Multiple mortalities?

[BruceRGilbert]

Other "Worlds:" (Not Earths . . . but the construct that infers "Telestial" conscious existence in an unspecified environment/local.)

Doctrine and Covenants 76:
31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power—
32 They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born;
33 For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with the devil and his angels in eternity;
34 Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come—
35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame.
36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels—
37 And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power; (Spiritual Death - being "cut-off" from association and fellowship with God - no "light of Christ" and no "Holy Ghost."
38 Yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath.
39 For all the rest shall be brought forth by the resurrection of the dead, through the triumph and the glory of the Lamb, who was slain, who was in the bosom of the Father before the worlds were made. (In the DUE TIME of the LORD)

Doctrine and Covenants 76:
81 And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament.
82 These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus. (Present Tense)
83 These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit.
84 These are they who are thrust down to hell.
85 These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work. (With "them" individually if they have been His enemy. The "last resurrection," just like the "first resurrection," does not have a specific time frame.)
86 These are they who receive not of his fulness in the eternal world, but of the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial;
87 And the terrestrial through the ministration of the celestial.
88 And also the telestial receive it of the administering of angels who are appointed to minister for them, or who are appointed to be ministering spirits for them; for they shall be heirs of salvation.
89 And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding;
90 And no man knows it except him to whom God has revealed it.
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98 And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one from another in glory in the telestial world;
99 For these are they who are of Paul, and of Apollos, and of Cephas.
100 These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch;
101 But received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenant.
102 Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn, and received into the cloud.
103 These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.
104 These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth.
105 These are they who suffer the vengeance of eternal fire.
106 These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work;
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109 But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore;
110 And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever;
111 For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared;
112 And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end. (NOT a Celestial or a Terrestrial State - hence: ENTROPY and Death. The Cycle repeats until the lessons are learned.)

The objective is not to get caught in the "cycle" of disbelief nor deny the Holy Ghost. To be EVIL is to LIVE backwards. God's grace is sufficient if we will believe and LIVE.

Note: Edited to add highlighting to having placed their trust in the physical "arm of flesh" and not the internal/spiritual "voice of the Spirit;" having worshiped "Idols" with appearance and no substance - the "They knew me not" ones.

[creator]

I find this topic to be an interesting one to consider, especially in regards to the idea of eternal progression and what Joseph Smith said about "going from grace to grace, exaltation to exaltation until you attain to the resurrection of the dead and can sit in everlasting burnings".

And while I do like to consider various theories about MMP, I also think this topic can become a distraction when people start thinking they were someone special in a past life.

[AlbedoEffect]

After reading this thread, I must add my own opinion and experiences. My family adopted some special needs kids who were later in their life told their calling and election is made sure. Now, if MMP is a thing, would that not invalidate their handicapped existence? Would that not invalidate everything we do here on earth? Nothing is said and done until Judgement, but it is said it is 10 times harder to change without your body (post-death). We can't simply ignore the parts of the gospel that are convenient in proving our points. Catalog your information and measure it against new theories. It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain an idea without accepting it. This also means we don't simply believe in something without proof or reasonable suspicion. If MMP was a thing, our entire doctrine would be centered around it. Instead, our doctrine is centered on our lives here and now and our path toward exaltation through the gate of judgment.

[creator]

If MMP was a thing, our entire doctrine would be centered around it. Instead, our doctrine is centered on our lives here and now and our path toward exaltation through the gate of judgment.

I think you could restate this as: Even IF MMP is a thing, it would not be a focus, and would be de-emphasized, because what's important now is what we do in our lives here and now.

[BruceRGilbert]

Alma 40:
23 The soul shall be restored to the body, and the body to the soul; yea, and every limb and joint shall be restored to its body; yea, even a hair of the head shall not be lost; but all things shall be restored to their proper and perfect frame.
24 And now, my son, this is the restoration of which has been spoken by the mouths of the prophets
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26 But behold, an awful death cometh upon the wicked; for they die as to things pertaining to things of righteousness; for they are unclean, and no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of God; but they are cast out, and consigned to partake of the fruits of their labors or their works, which have been evil; and they drink the dregs of a bitter cup.

Alma 41:
1 And now, my son, I have somewhat to say concerning the restoration of which has been spoken; for behold, some have wrested the scriptures, and have gone far astray because of this thing. And I perceive that thy mind has been worried also concerning this thing. But behold, I will explain it unto thee.
2 I say unto thee, my son, that the plan of restoration is requisite with the justice of God; for it is requisite that all things should be restored to their proper order. Behold, it is requisite and just, according to the power and resurrection of Christ, that the soul of man should be restored to its body, and that every apart of the body should be restored to itself.
3 And it is requisite with the justice of God that men should be judged according to their works; and if their works were good in this life, and the desires of their hearts were good, that they should also, at the last day, be restored unto that which is good.
4 And if their works are evil they shall be restored unto them for evil. Therefore, all things shall be restored to their proper order, every thing to its natural frame—mortality raised to immortality, corruption to incorruption—raised to endless happiness to inherit the kingdom of God, or to endless misery to inherit the kingdom of the devil, the one on one hand, the other on the other—
5 The one raised to happiness according to his desires of happiness, or good according to his desires of good; and the other to evil according to his desires of evil; for as he has desired to do evil all the day long even so shall he have his reward of evil when the night cometh.
6 And so it is on the other hand. If he hath repented of his sins, and desired righteousness until the end of his days, even so he shall be rewarded unto righteousness.
7 These are they that are redeemed of the Lord; yea, these are they that are taken out, that are delivered from that endless night of darkness; and thus they stand or fall; for behold, they are their own judges, whether to do good or do evil.
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10 Do not suppose, because it has been spoken concerning restoration, that ye shall be restored from sin to happiness. Behold, I say unto you, wickedness never was happiness.
11 And now, my son, all men that are in a state of nature, or I would say, in a carnal state, are in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; they are without God in the world, and they have gone contrary to the nature of God; therefore, they are in a state contrary to the nature of happiness.
12 And now behold, is the meaning of the word restoration to take a thing of a natural state and place it in an unnatural state, or to place it in a state opposite to its nature?
13 O, my son, this is not the case; but the meaning of the word restoration is to bring back again evil for evil, or carnal for carnal, or devilish for devilish—good for that which is good; righteous for that which is righteous; just for that which is just; merciful for that which is merciful.
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15 For that which ye do send out shall return unto you again, and be restored; therefore, the word restoration more fully condemneth the sinner, and justifieth him not at all.

Alma 42:
27 Therefore, O my son, whosoever will come may come and partake of the waters of life freely; and whosoever will not come the same is not compelled to come; but in the last day it shall be restored unto him according to his deeds.
28 If he has desired to do evil, and has not repented in his days, behold, evil shall be done unto him, according to the restoration of God.

Doctrine and Covenants 88:
35 That which breaketh a law, and abideth not by law, but seeketh to become a law unto itself, and willeth to abide in sin, and altogether abideth in sin, cannot be sanctified by law, neither by mercy, justice, nor judgment. Therefore, they must remain filthy still.

Doctrine and Covenants 29:
43 And thus did I, the Lord God, appoint unto man the days of his probation—that by his natural death he might be raised in immortality unto eternal life, even as many as would believe;
44 And they that believe not unto eternal damnation; for they cannot be redeemed from their spiritual fall, because they repent not;
45 For they love darkness rather than light, and their deeds are evil, and they receive their wages of whom they list to obey. (Physical Death: the wages of sin.)

And so . . . to answer the OP, Multiple Mortal Probations, yes - if you are wicked and harken to Satan rather than God.

[nightlight]

Bible > KJV > 1 Peter 5
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Instructions to Elders

1The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

5Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

6Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

10But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

[nightlight]

From Grace to Grace...Exaltation to Exaltation ^^^^

[NewEliza]

Just here to say I am pro mmp

[Believing Joseph]

While I do like to consider various theories about MMP, I also think this topic can become a distraction when people start thinking they were someone special in a past life.

Come to think of it, you don't have to believe in reincarnation to believe that you were someone special in a past life - remember the whole "you were generals in the War of Heaven" quote that's been repeated to LDS youth for, what is it, three or four decades by now? People really, really like to think that they are unique and important, and they will find a way to shoehorn their faith in their own importance into whatever belief system they happen to find themselves in.

[nightlight]

More from KFD:

These are the first principles of consolation. How consoling to the mourners when they are called to part with a husband, wife, father, mother, child, or dear relative, to know that, although the earthly tabernacle is laid down and dissolved, they shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.
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So....you guys claim JS was hinting at MMP, but right after he says what you all use to validate mmp....he says the above.

You MMP crowed claim the Father was Jesus to Jesus....yet Abraham says this:


22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the aintelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the bnoble and great ones;

23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast achosen before thou wast born.

24 And there stood aone among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and bwe will make an earth whereon these may cdwell;

25 And we will aprove them herewith, to see if they will bdo all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;

26 And they who akeep their first bestate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second cestate shall have dglory added upon their heads for ever and ever.

27 And the aLord said: Whom shall I bsend? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And canother answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will dsend the first.

28 And the asecond was angry, and kept not his first bestate; and, at that day, many followed after him.
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Jesus was a spirit.....not a resurrected man.

These "theories" fall apart when we apply the Oracle to them

[Believing Joseph]

Multiple mortal probation or mortality's is a false teaching that smacks the sealing powers of the Priesthood and the atonement of Christ in the face. But if it's true then I'm glad Elvis gets another life to die another way.

How exactly does it do that? I'm not aware of anybody on this forum denying that faith in Christ, repentance, etc. are necessary for salvation.

[Believing Joseph]

More from KFD:

These are the first principles of consolation. How consoling to the mourners when they are called to part with a husband, wife, father, mother, child, or dear relative, to know that, although the earthly tabernacle is laid down and dissolved, they shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

Joseph is talking about the Resurrection of the Just there. I think the general sense of the people on this forum who are in favor of reincarnation is that it is what the unjust and/or non-accountable will experience in the afterlife.

Jesus was a spirit.....not a resurrected man.

These "theories" fall apart when we apply the Oracle to them

We all believe (or at least I think we all do) that Jesus was God from before the foundation of the world. We also believe (or at least I think we all do) that having a mortal experience is necessary to progress to Godhood. The mainstream LDS church doesn't try to reconcile these two beliefs. Some people on this forum do.

[nightlight]

More from KFD:

These are the first principles of consolation. How consoling to the mourners when they are called to part with a husband, wife, father, mother, child, or dear relative, to know that, although the earthly tabernacle is laid down and dissolved, they shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

Joseph is talking about the Resurrection of the Just there. I think the general sense of the people on this forum who are in favor of reincarnation is that it is what the unjust and/or non-accountable will experience in the afterlife.

Jesus was a spirit.....not a resurrected man.

These "theories" fall apart when we apply the Oracle to them

We all believe (or at least I think we all do) that Jesus was God from before the foundation of the world. We also believe (or at least I think we all do) that having a mortal experience is necessary to progress to Godhood. The mainstream LDS church doesn't try to reconcile these two beliefs. Some people on this forum do.

I'm addressing those who think they will leave their resurrected/exalted bodies to become the "new Jesus " to....actually, I'm not sure who they think they'll be Jesus to, they never give me an answer. I suppose they think it will be for their spirit children, but that doesn't line up with the Format. Our Father didn't redeem us...our Brother did.

[nightlight]

Maybe those of the second resurrection can respawn...but I'm more inclined to think kingdom progression comes from beyond the Veil
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"But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the grave."

Joseph Smith -KFD

[Rick Grimes]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised to learn that some LDS members believe in reincarnation. There are people who believe that Satan and his host will also be forgiven and given the chance to recieve bodies and a degree of glory. It really is a pleasing (to the ear) message for those that want to believe that we literally have eternity and beyond to "get it right". The message of repentance falls on deaf ears when there is assurance of a "do over" in case they decide to enjoy life now, and will do better the next life.

[Believing Joseph]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised to learn that some LDS members believe in reincarnation. There are people who believe that Satan and his host will also be forgiven and given the chance to recieve bodies and a degree of glory. It really is a pleasing (to the ear) message for those that want to believe that we literally have eternity and beyond to "get it right". The message of repentance falls on deaf ears when there is assurance of a "do over" in case they decide to enjoy life now, and will do better the next life.

I don't think that the people here who believe in reincarnation generally conceive it as a do-over.

It really seems to have more to do with a belief that the things we're sent to Earth to do often can't be accomplished in one lifetime, especially if that lifetime involves dying in childhood or never knowing much about the Gospel. The plain fact is that people go through life with vastly different degrees of knowledge, opportunity, and accountability, and reincarnation has a lot of appeal as an equalizing factor.

[BruceRGilbert]

I want to interject something at this point and that is that those with developmental handicaps and those who died in their infancy will be resurrected to live the Terrestrial State of the Millennium during a glorious era when Christ will reign and the earth will have rest and peace. Please dispel the notion that it is going to be otherwise for them.

The scriptures indicate which conditions pertain to those not entering into God's presence, worlds without end. It should be plain, if not, then I would invite those who still call this "reincarnation" stuff pertinent to us, to ponder and pray about it.

[Rick Grimes]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised to learn that some LDS members believe in reincarnation. There are people who believe that Satan and his host will also be forgiven and given the chance to recieve bodies and a degree of glory. It really is a pleasing (to the ear) message for those that want to believe that we literally have eternity and beyond to "get it right". The message of repentance falls on deaf ears when there is assurance of a "do over" in case they decide to enjoy life now, and will do better the next life.

I don't think that the people here who believe in reincarnation generally conceive it as a do-over.

It really seems to have more to do with a belief that the things we're sent to Earth to do often can't be accomplished in one lifetime, especially if that lifetime involves dying in childhood or never knowing much about the Gospel. The plain fact is that people go through life with vastly different degrees of knowledge, opportunity, and accountability, and reincarnation has a lot of appeal as an equalizing factor.

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Semantics.

You can dress it up how you like. It means the same thing. You werent righteous enough, didnt learn enough, spent your days partying, etc... you get to live it again to do better next time. The scriptures speak plainly though and this is not the case. The BOM puts the nail on the coffin by explaining that once we are resurrected, we cannot go thru death again, or the seperation of the spirit from ones body. Yet, here we go, people saying we can live and die multiple times.

[Believing Joseph]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised to learn that some LDS members believe in reincarnation. There are people who believe that Satan and his host will also be forgiven and given the chance to recieve bodies and a degree of glory. It really is a pleasing (to the ear) message for those that want to believe that we literally have eternity and beyond to "get it right". The message of repentance falls on deaf ears when there is assurance of a "do over" in case they decide to enjoy life now, and will do better the next life.

I don't think that the people here who believe in reincarnation generally conceive it as a do-over.

It really seems to have more to do with a belief that the things we're sent to Earth to do often can't be accomplished in one lifetime, especially if that lifetime involves dying in childhood or never knowing much about the Gospel. The plain fact is that people go through life with vastly different degrees of knowledge, opportunity, and accountability, and reincarnation has a lot of appeal as an equalizing factor.

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Semantics.

You can dress it up how you like. It means the same thing. You werent righteous enough, didnt learn enough, spent your days partying, etc... you get to live it again to do better next time. The scriptures speak plainly though and this is not the case. The BOM puts the nail on the coffin by explaining that once we are resurrected, we cannot go thru death again, or the seperation of the spirit from ones body. Yet, here we go, people saying we can live and die multiple times.

It baffles me that you dismiss the differecces between these perspectives as "semantics."

There is a huge disparity between believing, on the one hand, that the characters in Abijah's story will be sent back repeatedly until they've had a thorough enough mortal experience to be judged by, and believing, on the other hand, that if "you weren't righteous enough, didn't learn enough, spent your days partying, etc... you get to live it again to do better next time."

You can misrepresent the perspective of people like Abijah all you want, but you're only fooling yourself.

[abijah`]

fyi i copy / pasted it from another lds forum

its from another thread on mmp, its quite an interesting read:

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/686 ... robations/

[nightlight]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised to learn that some LDS members believe in reincarnation. There are people who believe that Satan and his host will also be forgiven and given the chance to recieve bodies and a degree of glory. It really is a pleasing (to the ear) message for those that want to believe that we literally have eternity and beyond to "get it right". The message of repentance falls on deaf ears when there is assurance of a "do over" in case they decide to enjoy life now, and will do better the next life.

I don't think that the people here who believe in reincarnation generally conceive it as a do-over.

It really seems to have more to do with a belief that the things we're sent to Earth to do often can't be accomplished in one lifetime, especially if that lifetime involves dying in childhood or never knowing much about the Gospel. The plain fact is that people go through life with vastly different degrees of knowledge, opportunity, and accountability, and reincarnation has a lot of appeal as an equalizing factor.

We were sent here to become as little children.

God knows what a person would choose.
Those who die as children inherit the Highest. The scriptures speak plain

I know many people who have claim on the CK...I'm not that impressed. I'd rather take the little ones any day

[nightlight]

I've been pondering this....this is what I've got

Those who die without the Law will be ressurected in the First Day of the Resurrection. They will get the opportunity to advance to higher degrees in that 1000 years.

(This is just my opinion)

[nightlight]

Wherefore, he has given a law; and where there is no law given there is no punishment; and where there is no punishment there is no condemnation; and where there is no condemnation the mercies of the Holy One of Israel have claim upon them, because of the atonement; for they are delivered by the power of him. For the atonement satisfieth the demands of justice upon all those who have not the law given to them, that they are delivered from that awful monster, death and hell, and the devil, and the lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment; and they are restored to that God who gave them breath, which is the Holy One of Israel (2 Nephi 9:25-26).

[Alexander]

More from KFD:

These are the first principles of consolation. How consoling to the mourners when they are called to part with a husband, wife, father, mother, child, or dear relative, to know that, although the earthly tabernacle is laid down and dissolved, they shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

Joseph is talking about the Resurrection of the Just there. I think the general sense of the people on this forum who are in favor of reincarnation is that it is what the unjust and/or non-accountable will experience in the afterlife.

Jesus was a spirit.....not a resurrected man.

These "theories" fall apart when we apply the Oracle to them

We all believe (or at least I think we all do) that Jesus was God from before the foundation of the world. We also believe (or at least I think we all do) that having a mortal experience is necessary to progress to Godhood. The mainstream LDS church doesn't try to reconcile these two beliefs. Some people on this forum do.

I'm addressing those who think they will leave their resurrected/exalted bodies to become the "new Jesus " to....actually, I'm not sure who they think they'll be Jesus to, they never give me an answer. I suppose they think it will be for their spirit children, but that doesn't line up with the Format. Our Father didn't redeem us...our Brother did.

Christ becomes our Father as we are born again in him. This same relationship is what Jesus has with his Father, and his father with his, etc. So I mean yes, our father did redeem us. Jesus is the father and the son.

Side note:
If Christ is doing only what the Father hath already done, and we are to become like Jesus (God) we must follow in his footsteps also.

[Alexander]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised to learn that some LDS members believe in reincarnation. There are people who believe that Satan and his host will also be forgiven and given the chance to recieve bodies and a degree of glory. It really is a pleasing (to the ear) message for those that want to believe that we literally have eternity and beyond to "get it right". The message of repentance falls on deaf ears when there is assurance of a "do over" in case they decide to enjoy life now, and will do better the next life.

I don't think that the people here who believe in reincarnation generally conceive it as a do-over.

It really seems to have more to do with a belief that the things we're sent to Earth to do often can't be accomplished in one lifetime, especially if that lifetime involves dying in childhood or never knowing much about the Gospel. The plain fact is that people go through life with vastly different degrees of knowledge, opportunity, and accountability, and reincarnation has a lot of appeal as an equalizing factor.

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Semantics.

You can dress it up how you like. It means the same thing. You werent righteous enough, didnt learn enough, spent your days partying, etc... you get to live it again to do better next time. The scriptures speak plainly though and this is not the case. The BOM puts the nail on the coffin by explaining that once we are resurrected, we cannot go thru death again, or the seperation of the spirit from ones body. Yet, here we go, people saying we can live and die multiple times.

When the scriptures talk about not dying again, they are talking about the spirit of an individual. When one becomes born again in Christ, their spirit is resurrected and cannot die (be separated from God). [but this separation can happen if they become a son of perdition]
God talks about things in terms of spiritual.