Personal revelation and coming home from mission

[johnBob]

I want to make it clear that the hard events of my mission were not an excuse to come home. I would have stayed out there and struggled a whole other year, or however long if that was what the Lord wanted. In fact, it was only a few months into my mission that I was questioning staying out. I asked and the Lord told me to stay, and that he would tell me when my “time here was over.” It wasn’t until a year out that the Lord told me it was time.

I was using this post to explain my story, to just let things out that have been bottled up so long, and to show what I understand in terms of following the spirit.

The older I get the more I become convinced most people don't have a clue when God is talking to them or when they are really hearing themselves or when they hear other spirits.

I hear and see so many people saying things like the above but just switch out the context-it could be anything from "God told me to divorce my wife" to "God told me to start dating the same-sex".

I'm not convinced you have the slightest clue of when God is talking to you and when He's not.

Quite frankly, if you are/were so convinced it was God talking to you-you wouldn't need to come anonymously on some internet website looking for support that it really was God talking to you. If it was God talking to you-you won't need to "let things out that have been bottled up so long" and to "show you understand" following the "spirit".

Why are you looking for validation and support in random strangers who know nothing of you. If it really was God talking to you (which it wasn't), you'd have the self-confidence to know and you'd never need to proselytize your abnormal experience by trying to make it appear as you really are some righteous dude who knows Gods will in order to justify your behavior in quitting a mission.

So, tell me in positive, clear, and in plain terms how you know God is talking to you?

...

Almost always, by His Word. A Scripture will be brought to my remembrance.

It's the pattern by which Christ showed how God talked to Him. He quoted Scripture.
It's the same pattern by which Nephi knew God was talking to Him-a Scripture was brought to his remembrance.

It's why learning God's Word is so critical, very, very few individuals are like a Joseph Smith where their word IS scripture-and I ain't one of them and I don't know of anyone alive who is like that.

If you don't know His Word, the Logos, how are you ever going to distinguish between your own voice and God's voice or other spirits voices?

[Zathura]

Much of what you've said about a baptism of fire is true-yet God wouldn't send you home from a mission; he'd tell you to help others while you are on a mission.

Nope-something(s) happened on your mission to which you said-I'm done. And then you asked God, "I'm done, I want to go home", and you believe God said "yeap, sure, go home, quit being a missionary in a foreign land". Nah, I don't buy it-your story does not fall in-line with the pattern of righteous people who have talked to God and understand His voice.

"God wouldn't tell someone to cut another man's head off"

-Probably johnBob in 700 BC

[John Tavner]

I want to make it clear that the hard events of my mission were not an excuse to come home. I would have stayed out there and struggled a whole other year, or however long if that was what the Lord wanted. In fact, it was only a few months into my mission that I was questioning staying out. I asked and the Lord told me to stay, and that he would tell me when my “time here was over.” It wasn’t until a year out that the Lord told me it was time.

I was using this post to explain my story, to just let things out that have been bottled up so long, and to show what I understand in terms of following the spirit.

The older I get the more I become convinced most people don't have a clue when God is talking to them or when they are really hearing themselves or when they hear other spirits.

I hear and see so many people saying things like the above but just switch out the context-it could be anything from "God told me to divorce my wife" to "God told me to start dating the same-sex".

I'm not convinced you have the slightest clue of when God is talking to you and when He's not.

Quite frankly, if you are/were so convinced it was God talking to you-you wouldn't need to come anonymously on some internet website looking for support that it really was God talking to you. If it was God talking to you-you won't need to "let things out that have been bottled up so long" and to "show you understand" following the "spirit".

Why are you looking for validation and support in random strangers who know nothing of you. If it really was God talking to you (which it wasn't), you'd have the self-confidence to know and you'd never need to proselytize your abnormal experience by trying to make it appear as you really are some righteous dude who knows Gods will in order to justify your behavior in quitting a mission.

You are right though that many people do not know what the SPirit is, but htat is because they have LISTENED TO MAN and NOT TO GOD. The only way to know His voice is to Come unto Him and Seek Him.

There is this problem within the church at many levels 1) is the level people base it off feelings - which to be fair are sometimes a confirmation of the Spirit, but it is not the Spirit speaking generally. Feelings do not equate with the Spirit. 2) There are those who believe the Holy Spirit must be a powerful manifestation and that is the only way the Spirit speaks and those manifestations are rare - this is also incorrect. 3) Those that don't think the Spirit speaks to them at all - this group is a tragic group because the do not understand the love of God 4) Those who follow the first promting that comes to their mind and if it seems good to follow it and think it is always the Spirit and 5) Those who consider all thoughts that come to the mind and seek confirmation form the Lord asking if there are any unclean or evil spirits present that influenced their answers/thoughts. The Spirit is a still small voice. It isn't in the thunder, the quakings, the fire, the wind, it is a still small voice. It is a higher resonance than our own. Sometimes there are deceiving spirits that place false thougths in there. This is why we always seek the Lord's will. The more we understand and listen and seek the Lord - the more we will be able to "hear his voice" For His sheep Hear his voice.

I believe that tylerdurden was following the Spirit. I believe even if a mistake was made, that the Lord will be merciful and teach him more because I can feel his sincerity in seeking the Lord. Additionally I do not believe that he was seeking validation and support -and even if he were, it can be a lonely road - it takes a while to rely wholey upon the Lord and not care what others think. It takes complete trust in His voice. I imagine there are things you do often in which you seek validation and support. What is important is that we seek hte Lord. We should judge righteously by seeking the Lord's will. If you are struggling to hear the Lord's voice I suggest asking the Lord if He loves you and listen. Don't force it just listen. Hear the difference between you saying yes or no in your head and then hearing the actual Yes from the Lord. There is a difference.

I wish we could believe, I wish we could shed our unbelief and I wish we could stop being so hard on those that are just trying to seek the Lord. The Lord loves you, He wants to speak to you and He also answers our questions according to how we ask them. What happens is often we don't ask the right questions and make a lot of assumptions. Regardless, I believe tylerdurden made the right choice - Everything he has discussed IS found in the Book of Mormon, and it can only be learned by the Spirit.

[Zathura]

I want to make it clear that the hard events of my mission were not an excuse to come home. I would have stayed out there and struggled a whole other year, or however long if that was what the Lord wanted. In fact, it was only a few months into my mission that I was questioning staying out. I asked and the Lord told me to stay, and that he would tell me when my “time here was over.” It wasn’t until a year out that the Lord told me it was time.

I was using this post to explain my story, to just let things out that have been bottled up so long, and to show what I understand in terms of following the spirit.

The older I get the more I become convinced most people don't have a clue when God is talking to them or when they are really hearing themselves or when they hear other spirits.

I hear and see so many people saying things like the above but just switch out the context-it could be anything from "God told me to divorce my wife" to "God told me to start dating the same-sex".

I'm not convinced you have the slightest clue of when God is talking to you and when He's not.

Quite frankly, if you are/were so convinced it was God talking to you-you wouldn't need to come anonymously on some internet website looking for support that it really was God talking to you.

I wasn’t asking for support or other people’s opinion to know if the Lord truly spoke to me. I came to share an example.My point was that the Lord’s commands could be unconventional at times and that we should always do what the Lord tells you to do.

I am not setting myself above you. I am not saying I am more righteous that you. I am not bragging. This post was for your benefit, not mine.

Do you even hear yourself?

"I'm not setting myself above you"
"This post was for your benefit, not mine"
"I came to share an example" (i.e. I know better than you).

You see what you want to see.

[johnBob]

Much of what you've said about a baptism of fire is true-yet God wouldn't send you home from a mission; he'd tell you to help others while you are on a mission.

Nope-something(s) happened on your mission to which you said-I'm done. And then you asked God, "I'm done, I want to go home", and you believe God said "yeap, sure, go home, quit being a missionary in a foreign land". Nah, I don't buy it-your story does not fall in-line with the pattern of righteous people who have talked to God and understand His voice.

"God wouldn't tell someone to cut another man's head off"

-Probably johnBob in 700 BC

And that story is so overused and misused.

"God wouldn't tell a man to marry another man"
Stahura 2020

[Zathura]

I want to make it clear that the hard events of my mission were not an excuse to come home. I would have stayed out there and struggled a whole other year, or however long if that was what the Lord wanted. In fact, it was only a few months into my mission that I was questioning staying out. I asked and the Lord told me to stay, and that he would tell me when my “time here was over.” It wasn’t until a year out that the Lord told me it was time.

I was using this post to explain my story, to just let things out that have been bottled up so long, and to show what I understand in terms of following the spirit.

The older I get the more I become convinced most people don't have a clue when God is talking to them or when they are really hearing themselves or when they hear other spirits.

I hear and see so many people saying things like the above but just switch out the context-it could be anything from "God told me to divorce my wife" to "God told me to start dating the same-sex".

I'm not convinced you have the slightest clue of when God is talking to you and when He's not.

Quite frankly, if you are/were so convinced it was God talking to you-you wouldn't need to come anonymously on some internet website looking for support that it really was God talking to you. If it was God talking to you-you won't need to "let things out that have been bottled up so long" and to "show you understand" following the "spirit".

Why are you looking for validation and support in random strangers who know nothing of you. If it really was God talking to you (which it wasn't), you'd have the self-confidence to know and you'd never need to proselytize your abnormal experience by trying to make it appear as you really are some righteous dude who knows Gods will in order to justify your behavior in quitting a mission.

You're assuming he's looking for validation and support. You're critical of him simply because you disagree with him.
JohnBob. I'm convinced you haven't the slightest clue what Tyler is actually saying here, what his intentions and desires are. So maybe just shhhhhhh.

[johnBob]

The older I get the more I become convinced most people don't have a clue when God is talking to them or when they are really hearing themselves or when they hear other spirits.

I hear and see so many people saying things like the above but just switch out the context-it could be anything from "God told me to divorce my wife" to "God told me to start dating the same-sex".

I'm not convinced you have the slightest clue of when God is talking to you and when He's not.

Quite frankly, if you are/were so convinced it was God talking to you-you wouldn't need to come anonymously on some internet website looking for support that it really was God talking to you.

I wasn’t asking for support or other people’s opinion to know if the Lord truly spoke to me. I came to share an example.My point was that the Lord’s commands could be unconventional at times and that we should always do what the Lord tells you to do.

I am not setting myself above you. I am not saying I am more righteous that you. I am not bragging. This post was for your benefit, not mine.

Do you even hear yourself?

"I'm not setting myself above you"
"This post was for your benefit, not mine"
"I came to share an example" (i.e. I know better than you).

You see what you want to see.

That's exactly right-if you want to believe God can tell a man to marry another man and it's okay, that's what you will see.

Keep going down the drain!

[johnBob]

I want to make it clear that the hard events of my mission were not an excuse to come home. I would have stayed out there and struggled a whole other year, or however long if that was what the Lord wanted. In fact, it was only a few months into my mission that I was questioning staying out. I asked and the Lord told me to stay, and that he would tell me when my “time here was over.” It wasn’t until a year out that the Lord told me it was time.

I was using this post to explain my story, to just let things out that have been bottled up so long, and to show what I understand in terms of following the spirit.

The older I get the more I become convinced most people don't have a clue when God is talking to them or when they are really hearing themselves or when they hear other spirits.

I hear and see so many people saying things like the above but just switch out the context-it could be anything from "God told me to divorce my wife" to "God told me to start dating the same-sex".

I'm not convinced you have the slightest clue of when God is talking to you and when He's not.

Quite frankly, if you are/were so convinced it was God talking to you-you wouldn't need to come anonymously on some internet website looking for support that it really was God talking to you. If it was God talking to you-you won't need to "let things out that have been bottled up so long" and to "show you understand" following the "spirit".

Why are you looking for validation and support in random strangers who know nothing of you. If it really was God talking to you (which it wasn't), you'd have the self-confidence to know and you'd never need to proselytize your abnormal experience by trying to make it appear as you really are some righteous dude who knows Gods will in order to justify your behavior in quitting a mission.

You're assuming he's looking for validation and support. You're critical of him simply because you disagree with him.
JohnBob. I'm convinced you haven't the slightest clue what Tyler is actually saying here, what his intentions and desires are. So maybe just shhhhhhh.

But you do . . .
yeah right.

[Zathura]

Much of what you've said about a baptism of fire is true-yet God wouldn't send you home from a mission; he'd tell you to help others while you are on a mission.

Nope-something(s) happened on your mission to which you said-I'm done. And then you asked God, "I'm done, I want to go home", and you believe God said "yeap, sure, go home, quit being a missionary in a foreign land". Nah, I don't buy it-your story does not fall in-line with the pattern of righteous people who have talked to God and understand His voice.

"God wouldn't tell someone to cut another man's head off"

-Probably johnBob in 700 BC

And that story is so overused and misused.

"God wouldn't tell a man to marry another man"
Stahura 2020

I get that you think you look smart because you answered quickly, but you don't.

In reality, the Spirit has, does, and will tell man to do things that don't seem correct to you at first. I cited an example that literally happened that should have made you realize this, instead you just replied with something incredibly stupid and fictional to try and get back on that high horse of yours.

[Zathura]

I want to make it clear that the hard events of my mission were not an excuse to come home. I would have stayed out there and struggled a whole other year, or however long if that was what the Lord wanted. In fact, it was only a few months into my mission that I was questioning staying out. I asked and the Lord told me to stay, and that he would tell me when my “time here was over.” It wasn’t until a year out that the Lord told me it was time.

I was using this post to explain my story, to just let things out that have been bottled up so long, and to show what I understand in terms of following the spirit.

The older I get the more I become convinced most people don't have a clue when God is talking to them or when they are really hearing themselves or when they hear other spirits.

I hear and see so many people saying things like the above but just switch out the context-it could be anything from "God told me to divorce my wife" to "God told me to start dating the same-sex".

I'm not convinced you have the slightest clue of when God is talking to you and when He's not.

Quite frankly, if you are/were so convinced it was God talking to you-you wouldn't need to come anonymously on some internet website looking for support that it really was God talking to you. If it was God talking to you-you won't need to "let things out that have been bottled up so long" and to "show you understand" following the "spirit".

Why are you looking for validation and support in random strangers who know nothing of you. If it really was God talking to you (which it wasn't), you'd have the self-confidence to know and you'd never need to proselytize your abnormal experience by trying to make it appear as you really are some righteous dude who knows Gods will in order to justify your behavior in quitting a mission.

You're assuming he's looking for validation and support. You're critical of him simply because you disagree with him.
JohnBob. I'm convinced you haven't the slightest clue what Tyler is actually saying here, what his intentions and desires are. So maybe just shhhhhhh.

But you do . . .
yeah right.

I don't know what his intentions and desires are, which is why I wasn't foolish enough to claim I know what his actual reasoning is behind leaving his mission.

Stop being defensive and just chill. You were wrong to make any assumption. None of us know his intents and desires, people like you need to stop making it about the person and discuss his MESSAGE and not THE MESSENGER.

[Zathura]

I wasn’t asking for support or other people’s opinion to know if the Lord truly spoke to me. I came to share an example.My point was that the Lord’s commands could be unconventional at times and that we should always do what the Lord tells you to do.

I am not setting myself above you. I am not saying I am more righteous that you. I am not bragging. This post was for your benefit, not mine.

Do you even hear yourself?

"I'm not setting myself above you"
"This post was for your benefit, not mine"
"I came to share an example" (i.e. I know better than you).

You see what you want to see.

That's exactly right-if you want to believe God can tell a man to marry another man and it's okay, that's what you will see.

Keep going down the drain!

Did you actually think you're on solid ground when you clicked that submit button? Or did you feel that feeling people feel when they know what they're about to say is dumb but they do it anyway?

[John Tavner]

Much of what you've said about a baptism of fire is true-yet God wouldn't send you home from a mission; he'd tell you to help others while you are on a mission.

Nope-something(s) happened on your mission to which you said-I'm done. And then you asked God, "I'm done, I want to go home", and you believe God said "yeap, sure, go home, quit being a missionary in a foreign land". Nah, I don't buy it-your story does not fall in-line with the pattern of righteous people who have talked to God and understand His voice.

One can not teach others how to receive if they ahve not received themselves. It is a testimony of Christ - the first. THe second testimony is the second comforter. When one receives the Gift, the Lord increases Charity in their lives. It is an actual change of being. One can return to old ways, but hte Lord is so merciful and if we continue to submit the Gift of Charity increases dramatically. We become love, because that is what Christ is. Yes, sin is still called out, but it is called out to teach people to come to Christ for it is the goodness of God that leads to repentance.

[johnBob]

Everyone wants to use Nephi's story or Abraham's story as an example in that it's okay to go against the known grain of what is right. Except everyone misses the entire point.

What happened to Nephi BEFORE this happened-he saw an angel!
What happened to Abraham BEFORE he sacrificed Isaac. An angel came and told him he would have a son!

The commandment from God to disobey a prime commandment only comes AFTER the glorious manifestation-not before. It comes AFTER one has had much EXPERIENCE in dealing with God. Not in the beginning.

These examples are to warn us, not to guide us. They warn us to NOT be disobedient to God's commandments written down in Scriptures- and that if we are disobedient to what has been written down in Scripture and if we believe that it's a commandment from God himself to be disobedient, we should be very, very cautious. Have we had the same experience as Abraham and Nephi prior to this? Have we seen angels of God PRIOR to our belief that God is commanding us to be disobedient?

If yes, then maybe, maybe it is from God-if no, sorry you are out of luck-it's just your own vain imaginations.

[johnBob]

The older I get the more I become convinced most people don't have a clue when God is talking to them or when they are really hearing themselves or when they hear other spirits.

I hear and see so many people saying things like the above but just switch out the context-it could be anything from "God told me to divorce my wife" to "God told me to start dating the same-sex".

I'm not convinced you have the slightest clue of when God is talking to you and when He's not.

Quite frankly, if you are/were so convinced it was God talking to you-you wouldn't need to come anonymously on some internet website looking for support that it really was God talking to you. If it was God talking to you-you won't need to "let things out that have been bottled up so long" and to "show you understand" following the "spirit".

Why are you looking for validation and support in random strangers who know nothing of you. If it really was God talking to you (which it wasn't), you'd have the self-confidence to know and you'd never need to proselytize your abnormal experience by trying to make it appear as you really are some righteous dude who knows Gods will in order to justify your behavior in quitting a mission.

You're assuming he's looking for validation and support. You're critical of him simply because you disagree with him.
JohnBob. I'm convinced you haven't the slightest clue what Tyler is actually saying here, what his intentions and desires are. So maybe just shhhhhhh.

But you do . . .
yeah right.

I don't know what his intentions and desires are, which is why I wasn't foolish enough to claim I know what his actual reasoning is behind leaving his mission.

Stop being defensive and just chill. You were wrong to make any assumption. None of us know his intents and desires, people like you need to stop making it about the person and discuss his MESSAGE and not THE MESSENGER.

I am making it about the message-which you don't want to hear.
The message the messenger is giving is that "it's okay to disobey when you think God tells you to"-that's false.

[johnBob]

Much of what you've said about a baptism of fire is true-yet God wouldn't send you home from a mission; he'd tell you to help others while you are on a mission.

Nope-something(s) happened on your mission to which you said-I'm done. And then you asked God, "I'm done, I want to go home", and you believe God said "yeap, sure, go home, quit being a missionary in a foreign land". Nah, I don't buy it-your story does not fall in-line with the pattern of righteous people who have talked to God and understand His voice.

One can not teach others how to receive if they ahve not received themselves. It is a testimony of Christ - the first. THe second testimony is the second comforter. When one receives the Gift, the Lord increases Charity in their lives. It is an actual change of being. One can return to old ways, but hte Lord is so merciful and if we continue to submit the Gift of Charity increases dramatically. We become love, because that is what Christ is. Yes, sin is still called out, but it is called out to teach people to come to Christ for it is the goodness of God that leads to repentance.

If it's a requirement that all must receive the 2nd baptism before being a missionary then everyone should come home.

[Zathura]

Everyone wants to use Nephi's story or Abraham's story as an example in that it's okay to go against the known grain of what is right. Except everyone misses the entire point.

What happened to Nephi BEFORE this happened-he saw an angel!
What happened to Abraham BEFORE he sacrificed Isaac. An angel came and told him he would have a son!

The commandment from God to disobey a prime commandment only comes AFTER the glorious manifestation-not before. It comes AFTER one has had much EXPERIENCE in dealing with God. Not in the beginning.

These examples are to warn us, not to guide us. They warn us to NOT be disobedient to God's commandments written down in Scriptures- and that if we are disobedient to what has been written down in Scripture and if we believe that it's a commandment from God himself to be disobedient, we should be very, very cautious. Have we had the same experience as Abraham and Nephi prior to this? Have we seen angels of God PRIOR to our belief that God is commanding us to be disobedient?

If yes, then maybe, maybe it is from God-if no, sorry you are out of luck-it's just your own vain imaginations.

I see how you made those connections, but there's nothing there.

Laman and Lemuel saw the angel, but exercised no faith to receive such a manifestation. I'm sorry that the example of Nephi alone destroyed the logic you used to criticize another individual. No need to justify it, just let go.

[johnBob]

Do you even hear yourself?

"I'm not setting myself above you"
"This post was for your benefit, not mine"
"I came to share an example" (i.e. I know better than you).

You see what you want to see.

That's exactly right-if you want to believe God can tell a man to marry another man and it's okay, that's what you will see.

Keep going down the drain!

Did you actually think you're on solid ground when you clicked that submit button? Or did you feel that feeling people feel when they know what they're about to say is dumb but they do it anyway?

Pot meet kettle.

[Zathura]

You're assuming he's looking for validation and support. You're critical of him simply because you disagree with him.
JohnBob. I'm convinced you haven't the slightest clue what Tyler is actually saying here, what his intentions and desires are. So maybe just shhhhhhh.

But you do . . .
yeah right.

I don't know what his intentions and desires are, which is why I wasn't foolish enough to claim I know what his actual reasoning is behind leaving his mission.

Stop being defensive and just chill. You were wrong to make any assumption. None of us know his intents and desires, people like you need to stop making it about the person and discuss his MESSAGE and not THE MESSENGER.

I am making it about the message-which you don't want to hear.
The message the messenger is giving is that "it's okay to disobey when you think God tells you to"-that's false.

Actually the message is "Follow the Spirit if it tells you to go home even if your Stake President says a Full Time Mission is the most important thing" but sure, change what he says to make yourself look less judgmental.

[johnBob]

Everyone wants to use Nephi's story or Abraham's story as an example in that it's okay to go against the known grain of what is right. Except everyone misses the entire point.

What happened to Nephi BEFORE this happened-he saw an angel!
What happened to Abraham BEFORE he sacrificed Isaac. An angel came and told him he would have a son!

The commandment from God to disobey a prime commandment only comes AFTER the glorious manifestation-not before. It comes AFTER one has had much EXPERIENCE in dealing with God. Not in the beginning.

These examples are to warn us, not to guide us. They warn us to NOT be disobedient to God's commandments written down in Scriptures- and that if we are disobedient to what has been written down in Scripture and if we believe that it's a commandment from God himself to be disobedient, we should be very, very cautious. Have we had the same experience as Abraham and Nephi prior to this? Have we seen angels of God PRIOR to our belief that God is commanding us to be disobedient?

If yes, then maybe, maybe it is from God-if no, sorry you are out of luck-it's just your own vain imaginations.

I see how you made those connections, but there's nothing there.

Laman and Lemuel saw the angel, but exercised no faith to receive such a manifestation. I'm sorry that the example of Nephi alone destroyed the logic you used to criticize another individual. No need to justify it, just let go.

Oh so you saw it but you denied it. Some deny truth and just want to self-justify in their own vain imaginations. Good luck!

[Zathura]

Everyone wants to use Nephi's story or Abraham's story as an example in that it's okay to go against the known grain of what is right. Except everyone misses the entire point.

What happened to Nephi BEFORE this happened-he saw an angel!
What happened to Abraham BEFORE he sacrificed Isaac. An angel came and told him he would have a son!

The commandment from God to disobey a prime commandment only comes AFTER the glorious manifestation-not before. It comes AFTER one has had much EXPERIENCE in dealing with God. Not in the beginning.

These examples are to warn us, not to guide us. They warn us to NOT be disobedient to God's commandments written down in Scriptures- and that if we are disobedient to what has been written down in Scripture and if we believe that it's a commandment from God himself to be disobedient, we should be very, very cautious. Have we had the same experience as Abraham and Nephi prior to this? Have we seen angels of God PRIOR to our belief that God is commanding us to be disobedient?

If yes, then maybe, maybe it is from God-if no, sorry you are out of luck-it's just your own vain imaginations.

I see how you made those connections, but there's nothing there.

Laman and Lemuel saw the angel, but exercised no faith to receive such a manifestation. I'm sorry that the example of Nephi alone destroyed the logic you used to criticize another individual. No need to justify it, just let go.

Oh so you saw it but you denied it. Some deny truth and just want to self-justify in their own vain imaginations. Good luck!

Okay smart guy

[johnBob]

But you do . . .
yeah right.

I don't know what his intentions and desires are, which is why I wasn't foolish enough to claim I know what his actual reasoning is behind leaving his mission.

Stop being defensive and just chill. You were wrong to make any assumption. None of us know his intents and desires, people like you need to stop making it about the person and discuss his MESSAGE and not THE MESSENGER.

I am making it about the message-which you don't want to hear.
The message the messenger is giving is that "it's okay to disobey when you think God tells you to"-that's false.

Actually the message is "Follow the Spirit even if your Stake President says a Full Time Mission is the most important thing" but sure, change what he says to make yourself look like less judgmental.

No, that's not the message. The message is "follow the "spirit" regardless of what anyone else says". That's a very dangerous road and leads to the perversion we have today which has wormed itself into the Church will all sorts of falsehood.

[johnBob]

Everyone wants to use Nephi's story or Abraham's story as an example in that it's okay to go against the known grain of what is right. Except everyone misses the entire point.

What happened to Nephi BEFORE this happened-he saw an angel!
What happened to Abraham BEFORE he sacrificed Isaac. An angel came and told him he would have a son!

The commandment from God to disobey a prime commandment only comes AFTER the glorious manifestation-not before. It comes AFTER one has had much EXPERIENCE in dealing with God. Not in the beginning.

These examples are to warn us, not to guide us. They warn us to NOT be disobedient to God's commandments written down in Scriptures- and that if we are disobedient to what has been written down in Scripture and if we believe that it's a commandment from God himself to be disobedient, we should be very, very cautious. Have we had the same experience as Abraham and Nephi prior to this? Have we seen angels of God PRIOR to our belief that God is commanding us to be disobedient?

If yes, then maybe, maybe it is from God-if no, sorry you are out of luck-it's just your own vain imaginations.

I see how you made those connections, but there's nothing there.

Laman and Lemuel saw the angel, but exercised no faith to receive such a manifestation. I'm sorry that the example of Nephi alone destroyed the logic you used to criticize another individual. No need to justify it, just let go.

Oh so you saw it but you denied it. Some deny truth and just want to self-justify in their own vain imaginations. Good luck!

Okay smart guy

Hey man, you're the one who seems pretty smart-don't you remember you told me to shhhhhhh-real Christlike for someone who's supposedly had the 2nd fire.

[Zathura]

You see what you want to see.

That's exactly right-if you want to believe God can tell a man to marry another man and it's okay, that's what you will see.

Keep going down the drain!

Did you actually think you're on solid ground when you clicked that submit button? Or did you feel that feeling people feel when they know what they're about to say is dumb but they do it anyway?

Pot meet kettle.

Alright, well, welcome back to the forum. Feel free to antagonize me again.

[johnBob]

That's exactly right-if you want to believe God can tell a man to marry another man and it's okay, that's what you will see.

Keep going down the drain!

Did you actually think you're on solid ground when you clicked that submit button? Or did you feel that feeling people feel when they know what they're about to say is dumb but they do it anyway?

Pot meet kettle.

Alright, well, welcome back to the forum. Feel free to antagonize me again.

Okay then . . . I didn't start off by saying a word to you-you attacked me remember? Or is saying "shhhhh" no indication of a holier-than-thou attitude?
Nice way to make it all about you and play the victim!

[Zathura]

I see how you made those connections, but there's nothing there.

Laman and Lemuel saw the angel, but exercised no faith to receive such a manifestation. I'm sorry that the example of Nephi alone destroyed the logic you used to criticize another individual. No need to justify it, just let go.

Oh so you saw it but you denied it. Some deny truth and just want to self-justify in their own vain imaginations. Good luck!

Okay smart guy

Hey man, you're the one who seems pretty smart-don't you remember you told me to shhhhhhh-real Christlike for someone who's supposedly had the 2nd fire.

@Durzan @iwritestuff @Brian I'm not getting baited into this with this person again who has decided to make the same comments that got him banned before , declaring this here and now. Ignoring, I'll be good this time!