Interested in LDS, but I'm in an interracial marriage.

[LDS Watchman]

I'm sure that was aimed at me

That was my guess, too. Good chance it was directed at me, too.

I find the comment strange, because nothing that was said here would suggest that for us "racism" holds everything together.

Hopefully Staturah will explain what he was referring too.

[The East Wind]

You are changing the subject to polygamy in order to win a debate on interracial marriage. So now you want to play the race card against other members on this forum. All I can say is, " Don't be a hater". There you go .

That's the funny part about this all, Connie. In her mind, Stahura is right, but only because she picks and chooses what she wants to be true. Her use of the J of D is right out of the playbook of the lowest common denominator anti out there. The J of D is a collection of 3rd hand accounts of people who heard these talks and transcribed them. There were no recording devices or subtitles to follow along with. Of the literally thousands of words, inflections, and expressions, it is very possible some of the meanings were either lost in translation, misspoke, or just recalled incorrectly by the person who recorded the talk. This is why, the J of D, just like other apocryphal scriptures, are not included in the standard works. There is a lot of truth in both of these resources, but there are mistakes and things that should not be in them, so they must be discerned with the spirit. One simply cannot take the J of D at full face value because it requires true discernment to shift through the true doctrine and the mistakes that have made themselves into the actual print.

As to your point of the church being racist, I couldn't disagree with you anymore. The Lord established His gospel and set His directions for its restoration. An evil like institutional racism has no place in the Lords house and indeed it never has had a place there. As evidence of this, the church has long led the world in its progressive stance of loving all of Heavenly Fathers children. In the 1800's, our church was staunchly abolitionist. Also, while others were persecuting Native Americans, our church embraced them and sent missionaries to them to bring them back to a knowledge of their fathers and the redeemer promised to them. Our church has made tremendous efforts to bring the gospel to the world in a peaceful/not conquering manner.(something most other religions cant say the same about)
However, this is Stahura again, and she will not see any of these as evidence that the church was not racist. Its members may have had some knuckle heads in there, but the organization itself was not rigged to be racist. As to the post from the church about previous teachings, It is apparent that they are just trying to move the dialogue away from this patently false narrative, but the truth is deeper than this, but a sizable majority have not the patience, humility, or historical/scriptural foundation to properly understand this concept.⁵

I agree with you completely Rick Grimes. God is no respecter of persons which means he loves us all.

It’s cute that whenever Rick is confronted with facts, he doesn’t address them, he just finds a friend that soothes him and applauds him and approves of him and that talks about me with that person for a page or two.

It’s cute that Connie finds the need to do the same thing. No need to address facts when you can just talk about the messenger instead of the message.

Cute.

A man would never use the word cute.

[Zathura]

That's the funny part about this all, Connie. In her mind, Stahura is right, but only because she picks and chooses what she wants to be true. Her use of the J of D is right out of the playbook of the lowest common denominator anti out there. The J of D is a collection of 3rd hand accounts of people who heard these talks and transcribed them. There were no recording devices or subtitles to follow along with. Of the literally thousands of words, inflections, and expressions, it is very possible some of the meanings were either lost in translation, misspoke, or just recalled incorrectly by the person who recorded the talk. This is why, the J of D, just like other apocryphal scriptures, are not included in the standard works. There is a lot of truth in both of these resources, but there are mistakes and things that should not be in them, so they must be discerned with the spirit. One simply cannot take the J of D at full face value because it requires true discernment to shift through the true doctrine and the mistakes that have made themselves into the actual print.

As to your point of the church being racist, I couldn't disagree with you anymore. The Lord established His gospel and set His directions for its restoration. An evil like institutional racism has no place in the Lords house and indeed it never has had a place there. As evidence of this, the church has long led the world in its progressive stance of loving all of Heavenly Fathers children. In the 1800's, our church was staunchly abolitionist. Also, while others were persecuting Native Americans, our church embraced them and sent missionaries to them to bring them back to a knowledge of their fathers and the redeemer promised to them. Our church has made tremendous efforts to bring the gospel to the world in a peaceful/not conquering manner.(something most other religions cant say the same about)
However, this is Stahura again, and she will not see any of these as evidence that the church was not racist. Its members may have had some knuckle heads in there, but the organization itself was not rigged to be racist. As to the post from the church about previous teachings, It is apparent that they are just trying to move the dialogue away from this patently false narrative, but the truth is deeper than this, but a sizable majority have not the patience, humility, or historical/scriptural foundation to properly understand this concept.⁵

I agree with you completely Rick Grimes. God is no respecter of persons which means he loves us all.

It’s cute that whenever Rick is confronted with facts, he doesn’t address them, he just finds a friend that soothes him and applauds him and approves of him and that talks about me with that person for a page or two.

It’s cute that Connie finds the need to do the same thing. No need to address facts when you can just talk about the messenger instead of the message.

Cute.

A man would never use the word cute.

Cute

[LDS Watchman]

What you need is nourishment by the milk of the gospel of Christ and to learn the basic tenants of faith, repentance, baptism by immersion, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, and the basic commandments of God required to begin walking on the path back to him. This is what the missionaries are there for.

Go to the following website to get in contact with the missionaries.

https://www.comeuntochrist.org/belong/c ... gJNgfD_BwE

Then once you've been baptized and have carefully read through and studied the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and the Bible at least one time each, then come back here if you want to kick around some of the deep stuff.

Good luck!

If you need anything or have any questions that aren't for the public at large, PM me or shoot me an email through this forum.

[Zathura]

Well done East Wind. You warn people about me, who has never believed that the church is in apostasy, and prop up Matthias post who actively attempts to show that the church is apostate .
You and Rick let your resentment show too easily.

I invite you to read what President Benson said about emnity.

[LDS Watchman]

Well done East Wind. You warn people about me, who has never believed that the church is in apostasy, and prop up Matthias post who actively attempts to show that the church is apostate .
You and Rick let your resentment show too easily.

I invite you to read what President Benson said about emnity.

Staturah, lets give it a rest.

I probably have been a bit overzealous in pointing corruption that I believe has crept into the church. Just getting some things off my chest.

The church is the Lord's church and in spite of what I see as corruption, I believe it is the best place to be. It's where I am and were my wife and I are raising our children.

I also have faith that the Lord's church will be fully set in order in a coming day.

For now what this sincere man needs is the milk of the gospel, which he won't get here.

[gkearney]

Boy the OT come here asking a simple question and we decide to engage in a LDSFF cage fight, we really know how to set the right example don't we?

[darknesstolight]

We have four mixed face couples in our ward. In a lot of states it was against the law to marry out of your face in the 1950 or 1960's. The church encourages obeying the law of the land.

But the Church discouraged interracial marriages in the past not because they were forced to do so in order to honor the law, but because they Church taught institutional racism for much of its history. Until fairly recently and you still find a large segment of members of the Church today, the Church taught that white people were superior to dark people and that those of African descent, specifically, were here on Earth to be servants to the white people. The Church taught, as a matter of doctrine, that interracial marriages were wrong.

Today the Church has denounced these racist practices and philosophies and while most Church members embrace this change as a good thing, you will find many who still justify the racism, deny the racism, or who feel that the institutional racism of the Church was God's plan for us and that we have apostatized today due to reversing our racist beliefs.

D2L

Not true at all.^ it's like you did a copy and paste job from an anti website.

Everything I've stated is true. The Church used to teach officially and from the pulpit, repeatedly, and it is found in our historical documents and minutes, that Black Africans were less valiant in the Spirit world. It taught that God favors the white skin. It taught that black people should be honored and feel blessed to know that they are servants to the white people (BY taught this openly). Even today on this forum and on other websites you see LDS racism. You see people who believe that BY was right about the races and that the current Church, which has denounced earlier racist teachings of the Church, is now in a state of apostasy because they have rejected the earlier counsel. There are members on this forum that I have read who believe that the Church screwed up when it stopped preaching against interacial marriage.

The LDS has a racist history that is in the historical documents and they are plain to see. You don't need to go to an anti-Mormon website to learn this. Most of this I learned from studying the JoD, Joseph Smith Papers, and other Church provided material.

The glossed over history that you see taught in SS and in Sacrament is a whitewashed version of historical facts because back in the 80's and 90's the Church was more interested in promoting "faith" than they were in historical facts and so much of the scholarly work that came out of that period was biased in favor of the Church and facts were eliminated or made to look nicer than they were.

I'm not wrong and I'm not lying.

D2L

[Zathura]

We have four mixed face couples in our ward. In a lot of states it was against the law to marry out of your face in the 1950 or 1960's. The church encourages obeying the law of the land.

But the Church discouraged interracial marriages in the past not because they were forced to do so in order to honor the law, but because they Church taught institutional racism for much of its history. Until fairly recently and you still find a large segment of members of the Church today, the Church taught that white people were superior to dark people and that those of African descent, specifically, were here on Earth to be servants to the white people. The Church taught, as a matter of doctrine, that interracial marriages were wrong.

Today the Church has denounced these racist practices and philosophies and while most Church members embrace this change as a good thing, you will find many who still justify the racism, deny the racism, or who feel that the institutional racism of the Church was God's plan for us and that we have apostatized today due to reversing our racist beliefs.

D2L

Not true at all.^ it's like you did a copy and paste job from an anti website.

Everything I've stated is true. The Church used to teach officially and from the pulpit, repeatedly, and it is found in our historical documents and minutes, that Black Africans were less valiant in the Spirit world. It taught that God favors the white skin. It taught that black people should be honored and feel blessed to know that they are servants to the white people (BY taught this openly). Even today on this forum and on other websites you see LDS racism. You see people who believe that BY was right about the races and that the current Church, which has denounced earlier racist teachings of the Church, is now in a state of apostasy because they have rejected the earlier counsel. There are members on this forum that I have read who believe that the Church screwed up when it stopped preaching against interacial marriage.

The LDS has a racist history that is in the historical documents and they are plain to see. You don't need to go to an anti-Mormon website to learn this. Most of this I learned from studying the JoD, Joseph Smith Papers, and other Church provided material.

The glossed over history that you see taught in SS and in Sacrament is a whitewashed version of historical facts because back in the 80's and 90's the Church was more interested in promoting "faith" than they were in historical facts and so much of the scholarly work that came out of that period was biased in favor of the Church and facts were eliminated or made to look nicer than they were.

I'm not wrong and I'm not lying.

D2L

There is no inaccuracy in your statements, but people don’t like inconvenient truths , which is precisely why you were immediately falsely accused of being wrong, and why I was piled upon by multiple individuals for defending your post.

It is what it is. You should post more on the forum friend.