All is Well in Zion

[Luke]

It seems like the people who cry 'All is Well in Zion' (obviously nonsensical) are everywhere. Even when the Book of Mormon doesn't mince words when talking about saying that all is well in Zion, people are still doing it. Have you guys come across people who do that? What think ye?

[creator]

Agreed, all is not well in Zion, but some seem to think it is (at least when it comes to certain topics).

[Rick Grimes]

There are a number in here and even more in the general membership who believe as much. It certainly isnt "well".

[JohnnyL]

I think there are three types, with varying degrees in each:
All is well: they think it really is pretty good. Life is good, church is good, don't work too hard unless it's fun.
All is wrong: ever since JS/BY/[pick your prophet], the apostles aren't in touch with God, aren't wise stewards, twist things, are hypocritical, don't hold the priesthood keys, etc.
All is what it is: trust the prophets, but be careful with other members (types 1 and 2) and the world; be meek and humble; work hard on your salvation; things will work out.

[Believing Joseph]

I think there are three types, with varying degrees in each:
All is well: they think it really is pretty good. Life is good, church is good, don't work too hard unless it's fun.
All is wrong: ever since JS/BY/[pick your prophet], the apostles aren't in touch with God, aren't wise stewards, twist things, are hypocritical, don't hold the priesthood keys, etc.
All is what it is: trust the prophets, but be careful with other members (types 1 and 2) and the world; be meek and humble; work hard on your salvation; things will work out.

I think that both the first and third types are what Nephi is trying to warn us against.

2 Nephi 19:14-16
Therefore will the Lord cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush in one day.
The ancient, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.

Nephi is talking about the folks who believe that they are God's most special people whom he will never allow to be led astray, and who close their eyes to all the evidence that the men at the top are compromising their standards, becoming more wordly, and failing to warn their followers of the wrath to come.

"things will work out" - whatever the hell that means - is just a dumber way of saying "all is well."

[JohnnyL]

I think there are three types, with varying degrees in each:
All is well: they think it really is pretty good. Life is good, church is good, don't work too hard unless it's fun.
All is wrong: ever since JS/BY/[pick your prophet], the apostles aren't in touch with God, aren't wise stewards, twist things, are hypocritical, don't hold the priesthood keys, etc.
All is what it is: trust the prophets, but be careful with other members (types 1 and 2) and the world; be meek and humble; work hard on your salvation; things will work out.

I think that both the first and third types are what Nephi is trying to warn us against.

2 Nephi 9:14-16
Therefore will the Lord cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush in one day.
The ancient, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are bled of them are destroyed.

Nephi is talking about the folks who believe that they are God's most special people whom he will never allow to be led astray, and who close their eyes to all the evidence that the men at the top are compromising their standards, becoming more wordly, and failing to warn their followers of the wrath to come.

"things will work out" - whatever the hell that means - is just a dumber way of saying "all is well."

Absolutely not. We are warned about the first and second, and told to be the third. Otherwise, you don't understand Nephi. Only a third would ever be able to understand him.

Nope, not just a dumber way to say what you think it says. Things will work out for the righteous--a testimony of that will be helpful necessary for the last days.

[Believing Joseph]

I think there are three types, with varying degrees in each:
All is well: they think it really is pretty good. Life is good, church is good, don't work too hard unless it's fun.
All is wrong: ever since JS/BY/[pick your prophet], the apostles aren't in touch with God, aren't wise stewards, twist things, are hypocritical, don't hold the priesthood keys, etc.
All is what it is: trust the prophets, but be careful with other members (types 1 and 2) and the world; be meek and humble; work hard on your salvation; things will work out.

I think that both the first and third types are what Nephi is trying to warn us against.

2 Nephi 9:14-16
Therefore will the Lord cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush in one day.
The ancient, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are bled of them are destroyed.

Nephi is talking about the folks who believe that they are God's most special people whom he will never allow to be led astray, and who close their eyes to all the evidence that the men at the top are compromising their standards, becoming more wordly, and failing to warn their followers of the wrath to come.

"things will work out" - whatever the hell that means - is just a dumber way of saying "all is well."

Absolutely not. We are warned about the first and second, and told to be the third. Otherwise, you don't understand Nephi. Only a third would ever be able to understand him.

Nope, not just a dumber way to say what you think it says. Things will work out for the righteous--a testimony of that will be helpful necessary for the last days.

When are we warned about the first, or told to be the third?

And why would Nephi warn us about prophets who teach lies and lead their people into destruction, if that wouldn't ever be a problem in the Mormon church (i.e. the only large church that has the Book of Mormon?)

[drtanner]

Until we are ready to reunite with Zion above something is amiss.

[Trucker]

Yea, Zion prospereth

[BeNotDeceived]

Yea, Zion prospereth

Define prosperity.

[Trucker]

Yea, Zion prospereth

Define prosperity.

I'm sorry, but I can't resist....

[BeNotDeceived]

Yea, Zion prospereth

Define prosperity.

I'm sorry, but I can't resist....

Decided to check date of the posted image, and an amazing number appeared:
https://www.google.com/search?q=city+cr ... =659&dpr=2

Chrome is my goto browser for photo stuff. Said amazing number appears on Safari too, but not brave.

Right edge above the fold , but not left of center. gbng

Anyone confirm

[mes5464]

I had a bishop that gave a talk in sacrament meeting that was a full blown "all is well in Zion" talk. In his eyes, everything was going great. Nothing to worry about.

[Michelle]

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[The East Wind]

It seems like the people who cry 'All is Well in Zion' (obviously nonsensical) are everywhere. Even when the Book of Mormon doesn't mince words when talking about saying that all is well in Zion, people are still doing it. Have you guys come across people who do that? What think ye?

Can you give examples of people saying or thinking this? Because this has not been the case on this site.

[Luke]

It seems like the people who cry 'All is Well in Zion' (obviously nonsensical) are everywhere. Even when the Book of Mormon doesn't mince words when talking about saying that all is well in Zion, people are still doing it. Have you guys come across people who do that? What think ye?

Can you give examples of people saying or thinking this? Because this has not been the case on this site.

I have seen a few examples on this site, but not many. But what I was saying is that its everywhere, i.e. in our wards etc.

[ChooseTruth]

I question how widespread the “all is well in Zion” mantra is. I have a friend that works as a hairdresser and has quite a few LDS clients. For whatever reason, people tend to open up to her while they’re sitting in the chair. She has told me that most LDS clients complain a lot about the church. Her take is that as LDS people, we don’t have any good mechanisms within the church to address problems with the church. So, people hold it in and let it out on message boards like this one or other safe places like the hairdresser. Too much fear of judgement and reprisal to do it openly.

So, on an individual level, I think it’s the minority that feels all is well, but from a leadership perspective, that’s what we tend to hear. Quite a bit of confirmation bias.

[JohnnyL]

I think there are three types, with varying degrees in each:
All is well: they think it really is pretty good. Life is good, church is good, don't work too hard unless it's fun.
All is wrong: ever since JS/BY/[pick your prophet], the apostles aren't in touch with God, aren't wise stewards, twist things, are hypocritical, don't hold the priesthood keys, etc.
All is what it is: trust the prophets, but be careful with other members (types 1 and 2) and the world; be meek and humble; work hard on your salvation; things will work out.

I think that both the first and third types are what Nephi is trying to warn us against.

2 Nephi 9:14-16
Therefore will the Lord cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush in one day.
The ancient, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are bled of them are destroyed.

Nephi is talking about the folks who believe that they are God's most special people whom he will never allow to be led astray, and who close their eyes to all the evidence that the men at the top are compromising their standards, becoming more wordly, and failing to warn their followers of the wrath to come.

"things will work out" - whatever the hell that means - is just a dumber way of saying "all is well."

Absolutely not. We are warned about the first and second, and told to be the third. Otherwise, you don't understand Nephi. Only a third would ever be able to understand him.

Nope, not just a dumber way to say what you think it says. Things will work out for the righteous--a testimony of that will be helpful necessary for the last days.

When are we warned about the first, or told to be the third?

And why would Nephi warn us about prophets who teach lies and lead their people into destruction, if that wouldn't ever be a problem in the Mormon church (i.e. the only large church that has the Book of Mormon?)

All over the scriptures and prophetic teachings.
So you're pulling one scripture to your own interpretation, and that clearly means Nephi warns us about the third?
You'll see what you want to see, I can't change that.

[sandman45]

It will NEVER be "ALL IS WELL IN ZION" so long as we are in bondage to BABYLON (UNITED STATES OF AMERICA / Federal Government).

[Robin Hood]

Yea, Zion prospereth

Define prosperity.

I'm sorry, but I can't resist....

Decided to check date of the posted image, and an amazing number appeared:
https://www.google.com/search?q=city+cr ... =659&dpr=2

Chrome is my goto browser for photo stuff. Said amazing number appears on Safari too, but not brave.

Right edge above the fold , but not left of center. gbng

Anyone confirm

I have no idea what you're talking about. Any chance of some clarification?

[BeNotDeceived]

Define prosperity.

I'm sorry, but I can't resist....

Decided to check date of the posted image, and an amazing number appeared:
https://www.google.com/search?q=city+cr ... =659&dpr=2

Chrome is my goto browser for photo stuff. Said amazing number appears on Safari too, but not brave.

Right edge above the fold , but not left of center. gbng

Anyone confirm

I have no idea what you're talking about. Any chance of some clarification?

There is a screen capture. The number has since increased. Probably view count. I viewed a few times that day, so it must count each IP address only once. tinypic died, but imgbb now hotlnks medium size images, automatically.

24,480 resembles April 8th, 2024
when something spectacular is very likely to occur, barring planetary collapse or collision.

[JohnnyL]

I think there are three types, with varying degrees in each:
All is well: they think it really is pretty good. Life is good, church is good, don't work too hard unless it's fun.
All is wrong: ever since JS/BY/[pick your prophet], the apostles aren't in touch with God, aren't wise stewards, twist things, are hypocritical, don't hold the priesthood keys, etc.
All is what it is: trust the prophets, but be careful with other members (types 1 and 2) and the world; be meek and humble; work hard on your salvation; things will work out.

I think that both the first and third types are what Nephi is trying to warn us against.

2 Nephi 9:14-16
Therefore will the Lord cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush in one day.
The ancient, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are bled of them are destroyed.

Nephi is talking about the folks who believe that they are God's most special people whom he will never allow to be led astray, and who close their eyes to all the evidence that the men at the top are compromising their standards, becoming more wordly, and failing to warn their followers of the wrath to come.

"things will work out" - whatever the hell that means - is just a dumber way of saying "all is well."

Absolutely not. We are warned about the first and second, and told to be the third. Otherwise, you don't understand Nephi. Only a third would ever be able to understand him.

Nope, not just a dumber way to say what you think it says. Things will work out for the righteous--a testimony of that will be helpful necessary for the last days.

When are we warned about the first, or told to be the third?

And why would Nephi warn us about prophets who teach lies and lead their people into destruction, if that wouldn't ever be a problem in the Mormon church (i.e. the only large church that has the Book of Mormon?)

Wilford Woodruff, while serving in the Quorum of the Twelve, said: “Brother Joseph used to counsel us in this wise: ‘The moment you permit yourselves to lay aside any duty that God calls you to perform, to gratify your own desires; the moment you permit yourselves to become careless, you lay a foundation for apostasy. Be careful; understand you are called to a work, and when God requires you to do that work do it.’

Is that a good start, "Believing Joseph"?

Keep searching, you'll find plenty more. Here's where that came from: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 7?lang=eng . The chapter title is "Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy".

[Luke]

Define prosperity.

I'm sorry, but I can't resist....

Decided to check date of the posted image, and an amazing number appeared:
https://www.google.com/search?q=city+cr ... =659&dpr=2

Chrome is my goto browser for photo stuff. Said amazing number appears on Safari too, but not brave.

Right edge above the fold , but not left of center. gbng

Anyone confirm

I have no idea what you're talking about. Any chance of some clarification?

I think they're talking about City Creek Mall.

[Mindfields]

Wilford Woodruff, while serving in the Quorum of the Twelve, said: “Brother Joseph used to counsel us in this wise: ‘The moment you permit yourselves to lay aside any duty that God calls you to perform, to gratify your own desires; the moment you permit yourselves to become careless, you lay a foundation for apostasy. Be careful; understand you are called to a work, and when God requires you to do that work do it.’

Too bad he didn't take his own advice.

[BeNotDeceived]

I'm sorry, but I can't resist....

Decided to check date of the posted image, and an amazing number appeared:
https://www.google.com/search?q=city+cr ... =659&dpr=2

Chrome is my goto browser for photo stuff. Said amazing number appears on Safari too, but not brave.

Right edge above the fold , but not left of center. gbng

Anyone confirm

I have no idea what you're talking about. Any chance of some clarification?

I think they're talking about City Creek Mall.

Weird that unique visitor count matched up with date marking end of seven years prosperity. Prolly should check correlation with City Creek Mall. But really, how did Joseph account his prosperity?

Eclipse matchups coincided with the standing prophets last birthday, and many other manifestations, have squoze personal doubt to infinitesimal proportions..

Squeeze , but not squoze. dbnp