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If what you say is true, then God would have created both Adam and Eve from the dust-but he didn't . . .unless you want to claim the entirety of Scripture going back to the Garden was written by a sexist man!mtm411 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:26 pm Heavenly Mother is equal to Heavenly Father, they've been exalted as 2 halves of a couple. Elohim is a plural term. Do we know why more isn't revealed about Heavenly Mother? No. But we do know she has power in the priesthood just like all women are given in the temple. We also have a faith that believes not everything has been revealed yet. I believe our squabbles about gender and who is in charge are partly why we aren't ready for more information.
Also, mothers do preside over their sons. I don't know why Heavenly Mother (an exalted being) would be any different.
You don't need one sex to lead the other, you need them to learn to lead together in harmony, which is what this entire gospel is about. Do you really think our Heavenly Parents have arguments about being in charge? Can you imagine Heavenly Father pulling rank? We won't be exalted unless we rise together as a couple in harmony.
Adam only leads Eve in the Terrestrial world in the temple.
It is actually very symbolic. It is seen all over the world in a bastardized form. It is seen in the "black robes of a false priesthood."removal of the string from the cap to the shoulder.
False doctrine^
Yes we are to balance, but the balance includes all things like leading. One must lead and one must follow, otherwise you have no leader.
Oh nice one .. . that's awesome I hadn't caught that. That's a cool one-thank you!pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:31 pmIt is actually very symbolic. It is seen all over the world in a bastardized form. It is seen in the black robes of a false priesthood.removal of the string from the cap to the shoulder.
If there was symbology to this string, it was never explained at all. The hat string only changes sides because we change the shoulder over which the robe hangs over, and that side is where the hat attaches to. I've never seen anything or heard anything indicating any spiritual significance. If there was one, it has been lost since before I recieved my endowments, which was back in 2001.pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:31 pmIt is actually very symbolic. It is seen all over the world in a bastardized form. It is seen in the black robes of a false priesthood.removal of the string from the cap to the shoulder.
You won't find anything preached about symbolism-those are the "mysteries" of God. It takes some hard work to figure them out. We have vague references and hints of symbolism but most of it (or at least how to find it) is lost.Rick Grimes wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:35 pmIf there was symbology to this string, it was never explained at all. The hat string only changes sides because we change the shoulder over which the robe hangs over, and that side is where the hat attaches to. I've never seen anything or heard anything indicating any spiritual significance. If there was one, it has been lost since before I recieved my endowments, which was back in 2001.pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:31 pmIt is actually very symbolic. It is seen all over the world in a bastardized form. It is seen in the black robes of a false priesthood.removal of the string from the cap to the shoulder.
It was Hugh Nibley who first said that back in 1983...pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:31 pmIt is actually very symbolic. It is seen all over the world in a bastardized form. It is seen in the black robes of a false priesthood.removal of the string from the cap to the shoulder.
yes, I am aware of that. I should have put that in quotations.LukeAir2008 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:55 pmIt was Hugh Nibley who first said that back in 1983...pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:31 pmIt is actually very symbolic. It is seen all over the world in a bastardized form. It is seen in the black robes of a false priesthood.removal of the string from the cap to the shoulder.
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/hugh-nib ... -managers/
You said that it was ridiculous to think that a father would sell his daughter into sex-slavery. I'm simply pointing out the fact that it is not ridiculous.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:05 pmAre you daft?Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pmYes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pmI'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm
I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.
And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.
And your point is?
If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.
Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.
Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.
How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?
India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo
Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo
Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo
I could go on and on and on....
Seriously are you so incredibly caught up in your own self-righteousness that you cannot agree with A MAN!!!!
Re-read what I wrote-especially the part about Islam or other cultures . . .geez.
I'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:08 pmDo you live in India? Do you live in Yemen? No you don't.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pmYes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pmI'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm
I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.
And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.
And your point is?
If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.
Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.
Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.
How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?
India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo
Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo
Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo
I could go on and on and on....
You want to solve their problems-why don't you go over there an live among them and teach them how to live properly. Because I'm absolutely positive that it's ALL THE MENS FAULT IN YEMEN. Yeah, the women over there-nah, they couldn't possibly have anything to do with it-they couldn't possibly stop it-they are just so incredibly weak and fragile that they have absolutely no ability to influence their culture, their husbands, their society for something else.
Maybe before trying to tell me how bad men are-maybe, just maybe you should go over there and live among the women-who absolutely could change things if they wanted to . . .unless women really are as weak and pitiful as feminists like to claim men think they are!
I don't care about them-I don't. My world isn't the entire global population of 8 billion individuals. My world is my wife, my kids, my local community, my religion.
None of what happens in Yemen or India has the LEAST BIT OF RELEVANCE to me-I don't care. I'm not going to solve the world's problems, I don't care to solve the world's problems.
You more than welcome to attempt to be Christ . . .but you're going to fail. Good luck!
Well you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:06 pmI'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:08 pmDo you live in India? Do you live in Yemen? No you don't.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pmYes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pm
I'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!
And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.
And your point is?
If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.
Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.
Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.
How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?
India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo
Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo
Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo
I could go on and on and on....
You want to solve their problems-why don't you go over there an live among them and teach them how to live properly. Because I'm absolutely positive that it's ALL THE MENS FAULT IN YEMEN. Yeah, the women over there-nah, they couldn't possibly have anything to do with it-they couldn't possibly stop it-they are just so incredibly weak and fragile that they have absolutely no ability to influence their culture, their husbands, their society for something else.
Maybe before trying to tell me how bad men are-maybe, just maybe you should go over there and live among the women-who absolutely could change things if they wanted to . . .unless women really are as weak and pitiful as feminists like to claim men think they are!
I don't care about them-I don't. My world isn't the entire global population of 8 billion individuals. My world is my wife, my kids, my local community, my religion.
None of what happens in Yemen or India has the LEAST BIT OF RELEVANCE to me-I don't care. I'm not going to solve the world's problems, I don't care to solve the world's problems.
You more than welcome to attempt to be Christ . . .but you're going to fail. Good luck!
Actually I talked to a lady recently 5 miles down the road in no mans land who is a medical professional and she told me that she was held as a sex slave for over a year and managed to escape. It was surreal because she was a regular American citizen that you would never have guessed experienced this.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:04 pmWise comments.MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:23 pmOne of the things that men can do or offer as men in this world is to keep other bad men at bay for woman and children. Like a lion who walks the perimeter of his territory. This is done by a lot of men in this world because it’s part of their natures if they are true to it. Sadly, there are too many bad men in the world who let power and authority or possessiveness get to them and believe they are superior to women and women are indeed less than a man. This is pretty obvious.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pmI'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm
I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.
And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.
And your point is?
If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.
Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.
Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.
How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?
What many dismiss from Sarah’s words in the absolute truth for many women around the world and I’m really not sure why people are so quick to dismiss it. It is not truth for all but it’s truth for enough.
Men are great and needed and I hope men can realize this in a way that uplifts those around them and makes the world a better place. This is male leadership!
Yes it is horrific that many women suffer like they do-it's also horrific that many men suffer like they do.
I can't solve world peace; sometimes we get too caught up in trying to solve the entire globe's problem when really the world as we know it is pretty flat.
Are women where you at being sold as sex slaves? Are men where you are being forced into slave labor camps? No, so why not glory in that. Why not glory in the example being set where you are at and let the rest of the world figure out their own problems. Why not simply enjoy what you have? Why not figure out why it is that your culture where you live on your flat earth is different than somebody else's culture on their flat earth section? Why not try to protect your own portion rather than try and solve the rest of the world?
If you have heaven on earth where you are at the rest of the world will eventually try to emulate it rather than you having to force your will on the rest of the world.
I don't equate all evil with men. I know lots of evil women, and women sell their daughters to be sex-slaves as well. I have thousands of posts on this forum and started many threads, and you go check that out what I've written and then tell me that all I do is post horrific things about men. I think that you guys don't like to hear anything bad about men. It makes you feel threatened.Rick Grimes wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:10 pmSarah, you are damaged or something that you might need counseling for. You equate men with everything wrong in the world. At every post, you are posting horrific things about men. Are there bad guys out there, absolutely. Are there bad women? Yes. I could post stories of women who murdered their children. What good would that do though? What would it prove?Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pmYes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pmI'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm
I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.
And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.
And your point is?
If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.
Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.
Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.
How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?
India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo
Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo
Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo
I could go on and on and on....
The patriarchal order is one established by God and is the mode of government in the Heavens. No matter how much the feminists cry about it or how shrill their voice gets complaining about it, this will never change. You might as well complain about water being wet for all the good it would do. Please understand that there is good and bad with all people, and some bad apples does not disqualify God's government.
Hey, let’s not be a bully.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:10 pmWell you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:06 pmI'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:08 pmDo you live in India? Do you live in Yemen? No you don't.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pm
Yes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.
India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo
Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo
Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo
I could go on and on and on....
You want to solve their problems-why don't you go over there an live among them and teach them how to live properly. Because I'm absolutely positive that it's ALL THE MENS FAULT IN YEMEN. Yeah, the women over there-nah, they couldn't possibly have anything to do with it-they couldn't possibly stop it-they are just so incredibly weak and fragile that they have absolutely no ability to influence their culture, their husbands, their society for something else.
Maybe before trying to tell me how bad men are-maybe, just maybe you should go over there and live among the women-who absolutely could change things if they wanted to . . .unless women really are as weak and pitiful as feminists like to claim men think they are!
I don't care about them-I don't. My world isn't the entire global population of 8 billion individuals. My world is my wife, my kids, my local community, my religion.
None of what happens in Yemen or India has the LEAST BIT OF RELEVANCE to me-I don't care. I'm not going to solve the world's problems, I don't care to solve the world's problems.
You more than welcome to attempt to be Christ . . .but you're going to fail. Good luck!
You sure put your head in the sand when it involves the murder of children by women.
You'll go cry and moan about all those poor women being sold into slavery and sex abuse in India, Africa, Yemen but you won't bat an eyelash at the millions upon millions MURDERED here in your own land-specifically by WOMEN.
Is this really the game you want to play?
Of course, I'm sure in typical victimhood feminist fashion-you'll turn around and blame all those murders on men. Because it's always got to be the MAN's fault-heaven forbid a feminist ever look deep in their own soul!
Hello! I don't put my head in the sand. I realize that women kill their own babies, and if you would have denied it like you denied fathers being awful to their daughters, than I would have corrected you.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:10 pmWell you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:06 pmI'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:08 pmDo you live in India? Do you live in Yemen? No you don't.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pm
Yes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.
India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo
Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo
Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo
I could go on and on and on....
You want to solve their problems-why don't you go over there an live among them and teach them how to live properly. Because I'm absolutely positive that it's ALL THE MENS FAULT IN YEMEN. Yeah, the women over there-nah, they couldn't possibly have anything to do with it-they couldn't possibly stop it-they are just so incredibly weak and fragile that they have absolutely no ability to influence their culture, their husbands, their society for something else.
Maybe before trying to tell me how bad men are-maybe, just maybe you should go over there and live among the women-who absolutely could change things if they wanted to . . .unless women really are as weak and pitiful as feminists like to claim men think they are!
I don't care about them-I don't. My world isn't the entire global population of 8 billion individuals. My world is my wife, my kids, my local community, my religion.
None of what happens in Yemen or India has the LEAST BIT OF RELEVANCE to me-I don't care. I'm not going to solve the world's problems, I don't care to solve the world's problems.
You more than welcome to attempt to be Christ . . .but you're going to fail. Good luck!
You sure put your head in the sand when it involves the murder of children by women.
You'll go cry and moan about all those poor women being sold into slavery and sex abuse in India, Africa, Yemen but you won't bat an eyelash at the millions upon millions MURDERED here in your own land-specifically by WOMEN.
Is this really the game you want to play?
Of course, I'm sure in typical victimhood feminist fashion-you'll turn around and blame all those murders on men. Because it's always got to be the MAN's fault-heaven forbid a feminist ever look deep in their own soul!
Clearly there are plenty of evil, wicked people in this world. Women who kill their own children, men who abuse their wives, women who abuse their husbands, men who sell their children.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:06 pmI'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:08 pmDo you live in India? Do you live in Yemen? No you don't.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pmYes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pm
I'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!
And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.
And your point is?
If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.
Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.
Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.
How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?
India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo
Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo
Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo
I could go on and on and on....
You want to solve their problems-why don't you go over there an live among them and teach them how to live properly. Because I'm absolutely positive that it's ALL THE MENS FAULT IN YEMEN. Yeah, the women over there-nah, they couldn't possibly have anything to do with it-they couldn't possibly stop it-they are just so incredibly weak and fragile that they have absolutely no ability to influence their culture, their husbands, their society for something else.
Maybe before trying to tell me how bad men are-maybe, just maybe you should go over there and live among the women-who absolutely could change things if they wanted to . . .unless women really are as weak and pitiful as feminists like to claim men think they are!
I don't care about them-I don't. My world isn't the entire global population of 8 billion individuals. My world is my wife, my kids, my local community, my religion.
None of what happens in Yemen or India has the LEAST BIT OF RELEVANCE to me-I don't care. I'm not going to solve the world's problems, I don't care to solve the world's problems.
You more than welcome to attempt to be Christ . . .but you're going to fail. Good luck!
Well then let's not try to catch me with words.MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:23 pmHey, let’s not be a bully.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:10 pmWell you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:06 pmI'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:08 pm
Do you live in India? Do you live in Yemen? No you don't.
You want to solve their problems-why don't you go over there an live among them and teach them how to live properly. Because I'm absolutely positive that it's ALL THE MENS FAULT IN YEMEN. Yeah, the women over there-nah, they couldn't possibly have anything to do with it-they couldn't possibly stop it-they are just so incredibly weak and fragile that they have absolutely no ability to influence their culture, their husbands, their society for something else.
Maybe before trying to tell me how bad men are-maybe, just maybe you should go over there and live among the women-who absolutely could change things if they wanted to . . .unless women really are as weak and pitiful as feminists like to claim men think they are!
I don't care about them-I don't. My world isn't the entire global population of 8 billion individuals. My world is my wife, my kids, my local community, my religion.
None of what happens in Yemen or India has the LEAST BIT OF RELEVANCE to me-I don't care. I'm not going to solve the world's problems, I don't care to solve the world's problems.
You more than welcome to attempt to be Christ . . .but you're going to fail. Good luck!
You sure put your head in the sand when it involves the murder of children by women.
You'll go cry and moan about all those poor women being sold into slavery and sex abuse in India, Africa, Yemen but you won't bat an eyelash at the millions upon millions MURDERED here in your own land-specifically by WOMEN.
Is this really the game you want to play?
Of course, I'm sure in typical victimhood feminist fashion-you'll turn around and blame all those murders on men. Because it's always got to be the MAN's fault-heaven forbid a feminist ever look deep in their own soul!
No, you are bent on making the case that men are horrible, despicable creatures.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:24 pmHello! I don't put my head in the sand. I realize that women kill their own babies, and if you would have denied it like you denied fathers being awful to their daughters, than I would have corrected you.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:10 pmWell you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:06 pmI'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:08 pm
Do you live in India? Do you live in Yemen? No you don't.
You want to solve their problems-why don't you go over there an live among them and teach them how to live properly. Because I'm absolutely positive that it's ALL THE MENS FAULT IN YEMEN. Yeah, the women over there-nah, they couldn't possibly have anything to do with it-they couldn't possibly stop it-they are just so incredibly weak and fragile that they have absolutely no ability to influence their culture, their husbands, their society for something else.
Maybe before trying to tell me how bad men are-maybe, just maybe you should go over there and live among the women-who absolutely could change things if they wanted to . . .unless women really are as weak and pitiful as feminists like to claim men think they are!
I don't care about them-I don't. My world isn't the entire global population of 8 billion individuals. My world is my wife, my kids, my local community, my religion.
None of what happens in Yemen or India has the LEAST BIT OF RELEVANCE to me-I don't care. I'm not going to solve the world's problems, I don't care to solve the world's problems.
You more than welcome to attempt to be Christ . . .but you're going to fail. Good luck!
You sure put your head in the sand when it involves the murder of children by women.
You'll go cry and moan about all those poor women being sold into slavery and sex abuse in India, Africa, Yemen but you won't bat an eyelash at the millions upon millions MURDERED here in your own land-specifically by WOMEN.
Is this really the game you want to play?
Of course, I'm sure in typical victimhood feminist fashion-you'll turn around and blame all those murders on men. Because it's always got to be the MAN's fault-heaven forbid a feminist ever look deep in their own soul!
You are constantly putting words in my mouth. When did I ever say that women aren't treated poorly here in the West because of feminism. I realize that it is the light of the gospel that has more to do with it how our citizens overall are treated more fairly and not forced to do things they don't want to do, like the rest of the world. I agree with you there. And that light has shown us all that agency and dignity and love and respect are important. Look in the latest Ensign. Even our ladies that practiced polygamy were all about woman's suffrage. Perhaps that light of the gospel inspired men and women to realize that everyone should have basic rights protected, and that one group of people should not be silenced. Please tell me what rights you think women should have.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:27 pmClearly there are plenty of evil, wicked people in this world. Women who kill their own children, men who abuse their wives, women who abuse their husbands, men who sell their children.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:06 pmI'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but I don't put my head in the sand and pretend like they don't exist.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:08 pmDo you live in India? Do you live in Yemen? No you don't.Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pm
Yes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.
India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo
Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo
Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo
I could go on and on and on....
You want to solve their problems-why don't you go over there an live among them and teach them how to live properly. Because I'm absolutely positive that it's ALL THE MENS FAULT IN YEMEN. Yeah, the women over there-nah, they couldn't possibly have anything to do with it-they couldn't possibly stop it-they are just so incredibly weak and fragile that they have absolutely no ability to influence their culture, their husbands, their society for something else.
Maybe before trying to tell me how bad men are-maybe, just maybe you should go over there and live among the women-who absolutely could change things if they wanted to . . .unless women really are as weak and pitiful as feminists like to claim men think they are!
I don't care about them-I don't. My world isn't the entire global population of 8 billion individuals. My world is my wife, my kids, my local community, my religion.
None of what happens in Yemen or India has the LEAST BIT OF RELEVANCE to me-I don't care. I'm not going to solve the world's problems, I don't care to solve the world's problems.
You more than welcome to attempt to be Christ . . .but you're going to fail. Good luck!
But what you are attempting to do is completely illogical. You are trying to say that because a particular culture (mostly Muslim) and African are uncivilized that it means that the Western Culture was uncivilized and it's only because of 'feminism" that women in the West today aren't beaten, raped, pillaged by men. You are trying to map what is going on in the uncivilized world and retroactively apply it to the 1000s of years of history of the civilized world. That is illogical.
No, it's not feminism. It's JudeoChristian beliefs that prevent it. On a large scale, Jewish and Christian cultures do not do what Muslim and African cultures do. It's not feminism which prevents women in the West from living this livestyle-it's Christianity or Judism.
You have created a religion out of nothing-feminism becomes your god. The only reason feminism even exists in the West today is specifically because of Christianity and Judism.
There is nothing in Scripture either the Jewish or Christian which allows in any way the sale of children for sex of sex slaves-if you read that in the text you are extrapolating from nothing. In fact, many sections warn against such perverse practices.
solomon did. who says heavenly mother is silent in our scriptures?
“I, wisdom, dwell with prudence,
and I find knowledge and discretion.
13 The fear of the LORD is hatred of evil.
Pride and arrogance and the way of evil
and perverted speech I hate.
14 I have counsel and sound wisdom;
I have insight; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign,
and rulers decree what is just;
16 by me princes rule,
and nobles, all who govern justly.
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me diligently find me.
18 Riches and honor are with me,
enduring wealth and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, even fine gold,
and my yield than choice silver.
20 I walk in the way of righteousness,
in the paths of justice,
21 granting an inheritance to those who love me,
and filling their treasuries.
22 “The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of old.
23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there
isaiah 43How long will you go about, O you backsliding daughter? for the LORD has created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall protect a man.
isaiah 46Behold, I am doing a new thing; now it springs forth, do you not perceive it? I will make a way in the wilderness and rivers in the desert
I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’
Right mature conversation - like saying that just because someone believes Eve was punished or cursed with men ruling over her, somehow that makes that person a feminist that hates men and wants to blame everything on men.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:30 pmWell then let's not try to catch me with words.MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:23 pmHey, let’s not be a bully.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:10 pmWell you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.
You sure put your head in the sand when it involves the murder of children by women.
You'll go cry and moan about all those poor women being sold into slavery and sex abuse in India, Africa, Yemen but you won't bat an eyelash at the millions upon millions MURDERED here in your own land-specifically by WOMEN.
Is this really the game you want to play?
Of course, I'm sure in typical victimhood feminist fashion-you'll turn around and blame all those murders on men. Because it's always got to be the MAN's fault-heaven forbid a feminist ever look deep in their own soul!
When I said fathers don't sell their children into slavery and then you say "yeah they do, here, I'll show you". That's an extremely immature conversation where one is simply trying to "one-up" the other instead of having a conversation.
Of course I know SOME fathers do despicable things. Some fathers kill their families too . . .but it's also true statement when I say "father's don't kill their families".
Is there an excuse for being a bully?johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:30 pmWell then let's not try to catch me with words.MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:23 pmHey, let’s not be a bully.johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 5:10 pmWell you sure ignore all the millions upon millions of BABIES who have been MURDERED by their MOTHERS. About 60 million in this country.
You sure put your head in the sand when it involves the murder of children by women.
You'll go cry and moan about all those poor women being sold into slavery and sex abuse in India, Africa, Yemen but you won't bat an eyelash at the millions upon millions MURDERED here in your own land-specifically by WOMEN.
Is this really the game you want to play?
Of course, I'm sure in typical victimhood feminist fashion-you'll turn around and blame all those murders on men. Because it's always got to be the MAN's fault-heaven forbid a feminist ever look deep in their own soul!
When I said fathers don't sell their children into slavery and then you say "yeah they do, here, I'll show you". That's an extremely immature conversation where one is simply trying to "one-up" the other instead of having a conversation.
Of course I know SOME fathers do despicable things. Some fathers kill their families too . . .but it's also true statement when I say "father's don't kill their families".