Area Authority (Seventy) said Job 38:7 was "sexist!"???

[Rick Grimes]

That was a great observation Sirius. Thank you for sharing!

[Sarah]

Sarah, I think women will absolutely be exalted and will indeed be goddesses. However, the government and rule is not theirs. They rule through their husband. If what you say is true, and they are "co-rulers", why do we only pray to the Father? Please do not state "sexism" either because goddesses were worshipped in antiquity in numerous cultures. So it isnt about "we couldn't handle it" or such rot. Surely Christ would have spoken to us about having to pray to Heavenly mother since they are indeed co-equal in ruling in heaven?

You can believe what you will, it wont effect your salvation. However, please be wary of latching your belief system on feminism as it is not of God.

Husband and wife can be co-rulers and equal but have different roles. I am totally fine with that, having my husband focusing on certain tasks and me focusing on certain tasks. And I think a husband and wife can have an equal relationship now even with the husband presiding. It comes down to how he presides, and if he is trying to control his wife, or feels entitled to his opinion having more weight, even in areas that are more of her sphere. So I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say. I've simply provided quotes that equate Eve's curse to her husband ruling over her. It has to do with how he is fulling his role as a "ruler." Men have the strength and authority and power and overall men have tended to use unrighteous dominion in this world. So said the Lord in the D&C. That will no longer exist in the world to come, and we can look forward to that reality. How it becomes that reality I think will surprise everyone, as it will be a process of changing hearts one by one.
So yes, I believe a man can still be a Father in Heaven, his role speaking to his children, with an equal in the background, all in order to test his children to see what they will do with that reality. Will they use it as an excuse for bad or selfish behavior? Certainly there are many women who are trying to overtake or disregard a man's role and I'm not for that. I'm for equal respect and power and freedom, within different roles. And we really don't know what our Heavenly Mother does, or anything about her. In fact, isn't it kind of interesting that the reality here on earth is that moms deal with the children mostly, but we see in Heaven that it seems to be the opposite? Father in Heaven is dealing with his children, speaking to them all the time. That's not what happens here on earth. It's the mothers who are always communicating to their children. So why are women the nurturers when it appears that the only one doing that is Father?

[Sirius]

I know it's not a popular thing and will be discounted, but the order being Patriarchal also ties into the marriage order of heaven. Which wife reigns as the co ruler with the husband? If the husband leads, all wives are on equal footing, and encompass the man. Also, if praying to Heavenly Mother, which one would we be praying to? I know, I know, it's easier to just discount patriarchal marriage all together.

[Sirius]

Well if we go from the scriptures and not a video from the temple, we see in Moses 3, that Adam was the only one whom received the commandment to not eat of the forbidden fruit, directly from God. Eve, had not yet been brought forth. We can deduce from Moses 4, that she received this information later from her husband, Adam (God's established pattern). Satan doesn't even try to tempt Adam, but goes straight to Eve. We can see in the Lord God's response to Adam and Eve, that Satan had gotten them outside His established pattern, as Adam was hearkening to his wife. God restores His set pattern before removing them from the Garden.

22 Unto the woman, I, the Lord God, said: I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

23 And unto Adam, I, the Lord God, said: Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the fruit of the tree of which I commanded thee, saying—Thou shalt not eat of it, cursed shall be the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

29 Therefore I, the Lord God, will send him forth from the Garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken;

30 For as I, the Lord God, liveth, even so my words cannot return void, for as they go forth out of my mouth they must be fulfilled.

31 So I drove out the man, and I placed at the east of the Garden of Eden, cherubim and a flaming sword, which turned every way to keep the way of the tree of life.

Hmm. I'd never noticed the pattern reversal that Satan manipulated them into. Speaks volumes about fallen human nature.

Thanks for sharing.

It does speak volumes about our day and age. The Proclamation, The Family, was warning among other things, God's established order was being replaced by a fraudulent one. And not many years later, here we are, women demanding to lead and reversing roles. Men completely wandering off, having no idea of their responsibility or role. Men claiming to be women, and women claiming to be men. Children suffering because of it all. The whole family unit has been turned on it's head, simply from Satan manipulating God's established pattern and order. It's always brought cursing and destruction with it.

[mahalanobis]

Well if we go from the scriptures and not a video from the temple, we see in Moses 3, that Adam was the only one whom received the commandment to not eat of the forbidden fruit, directly from God. Eve, had not yet been brought forth. We can deduce from Moses 4, that she received this information later from her husband, Adam (God's established pattern). Satan doesn't even try to tempt Adam, but goes straight to Eve. We can see in the Lord God's response to Adam and Eve, that Satan had gotten them outside His established pattern, as Adam was hearkening to his wife. God restores His set pattern before removing them from the Garden.

22 Unto the woman, I, the Lord God, said: I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

23 And unto Adam, I, the Lord God, said: Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the fruit of the tree of which I commanded thee, saying—Thou shalt not eat of it, cursed shall be the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

29 Therefore I, the Lord God, will send him forth from the Garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken;

30 For as I, the Lord God, liveth, even so my words cannot return void, for as they go forth out of my mouth they must be fulfilled.

31 So I drove out the man, and I placed at the east of the Garden of Eden, cherubim and a flaming sword, which turned every way to keep the way of the tree of life.

Hmm. I'd never noticed the pattern reversal that Satan manipulated them into. Speaks volumes about fallen human nature.

Thanks for sharing.

It does speak volumes about our day and age. The Proclamation, The Family, was warning among other things, God's established order was being replaced by a fraudulent one. And not many years later, here we are, women demanding to lead and reversing roles. Men completely wandering off, having no idea of their responsibility or role. Men claiming to be women, and women claiming to be men. Children suffering because of it all. The whole family unit has been turned on it's head, simply from Satan manipulating God's established pattern and order. It's always brought cursing and destruction with it.

We've reversed the roles and we've screwed up. Next step is to realize what we've done, cover our nakedness, and hide ourselves from God's view.

Wow that's dramatic when applied to a whole society. Sobering.

[Sarah]

I know it's not a popular thing and will be discounted, but the order being Patriarchal also ties into the marriage order of heaven. Which wife reigns as the co ruler with the husband? If the husband leads, all wives are on equal footing, and encompass the man. Also, if praying to Heavenly Mother, which one would we be praying to? I know, I know, it's easier to just discount patriarchal marriage all together.

You only assume that the order of marriage is one man to many women, because of past practice and policy, but this is part of women's curse, to fulfill the assignment of raising up seed on this Earth. I gave multiple quotes stating that there was much more to plural marriage than was revealed, and vs. 41 in 132 allows a woman to be sealed to more than one. I know it's not a popular notion, but I know that women can have more than one husband in the eternities. Brigham spoke twice of seeing the fàmily order which the people were not organized in yet, while plural wives was in full swing. There are multiple accounts on this forum of women being allowed to be sealed to more than one man, and we currently seal dead women to all their husbands.

[Rick Grimes]

I know it's not a popular thing and will be discounted, but the order being Patriarchal also ties into the marriage order of heaven. Which wife reigns as the co ruler with the husband? If the husband leads, all wives are on equal footing, and encompass the man. Also, if praying to Heavenly Mother, which one would we be praying to? I know, I know, it's easier to just discount patriarchal marriage all together.

You only assume that the order of marriage is one man to many women, because of past practice and policy, but this is part of women's curse, to fulfill the assignment of raising up seed on this Earth. I gave multiple quotes stating that there was much more to plural marriage than was revealed, and vs. 41 in 132 allows a woman to be sealed to more than one. I know it's not a popular notion, but I know that women can have more than one husband in the eternities. Brigham spoke twice of seeing the fàmily order which the people were not organized in yet, while plural wives was in full swing. There are multiple accounts on this forum of women being allowed to be sealed to more than one man, and we currently seal dead women to all their husbands.

Sarah, the issue of women being married to which husband has been an age old conundrum. Even the Jews in Christ's day came to Him with this query, of which brother a woman would be with if they had all been married to her, and died before she did. So yes, there is still a lot of unknown about how choice will work. However, one thing is absolutely certain. The Lords house is a house of order. One woman married to multiple men would lead to chaos in any home, as the identity of the child's father would be unknown. Furthermore, your example of women being sealed to more than one man is only a formality to allow for the right couple to be sealed together here on Earth. Despite the Earthly ordinance being performed here on Earth, they are not bound on the other side to accept this ordinance. In this case, not all of these dealings will be valid as she can only be sealed to one. There are numerous instances here where a woman gets married to a man and gets sealed to him, and then he dies at a tender young age. She then remarries and lives her whole life with this new husband, although they were never sealed on account of her being sealed to another already. She then is in a dilemma over feeling guilty for wanting to be sealed to the man who she spent her Earthly life with, versus the husband she married in her youth. As the living person in this scenario, she is free to annul her previous sealing and be sealed to the second husband. It may not seem fair to the first husband, but this is one of those things that will be figured out on the other side. My own opinion is that there will be plenty of worthy sisters whose earthly father husbands were not worthy for exaltation and now they are in need of a husband who can go into exaltation with them, or perhaps one of the ubiquitous sisters who never married in this life, but were worthy for exaltation.
I am not sure where you get the notion that women will have more than one husband, but I dont think Heavenly Father is sharing His wife with some other guy. This notion seems as farfetched as women being ordained to the priesthood or men being able to give birth in the hereafter. These are some curious philosophies that you have accumulated Sarah.

[Sarah]

I know it's not a popular thing and will be discounted, but the order being Patriarchal also ties into the marriage order of heaven. Which wife reigns as the co ruler with the husband? If the husband leads, all wives are on equal footing, and encompass the man. Also, if praying to Heavenly Mother, which one would we be praying to? I know, I know, it's easier to just discount patriarchal marriage all together.

You only assume that the order of marriage is one man to many women, because of past practice and policy, but this is part of women's curse, to fulfill the assignment of raising up seed on this Earth. I gave multiple quotes stating that there was much more to plural marriage than was revealed, and vs. 41 in 132 allows a woman to be sealed to more than one. I know it's not a popular notion, but I know that women can have more than one husband in the eternities. Brigham spoke twice of seeing the fàmily order which the people were not organized in yet, while plural wives was in full swing. There are multiple accounts on this forum of women being allowed to be sealed to more than one man, and we currently seal dead women to all their husbands.

Sarah, the issue of women being married to which husband has been an age old conundrum. Even the Jews in Christ's day came to Him with this query, of which brother a woman would be with if they had all been married to her, and died before she did. So yes, there is still a lot of unknown about how choice will work. However, one thing is absolutely certain. The Lords house is a house of order. One woman married to multiple men would lead to chaos in any home, as the identity of the child's father would be unknown. Furthermore, your example of women being sealed to more than one man is only a formality to allow for the right couple to be sealed together here on Earth. Despite the Earthly ordinance being performed here on Earth, they are not bound on the other side to accept this ordinance. In this case, not all of these dealings will be valid as she can only be sealed to one. There are numerous instances here where a woman gets married to a man and gets sealed to him, and then he dies at a tender young age. She then remarries and lives her whole life with this new husband, although they were never sealed on account of her being sealed to another already. She then is in a dilemma over feeling guilty for wanting to be sealed to the man who she spent her Earthly life with, versus the husband she married in her youth. As the living person in this scenario, she is free to annul her previous sealing and be sealed to the second husband. It may not seem fair to the first husband, but this is one of those things that will be figured out on the other side. My own opinion is that there will be plenty of worthy sisters whose earthly father husbands were not worthy for exaltation and now they are in need of a husband who can go into exaltation with them, or perhaps one of the ubiquitous sisters who never married in this life, but were worthy for exaltation.
I am not sure where you get the notion that women will have more than one husband, but I dont think Heavenly Father is sharing His wife with some other guy. This notion seems as farfetched as women being ordained to the priesthood or men being able to give birth in the hereafter. These are some curious philosophies that you have accumulated Sarah.

What seems more far fetched to me is that one of these women who had more than one husband on this Earth would be forever banned from associating with a a man she loved and was married to on this Earth. It sounds chaotic but so does having hundreds of wives and billions of children. In the next life a woman is not going to walk around pregnant for 9 months. We will be able to know all things so there will be no question of who the father is. You are assuming a lot of things that are not official doctrine.

[Rick Grimes]

I know it's not a popular thing and will be discounted, but the order being Patriarchal also ties into the marriage order of heaven. Which wife reigns as the co ruler with the husband? If the husband leads, all wives are on equal footing, and encompass the man. Also, if praying to Heavenly Mother, which one would we be praying to? I know, I know, it's easier to just discount patriarchal marriage all together.

You only assume that the order of marriage is one man to many women, because of past practice and policy, but this is part of women's curse, to fulfill the assignment of raising up seed on this Earth. I gave multiple quotes stating that there was much more to plural marriage than was revealed, and vs. 41 in 132 allows a woman to be sealed to more than one. I know it's not a popular notion, but I know that women can have more than one husband in the eternities. Brigham spoke twice of seeing the fàmily order which the people were not organized in yet, while plural wives was in full swing. There are multiple accounts on this forum of women being allowed to be sealed to more than one man, and we currently seal dead women to all their husbands.

Sarah, the issue of women being married to which husband has been an age old conundrum. Even the Jews in Christ's day came to Him with this query, of which brother a woman would be with if they had all been married to her, and died before she did. So yes, there is still a lot of unknown about how choice will work. However, one thing is absolutely certain. The Lords house is a house of order. One woman married to multiple men would lead to chaos in any home, as the identity of the child's father would be unknown. Furthermore, your example of women being sealed to more than one man is only a formality to allow for the right couple to be sealed together here on Earth. Despite the Earthly ordinance being performed here on Earth, they are not bound on the other side to accept this ordinance. In this case, not all of these dealings will be valid as she can only be sealed to one. There are numerous instances here where a woman gets married to a man and gets sealed to him, and then he dies at a tender young age. She then remarries and lives her whole life with this new husband, although they were never sealed on account of her being sealed to another already. She then is in a dilemma over feeling guilty for wanting to be sealed to the man who she spent her Earthly life with, versus the husband she married in her youth. As the living person in this scenario, she is free to annul her previous sealing and be sealed to the second husband. It may not seem fair to the first husband, but this is one of those things that will be figured out on the other side. My own opinion is that there will be plenty of worthy sisters whose earthly father husbands were not worthy for exaltation and now they are in need of a husband who can go into exaltation with them, or perhaps one of the ubiquitous sisters who never married in this life, but were worthy for exaltation.
I am not sure where you get the notion that women will have more than one husband, but I dont think Heavenly Father is sharing His wife with some other guy. This notion seems as farfetched as women being ordained to the priesthood or men being able to give birth in the hereafter. These are some curious philosophies that you have accumulated Sarah.

What seems more far fetched to me is that one of these women who had more than one husband on this Earth would be forever banned from associating with a a man she loved and was married to on this Earth. It sounds chaotic but so does having hundreds of wives and billions of children. In the next life a woman is not going to walk around pregnant for 9 months. We will be able to know all things so there will be no question of who the father is. You are assuming a lot of things that are not official doctrine.

Hello Pot, I'm Kettle!

[Sarah]

You only assume that the order of marriage is one man to many women, because of past practice and policy, but this is part of women's curse, to fulfill the assignment of raising up seed on this Earth. I gave multiple quotes stating that there was much more to plural marriage than was revealed, and vs. 41 in 132 allows a woman to be sealed to more than one. I know it's not a popular notion, but I know that women can have more than one husband in the eternities. Brigham spoke twice of seeing the fàmily order which the people were not organized in yet, while plural wives was in full swing. There are multiple accounts on this forum of women being allowed to be sealed to more than one man, and we currently seal dead women to all their husbands.

Sarah, the issue of women being married to which husband has been an age old conundrum. Even the Jews in Christ's day came to Him with this query, of which brother a woman would be with if they had all been married to her, and died before she did. So yes, there is still a lot of unknown about how choice will work. However, one thing is absolutely certain. The Lords house is a house of order. One woman married to multiple men would lead to chaos in any home, as the identity of the child's father would be unknown. Furthermore, your example of women being sealed to more than one man is only a formality to allow for the right couple to be sealed together here on Earth. Despite the Earthly ordinance being performed here on Earth, they are not bound on the other side to accept this ordinance. In this case, not all of these dealings will be valid as she can only be sealed to one. There are numerous instances here where a woman gets married to a man and gets sealed to him, and then he dies at a tender young age. She then remarries and lives her whole life with this new husband, although they were never sealed on account of her being sealed to another already. She then is in a dilemma over feeling guilty for wanting to be sealed to the man who she spent her Earthly life with, versus the husband she married in her youth. As the living person in this scenario, she is free to annul her previous sealing and be sealed to the second husband. It may not seem fair to the first husband, but this is one of those things that will be figured out on the other side. My own opinion is that there will be plenty of worthy sisters whose earthly father husbands were not worthy for exaltation and now they are in need of a husband who can go into exaltation with them, or perhaps one of the ubiquitous sisters who never married in this life, but were worthy for exaltation.
I am not sure where you get the notion that women will have more than one husband, but I dont think Heavenly Father is sharing His wife with some other guy. This notion seems as farfetched as women being ordained to the priesthood or men being able to give birth in the hereafter. These are some curious philosophies that you have accumulated Sarah.

What seems more far fetched to me is that one of these women who had more than one husband on this Earth would be forever banned from associating with a a man she loved and was married to on this Earth. It sounds chaotic but so does having hundreds of wives and billions of children. In the next life a woman is not going to walk around pregnant for 9 months. We will be able to know all things so there will be no question of who the father is. You are assuming a lot of things that are not official doctrine.

Hello Pot, I'm Kettle!

I never claimed that my beliefs we're doctrine.

[DesertWonderer2]

This 70 is obviously an idiot.

Aren’t most of them...??
(Referring to the non visible “area seventies”.

I hate to agree but you are pretty much right.

[JohnnyL]

More Woke speech. I remember hearing that Eve was wiser than Adam and that she wasnt fooled at all by Satan, and that Adam "wisely followed" his wife's leadership and wisdom by partaking of the fruit. Nevermind the scriptures quote Eve stating that she was indeed "beguiled". The first step to reimagining a society is to re-write history so it conforms to the values and beliefs of whatever the controlling agenda is.

Crazy you brought this up. Because in a Bishop training meeting the night before, he said this very thing. I am paraphrasing. He said that Eve partaking of the fruit was a revelatory action. Meaning she received revelation from God and Adam followed. He then concluded with "she saved us". I am not making this up.

I don't know about her receiving revelation but if this scripture is true (what Eve says) than she really did save us from being damned.
"“Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.”

President Eyring said this:
"For instance, it was Eve who received the knowledge that Adam needed to partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge for them to keep all of God’s commandments and to form a family. I do not know why it came to Eve first, but Adam and Eve were perfectly united when the knowledge was poured out on Adam.

President Faust said this:
We all owe a great debt of gratitude to Eve. In the Garden of Eden, she and Adam were instructed not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. However, they were also reminded, “Thou mayest choose for thyself.”9 The choice was really between a continuation of their comfortable existence in Eden, where they would never progress, or a momentous exit into mortality with its opposites: pain, trials, and physical death in contrast to joy, growth, and the potential for eternal life. In contemplating this choice, we are told, “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, … and a tree to be desired to make her wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and also gave unto her husband with her, and he did eat.”10 And thus began their earthly probation and parenthood.
After the choice was made, Adam voiced this grateful expression: “Blessed be the name of God, for because of my transgression my eyes are opened, and in this life I shall have joy, and again in the flesh I shall see God.”

President Nelson said this:
“We and all mankind are forever blessed because of Eve’s great courage and wisdom. By partaking of the fruit first, she did what needed to be done. Adam was wise enough to do likewise.”

Eve should have waited to ask God, and then Adam should have waited to ask God.

[JohnnyL]

This is precisely the point.^ Leadership has redefined the narrative of the fall pleasing to feminists out there. Both the old and the New testament state that Eve was indeed beguiled or tricked. There is no wisdom in being tricked. It may be lucky, but not wisdom. Best as I can tell the only one who actually displayed true wisdom, loyalty, and compassion was Adam. He was not beguiled, but knowingly fell because he didnt want to let his wife be taken from him. He knew that he was disobeying Father by doing so, but such was his love and commitment to his wife.

The scripture quoted out of Moses is said after the events of being cast out had already happened. Eve is merely saying something out loud that they both must have realized. They already had children and had experienced both joy and sorrow. Eve stating this years after the event had already taken place does not make her "wiser" than Adam. Again, this is not to cut down our glorious mother Eve, but only to keep things honest. She was deceived. And boy are we glad she was because it helped get this world going! However, to make reference that she was somehow wiser than Adam is just not scripturally true.

“Tricked” is different than “tempted.”

So the question is...what did Eve *think* she was doing?

Women have easily borne their share of the curses of the fall, so I don’t think she (or her daughters) are getting away Scott free with anything.

As have men.

[JohnnyL]

President Nelson said this:
“We and all mankind are forever blessed because of Eve’s great courage and wisdom. By partaking of the fruit first, she did what needed to be done. Adam was wise enough to do likewise.”

Hmm. So is he saying that even though Eve didn’t have knowledge yet (before eating the fruit she had no knowledge, remember?), she somehow had great wisdom?? That does not make sense to me. Being beguiled (her phrasing) doesn’t sound like a wise choice being made to me. Could it be both a wise choice and a beguiled one at the same time? That seems like a stretch.

It might be a stretch but I think it's possible. Her saying she was beguiled is simply stating the facts, that she was tempted and charmed by Satan and his offer. She didn't realize it was Satan, so she was deceived, but she might have had the wisdom to know that she had a choice to make between life or death, and that choosing death was the only way to have seed, and that this descent had to be her and Adam's choice. God could not force them to become mortal. Maybe she realized that was the sacrifice she needed to make to progress. Even children in their innocence who do not have knowledge of good and evil, can still choose what they think will make them happy or others happy.

Maybe she should have consulted with Adam first?

[JohnnyL]

Maybe not us here in this forum, but some of the more vocal activists out there that wrote letters to SLC and were able to influence our leaders with these teachings? This was the thought I had as I pondered this question. How much are WE, collectively speaking, responsible for this reality we find ourselves in?

You cannot lobby church leaders and remain in good standing. You may sit and count the cost and still decide to do it, but there is no bottom-up influence in the church. And the leaders will not change from any action of church members unless the press or police get involved.

Not true. I know of multiple instances. And one succeeded.

[JohnnyL]

Mormon feminists on liberal-leaning LDS blogs said they received surveys from the Church asking what things about the temple ceremonies bothered them. They claim that most of their peeves were eliminated in the Jan 2019 temple redo.

Maybe our leaders are making efforts to have "common consent." Maybe some of the things that bother women have been prayed about, and like with Africans, the curse is beginning to be lifted because of revelation.

What "curse" are you referring to? I'm curious.

22 Unto the woman, I, the Lord God, said: I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

I'm still waiting for the sign of the lifting of the curse: no more epidurals during childbirth.

[JohnnyL]

This 70 is obviously an idiot.

Aren’t most of them...??
(Referring to the non visible “area seventies”.

We all are in some ways, aren't we? Even you?

Most of the ones I've known are really good men.

[JohnnyL]

PS, the majority of divorces are filed by women. This indicates that they are the ones quitting in greater numbers than men are. Add to that, both genders are choosing to cohabitate instead of marry and Satan is truly winning this war on families because he has destroyed it before they can even form, and if they do, divorce is a nice escape whenever any problems arise.

The latest one I know about--she wants a divorce because he has health problems and she doesn't really believe. He's been coming to church by himself for a long time.

[JohnnyL]

I know it's not a popular thing and will be discounted, but the order being Patriarchal also ties into the marriage order of heaven. Which wife reigns as the co ruler with the husband? If the husband leads, all wives are on equal footing, and encompass the man. Also, if praying to Heavenly Mother, which one would we be praying to? I know, I know, it's easier to just discount patriarchal marriage all together.

You only assume that the order of marriage is one man to many women, because of past practice and policy, but this is part of women's curse, to fulfill the assignment of raising up seed on this Earth. I gave multiple quotes stating that there was much more to plural marriage than was revealed, and vs. 41 in 132 allows a woman to be sealed to more than one. I know it's not a popular notion, but I know that women can have more than one husband in the eternities. Brigham spoke twice of seeing the fàmily order which the people were not organized in yet, while plural wives was in full swing. There are multiple accounts on this forum of women being allowed to be sealed to more than one man, and we currently seal dead women to all their husbands.

Sarah, the issue of women being married to which husband has been an age old conundrum. Even the Jews in Christ's day came to Him with this query, of which brother a woman would be with if they had all been married to her, and died before she did. So yes, there is still a lot of unknown about how choice will work. However, one thing is absolutely certain. The Lords house is a house of order. One woman married to multiple men would lead to chaos in any home, as the identity of the child's father would be unknown. Furthermore, your example of women being sealed to more than one man is only a formality to allow for the right couple to be sealed together here on Earth. Despite the Earthly ordinance being performed here on Earth, they are not bound on the other side to accept this ordinance. In this case, not all of these dealings will be valid as she can only be sealed to one. There are numerous instances here where a woman gets married to a man and gets sealed to him, and then he dies at a tender young age. She then remarries and lives her whole life with this new husband, although they were never sealed on account of her being sealed to another already. She then is in a dilemma over feeling guilty for wanting to be sealed to the man who she spent her Earthly life with, versus the husband she married in her youth. As the living person in this scenario, she is free to annul her previous sealing and be sealed to the second husband. It may not seem fair to the first husband, but this is one of those things that will be figured out on the other side. My own opinion is that there will be plenty of worthy sisters whose earthly father husbands were not worthy for exaltation and now they are in need of a husband who can go into exaltation with them, or perhaps one of the ubiquitous sisters who never married in this life, but were worthy for exaltation.
I am not sure where you get the notion that women will have more than one husband, but I dont think Heavenly Father is sharing His wife with some other guy. This notion seems as farfetched as women being ordained to the priesthood or men being able to give birth in the hereafter. These are some curious philosophies that you have accumulated Sarah.

What seems more far fetched to me is that one of these women who had more than one husband on this Earth would be forever banned from associating with a a man she loved and was married to on this Earth. It sounds chaotic but so does having hundreds of wives and billions of children. In the next life a woman is not going to walk around pregnant for 9 months. We will be able to know all things so there will be no question of who the father is. You are assuming a lot of things that are not official doctrine.

Which prophet taught this?

[Rick Grimes]

You only assume that the order of marriage is one man to many women, because of past practice and policy, but this is part of women's curse, to fulfill the assignment of raising up seed on this Earth. I gave multiple quotes stating that there was much more to plural marriage than was revealed, and vs. 41 in 132 allows a woman to be sealed to more than one. I know it's not a popular notion, but I know that women can have more than one husband in the eternities. Brigham spoke twice of seeing the fàmily order which the people were not organized in yet, while plural wives was in full swing. There are multiple accounts on this forum of women being allowed to be sealed to more than one man, and we currently seal dead women to all their husbands.

Sarah, the issue of women being married to which husband has been an age old conundrum. Even the Jews in Christ's day came to Him with this query, of which brother a woman would be with if they had all been married to her, and died before she did. So yes, there is still a lot of unknown about how choice will work. However, one thing is absolutely certain. The Lords house is a house of order. One woman married to multiple men would lead to chaos in any home, as the identity of the child's father would be unknown. Furthermore, your example of women being sealed to more than one man is only a formality to allow for the right couple to be sealed together here on Earth. Despite the Earthly ordinance being performed here on Earth, they are not bound on the other side to accept this ordinance. In this case, not all of these dealings will be valid as she can only be sealed to one. There are numerous instances here where a woman gets married to a man and gets sealed to him, and then he dies at a tender young age. She then remarries and lives her whole life with this new husband, although they were never sealed on account of her being sealed to another already. She then is in a dilemma over feeling guilty for wanting to be sealed to the man who she spent her Earthly life with, versus the husband she married in her youth. As the living person in this scenario, she is free to annul her previous sealing and be sealed to the second husband. It may not seem fair to the first husband, but this is one of those things that will be figured out on the other side. My own opinion is that there will be plenty of worthy sisters whose earthly father husbands were not worthy for exaltation and now they are in need of a husband who can go into exaltation with them, or perhaps one of the ubiquitous sisters who never married in this life, but were worthy for exaltation.
I am not sure where you get the notion that women will have more than one husband, but I dont think Heavenly Father is sharing His wife with some other guy. This notion seems as farfetched as women being ordained to the priesthood or men being able to give birth in the hereafter. These are some curious philosophies that you have accumulated Sarah.

What seems more far fetched to me is that one of these women who had more than one husband on this Earth would be forever banned from associating with a a man she loved and was married to on this Earth. It sounds chaotic but so does having hundreds of wives and billions of children. In the next life a woman is not going to walk around pregnant for 9 months. We will be able to know all things so there will be no question of who the father is. You are assuming a lot of things that are not official doctrine.

Which prophet taught this?

None, unless you count any of the ubiquitous feminists out there demanding priesthood, multiple husbands, female apostles, and further revisions to the endowment showing a female also making the world.

[Sarah]

President Nelson said this:
“We and all mankind are forever blessed because of Eve’s great courage and wisdom. By partaking of the fruit first, she did what needed to be done. Adam was wise enough to do likewise.”

Hmm. So is he saying that even though Eve didn’t have knowledge yet (before eating the fruit she had no knowledge, remember?), she somehow had great wisdom?? That does not make sense to me. Being beguiled (her phrasing) doesn’t sound like a wise choice being made to me. Could it be both a wise choice and a beguiled one at the same time? That seems like a stretch.

It might be a stretch but I think it's possible. Her saying she was beguiled is simply stating the facts, that she was tempted and charmed by Satan and his offer. She didn't realize it was Satan, so she was deceived, but she might have had the wisdom to know that she had a choice to make between life or death, and that choosing death was the only way to have seed, and that this descent had to be her and Adam's choice. God could not force them to become mortal. Maybe she realized that was the sacrifice she needed to make to progress. Even children in their innocence who do not have knowledge of good and evil, can still choose what they think will make them happy or others happy.

Maybe she should have consulted with Adam first?

Sounds like you agree with Loveistruth then? They should have never partaken and simply remained in their state of innocence.

[Sarah]

You only assume that the order of marriage is one man to many women, because of past practice and policy, but this is part of women's curse, to fulfill the assignment of raising up seed on this Earth. I gave multiple quotes stating that there was much more to plural marriage than was revealed, and vs. 41 in 132 allows a woman to be sealed to more than one. I know it's not a popular notion, but I know that women can have more than one husband in the eternities. Brigham spoke twice of seeing the fàmily order which the people were not organized in yet, while plural wives was in full swing. There are multiple accounts on this forum of women being allowed to be sealed to more than one man, and we currently seal dead women to all their husbands.

Sarah, the issue of women being married to which husband has been an age old conundrum. Even the Jews in Christ's day came to Him with this query, of which brother a woman would be with if they had all been married to her, and died before she did. So yes, there is still a lot of unknown about how choice will work. However, one thing is absolutely certain. The Lords house is a house of order. One woman married to multiple men would lead to chaos in any home, as the identity of the child's father would be unknown. Furthermore, your example of women being sealed to more than one man is only a formality to allow for the right couple to be sealed together here on Earth. Despite the Earthly ordinance being performed here on Earth, they are not bound on the other side to accept this ordinance. In this case, not all of these dealings will be valid as she can only be sealed to one. There are numerous instances here where a woman gets married to a man and gets sealed to him, and then he dies at a tender young age. She then remarries and lives her whole life with this new husband, although they were never sealed on account of her being sealed to another already. She then is in a dilemma over feeling guilty for wanting to be sealed to the man who she spent her Earthly life with, versus the husband she married in her youth. As the living person in this scenario, she is free to annul her previous sealing and be sealed to the second husband. It may not seem fair to the first husband, but this is one of those things that will be figured out on the other side. My own opinion is that there will be plenty of worthy sisters whose earthly father husbands were not worthy for exaltation and now they are in need of a husband who can go into exaltation with them, or perhaps one of the ubiquitous sisters who never married in this life, but were worthy for exaltation.
I am not sure where you get the notion that women will have more than one husband, but I dont think Heavenly Father is sharing His wife with some other guy. This notion seems as farfetched as women being ordained to the priesthood or men being able to give birth in the hereafter. These are some curious philosophies that you have accumulated Sarah.

What seems more far fetched to me is that one of these women who had more than one husband on this Earth would be forever banned from associating with a a man she loved and was married to on this Earth. It sounds chaotic but so does having hundreds of wives and billions of children. In the next life a woman is not going to walk around pregnant for 9 months. We will be able to know all things so there will be no question of who the father is. You are assuming a lot of things that are not official doctrine.

Which prophet taught this?

None that I know of, I'm just assuming based on the fact that Eve's punishment was in regards to conception, and bringing forth children. She would experience sorrow. Some day these mortal realities will be no more. 9 and 40 ( as in 40 weeks) are also numbers that represent judgement and a testing period. We have no idea how spirit babies will be produced, or terrestrial babies if that is a thing.

[Sarah]

Sarah, the issue of women being married to which husband has been an age old conundrum. Even the Jews in Christ's day came to Him with this query, of which brother a woman would be with if they had all been married to her, and died before she did. So yes, there is still a lot of unknown about how choice will work. However, one thing is absolutely certain. The Lords house is a house of order. One woman married to multiple men would lead to chaos in any home, as the identity of the child's father would be unknown. Furthermore, your example of women being sealed to more than one man is only a formality to allow for the right couple to be sealed together here on Earth. Despite the Earthly ordinance being performed here on Earth, they are not bound on the other side to accept this ordinance. In this case, not all of these dealings will be valid as she can only be sealed to one. There are numerous instances here where a woman gets married to a man and gets sealed to him, and then he dies at a tender young age. She then remarries and lives her whole life with this new husband, although they were never sealed on account of her being sealed to another already. She then is in a dilemma over feeling guilty for wanting to be sealed to the man who she spent her Earthly life with, versus the husband she married in her youth. As the living person in this scenario, she is free to annul her previous sealing and be sealed to the second husband. It may not seem fair to the first husband, but this is one of those things that will be figured out on the other side. My own opinion is that there will be plenty of worthy sisters whose earthly father husbands were not worthy for exaltation and now they are in need of a husband who can go into exaltation with them, or perhaps one of the ubiquitous sisters who never married in this life, but were worthy for exaltation.
I am not sure where you get the notion that women will have more than one husband, but I dont think Heavenly Father is sharing His wife with some other guy. This notion seems as farfetched as women being ordained to the priesthood or men being able to give birth in the hereafter. These are some curious philosophies that you have accumulated Sarah.

What seems more far fetched to me is that one of these women who had more than one husband on this Earth would be forever banned from associating with a a man she loved and was married to on this Earth. It sounds chaotic but so does having hundreds of wives and billions of children. In the next life a woman is not going to walk around pregnant for 9 months. We will be able to know all things so there will be no question of who the father is. You are assuming a lot of things that are not official doctrine.

Which prophet taught this?

None, unless you count any of the ubiquitous feminists out there demanding priesthood, multiple husbands, female apostles, and further revisions to the endowment showing a female also making the world.

The majority of LDS women are not demanding these things, just like the African members back in the day who were simply waiting for their curse to be lifted.

[Rick Grimes]

I have a suspicion that spirit babies will be formed the same way as they are here on Earth.

[Sarah]

I have a suspicion that spirit babies will be formed the same way as they are here on Earth.

Do you think women will be pregnant for nine months and experience pain as that spirit baby comes out? We have to factor in too that we're talking about bodies of flesh and bone creating spirit babies.