotes
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43740033

[MMbelieve]

I dont think women should have the right to vote. My wife doesnt think so either. What have they done with this agency other than use it for perversions? Abortion rights is their dog whistle now. As are gsy rights, illegal immigration, welfare rights, more taxation,etc... Its sad when you see women who are married/complete, tend to vote for conservative Christian principles, but single women vote by and large for godless government institutions and anything that Satan is very happy with.


Yeah. I said it. I dont think they should have the right to vote anymore.

This one is quite funny...

“They believed him when he said—as other academics, doctors, and scientists did—that women shouldn’t vote because they were, quite literally, not made for it. According to the leading theory, mental exertion could jeopardize reproductive health. And if the science of the day asserted that women could become infertile if they did too much thinking, no man would want to send his daughter, sister, or wife to college or the office—and certainly not to the ballot box.”

(Reminds me of the old time saying that you will go blind if you....)

This is male protection to the “T”. I wish men today still believed women shouldn’t exert themselves, lol. I’m tired.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ce/593710/

It’s interesting to see what people a hundred years ago said about women voting. I’m sure it’s quite different than reasons men have today. I think some just don’t like women having any say. It’s tradition after all.

Ironically, I live in the equality state, the first state to allow women the right to vote. It’s a very respected thing around here.

[abijah`]

You are the second person in so many days to equate heavenly mother to wisdom. What a coincidence

its not just me, its a common association. consider reading raphael patai's the hebrew goddess, he goes into great detail on these.



for the most part the feminine figure portrayed in his various analyses is the singular person who we commonly refer to as eve.

[MMbelieve]

I dont think women should have the right to vote. My wife doesnt think so either. What have they done with this agency other than use it for perversions? Abortion rights is their dog whistle now. As are gsy rights, illegal immigration, welfare rights, more taxation,etc... Its sad when you see women who are married/complete, tend to vote for conservative Christian principles, but single women vote by and large for godless government institutions and anything that Satan is very happy with.


Yeah. I said it. I dont think they should have the right to vote anymore.

You know Rick, my wife believes the same thing.

Neither of us would have said this 10 years ago. But you start to look around and see the world the way it is, not the way you hope it should be and yeah that's the conclusion.

For married women-especially housewives-they get a raw deal. You have all these other single women voting to extract resources from their husband, you have other single women (and other married women) who are out in the workforce putting tremendous pressure and competition on their husband.

How would you feel as a housewife with kids when you know your husband got passed over for a promotion (which would have provided a better lifestyle for her) because the company you worked with needed more "diversity and inclusion"-as happened to me?

You start to become real jaded and real cynical about the way the world currently operates.

Yes, the way the world works is extremely messed up.
I beg to differ on the idea that it’s because women can vote. I mean blacks can vote too and people used to be against that as well...Hispanics? People under 30, single men, jobless men, immigrants, illegals. Non-religious people, people who frankly hate America and don’t respect the laws and constitution.

Maybe we should have a voting test people have to pass to have the right to vote. They have one that immigrants have to pass to become a citizen. How many Americans can pass that test? So one to vote sounds good to me. Have it marked on your drivers license like they do for donor status.

The truth is, any voter who doesn’t have their mind right and have some respect for the voting system and who advocates for anything against what is good and correct is exactly the same...one vote at a time. Doesn’t matter what age or race or gender they are.

The world is messed up because it’s full of people with many different perceptions and opinions. Everyone thinks they know the best ways. Few do.

[johnBob]

I dont think women should have the right to vote. My wife doesnt think so either. What have they done with this agency other than use it for perversions? Abortion rights is their dog whistle now. As are gsy rights, illegal immigration, welfare rights, more taxation,etc... Its sad when you see women who are married/complete, tend to vote for conservative Christian principles, but single women vote by and large for godless government institutions and anything that Satan is very happy with.


Yeah. I said it. I dont think they should have the right to vote anymore.

You know Rick, my wife believes the same thing.

Neither of us would have said this 10 years ago. But you start to look around and see the world the way it is, not the way you hope it should be and yeah that's the conclusion.

For married women-especially housewives-they get a raw deal. You have all these other single women voting to extract resources from their husband, you have other single women (and other married women) who are out in the workforce putting tremendous pressure and competition on their husband.

How would you feel as a housewife with kids when you know your husband got passed over for a promotion (which would have provided a better lifestyle for her) because the company you worked with needed more "diversity and inclusion"-as happened to me?

You start to become real jaded and real cynical about the way the world currently operates.

Yes, the way the world works is extremely messed up.
I beg to differ on the idea that it’s because women can vote. I mean blacks can vote too and people used to be against that as well...Hispanics? People under 30, single men, jobless men, immigrants, illegals. Non-religious people, people who frankly hate America and don’t respect the laws and constitution.

Maybe we should have a voting test people have to pass to have the right to vote. They have one that immigrants have to pass to become a citizen. How many Americans can pass that test? So one to vote sounds good to me. Have it marked on your drivers license like they do for donor status.

The truth is, any voter who doesn’t have their mind right and have some respect for the voting system and who advocates for anything against what is good and correct is exactly the same...one vote at a time. Doesn’t matter what age or race or gender they are.

The world is messed up because it’s full of people with many different perceptions and opinions. Everyone thinks they know the best ways. Few do.

You have a good comment. Unfortunately the data does not support that it's NOT because women can vote.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... te-voters/

The worst liberal voters are black women-but if only women voted this country would be a socialists hellhole.

Only women vote Dems 274 Repubs 160
Only men vote Dems 186 Repubs 249
Currently Dems 235, Repubs 199

That's a heck of a swing between men and women. We have 50 more dems in the House because women vote, with no men you'd have 89 more dems.

That's a huge difference. Women don't vote and there is no impeachment, no Kavanaugh circus kangaroo court, no stupid Nancy Pelosi and something might actually get done in congress from 2018-2020.

[MMbelieve]

I dont think women should have the right to vote. My wife doesnt think so either. What have they done with this agency other than use it for perversions? Abortion rights is their dog whistle now. As are gsy rights, illegal immigration, welfare rights, more taxation,etc... Its sad when you see women who are married/complete, tend to vote for conservative Christian principles, but single women vote by and large for godless government institutions and anything that Satan is very happy with.


Yeah. I said it. I dont think they should have the right to vote anymore.

You know Rick, my wife believes the same thing.

Neither of us would have said this 10 years ago. But you start to look around and see the world the way it is, not the way you hope it should be and yeah that's the conclusion.

For married women-especially housewives-they get a raw deal. You have all these other single women voting to extract resources from their husband, you have other single women (and other married women) who are out in the workforce putting tremendous pressure and competition on their husband.

How would you feel as a housewife with kids when you know your husband got passed over for a promotion (which would have provided a better lifestyle for her) because the company you worked with needed more "diversity and inclusion"-as happened to me?

You start to become real jaded and real cynical about the way the world currently operates.

Yes, the way the world works is extremely messed up.
I beg to differ on the idea that it’s because women can vote. I mean blacks can vote too and people used to be against that as well...Hispanics? People under 30, single men, jobless men, immigrants, illegals. Non-religious people, people who frankly hate America and don’t respect the laws and constitution.

Maybe we should have a voting test people have to pass to have the right to vote. They have one that immigrants have to pass to become a citizen. How many Americans can pass that test? So one to vote sounds good to me. Have it marked on your drivers license like they do for donor status.

The truth is, any voter who doesn’t have their mind right and have some respect for the voting system and who advocates for anything against what is good and correct is exactly the same...one vote at a time. Doesn’t matter what age or race or gender they are.

The world is messed up because it’s full of people with many different perceptions and opinions. Everyone thinks they know the best ways. Few do.

You have a good comment. Unfortunately the data does not support that it's NOT because women can vote.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... te-voters/

The worst liberal voters are black women-but if only women voted this country would be a socialists hellhole.

There is a place for both the masculine and feminine.
Feminine is love and compassion and acceptance and peace.

If women ruled the world, we wouldn’t have wars. We would get together and find ways to make it work out for both parties.

Please don’t start pushing the agenda that all women are bad....you know how it feels when you believe someone is saying all men are bad.

Here’s a thought question....is a home we think of as a good home where the members are provide for, cared for, loved and accepted and everyone is just as important to the family as the others are a socialist hellhole?

I’m not a socialist by the way. Just curious if a home (woman’s primary role) is considered a socialist set up with of course the governors being mom and dad. I haven’t ever thought about it before.

[johnBob]

You know Rick, my wife believes the same thing.

Neither of us would have said this 10 years ago. But you start to look around and see the world the way it is, not the way you hope it should be and yeah that's the conclusion.

For married women-especially housewives-they get a raw deal. You have all these other single women voting to extract resources from their husband, you have other single women (and other married women) who are out in the workforce putting tremendous pressure and competition on their husband.

How would you feel as a housewife with kids when you know your husband got passed over for a promotion (which would have provided a better lifestyle for her) because the company you worked with needed more "diversity and inclusion"-as happened to me?

You start to become real jaded and real cynical about the way the world currently operates.

Yes, the way the world works is extremely messed up.
I beg to differ on the idea that it’s because women can vote. I mean blacks can vote too and people used to be against that as well...Hispanics? People under 30, single men, jobless men, immigrants, illegals. Non-religious people, people who frankly hate America and don’t respect the laws and constitution.

Maybe we should have a voting test people have to pass to have the right to vote. They have one that immigrants have to pass to become a citizen. How many Americans can pass that test? So one to vote sounds good to me. Have it marked on your drivers license like they do for donor status.

The truth is, any voter who doesn’t have their mind right and have some respect for the voting system and who advocates for anything against what is good and correct is exactly the same...one vote at a time. Doesn’t matter what age or race or gender they are.

The world is messed up because it’s full of people with many different perceptions and opinions. Everyone thinks they know the best ways. Few do.

You have a good comment. Unfortunately the data does not support that it's NOT because women can vote.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... te-voters/

The worst liberal voters are black women-but if only women voted this country would be a socialists hellhole.

There is a place for both the masculine and feminine.
Feminine is love and compassion and acceptance and peace.

If women ruled the world, we wouldn’t have wars. We would get together and find ways to make it work out for both parties.

Please don’t start pushing the agenda that all women are bad....you know how it feels when you believe someone is saying all men are bad.

No you aren't understanding what I'm explaining. It's not that women are bad-I don't believe that at all-it's that due to the feminine nature, woman will naturally look for protection. If they can't find that protection from men or if they ignore that protection from men, they will go to the next place they can find it-government.

We'd still have wars if women ruled the world-you don't think women influenced their husband to go to war? Do you really believe that men like going off to some foreign land to die? I don't think so.

[johnBob]

You know Rick, my wife believes the same thing.

Neither of us would have said this 10 years ago. But you start to look around and see the world the way it is, not the way you hope it should be and yeah that's the conclusion.

For married women-especially housewives-they get a raw deal. You have all these other single women voting to extract resources from their husband, you have other single women (and other married women) who are out in the workforce putting tremendous pressure and competition on their husband.

How would you feel as a housewife with kids when you know your husband got passed over for a promotion (which would have provided a better lifestyle for her) because the company you worked with needed more "diversity and inclusion"-as happened to me?

You start to become real jaded and real cynical about the way the world currently operates.

Yes, the way the world works is extremely messed up.
I beg to differ on the idea that it’s because women can vote. I mean blacks can vote too and people used to be against that as well...Hispanics? People under 30, single men, jobless men, immigrants, illegals. Non-religious people, people who frankly hate America and don’t respect the laws and constitution.

Maybe we should have a voting test people have to pass to have the right to vote. They have one that immigrants have to pass to become a citizen. How many Americans can pass that test? So one to vote sounds good to me. Have it marked on your drivers license like they do for donor status.

The truth is, any voter who doesn’t have their mind right and have some respect for the voting system and who advocates for anything against what is good and correct is exactly the same...one vote at a time. Doesn’t matter what age or race or gender they are.

The world is messed up because it’s full of people with many different perceptions and opinions. Everyone thinks they know the best ways. Few do.

You have a good comment. Unfortunately the data does not support that it's NOT because women can vote.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... te-voters/

The worst liberal voters are black women-but if only women voted this country would be a socialists hellhole.

Just curious if a home (woman’s primary role) is considered a socialist set up with of course the governors being mom and dad. I haven’t ever thought about it before.

Actually you hit on a really good point-yes this is actually a key to understanding the way the world works and the differences between men and women. Women by nature are more collectivists than men.

The Russian revolution started because of famine-because the men didn't have food to feed their families and their families needed food. Socialism seemed like a good thing because well women and children get fed instead of starving from a cold winter in the middle of a war with all the food getting sent to go fight a war . . .where all the men were!

All the men (okay many or much of them) were fighting the war, instead of being back home providing for their families. So what happened with no men to provide? People (women, children and the disabled men who couldn't fight!) revolted and wanted the state to provide-socialism.

[MMbelieve]

Yes, the way the world works is extremely messed up.
I beg to differ on the idea that it’s because women can vote. I mean blacks can vote too and people used to be against that as well...Hispanics? People under 30, single men, jobless men, immigrants, illegals. Non-religious people, people who frankly hate America and don’t respect the laws and constitution.

Maybe we should have a voting test people have to pass to have the right to vote. They have one that immigrants have to pass to become a citizen. How many Americans can pass that test? So one to vote sounds good to me. Have it marked on your drivers license like they do for donor status.

The truth is, any voter who doesn’t have their mind right and have some respect for the voting system and who advocates for anything against what is good and correct is exactly the same...one vote at a time. Doesn’t matter what age or race or gender they are.

The world is messed up because it’s full of people with many different perceptions and opinions. Everyone thinks they know the best ways. Few do.

You have a good comment. Unfortunately the data does not support that it's NOT because women can vote.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... te-voters/

The worst liberal voters are black women-but if only women voted this country would be a socialists hellhole.

There is a place for both the masculine and feminine.
Feminine is love and compassion and acceptance and peace.

If women ruled the world, we wouldn’t have wars. We would get together and find ways to make it work out for both parties.

Please don’t start pushing the agenda that all women are bad....you know how it feels when you believe someone is saying all men are bad.

No you aren't understanding what I'm explaining. It's not that women are bad-I don't believe that at all-it's that due to the feminine nature, woman will naturally look for protection. If they can't find that protection from men or if they ignore that protection from men, they will go to the next place they can find it-government.

We'd still have wars if women ruled the world-you don't think women influenced their husband to go to war? Do you really believe that men like going off to some foreign land to die? I don't think so.

Now it’s women who make men go to war. Are women seriously blamed for EVERYTHING since Eve?

FYI, you will never convince an intelligent and sane woman that she is incapable of voting or make a good decision or having a rational and thoughtful mind to advocate for the good principals men should be advocating for. I don’t know about the women you know but the ones I know are very good women.

Maybe there just needs to be laws for women to vote on that deal with men as their primary protectors? If the only thing to vote for is government to give you free stuff then we need to change what’s available. Please don’t think I’m a fool for posting this statement, there is some truth to the practicality here. If the leaders keep pushing a vote to minorities and disadvantaged people and promising free stuff and such then it’s going to work in a world of laziness and selfishness where most will take free stuff and go on their way. Just like those who Jesus healed, how many even had the mindset to give in return? It’s appealing to human nature, not just women.

If men are not providing by leaving their women and children or getting locked up in prison then preventing women from having protection by removing their voice is doing what to fix the problem of men who refuse to be responsible men?

Nothing!