Church shooting stopped by 2nd Amendment....

[nightlight]

"Gunman shoots 2 at White Settlement church before churchgoers return fire, killing him, officials say"

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2 ... ettlement/

[nightlight]

Ummmm.....so.......


Church PR/LAWYERS/Nelson......kick rocks. Unless you want to take some of that 100 billion and provide armed gaurds for us too

Funny things is....this could only happen with LDS if Nelson was in the crowd.

[Lizzy60]

Ummmm.....so.......


Church PR/LAWYERS/Nelson......kick rocks. Unless you want to take some of that 100 billion and provide armed gaurds for us too

Funny things is....this could only happen with LDS if Nelson was in the crowd.

The LDS Church can request that no one conceal carry in their buildings, but we members still have agency and brains, and the law in most states still supports conceal carry. The church's request has no teeth.

This is especially true in Texas. Even if the Church made the "no guns zone" signage and displayed it on the doors of their buildings (which they haven't done) the only recourse if someone is known be carrying is to asked them to leave. There is no further legal recourse is the person leaves.

Talk about close to home -- I live 30 miles from this church. My stake center is farther away.

[nightlight]

President Neslon, knowing this might reach you on account of your people keeping taps on this site.... please, change our gun policy, or hire protection with the ungodly sum of money we sit on. If you can build a mall....you can hire guards.
Or give up your own guns and lead by example.

If it is revelation, record & present it before us for sustaining... and I will follow and back you on this

[Joel]

[h_p]

And this right on the heels of a murderous thug attacking Jews a Hanukkah celebration in New York. It's open season on those who love God in this country now.

And I believe it's only a matter of time before this happens (again) in one of our churches. Stay armed, trained, and alert, my friends.

[David13]

There is a lesson for each and every Latter day Saint to learn from watching the video of that shooting.

It is how little time there is to respond, and that the response must be immediate and deadly.

And that was what happened on the video. It's all over the internet. It may well disappear later, but it was all over this afternoon.

A parishioner, almost immediately as the character pulled the gun and shot two people, opened fire with one shot on him, which took him down forthwith, and he didn't get up or shoot again.

Some have said he got off one more shot a third shot as he went down. But that it didn't hit anyone.

This is the lesson. Shoot back. Be prepared to shoot back. Be ready. Watch any suspicious visitor to the church. Be ready. It is your only chance for survival, and the survival of your brothers and sisters and family in the congregation.

Remember what your Prophet does, not what he says. He does go out with armed guards. We know this. Remember that.

The video shows at least 4 or 5 other parishioners coming forward with guns drawn. That is my kind of church. And I would like to think that my church is also that kind of church. One of preparation as set forth in the Book of Mormon. And one that does not allow themselves to be killed by their enemies, as also set forth in the Book of Mormon.
dc

[h_p]

I just watched the video of this shooting. The person who died made a very fatal mistake. If he had better training, he had enough opportunity to have completely stopped the attacker. That being said, the shooter was stopped by what looked like a security guard's skillful application of a 15-yard headshot. He clearly saved lives today--the shooter was moving to kill others. BTW, this church was well-protected: the video shows 6 members of the congregation who were armed.

[nightlight]

"LDS Church planning a new training center in Salt Lake City for its guards, complete with two firing ranges"

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/04/02/ ... nning-new/

I'm glad the GA see the need for their personal guards to receive high level training&tactics.... this is wise.

Too bad for their sheep though.....

"Firearms
Churches are dedicated for the worship of God and as havens from the cares and concerns of the world. With the exception of current law enforcement officers, the carrying of lethal weapons on Church property, concealed or otherwise, is prohibited."

"havens from the cares and concerns of the world."

Really....realllllyyyyyy?? Tell that to Texas....tell that to yourselves.

With your left hand...you ban us from protecting our wives&children at church........with your right hand you open up a training facility for your guards....who guard you when you go to church.

[nightlight]

[sevenator]

Concealed means concealed.

[tdj]

What was the motive behind the shooting?

[nightlight]

What was the motive behind the shooting?

Satan

[Rick Grimes]

The hypocrisy from leadership in this matter is disappointing.

[JK4Woods]

The hypocrisy from leadership in this matter is disappointing.

Well... since the church is self insured (up to a point) it has to say something preemtorilyso as to ward off huge payouts when an occasion does happen in an LDS Ward building.

You can bet the larcenous lawyers will be going after the deep pockets of the church and place blame and Responsability for an incident.

Better for the church to say “no guns” except for (trained) law enforcement. Because otherwise the top leadership would be dragged into some kind of lawsuit when an attorney for an innocent bystander gets shot and killed by a white hat member trying to take down the bad guy.

That’s what would likely happen.

Besides I think none of the current twelve have served in the military...??

[Lizzy60]

The hypocrisy from leadership in this matter is disappointing.

Well... since the church is self insured (up to a point) it has to say something preemtorilyso as to ward off huge payouts when an occasion does happen in an LDS Ward building.

You can bet the larcenous lawyers will be going after the deep pockets of the church and place blame and Responsability for an incident.

Better for the church to say “no guns” except for (trained) law enforcement. Because otherwise the top leadership would be dragged into some kind of lawsuit when an attorney for an innocent bystander gets shot and killed by a white hat member trying to take down the bad guy.

That’s what would likely happen.

Besides I think none of the current twelve have served in the military...??

It seems that there is also a lawsuit possible if members are killed by an intruder, and they were unarmed because the Church made a rule to leave all weapons out of the building.
First -- they create a weapon-free zone, so the evil guy targets that location.
Second -- members who are well-trained in defense are rendered helpless against the armed intruder.

[Rick Grimes]

The hypocrisy from leadership in this matter is disappointing.

Well... since the church is self insured (up to a point) it has to say something preemtorilyso as to ward off huge payouts when an occasion does happen in an LDS Ward building.

You can bet the larcenous lawyers will be going after the deep pockets of the church and place blame and Responsability for an incident.

Better for the church to say “no guns” except for (trained) law enforcement. Because otherwise the top leadership would be dragged into some kind of lawsuit when an attorney for an innocent bystander gets shot and killed by a white hat member trying to take down the bad guy.

That’s what would likely happen.

Besides I think none of the current twelve have served in the military...??

I understand the liability that is involved with allowing members carry. However, they could also just have a hired or "insured" member who is trained and armed to protect the building and members during services. These could be church volunteers who undergo training that would be covered by church insurance as well. Surely with the billions the church is currently sitting on, it could afford to pay for the added insurance since I'm sure the security would be volunteers from the congregation?

[h_p]

The hypocrisy from leadership in this matter is disappointing.

Well... since the church is self insured (up to a point) it has to say something preemtorilyso as to ward off huge payouts when an occasion does happen in an LDS Ward building.

You can bet the larcenous lawyers will be going after the deep pockets of the church and place blame and Responsability for an incident.

Better for the church to say “no guns” except for (trained) law enforcement. Because otherwise the top leadership would be dragged into some kind of lawsuit when an attorney for an innocent bystander gets shot and killed by a white hat member trying to take down the bad guy.

That’s what would likely happen.

Besides I think none of the current twelve have served in the military...??

If this is true, all it tells me is that our leaders care more about their bank account than their members.

[David13]

Now I see what the girl near the shooting is screaming about. She is screaming "daddy, daddy, no!" And running back and forth. It appears that may have been her father that stood up to draw from his back, and took the first blast from the character.

I say character as that character was about as out of place and inappropriate as could be and should have drawn the attention, or raised the hackles on the backs of any possible responder there.

Maybe he did tho'. and that's why they were as prepared as they were.

Still I'm impressed by the single shot to the head that put him down. Permanently as it were.
dc

[PressingForward]

The hypocrisy from leadership in this matter is disappointing.

Well... since the church is self insured (up to a point) it has to say something preemtorilyso as to ward off huge payouts when an occasion does happen in an LDS Ward building.

You can bet the larcenous lawyers will be going after the deep pockets of the church and place blame and Responsability for an incident.

Better for the church to say “no guns” except for (trained) law enforcement. Because otherwise the top leadership would be dragged into some kind of lawsuit when an attorney for an innocent bystander gets shot and killed by a white hat member trying to take down the bad guy.

That’s what would likely happen.

Besides I think none of the current twelve have served in the military...??

You will find many of our General Authorities have served, here is a few I’m sure about, since they have mentioned their service in talks......
President Nelson served in the Army
President Uchtdorf served in the German Air Force
President Eyring served in the Air Force
President Oaks, Army?

[h_p]

Now I see what the girl near the shooting is screaming about. She is screaming "daddy, daddy, no!" And running back and forth. It appears that may have been her father that stood up to draw from his back, and took the first blast from the character.

You can see towards the end of the clip that she goes over to the 2nd guy who was shot, the one sitting on the back bench, so I think that was her dad. They both look black, too, and the first guy was white. What's even worse, it looks like she actually saw her dad get shot--she was turned around after the first shot, so she was looking back when the gunman shot him. Poor girl, so sad.

[David13]

Now I see what the girl near the shooting is screaming about. She is screaming "daddy, daddy, no!" And running back and forth. It appears that may have been her father that stood up to draw from his back, and took the first blast from the character.

You can see towards the end of the clip that she goes over to the 2nd guy who was shot, the one sitting on the back bench, so I think that was her dad. They both look black, too, and the first guy was white. What's even worse, it looks like she actually saw her dad get shot--she was turned around after the first shot, so she was looking back when the gunman shot him. Poor girl, so sad.

When I first saw the video, small, on the internet, I thought they were all black. Then, seeing it in full screen, I saw they were all white. Even that girl screaming looks white, but does act and react and sound black. But looks at least light skinned. The way it was looking to me was, they were all white. As to the gun man, I think he was black. But I don't think it's possible to tell from the distance in the video.
dc

[Joel]

Disobey all authoritarian leaders [secular or religious], anyone that is seeking to take away basic human rights is a tyrant and should be treated as such

Biden Attacked Texas Governor For Signing Law Letting Churchgoers Carry Guns: ‘Totally Irrational’

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden attacked Texas Governor Greg Abbott earlier this year for signing a bill into law that allowed lawful gun owners to carry firearms in places of worship, repeatedly calling Abbott’s decision “irrational.”

Biden’s resurfaced remarks come as an attacker opened fire on a church congregation in Texas on Sunday, where he was immediately stopped by a good guy with a gun.

“Dealing with firearms, it is irrational, with all due respect to the governor of Texas, irrational what they are doing,” Biden told reporters on September 2. “On the very day you see a mass shooting … and we’re talking about loosening access to have guns, to be able to take them into places of worship, it’s just absolutely irrational. It’s totally irrational.” https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status ... 7097831424

Biden continued, saying that any weapon that was capable of carrying “magazines that can hold multiple bullets” should be banned – which is nearly all firearms.

“It’s no violation of the Second Amendment,” Biden falsely claimed. https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status ... 0395922432

Later asked if there could be any compromises with Republicans on the issue, Biden responded, “None. None on this. I think this is no compromise. This is one we have to just push, and push, and push, and push, and push.” https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status ... 4648029184

CNN reported on the bill went into law on September 1, 2019:

Senate Bill 535 clarifies the possession of firearms at churches, synagogues or other places of worship. It allows licensed handgun owners to legally carry their weapons in places of worship – and comes nearly two years after a gunman killed 26 people at Sutherland Springs church.

“We have learned many times over that there is no such thing as a gun free zone. Those with evil intentions will violate the law and carry out their heinous acts no matter what,” Texas state Senator Donna Campbell, co-sponsor of the bill, said in a statement. “It makes no sense to disarm the good guys and leave law-abiding citizens defenseless where violent offenders break the law to do great harm.”

“The existing statute is confusing and clunky when it comes to clearly stating the rights of licensed Texans to carry on the premises of a church,” Campbell added. “This bill provides clarity of the legislature’s intent to treat churches in the same manner as other privately owned establishments in Texas.”

The new laws in Texas:

• Allow licensed gun owners to have their firearms in their cars on school property
• Allow for school districts to have more school marshals
• Allow for some foster homes to be able to have firearms
• Ban homeowners or landlords of rental property from prohibiting residents from having firearms
• Prohibit residents from being charged with a crime for carrying a handgun during a disaster
• Allow people to carry weapons in places of worship

The resurfaced clips from Biden come as an attacker opened fire on a congregation on Sunday at the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas.

Footage of the attack in Texas shows a good guy armed with a gun taking down the attacker with a matter of only a few seconds, preventing further harm from happening to the church congregation.

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[Elizabeth]

Texas passed a law in 2017 that allowed churches to hire armed guards.

https://gab.com/system/media_attachment ... 1577654882

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