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Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:35 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:31 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:27 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:12 pm

"All curses must be removed" That's just feminists blather and justification in order to justify the Temple changes.

It has no basis in Doctrine or in Scripture that before the 2nd Coming, this will happen. The world hasn't changed simply because we live in 2020-men are still men and women are still women.

But you are more than free to believe some new age feminists tripe that "all curses" will be removed prior to the 2nd Coming.

lol is this meant as satire or ... I'm guessing not.

Firstly, I never said anything about the Second Coming. I am beginning to feel like lately folks are debating with someone else and accidentally quoting me lol

OK sorry *ahem*

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

What will that look like when woman is no longer subject to man ruling over her? Now, that doesn't mean he won't still preside. Sarah posted some amazing quotes - which should really be their own thread - about our church leaders discussing these aspects of the curse that absolutely be lifted.

The changes in the endowment reflect these changes. Naturally, men who use any degree of compulsion in their marriage will not be happy about this change - not saying anything about you here JohnBob as it seems you didn't even chew before spitting this out.

Secondly - Brigham Young taught the women of his day will one day become Eves of their own worlds. Now, will those Eves fall first because they're less than men? Will they fall first because they are less wise or less advanced or will they fall at all (there's another thread on that. The answer is yes. They will fall so that man may be.)

They will fall first. This isn't a contest between the genders but all about roles. And when they near the end of their telestial probation, the Lord will plant little seeds to prepare his people for what's coming. Some will melt. Some will endure. Some will see.

Man hasn’t ruled over woman for a while now. Once women have their desire towards their husband (men please don’t misunderstand this thing you do not understand) removed then the curse will be lifted.

Maybe not in western nations, but in pretty much all of Asia and Africa, women have very few rights protected.

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:33 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:31 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:27 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:12 pm

"All curses must be removed" That's just feminists blather and justification in order to justify the Temple changes.

It has no basis in Doctrine or in Scripture that before the 2nd Coming, this will happen. The world hasn't changed simply because we live in 2020-men are still men and women are still women.

But you are more than free to believe some new age feminists tripe that "all curses" will be removed prior to the 2nd Coming.

lol is this meant as satire or ... I'm guessing not.

Firstly, I never said anything about the Second Coming. I am beginning to feel like lately folks are debating with someone else and accidentally quoting me lol

OK sorry *ahem*

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

What will that look like when woman is no longer subject to man ruling over her? Now, that doesn't mean he won't still preside. Sarah posted some amazing quotes - which should really be their own thread - about our church leaders discussing these aspects of the curse that absolutely be lifted.

The changes in the endowment reflect these changes. Naturally, men who use any degree of compulsion in their marriage will not be happy about this change - not saying anything about you here JohnBob as it seems you didn't even chew before spitting this out.

Secondly - Brigham Young taught the women of his day will one day become Eves of their own worlds. Now, will those Eves fall first because they're less than men? Will they fall first because they are less wise or less advanced or will they fall at all (there's another thread on that. The answer is yes. They will fall so that man may be.)

They will fall first. This isn't a contest between the genders but all about roles. And when they near the end of their telestial probation, the Lord will plant little seeds to prepare his people for what's coming. Some will melt. Some will endure. Some will see.

Man hasn’t ruled over woman for a while now. Once women have their desire towards their husband (men please don’t misunderstand this thing you do not understand) removed then the curse will be lifted.

Again you don't understand what you are advocating for.

We have and will have a Matriarchy, it has nothing to do with "the curse being lifted". The Adam and Eve story is telling us how the very nature of reality is to be ordered.

It is telling us you can't have equality, you either have Patriarchy or Matriarchy, someone must lead and someone must follow.

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:34 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:31 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:24 pm

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 1:45 pm Although the changes to the endowment to be more PC Feminist absolutely turn my stomach and make me hold my nose, this latest change to the way the clothing is made doesn't bother me at all. If it cuts costs, improves affordability for all, while still not changing the endowment, who cares? Some people need to calm down on these. We shouldn't care if the little plastic thing in the hat is no longer included. It always looked terrible anyways. Also I will not miss the little string used to attach the hat to the robe. That thing was always annoying. We need to stop nit picking ANYTHING the church does in the name of improvement. Some things really are an improvement. That little string on the hats isn't going to make the experience any less rewarding. The changing of the covenants, that's a different story though.....

Seriously need a word equal to feminism for men who advocate for men’s rights and men’s power to choose. It would make it much easier to refer to the sentiment in reverse which seems to be ramping up these days.

I don’t like women being blamed for changes made and when changes come for men it’s a “hey, everyone relax it’s a non-issue”.

I understand what you are trying to say, but I don't think you understand what is really happening.

Equality is a myth-it is an impossibility. There is always someone who is above and someone who is below-it is the nature of things.

The reason why there isn't a corresponding word is because there can't be a corresponding word. Feminism (when you look up modern feminist) encompasses this idea of "men's rights". It's the reverse of Patriarchy, Patriarchy encompassed women's rights. Women didn't agree with the idea and then flipped it on it's head.

Now men's rights are encompassed in Feminism.

Just like there is no use of toxic feminimity in modernity but there is toxic masculinity. The order is flipped.

I understand just fine. To me it’s all simply immature distractions from the reality of Gods ways. But for sake of chit chat a word to convey what I was intending would help to get the intent across.

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:33 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:31 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:27 pm

lol is this meant as satire or ... I'm guessing not.

Firstly, I never said anything about the Second Coming. I am beginning to feel like lately folks are debating with someone else and accidentally quoting me lol

OK sorry *ahem*

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

What will that look like when woman is no longer subject to man ruling over her? Now, that doesn't mean he won't still preside. Sarah posted some amazing quotes - which should really be their own thread - about our church leaders discussing these aspects of the curse that absolutely be lifted.

The changes in the endowment reflect these changes. Naturally, men who use any degree of compulsion in their marriage will not be happy about this change - not saying anything about you here JohnBob as it seems you didn't even chew before spitting this out.

Secondly - Brigham Young taught the women of his day will one day become Eves of their own worlds. Now, will those Eves fall first because they're less than men? Will they fall first because they are less wise or less advanced or will they fall at all (there's another thread on that. The answer is yes. They will fall so that man may be.)

They will fall first. This isn't a contest between the genders but all about roles. And when they near the end of their telestial probation, the Lord will plant little seeds to prepare his people for what's coming. Some will melt. Some will endure. Some will see.

Man hasn’t ruled over woman for a while now. Once women have their desire towards their husband (men please don’t misunderstand this thing you do not understand) removed then the curse will be lifted.

Again you don't understand what you are advocating for.

We have and will have a Matriarchy, it has nothing to do with "the curse being lifted". The Adam and Eve story is telling us how the very nature of reality is to be ordered.

It is telling us you can't have equality, you either have Patriarchy or Matriarchy, someone must lead and someone must follow.

Who said I was advocating for anything. How about you try to refrain from telling me I’m not understanding something based on one sentence. I understand just fine. This talk of woman’s curse being lifted to me is pretty dumb. The nature of woman is to desire her husband....is that really a curse? Only to women who don’t like it. Which is not me

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:38 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:34 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:31 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:24 pm
Seriously need a word equal to feminism for men who advocate for men’s rights and men’s power to choose. It would make it much easier to refer to the sentiment in reverse which seems to be ramping up these days.

I don’t like women being blamed for changes made and when changes come for men it’s a “hey, everyone relax it’s a non-issue”.

I understand what you are trying to say, but I don't think you understand what is really happening.

Equality is a myth-it is an impossibility. There is always someone who is above and someone who is below-it is the nature of things.

The reason why there isn't a corresponding word is because there can't be a corresponding word. Feminism (when you look up modern feminist) encompasses this idea of "men's rights". It's the reverse of Patriarchy, Patriarchy encompassed women's rights. Women didn't agree with the idea and then flipped it on it's head.

Now men's rights are encompassed in Feminism.

Just like there is no use of toxic feminimity in modernity but there is toxic masculinity. The order is flipped.

I understand just fine. To me it’s all simply immature distractions from the reality of Gods ways. But for sake of chit chat a word to convey what I was intending would help to get the intent across.

It's an immature discussion to talk about the very nature of how God created us?

Okay . . .

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:39 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:33 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:31 pm

Man hasn’t ruled over woman for a while now. Once women have their desire towards their husband (men please don’t misunderstand this thing you do not understand) removed then the curse will be lifted.

Again you don't understand what you are advocating for.

We have and will have a Matriarchy, it has nothing to do with "the curse being lifted". The Adam and Eve story is telling us how the very nature of reality is to be ordered.

It is telling us you can't have equality, you either have Patriarchy or Matriarchy, someone must lead and someone must follow.

Who said I was advocating for anything. How about you try to refrain from telling me I’m not understanding something based on one sentence. I understand just fine. This talk of woman’s curse being lifted to me is pretty dumb. The nature of woman is to desire her husband....is that really a curse? Only to women who don’t like it. Which is not me

I'm "mansplaining" I'm sure . . .sigh

How about you just simply explain yourself better?

You say "don't misunderstand me" but then fail to actually explain yourself leaving it up to someone else to figure out what you are thinking but don't want to say.

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:41 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:38 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:34 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:31 pm
I understand what you are trying to say, but I don't think you understand what is really happening.

Equality is a myth-it is an impossibility. There is always someone who is above and someone who is below-it is the nature of things.

The reason why there isn't a corresponding word is because there can't be a corresponding word. Feminism (when you look up modern feminist) encompasses this idea of "men's rights". It's the reverse of Patriarchy, Patriarchy encompassed women's rights. Women didn't agree with the idea and then flipped it on it's head.

Now men's rights are encompassed in Feminism.

Just like there is no use of toxic feminimity in modernity but there is toxic masculinity. The order is flipped.

I understand just fine. To me it’s all simply immature distractions from the reality of Gods ways. But for sake of chit chat a word to convey what I was intending would help to get the intent across.

It's an immature discussion to talk about the very nature of how God created us?

Okay . . .

Hmmm....?

This talk of toxic masculinity and toxic feminism the way the world seems to never cease from mentioning is what I was referring to. It’s also what I was referring to in my very first comment to point out how stupid it is. Just let go JohnBob.

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:35 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:31 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:27 pm

lol is this meant as satire or ... I'm guessing not.

Firstly, I never said anything about the Second Coming. I am beginning to feel like lately folks are debating with someone else and accidentally quoting me lol

OK sorry *ahem*

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

What will that look like when woman is no longer subject to man ruling over her? Now, that doesn't mean he won't still preside. Sarah posted some amazing quotes - which should really be their own thread - about our church leaders discussing these aspects of the curse that absolutely be lifted.

The changes in the endowment reflect these changes. Naturally, men who use any degree of compulsion in their marriage will not be happy about this change - not saying anything about you here JohnBob as it seems you didn't even chew before spitting this out.

Secondly - Brigham Young taught the women of his day will one day become Eves of their own worlds. Now, will those Eves fall first because they're less than men? Will they fall first because they are less wise or less advanced or will they fall at all (there's another thread on that. The answer is yes. They will fall so that man may be.)

They will fall first. This isn't a contest between the genders but all about roles. And when they near the end of their telestial probation, the Lord will plant little seeds to prepare his people for what's coming. Some will melt. Some will endure. Some will see.

Man hasn’t ruled over woman for a while now. Once women have their desire towards their husband (men please don’t misunderstand this thing you do not understand) removed then the curse will be lifted.

Maybe not in western nations, but in pretty much all of Asia and Africa, women have very few rights protected.

Like the ability to kill their offspring?

Yeah that's a great win for God.

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:44 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:39 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:33 pm
Again you don't understand what you are advocating for.

We have and will have a Matriarchy, it has nothing to do with "the curse being lifted". The Adam and Eve story is telling us how the very nature of reality is to be ordered.

It is telling us you can't have equality, you either have Patriarchy or Matriarchy, someone must lead and someone must follow.

Who said I was advocating for anything. How about you try to refrain from telling me I’m not understanding something based on one sentence. I understand just fine. This talk of woman’s curse being lifted to me is pretty dumb. The nature of woman is to desire her husband....is that really a curse? Only to women who don’t like it. Which is not me

I'm "mansplaining" I'm sure . . .sigh

How about you just simply explain yourself better?

You say "don't misunderstand me" but then fail to actually explain yourself leaving it up to someone else to figure out what you are thinking but don't want to say.

Sorry, I find elongated explanations also annoy people. Hope you can simply let it go. There are people here who will know exactly what I’m saying (wish it could have been left at my first comment) and my comment is aimed towards that.

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:35 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:31 pm

Man hasn’t ruled over woman for a while now. Once women have their desire towards their husband (men please don’t misunderstand this thing you do not understand) removed then the curse will be lifted.

Maybe not in western nations, but in pretty much all of Asia and Africa, women have very few rights protected.

Like the ability to kill their offspring?

Yeah that's a great win for God.

I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 1:45 pm Although the changes to the endowment to be more PC Feminist absolutely turn my stomach and make me hold my nose, this latest change to the way the clothing is made doesn't bother me at all. If it cuts costs, improves affordability for all, while still not changing the endowment, who cares? Some people need to calm down on these. We shouldn't care if the little plastic thing in the hat is no longer included. It always looked terrible anyways. Also I will not miss the little string used to attach the hat to the robe. That thing was always annoying. We need to stop nit picking ANYTHING the church does in the name of improvement. Some things really are an improvement. That little string on the hats isn't going to make the experience any less rewarding. The changing of the covenants, that's a different story though.....

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:46 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:41 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:38 pm

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:34 pm

I understand just fine. To me it’s all simply immature distractions from the reality of Gods ways. But for sake of chit chat a word to convey what I was intending would help to get the intent across.

It's an immature discussion to talk about the very nature of how God created us?

Okay . . .

Hmmm....?

This talk of toxic masculinity and toxic feminism the way the world seems to never cease from mentioning is what I was referring to. It’s also what I was referring to in my very first comment to point out how stupid it is. Just let go JohnBob.

How stupid the world is about toxic masculinity?

Yes I agree it's very stupid for the world to go on about toxic masculinity. I'd like to solve that problem-I'd like for it to never be an issue. I'd like for us to never have to talk about it-that would be fantastic.

But you don't get to that point by simply ignoring it-you get to that point by understanding why it is that "toxic masculinity" has become such a thing. You get to that point by understanding the root of why it is that it is such a topic of conversation.

JK4Woods wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:07 pm

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 1:45 pm Although the changes to the endowment to be more PC Feminist absolutely turn my stomach and make me hold my nose, this latest change to the way the clothing is made doesn't bother me at all. If it cuts costs, improves affordability for all, while still not changing the endowment, who cares? Some people need to calm down on these. We shouldn't care if the little plastic thing in the hat is no longer included. It always looked terrible anyways. Also I will not miss the little string used to attach the hat to the robe. That thing was always annoying. We need to stop nit picking ANYTHING the church does in the name of improvement. Some things really are an improvement. That little string on the hats isn't going to make the experience any less rewarding. The changing of the covenants, that's a different story though.....

The string was there for only one purpose, to keep the robe from sliding off a sloped shoulder guy.
Husky Scandanavians with square shoulders didn't need it, sloped shoulder farmers sure did, else the robe would keep sliding off down the arm.
There was not other reason for it... Any other symbolisim is made up.

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:35 pm

Maybe not in western nations, but in pretty much all of Asia and Africa, women have very few rights protected.

Like the ability to kill their offspring?

Yeah that's a great win for God.

I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.

I'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!

And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.

And your point is?

If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.

Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.

Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.

How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?

Alaris wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:27 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:12 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:08 pm

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 1:45 pm Although the changes to the endowment to be more PC Feminist absolutely turn my stomach and make me hold my nose, this latest change to the way the clothing is made doesn't bother me at all. If it cuts costs, improves affordability for all, while still not changing the endowment, who cares? Some people need to calm down on these. We shouldn't care if the little plastic thing in the hat is no longer included. It always looked terrible anyways. Also I will not miss the little string used to attach the hat to the robe. That thing was always annoying. We need to stop nit picking ANYTHING the church does in the name of improvement. Some things really are an improvement. That little string on the hats isn't going to make the experience any less rewarding. The changing of the covenants, that's a different story though.....

The feminist changes in our society was the adversary's response to what he knew was coming and not the other way around.

D&C 113:9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her neck; 2d verse?
10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the 6th, 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the Gentiles.

All curses must be removed before the Millennium can begin including Eve's curses. There's a lot more to it, but just a little seed for you to consider.

"All curses must be removed" That's just feminists blather and justification in order to justify the Temple changes.

It has no basis in Doctrine or in Scripture that before the 2nd Coming, this will happen. The world hasn't changed simply because we live in 2020-men are still men and women are still women.

But you are more than free to believe some new age feminists tripe that "all curses" will be removed prior to the 2nd Coming.

lol is this meant as satire or ... I'm guessing not.

Firstly, I never said anything about the Second Coming. I am beginning to feel like lately folks are debating with someone else and accidentally quoting me lol

OK sorry *ahem*

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

What will that look like when woman is no longer subject to man ruling over her? Now, that doesn't mean he won't still preside. Sarah posted some amazing quotes - which should really be their own thread - about our church leaders discussing these aspects of the curse that absolutely be lifted. We're talking about the vast majority of history where woman must be subject to her husband for shelter and basic needs. We take this for granted because it's been gone here in our country - but it is still present all over the world. My in laws are on a mission to India. My father in law was asked by an investigator how often he beats his wife.

The changes in the endowment reflect these changes. Naturally, men who use any degree of compulsion in their marriage will not be happy about this change - not saying anything about you here JohnBob as it seems you didn't even chew before spitting this out.

Secondly - Brigham Young taught the women of his day will one day become Eves of their own worlds. Now, will those Eves fall first because they're less than men? Will they fall first because they are less wise or less advanced or will they fall at all (there's another thread on that. The answer is yes. They will fall so that man may be.)

They will fall first. This isn't a contest between the genders but all about roles. And when they near the end of their telestial probation, the Lord will plant little seeds to prepare his people for what's coming. Some will melt. Some will endure. Some will see.

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:28 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:27 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:12 pm

Alaris wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:08 pm

The feminist changes in our society was the adversary's response to what he knew was coming and not the other way around.

D&C 113:9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her neck; 2d verse?
10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the 6th, 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the Gentiles.

All curses must be removed before the Millennium can begin including Eve's curses. There's a lot more to it, but just a little seed for you to consider.

"All curses must be removed" That's just feminists blather and justification in order to justify the Temple changes.

It has no basis in Doctrine or in Scripture that before the 2nd Coming, this will happen. The world hasn't changed simply because we live in 2020-men are still men and women are still women.

But you are more than free to believe some new age feminists tripe that "all curses" will be removed prior to the 2nd Coming.

lol is this meant as satire or ... I'm guessing not.

Firstly, I never said anything about the Second Coming. I am beginning to feel like lately folks are debating with someone else and accidentally quoting me lol

OK sorry *ahem*

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

What will that look like when woman is no longer subject to man ruling over her? Now, that doesn't mean he won't still preside. Sarah posted some amazing quotes - which should really be their own thread - about our church leaders discussing these aspects of the curse that absolutely be lifted. We're talking about the vast majority of history where woman must be subject to her husband for shelter and basic needs. We take this for granted because it's been gone here in our country - but it is still present all over the world. My in laws are on a mission to India. My father in law was asked by an investigator how often he beats his wife.

The changes in the endowment reflect these changes. Naturally, men who use any degree of compulsion in their marriage will not be happy about this change - not saying anything about you here JohnBob as it seems you didn't even chew before spitting this out.

Secondly - Brigham Young taught the women of his day will one day become Eves of their own worlds. Now, will those Eves fall first because they're less than men? Will they fall first because they are less wise or less advanced or will they fall at all (there's another thread on that. The answer is yes. They will fall so that man may be.)

They will fall first. This isn't a contest between the genders but all about roles. And when they near the end of their telestial probation, the Lord will plant little seeds to prepare his people for what's coming. Some will melt. Some will endure. Some will see.

More feminist propaganda^

The "curse" will eventually be lifted, but only that of having to physically suffer through child birth. That's a result of this imperfect world. Furthermore, yes, women wont rely on their husbands for sustenance since we wont have to worry about working a 9 to 5 to eat, live, and sleep.
As to women holding th priesthood, utter rubbish. Women holding equal power with their husbands, again, rubbish. We dont see it in the heavens now with Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. What, is Heavenly Father also going to be more woke in the hereafter? Is Heavenly Mother under a curse too? Why dont we pray to our Mother Goddess?? If she is equal in authority and power to our Heavenly Father, than she holds more power and authority than Jesus Christ. Where are our temples to Her?

Just silly what some feminists posit for "knowledge". SMH

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:35 pm

Maybe not in western nations, but in pretty much all of Asia and Africa, women have very few rights protected.

Like the ability to kill their offspring?

Yeah that's a great win for God.

I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.

I'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!

And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.

And your point is?

If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.

Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.

Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.

How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?

MMbelieve wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:23 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm
Like the ability to kill their offspring?

Yeah that's a great win for God.

I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.

I'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!

And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.

And your point is?

If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.

Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.

Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.

How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?

One of the things that men can do or offer as men in this world is to keep other bad men at bay for woman and children. Like a lion who walks the perimeter of his territory. This is done by a lot of men in this world because it’s part of their natures if they are true to it. Sadly, there are too many bad men in the world who let power and authority or possessiveness get to them and believe they are superior to women and women are indeed less than a man. This is pretty obvious.

What many dismiss from Sarah’s words in the absolute truth for many women around the world and I’m really not sure why people are so quick to dismiss it. It is not truth for all but it’s truth for enough.

Men are great and needed and I hope men can realize this in a way that uplifts those around them and makes the world a better place. This is male leadership!

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm
Like the ability to kill their offspring?

Yeah that's a great win for God.

I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.

I'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!

And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.

And your point is?

If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.

Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.

Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.

How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?

Yes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.

India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo

Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo

Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo

I could go on and on and on....

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:37 pm
Like the ability to kill their offspring?

Yeah that's a great win for God.

I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.

I'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!

And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.

And your point is?

If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.

Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.

Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.

How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?

Yes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.

India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo

Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo

Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo

I could go on and on and on....

Connie561 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:07 pm I am open minded about the changes to the temple ceremonial clothing. I may buy a new robe if it is easier to get on and it not fall off my shoulder.

Rick Grimes wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:10 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 4:00 pm

johnBob wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:58 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 2:47 pm

I will start a thread to open your eyes to reality. Women across the world are viewed as property, to be sold as young brides, sex slaves, sex workers, servants to pagan priests, it really is sickening what many women in these heathen and Islamic nation's have had to endure. And even if a woman is lucky enough to find a kind husband, she still must have permission from him to do just about anything.

I'm sure a father would want his daughter sold as a sex slave-right!

And who are the ones who go fight wars? Men across the world have been viewed as body shields and simply muscle and cannon fodder for wars too. Men have been brutally maimed, pillaged and yes raped by other men too.

And your point is?

If you want me to agree that some belief systems are worse than others-yes I will agree with you. I'll agree with you Islam is horrible, I'm not going to agree with you that for all time from Adam down to present men did nothing to protect women than women were always and forever have been abused by men.

Dinah? Dinah was raped and the sons of Israel killed the entire town for raping their Sister.

Men have in the past and still do today protect their wives, sisters, daughters from other despicable men. If you ignore that-well good luck.

How many fathers had "shot-gun" weddings in the past to ensure if some man took advantage of his daughter the man would do right by her?

Yes, actually millions of fathers have sold their daughters to be sex-slaves, even to so-called husbands. In patriarchal cultures where the women have no rights, the husbands can rape their wives as much as they want. In fact, there are millions of fathers who rape and molest their daughters. You are believing a fantasy that it is "not so bad" to help you feel better.

India's slave brides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VulRaK1i6qo

Father sells his child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAtLQxWhLo

Fathers selling daughers in Yemen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo

I could go on and on and on....

Sarah, you are damaged or something that you might need counseling for. You equate men with everything wrong in the world. At every post, you are posting horrific things about men. Are there bad guys out there, absolutely. Are there bad women? Yes. I could post stories of women who murdered their children. What good would that do though? What would it prove?

The patriarchal order is one established by God and is the mode of government in the Heavens. No matter how much the feminists cry about it or how shrill their voice gets complaining about it, this will never change. You might as well complain about water being wet for all the good it would do. Please understand that there is good and bad with all people, and some bad apples does not disqualify God's government.