No more war

[sandman45]

This speech is amazing from this veteran. Please watch. He makes some great points !

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout ... ame=iossmf


Time to end the endless wars. Time to take care of each other and kick out the corrupt.

[Rick Grimes]

All that's needed for evil to win, is for good men and women to do nothing.

I dont like war. I wish people could just get along and use their resources to better their lives and those of their children. That being said, evil exists and it rears its head when there is an opportunity for genocide, rape, and theft of lands and resources. If you are ok with the world being ruled by unjust tyrants, then by all means continue to beat the anti war drum. However, even Capt. Moroni and Helamon and his stripling warriors understood that evil must be met with force to protect the lives of the innocent. The Savior Himself commanded us to "sell our cloak" and purchase a sword if we didnt have one in our possession. Nobody likes to have to resort to violence, but evil doers in this world make it so that we must always be vigilant.

On a side note, but related, we also spend a tremendous amount of money on police and prisons. Should we also trust that the bad guys will play nice if we disband the police force and close down the prisons?

I agree with the sentiment of no more wars, but at this point in time, it's just not possible to fully avert wars until the Messiah returns.

[PickleRick]

I believe we should forsake war and proclaim peace.
If I were president I would go on an apology tour, even though for most of my life I would have considered a president taking such an action as a traitor. But once one digs beneath the sound bites and propaganda, there are countries to whom we, as a nation, owe an apology. Iran is one of those nations. (Bracing myself to be called various names.)
I would then say to all nations, we seek battle with no one, we seek fair trade with anyone interested in the same.
I would then say, anyone that harms U.S citizens will pay for it. Not nations, but individuals. If those individuals are terrorists, they will be tracked down and destroyed. If those terrorists turn out to be supported by nations, the leaders responsible for it will be held accountable.
Not the citizens of those nations, most of whom simply want what we want - to live their lives, raise their kids, pursue happiness. But those that start something, I would give notice: zero tolerance.
Those within our own nation who seek to generate conflict with other nations: zero tolerance.
Those who have blood on their hands, that have lied us into war after endless war - you will be held accountable.

I suspect I might survive 5-10 minutes after being sworn in.

[Rick Grimes]

Iran has plenty of blood on their hands and they dont deserve an apology. If anything, we should apologize for not having taken out the ayatollahs for them a long time ago.

Evil guys dont need an apology. They do evil because they have chosen their master already.

Peace through strength.

[Voyager]

Best case scenario, Iran would just turn into another Iraq/Afghanistan. No question our military can win the battles, but wars must be won ideologically and politically, not just militarily. We kill lots of bad guys then have no idea how to put the pieces back together and restabilize things, all at the enormous expense of blood and treasure, not to mention losing face with a world that doesn't want us in places we don't even want to be in ourselves.

I see no benefits of a war in Iran unless we can find a long term solution to fix the enormous mess that would follow the initial conflict, which I personally believe would be much harder to do in Iran than it's been in Iraq and Afghanistan due to its size, population, government, etc. We woefully misunderstand the people we try to help.

Also, why is this always our problem? I have nothing but respect for our brave allied troops that have served, but non-U.S. involvement in these problems is proportionately minimal. Let the rest of the world step up for a change. And if it's not worth their time and blood, why is it worth ours?

[djinwa]

"That being said, evil exists and it rears its head when there is an opportunity for genocide, rape, and theft of lands and resources. If you are ok with the world being ruled by unjust tyrants, then by all means continue to beat the anti war drum."

So we need our military in every home in the country, as evil does exist, kids are molested and beaten, etc.

If we are to eradicate evil in other countries, should those countries come here to eradicate our evil? How do we eradicate their evil if they don't care? How long do we stay in their country to force them to be good?

But supposing you're right, we should go all over the world, eradicating evil. The best way to do that is for people like you to buy guns, and volunteer to go to Iraq and Africa and wherever, and start taking out the bad guys.

Because when our government polices the world, it ends up being the evil you despise. And our government "robs us of our resources" to pay the military industrial complex to supposedly save the world.

Tell me, how many innocents have been killed by our military? You don't know, because that isn't reported on the nightly news. Doesn't fit our propaganda.

Anyway, grab a gun and go eliminate evil. Or maybe you don't really care.

[Rick Grimes]

"That being said, evil exists and it rears its head when there is an opportunity for genocide, rape, and theft of lands and resources. If you are ok with the world being ruled by unjust tyrants, then by all means continue to beat the anti war drum."

So we need our military in every home in the country, as evil does exist, kids are molested and beaten, etc.

If we are to eradicate evil in other countries, should those countries come here to eradicate our evil? How do we eradicate their evil if they don't care? How long do we stay in their country to force them to be good?

But supposing you're right, we should go all over the world, eradicating evil. The best way to do that is for people like you to buy guns, and volunteer to go to Iraq and Africa and wherever, and start taking out the bad guys.

Because when our government polices the world, it ends up being the evil you despise. And our government "robs us of our resources" to pay the military industrial complex to supposedly save the world.

Tell me, how many innocents have been killed by our military? You don't know, because that isn't reported on the nightly news. Doesn't fit our propaganda.

Anyway, grab a gun and go eliminate evil. Or maybe you don't really care.

Your logic is curious.

Evil does exist and we need to meet it with force, or innocents will suffer.

As to your first hyperbolic statement about "Miltary in every home", because kids are being molested, beaten,etc....
We already have law enforcement covering every municipality and county in our country. So, yes, if there are any domestic issues, we already have a system in place to deal with it. Are you against having law enforcement in our communities as well?

Please dont make a straw man out of having the military strength to respond to a crisis. Nobody is advocating becoming the "world police". We dont have the resources to do that, just like we dont have the resources to solve world hunger or the homeless situation even in our own country. (This would take way more resources than simply throwing money at it, btw) However, if history has taught us anything, it's that there are certain existential threats to mankind that must be dealt with. Hitler was accommodated and acquiesced to by people of similar disposition as those that refuse to accept that despite one's own abhorrence for war, war can be declared by the aggressor without their consent. "War is upon you, whether you would like it or not.", is a quote that is often true.
As to Iran, yes, nobody wants to repeat Iraq and spend the next 20 years there like we have in Iraq. That being said, I'm sure most people dont want a nuke getting shot to our mainland or any of our bases/embassies. Iran has been tolerated and they are a constant threat to world security. They just shot down an airliner that killed all people aboard the plane. Before that, they sent rockets to our military base. Before that, our embassy was attacked in Iran. This is just in the last few weeks, btw.

Our President has shown great restraint in dealing with this country, but we must have a better alternative to dealing with these thugs than just dropping crates of cash on their doorstep.

Depending on what the Intel is telling us about which imminent threats are facing our country, we should respond with the appropriate force to show strength and dissuade dictators from attacking us.

[Aprhys]

Iran has plenty of blood on their hands and they dont deserve an apology. If anything, we should apologize for not having taken out the ayatollahs for them a long time ago.

Evil guys dont need an apology. They do evil because they have chosen their master already.

Peace through strength.

Please tell us how many years you have spent engaging in war? Too many Americans love watching war from their homes. I recall what someone wrote on a Marine outpost in Fallujah, Iraq circa 2004. It read "America is not at war. America is at the mall. The Marines are at war." I have more respect for an outright draft dodging peacenik than a chickenhawk.

[Rick Grimes]

Iran has plenty of blood on their hands and they dont deserve an apology. If anything, we should apologize for not having taken out the ayatollahs for them a long time ago.

Evil guys dont need an apology. They do evil because they have chosen their master already.

Peace through strength.

Please tell us how many years you have spent engaging in war? Too many Americans love watching war from their homes. I recall what someone wrote on a Marine outpost in Fallujah, Iraq circa 2004. It read "America is not at war. America is at the mall. The Marines are at war." I have more respect for an outright draft dodging peacenik than a chickenhawk.

Ah yes, the old "you never served in the military" line.

While I never served in the armed forces, I wanted to. I was in the MTC when 9/11 happened and many of us wanted to leave and sign up for the military. The way we saw it, this was our Pearl Harbor. It took Russel M Nelson himself to persuade the large number of us who wanted to leave and enlist to not do so and to finish the mission we began. So we listened to the Apostle and served our mission. If that makes you see me as less a man, then that's something I guess I will have to live with. That being said, our founding fathers thought it best to leave a civilian (with or without military experience) to be commander in chief of our military forces. They knew that the battles would be fought by the soldiers, but the wars would be decided upon by the citizens that the people elect. So yes, as a citizen I excerize that right knowing the gravity of what it portends.

[John Tavner]

Iran has plenty of blood on their hands and they dont deserve an apology. If anything, we should apologize for not having taken out the ayatollahs for them a long time ago.

Evil guys dont need an apology. They do evil because they have chosen their master already.

Peace through strength.

Please tell us how many years you have spent engaging in war? Too many Americans love watching war from their homes. I recall what someone wrote on a Marine outpost in Fallujah, Iraq circa 2004. It read "America is not at war. America is at the mall. The Marines are at war." I have more respect for an outright draft dodging peacenik than a chickenhawk.

Ah yes, the old "you never served in the military" line.

While I never served in the armed forces, I wanted to. I was in the MTC when 9/11 happened and many of us wanted to leave and sign up for the military. The way we saw it, this was our Pearl Harbor. It took Russel M Nelson himself to persuade the large number of us who wanted to leave and enlist to not do so and to finish the mission we began. So we listened to the Apostle and served our mission. If that makes you see me as less a man, then that's something I guess I will have to live with. That being said, our founding fathers thought it best to leave a civilian (with or without military experience) to be commander in chief of our military forces. They knew that the battles would be fought by the soldiers, but the wars would be decided upon by the citizens that the people elect. So yes, as a citizen I excerize that right knowing the gravity of what it portends.

It doesn't make you less of a man, but until you see and have been over there to see what we are fighting (or aren't fighting) it can make a difference. A quote I heard once is "when the rich wage war, it is the poor who die." In reality we have justified many of these wars - and wars don't need to be justified - it just just be self-defense. I tell people all the time not to serve unless they really want to. It isn't because I disrespect the military it is because it can change you - and innocence lost is really difficult to reclaim unless you are able to fully understand and access the atonement. Until you have sat for hours on a post watching sand blow - you won't quite understand what it is like. Until you are told by a general "we don't know why we are over there" and you have many members of your company and battalion get blown up by and IED, you won't fully udnerstand, you might empathize and that's great. Finally until you realize that you go on patrol to protect your unit, but every patrol you go on endangers your unit and by doing so only causes more danger in the future - you won't realize how pointless many of these so-called "wars" are. They aren't wars they are military engagemenets where some individuals make literally millions of dollars off of the poor sap that goes to war. Then For those that survive in your unit every year for the first 8 years you hear or know of at least one or two people in your company that commit suicide... War is hell. We shouldn't do it unless it is to defend our life, our liberty, our property, our God and our religion. We shouldn't defend those who don't want the defense either. It is impossible to change a tribal society into a democratic society unless they decide they want change. Tribalism is different than republican based democracy.

[Aprhys]

Iran has plenty of blood on their hands and they dont deserve an apology. If anything, we should apologize for not having taken out the ayatollahs for them a long time ago.

Evil guys dont need an apology. They do evil because they have chosen their master already.

Peace through strength.

Please tell us how many years you have spent engaging in war? Too many Americans love watching war from their homes. I recall what someone wrote on a Marine outpost in Fallujah, Iraq circa 2004. It read "America is not at war. America is at the mall. The Marines are at war." I have more respect for an outright draft dodging peacenik than a chickenhawk.

Ah yes, the old "you never served in the military" line.

While I never served in the armed forces, I wanted to. I was in the MTC when 9/11 happened and many of us wanted to leave and sign up for the military. The way we saw it, this was our Pearl Harbor. It took Russel M Nelson himself to persuade the large number of us who wanted to leave and enlist to not do so and to finish the mission we began. So we listened to the Apostle and served our mission. If that makes you see me as less a man, then that's something I guess I will have to live with. That being said, our founding fathers thought it best to leave a civilian (with or without military experience) to be commander in chief of our military forces. They knew that the battles would be fought by the soldiers, but the wars would be decided upon by the citizens that the people elect. So yes, as a citizen I excerize that right knowing the gravity of what it portends.

Please tell me how many countries Iran has attacked or invaded in the last 50 years. Please tell me how many countries Libya has invaded/attacked in the last 50 years. Please tell me how manu nationa Iraq invaded/attacked in the last 50 years. Now tell me how many nations America has attacked/invaded in the last 50 years. Do this calculation and then tell me which nation has more innocent blood on its hands. I have spent my entire adult life in the service enlisted/commissioned and now as a civilian and we had no right what-so-ever to invade Iraq. We have no right to invade Iran. I am tired of Americans dying for Israel.

[Rick Grimes]

Iran has plenty of blood on their hands and they dont deserve an apology. If anything, we should apologize for not having taken out the ayatollahs for them a long time ago.

Evil guys dont need an apology. They do evil because they have chosen their master already.

Peace through strength.

Please tell us how many years you have spent engaging in war? Too many Americans love watching war from their homes. I recall what someone wrote on a Marine outpost in Fallujah, Iraq circa 2004. It read "America is not at war. America is at the mall. The Marines are at war." I have more respect for an outright draft dodging peacenik than a chickenhawk.

Ah yes, the old "you never served in the military" line.

While I never served in the armed forces, I wanted to. I was in the MTC when 9/11 happened and many of us wanted to leave and sign up for the military. The way we saw it, this was our Pearl Harbor. It took Russel M Nelson himself to persuade the large number of us who wanted to leave and enlist to not do so and to finish the mission we began. So we listened to the Apostle and served our mission. If that makes you see me as less a man, then that's something I guess I will have to live with. That being said, our founding fathers thought it best to leave a civilian (with or without military experience) to be commander in chief of our military forces. They knew that the battles would be fought by the soldiers, but the wars would be decided upon by the citizens that the people elect. So yes, as a citizen I excerize that right knowing the gravity of what it portends.

It doesn't make you less of a man, but until you see and have been over there to see what we are fighting (or aren't fighting) it can make a difference. A quote I heard once is "when the rich wage war, it is the poor who die." In reality we have justified many of these wars - and wars don't need to be justified - it just just be self-defense. I tell people all the time not to serve unless they really want to. It isn't because I disrespect the military it is because it can change you - and innocence lost is really difficult to reclaim unless you are able to fully understand and access the atonement. Until you have sat for hours on a post watching sand blow - you won't quite understand what it is like. Until you are told by a general "we don't know why we are over there" and you have many members of your company and battalion get blown up by and IED, you won't fully udnerstand, you might empathize and that's great. Finally until you realize that you go on patrol to protect your unit, but every patrol you go on endangers your unit and by doing so only causes more danger in the future - you won't realize how pointless many of these so-called "wars" are. They aren't wars they are military engagemenets where some individuals make literally millions of dollars off of the poor sap that goes to war. Then For those that survive in your unit every year for the first 8 years you hear or know of at least one or two people in your company that commit suicide... War is hell. We shouldn't do it unless it is to defend our life, our liberty, our property, our God and our religion. We shouldn't defend those who don't want the defense either. It is impossible to change a tribal society into a democratic society unless they decide they want change. Tribalism is different than republican based democracy.

I agree with you. I've never said otherwise. We cant be the world's police. However, we also shouldnt throw our skirts up and raise the white flag when we get attacked by somebody intent on our deaths. Israel has it worse than us, as the muslims around them wont be content until they are driven into the sea. That doesnt sound very peaceful towards its neighbor. We shouldn't be afraid to defend our loved ones though. Some peaceniks seem like they would prefer to watch their wives and daughters ravished in front of them than lift arms to defend them, though.

[Rick Grimes]

Iran has plenty of blood on their hands and they dont deserve an apology. If anything, we should apologize for not having taken out the ayatollahs for them a long time ago.

Evil guys dont need an apology. They do evil because they have chosen their master already.

Peace through strength.

Please tell us how many years you have spent engaging in war? Too many Americans love watching war from their homes. I recall what someone wrote on a Marine outpost in Fallujah, Iraq circa 2004. It read "America is not at war. America is at the mall. The Marines are at war." I have more respect for an outright draft dodging peacenik than a chickenhawk.

Ah yes, the old "you never served in the military" line.

While I never served in the armed forces, I wanted to. I was in the MTC when 9/11 happened and many of us wanted to leave and sign up for the military. The way we saw it, this was our Pearl Harbor. It took Russel M Nelson himself to persuade the large number of us who wanted to leave and enlist to not do so and to finish the mission we began. So we listened to the Apostle and served our mission. If that makes you see me as less a man, then that's something I guess I will have to live with. That being said, our founding fathers thought it best to leave a civilian (with or without military experience) to be commander in chief of our military forces. They knew that the battles would be fought by the soldiers, but the wars would be decided upon by the citizens that the people elect. So yes, as a citizen I excerize that right knowing the gravity of what it portends.

Please tell me how many countries Iran has attacked or invaded in the last 50 years. Please tell me how many countries Libya has invaded/attacked in the last 50 years. Please tell me how manu nationa Iraq invaded/attacked in the last 50 years. Now tell me how many nations America has attacked/invaded in the last 50 years. Do this calculation and then tell me which nation has more innocent blood on its hands. I have spent my entire adult life in the service enlisted/commissioned and now as a civilian and we had no right what-so-ever to invade Iraq. We have no right to invade Iran. I am tired of Americans dying for Israel.

Really? Defending these awesome countries with great human rights records?

Your anti semitism is showing.^

[mudflap]

Some peaceniks seem like they would prefer to watch their wives and daughters ravished in front of them than lift arms to defend them, though.

A friend from high school visited me a few years ago, and said this is exactly how he would "deal" with roving bands of thugs if it ever came to that. His wife was sitting on the couch, nodding her head in agreement, while his daughter and son played outside with our daughter.

sorry, not for me.

[Rick Grimes]

Some peaceniks seem like they would prefer to watch their wives and daughters ravished in front of them than lift arms to defend them, though.

A friend from high school visited me a few years ago, and said this is exactly how he would "deal" with roving bands of thugs if it ever came to that. His wife was sitting on the couch, nodding her head in agreement, while his daughter and son played outside with our daughter.

sorry, not for me.

Dukkakis said about the same thing. Cowardice is catching on I guess?

[Aprhys]

Please tell us how many years you have spent engaging in war? Too many Americans love watching war from their homes. I recall what someone wrote on a Marine outpost in Fallujah, Iraq circa 2004. It read "America is not at war. America is at the mall. The Marines are at war." I have more respect for an outright draft dodging peacenik than a chickenhawk.

Ah yes, the old "you never served in the military" line.

While I never served in the armed forces, I wanted to. I was in the MTC when 9/11 happened and many of us wanted to leave and sign up for the military. The way we saw it, this was our Pearl Harbor. It took Russel M Nelson himself to persuade the large number of us who wanted to leave and enlist to not do so and to finish the mission we began. So we listened to the Apostle and served our mission. If that makes you see me as less a man, then that's something I guess I will have to live with. That being said, our founding fathers thought it best to leave a civilian (with or without military experience) to be commander in chief of our military forces. They knew that the battles would be fought by the soldiers, but the wars would be decided upon by the citizens that the people elect. So yes, as a citizen I excerize that right knowing the gravity of what it portends.

Please tell me how many countries Iran has attacked or invaded in the last 50 years. Please tell me how many countries Libya has invaded/attacked in the last 50 years. Please tell me how manu nationa Iraq invaded/attacked in the last 50 years. Now tell me how many nations America has attacked/invaded in the last 50 years. Do this calculation and then tell me which nation has more innocent blood on its hands. I have spent my entire adult life in the service enlisted/commissioned and now as a civilian and we had no right what-so-ever to invade Iraq. We have no right to invade Iran. I am tired of Americans dying for Israel.

Really? Defending these awesome countries with great human rights records?

Your anti semitism is showing.^

Please tell me what reason America was in Iraq then if not as a puppet for Israel?

[mudflap]

Some peaceniks seem like they would prefer to watch their wives and daughters ravished in front of them than lift arms to defend them, though.

A friend from high school visited me a few years ago, and said this is exactly how he would "deal" with roving bands of thugs if it ever came to that. His wife was sitting on the couch, nodding her head in agreement, while his daughter and son played outside with our daughter.

sorry, not for me.

Dukkakis said about the same thing. Cowardice is catching on I guess?

yes. It's craziness. and cowardice. Even "2 blasts Joe" Biden advocated for self-defense at one time. sort of. To the extent Western civilization abandons it's roots of the rule of law, right and wrong, defending your own, natural law - that will be the extent to which it fails. Of course, we all (should) know that the times of the gentiles are almost fulfilled. "Relying on the mercies of those whose arms are lifted to slay them" is not my idea of protecting my woman. And not hers either.

Someday, we won't need guns. Today ain't that day. Tomorrow ain't looking so hot either...

[AZRob]

Your anti semitism is showing.^

Rick, you really need to use a different term than "anti semitism." Why? Firstly, you're avoiding debate by calling names. Second, it's because Libyans are semites. Iraqis are semites. I agree whole-heartedly with dijnwa. I don't care how old you are or what your physical health status is. If you believe in war, you need to get out on the front lines until you Uriah yourself because you're the cause of the wars we have. It's precisely your attitude that gives cover for those who profit from the sale of armaments and the spoils of war. You say it's not possible to fully avert wars, then you provide the rationale that allows others to continue wars.

You also don't understand Iran. If you're mentioning ayatollahs when it comes to owing Iran an apology, you need to go back a few more decades and learn some history. If by chance you know the history and are simply avoiding the mention of it, I fully trust in your capability to tell me that it's old news that no longer matters. Feel free to call me an anti-semite for defending Persians or semites who have as much right not to be invaded as we do.

So in summary, I kindly request that you put your body where your mouth is, grab your gun and go kill and die for America where you please as long as it's not here in the US. It's the least you can do after your bellicose rhetoric. As for me, I'll worry when war comes here on our shores and Congress declares war properly as per the US constitution. Thanks in advance.

[Rick Grimes]

Your anti semitism is showing.^

Rick, you really need to use a different term than "anti semitism." Why? Firstly, you're avoiding debate by calling names. Second, it's because Libyans are semites. Iraqis are semites. I agree whole-heartedly with dijnwa. I don't care how old you are or what your physical health status is. If you believe in war, you need to get out on the front lines until you Uriah yourself because you're the cause of the wars we have. It's precisely your attitude that gives cover for those who profit from the sale of armaments and the spoils of war. You say it's not possible to fully avert wars, then you provide the rationale that allows others to continue wars.

You also don't understand Iran. If you're mentioning ayatollahs when it comes to owing Iran an apology, you need to go back a few more decades and learn some history. If by chance you know the history and are simply avoiding the mention of it, I fully trust in your capability to tell me that it's old news that no longer matters. Feel free to call me an anti-semite for defending Persians or semites who have as much right not to be invaded as we do.

So in summary, I kindly request that you put your body where your mouth is, grab your gun and go kill and die for America where you please as long as it's not here in the US. It's the least you can do after your bellicose rhetoric. As for me, I'll worry when war comes here on our shores and Congress declares war properly as per the US constitution. Thanks in advance.

AZrob,

Who said anything about declaring war? You peaceniks think even defending ourselves is tantamount to declaring war. You and other like you with your heads in the sand is why atrocities around the world happen without repercussions. You speak of history yet you dont seem to appreciate how history has gone in the past when people avert their eyes and acquiesce to despots intent on murder and mayhem. So please spare me the preaching "Neville".

[AZRob]

Rick, I will not spare you my preaching. Not only is your grasp of history lacking, you are so far removed from the tenets of the Book of Mormon that you can't tell a despot from a righteous democratic assembly.

If you are willing to remove the scales from your eyes, here are some homework questions for you:

1. What form of government did Iran have pre-1953 and Operation Ajax?
2. Why did that form of government fail?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[Rick Grimes]

Rick, I will not spare you my preaching. Not only is your grasp of history lacking, you are so far removed from the tenets of the Book of Mormon that you can't tell a despot from a righteous democratic assembly.

If you are willing to remove the scales from your eyes, here are some homework questions for you:

1. What form of government did Iran have pre-1953 and Operation Ajax?
2. Why did that form of government fail?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

You lost me at comparing Iran to "righteous democratic assembly". I have friends, dear ones, who are from Iran and they tell of horrors that have nothing to do with righteousness. Add to that this government just shot down a passenger jet, and you here are defending this country? There are indeed good Iranians, but they are either in a silent minority or they are leaving the country. Please get a clue. Iran is not a "righteous democratic assembly". And for the record, I never once said we should invade them or even start a war with them. You got some big scales on your own eyes as you got triggered that somebody would even opine that some wars are unavoidable. How dare I have this opinion??!

[AZRob]

You got some big scales on your own eyes as you got triggered that somebody would even opine that some wars are unavoidable. How dare I have this opinion??!

Firstly, there are certainly unavoidable wars; however, the US hasn't been in one in over 200 years. Secondly, there was a period in time where Iran was trending toward a secular republic who cared about the interests of its own citizens. I gave you some homework which could have provided you some light and knowledge, and which you apparently failed to complete. As a result, your buffoonery is on full display. By way of hint, I even gave you a year in history to target while learning.

I didn't see you apologizing or asking to be bombed when the US "accidentally" shot down an Iranian passenger jet over Iranian territory. Perhaps I missed it? https://www.britannica.com/event/Iran-Air-flight-655

Peace through strength, indeed.

You have your head in the sand, and you insist on pointing out my scales??? How can you even see these scales?

[Rick Grimes]

You got some big scales on your own eyes as you got triggered that somebody would even opine that some wars are unavoidable. How dare I have this opinion??!

Firstly, there are certainly unavoidable wars; however, the US hasn't been in one in over 200 years. Secondly, there was a period in time where Iran was trending toward a secular republic who cared about the interests of its own citizens. I gave you some homework which could have provided you some light and knowledge, and which you apparently failed to complete. As a result, your buffoonery is on full display. By way of hint, I even gave you a year in history to target while learning.

I didn't see you apologizing or asking to be bombed when the US "accidentally" shot down an Iranian passenger jet over Iranian territory. Perhaps I missed it? https://www.britannica.com/event/Iran-Air-flight-655

Peace through strength, indeed.

You have your head in the sand, and you insist on pointing out my scales??? How can you even see these scales?

So WW2 was unavoidable? I guess if you dont mind speaking German. Wow.
And I'm a buffoon? You also agreed with my premise that there are wars that are unavoidable. Thank you for agreeing with me. Good day sir.

[AZRob]

Rick, I'm an American, born and raised. Germany was no threat to the US. In fact, neither the US nor Britain was required to be difficult after WWI. We could have been friends and shared of the world's riches. The treaty of Versailles imposed difficult obligations on Germany and reduced German territorial claims. Many mistakes were made on all sides. From an American perspective, WWII was avoidable for Americans. For those newly enlarged countries holding German citizens that Germany wanted back, not so avoidable if they wanted to keep the spoils.

You've dodged a lot of questions in this thread, but at long last you've avoided dancing around reality, and pointed to a single statement that we agree on. For that, I'm thankful as well. For everything else, I'm disappointed in you. Somehow I expected a more robust knowledge of history, and maybe a bit of understanding of complex events which led down the road to other events. I will tone down my expectations in the future. A good day to you.

[Aprhys]

So Rick you think all of these wars are reasonable yet you have yet to give me a reason why. Second, I do think you are less of a man for choosing the easy way out of going to war for your country. Its the same cowards way out that Mitt Romney took. Scared to serve? Afraid to put your life on the line? Im going on a mission! My second deployment to Iraq was with a guard unit. the 163rd which covers units from Oregon, Utah, Idaho and Montana and there were a handful of young men who came home from their missions to serve even though they were offered exemptions. I have more respect and honor for those guys who were trying to kill me and who killed other coalition soldiers. At least they have the courage to man up and fight for what theu believe rather than rage for war yet give a wide berth to the recruiters office. BTW the "war on terror" lasted a lot longer than your mission did. What kept you from joining up after you got home? Let me guess, the Spirit told you that you had to go to college instead of enlist, right? War is for the rednecks and ghetto trash who aint to good at that book lernin'