Favourite Current Apostles?

[Zathura]

I wonder, have you ever called a politician you have never met by any name or used any adjective to describe them ?

I find it funny that you and Sarah and others who think church leaders are flawless use this argument but it only applies to general authorities, never to anyone else.

Sarah used this same poor argument, and yet she was in another thread criticizing Trump, his ideology, and yet she’s never met Trump. Yet there she was, claiming it was slander and bad to critique the doctrine of a General Authority I’ve never met. Claiming you shouldn’t talk about anybody in anyway unless you can talk to them personally.

Isn’t there a word for that?

Rules for theee but not for meeee

See I find this interesting because on another thread you were saying that anyone who likes Brigham Young must hate/oppose more modern church leaders... do you see the irony? No? Well never mind then.

That isn’t anything CLOSE to what I have ever said in my life , I’ve never said such a thing or even slightly inferred such a thing. I don’t believe that nonsense, never have, never will. You can feel free fabricate anything you want though. Others have lied about me and anyone who paid attention saw the lies for what they were. No skin off my bones.

The only thing I ever said that even BRUSHES that topic is that it’s weird that the people that think modern church leaders can be fallen and preach false doctrine somehow think it’d be impossible and world breaking for Brigham Young to have taught false doctrine and be fallen, my point being that there is no difference between those men and the men of today. Some broken logic convinced them that Brigham can’t have been a false prophet because then the Restoration was false but somehow the Restoration isn’t false if Nelson is a false prophet. Feel free to prove your nonsense or withdraw your false statement anytime.

I think that’s a valid observation to point out to those it may apply to.

Well, apparently the ones it applies to change what’s said to mean “Anyone who likes Brigham Young won’t like modern church leaders” so idk lol.

[Sarah]

Stahura, let me clarify my position. I never once claimed that our church leaders were flawless, because, I indeed see flaws from time to time and see flaws in Brigham. But I feel as covenant members of God's church, we have a duty to build it up and not tear it down by creating distrust in our leaders. I'm actually okay if people want to point out the facts, but when it crosses over into critisizing their character, assuming motives, name calling, or even critisizing teachings and actions rather than simply pointing out facts, those things are inappropriate, because it creates distrust when I do believe we can trust them to lead us. If for example I think my husband is wrong about something, I don't complain about it to my children because I want my children to trust their father. My critisisms of Trump and Julie Rowe are different in that I don't think anyone should trust them based on the evidence that I present.

[Zathura]

Stahura, let me clarify my position. I never once claimed that our church leaders were flawless, because, I indeed see flaws from time to time and see flaws in Brigham. But I feel as covenant members of God's church, we have a duty to build it up and not tear it down by creating distrust in our leaders. I'm actually okay if people want to point out the facts, but when it crosses over into critisizing their character, assuming motives, name calling, or even critisizing teachings and actions rather than simply pointing out facts, those things are inappropriate, because it creates distrust when I do believe we can trust them to lead us. If for example I think my husband is wrong about something, I don't complain about it to my children because I want my children to trust their father. My critisisms of Trump and Julie Rowe are different in that I don't think anyone should trust them based on the evidence that I present.