Multiple mortalities?

[Alexander]

I’ve been looking into what the telestial kingdom is since this world is telestial, if those who inherit the telestial kingdom will enter another mortality (you may be aware from my last post here https://tinyurl.com/ttjuk3c).
Here are some interesting videos about people remembering their past lives.

https://youtu.be/nhGX1YCsvAM

https://youtu.be/La8vG4mA0is

Tell me what you think

Edit: I didn’t know there were other threads on this subject. I searched up “multiple mortalities” and nothing came up. It wasn’t til after that I became aware of the term MMP and the many other threads on this subject

[Alexander]

there is also an interesting theory among some christians that Melchizedek is Jesus in a past mortality, or pre-mortal Christ

[DesertWonderer2]

MMP? Utterly false doctrine. RUN from whomever is teaching you this.

[Believing Joseph]

I’ve been looking into what the telestial kingdom since this world is telestial, if those who inherit the telestial kingdom will enter another mortality (you may be aware from my last post here https://tinyurl.com/ttjuk3c).

That leaves a big question in terms of what the people in the Terrestrial Kingdom will inherit. If there is some truth to reincarnation (and no, I am not going to rebrand it with a Mormony name like MMP) then wouldn't it make more sense if rebirth onto the Earth is associated with the Kingdom whose name literally means "of or pertaining to the Earth?"

It has long been my suspicion that progression upward from the Terrestrial Kingdom is possible: this is based on D&C 76:72, "These are they who died without law," a verse which seems to be entirely ignored in the church today, where the belief is that everyone has a chance at getting to the Celestial Kingdom but this will probably come in the form of post-mortem conversion to Mormonism. But if you actually take the scriptures to mean what they say - that people who died without law go to the Terrestrial Kingdom (along with well-meaning people led astray by parents, priests, etc. whom they should have been able to trust) - while at the same time retaining the belief that the mercy of Christ is ultimately strong enough for all those people - then you have quite a bit of rearranging to do.

The situation for the Telestial Kingdom looks bleaker: it appears you can only go there if, in a state of full accountability, you go about making other people's lives worse by practicing murders, whoredoms, sorceries, lying, or hypocrisy in claiming to follow Christ when you don't. And the consequence is that you get "thrust down to hell."

Not a good place to go. And even if you do eventually get "thrown back to the native element... to be worked over again," as Brigham Young put it, it will still be a grossly unpleasant experience.

[MMbelieve]

If I had another chance at life, to start over, I would do it all the same.

Zero point in coming back to live another life as there will still be a veil. This is the time to live our lives and to prepare to meet God.

To me, hell is reliving the same mistakes over and over and over and over forever knowing exactly how you will mess up but cannot change it. Many people have already created this version of hell in their own minds and lives right here on earth.

[Believing Joseph]

Zero point in coming back to live another life as there will still be a veil. This is the time to live our lives and to prepare to meet God.

This perspective may seem logical at first glance but it falls apart on further inspection.

It's pretty clear from the scriptures that not everyone has equal spiritual knowledge or opportunities to choose between good and evil.

It's one thing to say that a fully accountable murderer, sorcerer, or adulterer, or someone who neglects the poor, would gain nothing from being sent back to do the same thing again - it's in his nature.

If reincarnation exists, the only people who would benefit from it would be those who had little knowledge of good and evil, or were surrounded by bad examples while growing up, or who died as children, or who suffered mental dysfunction, or who lived honest and charitable lives but within a defective religious framework that couldn't bring them back to God.

I know the official church teaching is that these people (the bulk of the human population) will be handled by spirit missionaries and proxy ordinances. I just find that hard to reconcile with many passages in the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham, where the purpose of life on Earth is to experience moral conflict and prove our love for God and our neighbors. So why bother to create and populate an Earth if most of the heavy lifting is going to be done in the Spirit World?

[Alexander]

Zero point in coming back to live another life as there will still be a veil. This is the time to live our lives and to prepare to meet God.

This perspective may seem logical at first glance but it falls apart on further inspection.

It's pretty clear from the scriptures that not everyone has equal spiritual knowledge or opportunities to choose between good and evil.

It's one thing to say that a fully accountable murderer, sorcerer, or adulterer, or someone who neglects the poor, would gain nothing from being sent back to do the same thing again - it's in his nature.

If reincarnation exists, the only people who would benefit from it would be those who had little knowledge of good and evil, or were surrounded by bad examples while growing up, or who died as children, or who suffered mental dysfunction, or who lived honest and charitable lives but within a defective religious framework that couldn't bring them back to God.

I know the official church teaching is that these people (the bulk of the human population) will be handled by spirit missionaries and proxy ordinances. I just find that hard to reconcile with many passages in the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham, where the purpose of life on Earth is to experience moral conflict and prove our love for God and our neighbors. So why bother to create and populate an Earth if most of the heavy lifting is going to be done in the Spirit World?

Just a thought, perhaps the population of the world is a lot smaller than we think. If there are multiple mortalilties, one could come back on this same world again and would be given another chance to follow Christ.

[Alexander]

MMP? Utterly false doctrine. RUN from whomever is teaching you this.

What are your thoughts on those who claim to remember their previous life then?

[abijah`]

"So where did you live?"

"Oh, I was 440 AD, in Asia. I only made it to like 15 years old though. Attila the Hun slaughtered our town."

"Really? That's too bad. I know how you feel though, I only made it to age 10 myself, but was sacrificed by the local priest. Mesoamerica, 700AD."

"Sorry to hear that. Yeah, this life thing was pretty random. Remember all that talk about God and Jesus and stuff before we left, learning to obey them, gaining experience, learning the gospel?"

"Yeah, I remember. But I never heard any of that stuff. My life was pretty short and horrible, you know what I mean?"

"Same here. I never got to do any of the things I wanted to do before we left."

"But I was talking to some of those missionaries that keep walking around. They say we can go to the CK if we accept the ordinances of the church."

"I heard about that too. But holy crap thats gonna be a long wait. It will be forever until they get to our names"

"Ha ha. We should be considered lucky. See that dude over there? Tower of babel era. Waaaay back in time."

"See that group of people over there? I wonder why they are always so happy?

"I was thinking that myself and went over and talked to them the other day. Turns out, they get a free pass. Straight to the CK."

"What? How did they swing that?

"They all died as children. They don't have to wait."

"Really?"

"Yep. I'm sort of pissed. I missed out by like a year and half. I sort of wish the priest in our village would have picked me sooner. I might of had a free pass myself."

"Yeah, that sucks. So you think you are ready for the CK? You think you learned enough on earth for that?"

"You know, its kind of weird. When I think on what I learned, I'm not sure it translates into CK material. All I really did was work, look for food, and try to stay alive. I'm not sure what the point of going down was, other than I needed to get body."

"Same here. Like I said before, I didn't know anything about real the real God. We worshipped nature or something like that. It seemed reasonable at the time, but we never knew why these Gods seems mad all the time, cursing our weather and such. Seems a little foolish now thinking back."

[MMbelieve]

Zero point in coming back to live another life as there will still be a veil. This is the time to live our lives and to prepare to meet God.

This perspective may seem logical at first glance but it falls apart on further inspection.

It's pretty clear from the scriptures that not everyone has equal spiritual knowledge or opportunities to choose between good and evil.

It's one thing to say that a fully accountable murderer, sorcerer, or adulterer, or someone who neglects the poor, would gain nothing from being sent back to do the same thing again - it's in his nature.

If reincarnation exists, the only people who would benefit from it would be those who had little knowledge of good and evil, or were surrounded by bad examples while growing up, or who died as children, or who suffered mental dysfunction, or who lived honest and charitable lives but within a defective religious framework that couldn't bring them back to God.

I know the official church teaching is that these people (the bulk of the human population) will be handled by spirit missionaries and proxy ordinances. I just find that hard to reconcile with many passages in the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham, where the purpose of life on Earth is to experience moral conflict and prove our love for God and our neighbors. So why bother to create and populate an Earth if most of the heavy lifting is going to be done in the Spirit World?

There are certainly more questions than answers when we dive into the particulars and try to understand the reasons and purposes of our pre present and after lives.

Joseph Smith’s brother died before being baptized or having the gospel taught to him. We are informed that he still made it regardless. He was not given a vision of his brother being sent back to try again. There really is no lottery to play here, no coming back in a better situation to gain advantages.

The parable of the workers in the vineyard plays a role here too. Some showed up to work at sunrise and others showed up at all times throughout the working day. At the end of the day, they all received the same compensation. In our earthy realm this makes zero sense as people get compensated for their time put in. However, God doesn’t appear to operate this way.

God knows us and knows the choices we will make and would have made. We don’t need another life after this one, we have all already made the greatest choice to come here and the entire point of this mortal life is to gain a body. It’s not to prove to God or ourselves that we can make correct choices, it’s to gain a body. We have already proved we can make correct choices in our pre-existence.

Some people are given great opportunities at life by having two parents who love each other and provide their needs. Some are born into long legacies and heritages. Some are born being unwanted and unloved or abused or sold into horrible situations. Why does this happen? I cannot say. No one can say.
However, before we came here we had personalities and characters. If someone born into great burdens can overcome and emerge as a good person then would they have been different if given a stable or even privileged life? Or are they simply a good person? Does being poor make a person better? Does being rich make a person worse? Or vise versa?

I come from humble and difficult roots. I emerged a good person. I do not believe I would have been any more good or worse had I been born into a 2 parent member home or with money or whatever else I didn’t have.

I think life can just be difficult and unfortunate and we have no good answers to why some suffer so much and others do not.

I don’t think the spirit world is where it all happens. I think it’s within the plan and bigger picture where it all happens. This life is short and it’s entire purpose is to get back home. People overthink and I believe clarity comes in the calmness of keeping it simple.

[Dave62]

"So where did you live?"

"Oh, I was 440 AD, in Asia. I only made it to like 15 years old though. Attila the Hun slaughtered our town."

"Really? That's too bad. I know how you feel though, I only made it to age 10 myself, but was sacrificed by the local priest. Mesoamerica, 700AD."

"Sorry to hear that. Yeah, this life thing was pretty random. Remember all that talk about God and Jesus and stuff before we left, learning to obey them, gaining experience, learning the gospel?"

"Yeah, I remember. But I never heard any of that stuff. My life was pretty short and horrible, you know what I mean?"

"Same here. I never got to do any of the things I wanted to do before we left."

"But I was talking to some of those missionaries that keep walking around. They say we can go to the CK if we accept the ordinances of the church."

"I heard about that too. But holy crap thats gonna be a long wait. It will be forever until they get to our names"

"Ha ha. We should be considered lucky. See that dude over there? Tower of babel era. Waaaay back in time."

"See that group of people over there? I wonder why they are always so happy?

"I was thinking that myself and went over and talked to them the other day. Turns out, they get a free pass. Straight to the CK."

"What? How did they swing that?

"They all died as children. They don't have to wait."

"Really?"

"Yep. I'm sort of pissed. I missed out by like a year and half. I sort of wish the priest in our village would have picked me sooner. I might of had a free pass myself."

"Yeah, that sucks. So you think you are ready for the CK? You think you learned enough on earth for that?"

"You know, its kind of weird. When I think on what I learned, I'm not sure it translates into CK material. All I really did was work, look for food, and try to stay alive. I'm not sure what the point of going down was, other than I needed to get body."

"Same here. Like I said before, I didn't know anything about real the real God. We worshipped nature or something like that. It seemed reasonable at the time, but we never knew why these Gods seems mad all the time, cursing our weather and such. Seems a little foolish now thinking back."

Read carefully. Moroni 7:22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the blaw. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing

[Elizabeth]

There are many threads already on this subject. I think they should all be combined.
Always check for existing threads on a topic before starting a new thread.

Tell me what you think

[Rick Grimes]

MMP? Utterly false doctrine. RUN from whomever is teaching you this.

What are your thoughts on those who claim to remember their previous life then?

Reincarnation is a false belief used by Satan to lull people into a false sense of security, that if they screw it up in this life, they will get another chance in their next life. This is a dangerous and lazy doctrine that would nullify the atonement for all it is worth. Who needs Christ when you can just get another mulligan?

There are a number of doctrinal issues that are very clear that make plural lives a contradiction to these established doctrines. First, is the very definition of our eventual deaths and promised resurrection. The scriptural definition of death is the seperation of our spirit from our bodies. Our resurrection is the reunion of our spirit to an incorruptible or perfect and immortal body. Once this happens, death will have no power over us, so we cannot and will not die anymore, i.e our spirits will not seperate from these resurrected bodies anymore. During the intermission of these events, we will either be in Spirit prison or in a state of rest/service to others in the spirit world. This is established plainly in the scriptures as Christ was even preaching to those who died in the flood, vs just having them be born again to give it another go. These established facts leave zero room for reincarnation to have any place in the plan of salvation. Add to this, questions about how a resurrection would work for the world if reincarnation was the truth? So if people led multiple lives, but retain the same spirit but wearing new bodies each time, how would their temple marriage and sealing work? Would people be sealed to all of their former spouses, children, relatives, even if the ordinance wasnt performed in their name? Could you possibly be your own offspring? What if you lived 600 years ago and you are actually your own descendant? It just seems so rife with contradictions and improbabilities that it seems desperate to try and work this false doctrine into the tapestry of the gospel.

As to your own question about people remembering past lives, that is a bigger question that pertains to the identity and mission of the Holy Ghost. Because of this, I do believe there is some validity to these accounts, but I also think there is a lot more fraud or people with very vivid imaginations that account for these claims.

[Luke]

Not in the way some think. The roles we play when we next come to an earth will be Adam and Eve and Saviour type roles. We won't have another life where we come not knowing anything about the Gospel.

[Rick Grimes]

Not in the way some think. The roles we play when we next come to an earth will be Adam and Eve and Saviour type roles. We won't have another life where we come not knowing anything about the Gospel.

Same problem here^. Adam and Eve died on this Earth. If they had been resurrected beings who had lived their full mortality in another world and then were resurrected, they could not have died again. The scriptures speak plainly to this fact. Once resurrection happens, death has no power over us any longer.

[Davka]

I would say this forum is split about 50/50, at least among those who have voiced an opinion, for the possibility of multiple mortal lives. Among those who believe in some form of MMP, there is very little consensus on the details. Some believe an individual is limited to one life per world, or round, others believe in more of a traditional reincarnation model. Some believe multiple probations means endless chances to get it right, others believe it is more like a ladder and if you fail one level, you're done. Like someone else has mentioned, there are some really good threads and discussions (arguments might be a better description) on the topic if you do a search. My guess is that the answer, like with so many other things, may not be "one or the other", but "both" or even "all of the above."

Personally, I fall strongly on the "for" side, but I don't believe it is a doctrine that is necessary for all to understand and accept at this time, as it changes very little about what is required in the here and now. Even if we have lived many lives before and have many lives lying ahead of us, this "day" is the day for us to repent.

"What I do not to-day, when the sun goes down, I lay down to sleep, which is typical of death; and in the morning I rise and commence my work where I left it yesterday. That course is typical of the probations we take. ...This day's work is typical of this probation, and the sleep of every night is typical of death, and rising in the morning is typical of the resurrection. Brethren, this is the course we have to take; it is a progressive work from one day to another, and from one week to another; and if we advance this year, we are so far advanced in preparation to better go through the next year." ~ Heber C. Kimball, JD:4-329

Just like with our everyday lives, we have work to do. We can put it off, we can wait, but that project will still be waiting for us to get it done tomorrow. Alma teaches us not to "procrastinate *the day* of our repentance." Of course this refers to the actual days of our life, but I believe it also refers to the *days* of our eternal lives. The longer it takes one to repent, the longer they are consigned to the telestial realm. Contrary to what some people believe, there is nothing to be gained by "living it up now since there's another life waiting for us after this one and we can make up for it then." Anymore than me gaining something from not doing the dishes day after day because "I can just wash them tomorrow." Thing is, if you're not going to make good choices in this life, you're probably not going to make better choices in the next one because you haven't changed your nature. And I don't want to be doing dishes for eternity!

This in no way diminishes the incredible power of the Atonement of Jesus Christ nor his role as our Savior and Redeemer, for it is His condescension that prevents us from becoming "angels to a devil," granting us the opportunity to continue our journey.

Again, I don't believe it is necessary at this point for everyone to understand or accept this doctrine. We have work enough to keep us busy during this life, learning faith on the Savior, learning to love and serve, learning to listen and recognize the voice of the Holy Ghost. All of these are skills and knowledge that will give a man "so much the advantage in the world to come." And if I'm wrong and this is it, I can honestly say I did all I could and did my best and "phew! So glad I don't have to do that again!"

Here's a good article on the topic, by the way:

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... tions.html

[Davka]

Not in the way some think. The roles we play when we next come to an earth will be Adam and Eve and Saviour type roles. We won't have another life where we come not knowing anything about the Gospel.

Same problem here^. Adam and Eve died on this Earth. If they had been resurrected beings who had lived their full mortality in another world and then were resurrected, they could not have died again. The scriptures speak plainly to this fact. Once resurrection happens, death has no power over us any longer.

Unless one chooses "for themselves" to allow death to have power over them once again for the benefit of their posterity, and by extension, their own progression.

"Nevertheless, the must choose for themselves..."

The temple is very clear on this fact.

[Mindfields]

Read carefully. Moroni 7:22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing

Moroni 8:22-23
22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—

23 But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in dead works.

How are these two scriptures not a condemnation of baptism for the dead?

[True]

Zero point in coming back to live another life as there will still be a veil. This is the time to live our lives and to prepare to meet God.

This perspective may seem logical at first glance but it falls apart on further inspection.

It's pretty clear from the scriptures that not everyone has equal spiritual knowledge or opportunities to choose between good and evil.

It's one thing to say that a fully accountable murderer, sorcerer, or adulterer, or someone who neglects the poor, would gain nothing from being sent back to do the same thing again - it's in his nature.

If reincarnation exists, the only people who would benefit from it would be those who had little knowledge of good and evil, or were surrounded by bad examples while growing up, or who died as children, or who suffered mental dysfunction, or who lived honest and charitable lives but within a defective religious framework that couldn't bring them back to God.

I know the official church teaching is that these people (the bulk of the human population) will be handled by spirit missionaries and proxy ordinances. I just find that hard to reconcile with many passages in the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham, where the purpose of life on Earth is to experience moral conflict and prove our love for God and our neighbors. So why bother to create and populate an Earth if most of the heavy lifting is going to be done in the Spirit World?

There are certainly more questions than answers when we dive into the particulars and try to understand the reasons and purposes of our pre present and after lives.

Joseph Smith’s brother died before being baptized or having the gospel taught to him. We are informed that he still made it regardless. He was not given a vision of his brother being sent back to try again. There really is no lottery to play here, no coming back in a better situation to gain advantages.

The parable of the workers in the vineyard plays a role here too. Some showed up to work at sunrise and others showed up at all times throughout the working day. At the end of the day, they all received the same compensation. In our earthy realm this makes zero sense as people get compensated for their time put in. However, God doesn’t appear to operate this way.

God knows us and knows the choices we will make and would have made. We don’t need another life after this one, we have all already made the greatest choice to come here and the entire point of this mortal life is to gain a body. It’s not to prove to God or ourselves that we can make correct choices, it’s to gain a body. We have already proved we can make correct choices in our pre-existence.

Some people are given great opportunities at life by having two parents who love each other and provide their needs. Some are born into long legacies and heritages. Some are born being unwanted and unloved or abused or sold into horrible situations. Why does this happen? I cannot say. No one can say.
However, before we came here we had personalities and characters. If someone born into great burdens can overcome and emerge as a good person then would they have been different if given a stable or even privileged life? Or are they simply a good person? Does being poor make a person better? Does being rich make a person worse? Or vise versa?

I come from humble and difficult roots. I emerged a good person. I do not believe I would have been any more good or worse had I been born into a 2 parent member home or with money or whatever else I didn’t have.

I think life can just be difficult and unfortunate and we have no good answers to why some suffer so much and others do not.

I don’t think the spirit world is where it all happens. I think it’s within the plan and bigger picture where it all happens. This life is short and it’s entire purpose is to get back home. People overthink and I believe clarity comes in the calmness of keeping it simple.

Beautifully stated.

[Rick Grimes]

I would say this forum is split about 50/50, at least among those who have voiced an opinion, for the possibility of multiple mortal lives. Among those who believe in some form of MMP, there is very little consensus on the details. Some believe an individual is limited to one life per world, or round, others believe in more of a traditional reincarnation model. Some believe multiple probations means endless chances to get it right, others believe it is more like a ladder and if you fail one level, you're done. Like someone else has mentioned, there are some really good threads and discussions (arguments might be a better description) on the topic if you do a search. My guess is that the answer, like with so many other things, may not be "one or the other", but "both" or even "all of the above."

Personally, I fall strongly on the "for" side, but I don't believe it is a doctrine that is necessary for all to understand and accept at this time, as it changes very little about what is required in the here and now. Even if we have lived many lives before and have many lives lying ahead of us, this "day" is the day for us to repent.

"What I do not to-day, when the sun goes down, I lay down to sleep, which is typical of death; and in the morning I rise and commence my work where I left it yesterday. That course is typical of the probations we take. ...This day's work is typical of this probation, and the sleep of every night is typical of death, and rising in the morning is typical of the resurrection. Brethren, this is the course we have to take; it is a progressive work from one day to another, and from one week to another; and if we advance this year, we are so far advanced in preparation to better go through the next year." ~ Heber C. Kimball, JD:4-329

Just like with our everyday lives, we have work to do. We can put it off, we can wait, but that project will still be waiting for us to get it done tomorrow. Alma teaches us not to "procrastinate *the day* of our repentance." Of course this refers to the actual days of our life, but I believe it also refers to the *days* of our eternal lives. The longer it takes one to repent, the longer they are consigned to the telestial realm. Contrary to what some people believe, there is nothing to be gained by "living it up now since there's another life waiting for us after this one and we can make up for it then." Anymore than me gaining something from not doing the dishes day after day because "I can just wash them tomorrow." Thing is, if you're not going to make good choices in this life, you're probably not going to make better choices in the next one because you haven't changed your nature. And I don't want to be doing dishes for eternity!

This in no way diminishes the incredible power of the Atonement of Jesus Christ nor his role as our Savior and Redeemer, for it is His condescension that prevents us from becoming "angels to a devil," granting us the opportunity to continue our journey.

Again, I don't believe it is necessary at this point for everyone to understand or accept this doctrine. We have work enough to keep us busy during this life, learning faith on the Savior, learning to love and serve, learning to listen and recognize the voice of the Holy Ghost. All of these are skills and knowledge that will give a man "so much the advantage in the world to come." And if I'm wrong and this is it, I can honestly say I did all I could and did my best and "phew! So glad I don't have to do that again!"

Here's a good article on the topic, by the way:

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... tions.html

You can believe in multiple lives, bigfoot, the tooth fairy,etc... I'm sure the Lord wont begrudge anybody about these beliefs. What will get anybody in trouble, is thinking that they can put off their repentance and salvation until "the next life" and they can have another swing. Today is the day of our salvation. Not next year, not our next life, its today. Aside from that, if reincarnation is real, I hope I come back rich next time.

[DesertWonderer2]

MMP? Utterly false doctrine. RUN from whomever is teaching you this.

What are your thoughts on those who claim to remember their previous life then?

Julie Rowe,as an example of this, is deeply mentally disturbed.

[Believing Joseph]

God knows us and knows the choices we will make and would have made. We don’t need another life after this one, we have all already made the greatest choice to come here and the entire point of this mortal life is to gain a body. It’s not to prove to God or ourselves that we can make correct choices, it’s to gain a body. We have already proved we can make correct choices in our pre-existence.

Then what do you make of these scriptures from the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham? I've always accepted them as the best authorities on what the purpose of life is, and that purpose seems to be to prove to God that we can make correct choices.

Alma 12:24
And we see that death comes upon mankind, yea, the death which has been spoken of by Amulek, which is the temporal death; nevertheless there was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead.

Abraham 3:24-25
And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell, and we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them.

[Luke]

Not in the way some think. The roles we play when we next come to an earth will be Adam and Eve and Saviour type roles. We won't have another life where we come not knowing anything about the Gospel.

Same problem here^. Adam and Eve died on this Earth. If they had been resurrected beings who had lived their full mortality in another world and then were resurrected, they could not have died again. The scriptures speak plainly to this fact. Once resurrection happens, death has no power over us any longer.

Adam was Michael and brought his wife down with him, according to Brigham Young. They fell by sinning, thus became mortal again. BY said we would have to be Adams and Eves.

Plus Joseph Smith explained that we would also have to be Holy Ghosts and Saviours, 'going from grace to grace, exaltation to exaltation until you attain to the resurrection of the dead and can sit in everlasting burnings'. (see King Follett Discourse)

[MMbelieve]

God knows us and knows the choices we will make and would have made. We don’t need another life after this one, we have all already made the greatest choice to come here and the entire point of this mortal life is to gain a body. It’s not to prove to God or ourselves that we can make correct choices, it’s to gain a body. We have already proved we can make correct choices in our pre-existence.

Then what do you make of these scriptures from the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham? I've always accepted them as the best authorities on what the purpose of life is, and that purpose seems to be to prove to God that we can make correct choices.

Alma 12:24
And we see that death comes upon mankind, yea, the death which has been spoken of by Amulek, which is the temporal death; nevertheless there was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead.

Abraham 3:24-25
And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell, and we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them.

Sure there is a measure of continuing our first estate choice to follow the Saviors plan. We made the choice to support him while in the spirit realm so we must have to make the choice to support him now that we have a body and things are difficult. I can see that being part of it.

If someone is to prove something they show that it is true. The “Gods” put us here to prove us. Well, after the division in the pre-existence I can see a number of situations arise. A third part left. The rest said they would follow the plan and make it back home. So, we were sent here to be proved by them. Does this simply mean to be tested? I really don’t think so. Sure we’re tested but the Creation and the Plan and the whole design is also being tested or showed or proved. God is being proven by us being here, so is Christ. Does this plan actually work? Well, let’s make an earth and send them there to prove them. That we (the Gods) can make this work and create intelligences that make correct choices when they are presented and to form loving bonds with one another and such and such then we can bring them back home. To show that our creations can do what we ask of them...means that we are definitely going to be helped in this endeavor.

The entire point of this life is to make it back home. To think we are the only sitting ducks in this plan is to miss the entire point of God and His Son. They want us back and are willing to work very hard and have patience and long suffering and such to help make that happen. They also prove themselves. Hence the covenants with God. I am bound when you do what I say etc.

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Not in the way some think. The roles we play when we next come to an earth will be Adam and Eve and Saviour type roles. We won't have another life where we come not knowing anything about the Gospel.

Same problem here^. Adam and Eve died on this Earth. If they had been resurrected beings who had lived their full mortality in another world and then were resurrected, they could not have died again. The scriptures speak plainly to this fact. Once resurrection happens, death has no power over us any longer.

Unless one chooses "for themselves" to allow death to have power over them once again for the benefit of their posterity, and by extension, their own progression.

"Nevertheless, the must choose for themselves..."

The temple is very clear on this fact.

The people who chose to reject the Savior in the pre-existence were essentially punished for their rebellion or at the very least denied the blessings. So if people choose to deny their perfected bodies and caste it off, how are they not doing the same thing?