What percentage of vignettes does Christ alleviate poverty with money? ZERO?

[JohnnyL]

What percentage of vignettes does Christ alleviate poverty with money?

What teachings sustain, and don't sustain, the Church's position on charity?

[Mindfields]

The entire Book of Mormon does not sustain the church's position in regards to charity.

[Thinker]

Christ repeatedly taught about helping the poor & those suffering - in the story of the Good Samaritan, commanding the rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow him and when the rich man refused, Christ explained how difficult it is for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven because they cling to their riches and don’t use them to bless others. Christ himself was busy helping those in need.

Even if Christ didn’t repeatedly teach helping the poor, if he only stated the following scriptures, they carry enough weight to be prioritized above “all the laws and the prophets.”...

• “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Matthew 27:37-40

[Believing Joseph]

What teachings sustain, and don't sustain, the Church's position on charity?

I'm not sure what you mean by "the Church's position on charity."

Anyway, the Book of Mormon is very much in favor of alleviating poverty with money.

Jacob 2:19
And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do good—to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted.

3 Nephi 13:1-4
Verily, verily, I say that I would that ye should do alms unto the poor; but take heed that ye do not your alms before men to be seen of them; otherwise ye have no reward of your Father who is in heaven. Therefore, when ye shall do your alms do not sound a trumpet before you, as will hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward. But when thou doest alms let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth; That thine alms may be in secret; and thy Father who seeth in secret, himself shall reward thee openly.

[JohnnyL]

The entire Book of Mormon does not sustain the church's position in regards to charity.

Doesn't work. Give me vignettes/ examples.

[JohnnyL]

Christ repeatedly taught about helping the poor & those suffering - in the story of the Good Samaritan, commanding the rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow him and when the rich man refused, Christ explained how difficult it is for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven because they cling to their riches and don’t use them to bless others. Christ himself was busy helping those in need.

Even if Christ didn’t repeatedly teach helping the poor, if he only stated the following scriptures, they carry enough weight to be prioritized above “all the laws and the prophets.”...

• “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Matthew 27:37-40

As expected, I guess.

You have one story. I'm sure there are more.

[JohnnyL]

What teachings sustain, and don't sustain, the Church's position on charity?

I'm not sure what you mean by "the Church's position on charity."

Anyway, the Book of Mormon is very much in favor of alleviating poverty with money.

Jacob 2:19
And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do good—to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted.

3 Nephi 13:1-4
Verily, verily, I say that I would that ye should do alms unto the poor; but take heed that ye do not your alms before men to be seen of them; otherwise ye have no reward of your Father who is in heaven. Therefore, when ye shall do your alms do not sound a trumpet before you, as will hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward. But when thou doest alms let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth; That thine alms may be in secret; and thy Father who seeth in secret, himself shall reward thee openly.

I do find it interesting that it says "if ye seek them".

What does "do alms unto the poor" mean? Does it mean going bankrupt helping the poor? Does it mean 50% of your income?

[marc]

What percentage of vignettes does Christ alleviate poverty with money?

What teachings sustain, and don't sustain, the Church's position on charity?

Mosiah 4:16 And also, ye yourselves will succor those that stand in need of your succor; ye will administer of your substance unto him that standeth in need; and ye will not suffer that the beggar putteth up his petition to you in vain, and turn him out to perish.

17 Perhaps thou shalt say: The man has brought upon himself his misery; therefore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just—

18 But I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done he perisheth forever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God.

19 For behold, are we not all beggars? Do we not all depend upon the same Being, even God, for all the substance which we have, for both food and raiment, and for gold, and for silver, and for all the riches which we have of every kind?

26 And now, for the sake of these things which I have spoken unto you—that is, for the sake of retaining a remission of your sins from day to day, that ye may walk guiltless before God—I would that ye should impart of your substance to the poor, every man according to that which he hath, such as feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and administering to their relief, both spiritually and temporally, according to their wants.

Wanna retain a remission of your sins? Impart of your "substance" to the poor according to their "wants."

Wanna eliminate poverty like the people at Bountiful? Have ALL things equal among you.

4 Nephi 1:3 And they had all things common among them; therefore there were not rich and poor, bond and free, but they were all made free, and partakers of the heavenly gift.

Want Zion? Make sure there are no poor.

Moses 7:18 And the Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.

Wanna be blessed in heavenly things? You better be equal in temporal things.

D&C 78:5 That you may be equal in the bonds of heavenly things, yea, and earthly things also, for the obtaining of heavenly things.

6 For if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things;

7 For if you will that I give unto you a place in the celestial world, you must prepare yourselves by doing the things which I have commanded you and required of you.

[BeNotDeceived]

The entire Book of Mormon does not sustain the church's position in regards to charity.

Doesn't work. Give me vignettes/ examples.

Parable of the Good Samaritan, better described as blank.

A days blank was the monetary interval at the time, which is scientifically now recognized as power applied over an interval of time. Nowadays we could produce many more joules, but we’d rather enrich the few than power the many. Mist Lift is one form of open-cycle power production that can supply abundant fresh water, greatly increase food production, and even put to end the devastation wrought by hurricanes.

Kilowatt, but not GigaJoule. dbnp

[sandman45]

What teachings sustain, and don't sustain, the Church's position on charity?

I'm not sure what you mean by "the Church's position on charity."

Anyway, the Book of Mormon is very much in favor of alleviating poverty with money.

Jacob 2:19
And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do good—to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted.

3 Nephi 13:1-4
Verily, verily, I say that I would that ye should do alms unto the poor; but take heed that ye do not your alms before men to be seen of them; otherwise ye have no reward of your Father who is in heaven. Therefore, when ye shall do your alms do not sound a trumpet before you, as will hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward. But when thou doest alms let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth; That thine alms may be in secret; and thy Father who seeth in secret, himself shall reward thee openly.

Don’t forget the church loves to do a press release to brag about which charity they donated to....

[simpleton]

What teachings sustain, and don't sustain, the Church's position on charity?

I'm not sure what you mean by "the Church's position on charity."

Anyway, the Book of Mormon is very much in favor of alleviating poverty with money.

Jacob 2:19
And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do good—to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted.

3 Nephi 13:1-4
Verily, verily, I say that I would that ye should do alms unto the poor; but take heed that ye do not your alms before men to be seen of them; otherwise ye have no reward of your Father who is in heaven. Therefore, when ye shall do your alms do not sound a trumpet before you, as will hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward. But when thou doest alms let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth; That thine alms may be in secret; and thy Father who seeth in secret, himself shall reward thee openly.

Don’t forget the church loves to do a press release to brag about which charity they donated to....

And therein is their reward....

[Thinker]

Christ repeatedly taught about helping the poor & those suffering - in the story of the Good Samaritan, commanding the rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow him and when the rich man refused, Christ explained how difficult it is for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven because they cling to their riches and don’t use them to bless others. Christ himself was busy helping those in need.

Even if Christ didn’t repeatedly teach helping the poor, if he only stated the following scriptures, they carry enough weight to be prioritized above “all the laws and the prophets.”...

• “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Matthew 27:37-40

As expected, I guess.

You have one story. I'm sure there are more.

Wrong. You are ignoring 3. I mentioned 4, and that there are more. The US dollar didn’t exist back then so obviously scripture won’t mention it but they do mention riches being shared with the poor, and helping when and how one is able to help.

Many die every day due to hunger related problems. They are not able to defend themselves and their God-given right to TITHES, but I am.

• “Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.” - Proverbs 31:8

[JohnnyL]

What teachings sustain, and don't sustain, the Church's position on charity?

I'm not sure what you mean by "the Church's position on charity."

Anyway, the Book of Mormon is very much in favor of alleviating poverty with money.

Jacob 2:19
And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them for the intent to do good—to clothe the naked, and to feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive, and administer relief to the sick and the afflicted.

3 Nephi 13:1-4
Verily, verily, I say that I would that ye should do alms unto the poor; but take heed that ye do not your alms before men to be seen of them; otherwise ye have no reward of your Father who is in heaven. Therefore, when ye shall do your alms do not sound a trumpet before you, as will hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward. But when thou doest alms let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth; That thine alms may be in secret; and thy Father who seeth in secret, himself shall reward thee openly.

Don’t forget the church loves to do a press release to brag about which charity they donated to....

And therein is their reward....

I think that's for all the Church members who would otherwise complain even more than now that "the Church is not doing enough".

[JohnnyL]

Christ repeatedly taught about helping the poor & those suffering - in the story of the Good Samaritan, commanding the rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow him and when the rich man refused, Christ explained how difficult it is for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven because they cling to their riches and don’t use them to bless others. Christ himself was busy helping those in need.

Even if Christ didn’t repeatedly teach helping the poor, if he only stated the following scriptures, they carry enough weight to be prioritized above “all the laws and the prophets.”...

• “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Matthew 27:37-40

As expected, I guess.
You have one story. I'm sure there are more.

Wrong. You are ignoring 3. I mentioned 4, and that there are more. The US dollar didn’t exist back then so obviously scripture won’t mention it but they do mention riches being shared with the poor, and helping when and how one is able to help.

Many die every day due to hunger related problems. They are not able to defend themselves and their God-given right to TITHES, but I am.

Jesus told a parable of the Good Samaritan, good. And charity is part of the gospel, no question about it.

But the topic is where do we hear of Jesus actually alleviating poverty with money?

[nightlight]

Christ repeatedly taught about helping the poor & those suffering - in the story of the Good Samaritan, commanding the rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow him and when the rich man refused, Christ explained how difficult it is for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven because they cling to their riches and don’t use them to bless others. Christ himself was busy helping those in need.

Even if Christ didn’t repeatedly teach helping the poor, if he only stated the following scriptures, they carry enough weight to be prioritized above “all the laws and the prophets.”...

• “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Matthew 27:37-40

As expected, I guess.
You have one story. I'm sure there are more.

Wrong. You are ignoring 3. I mentioned 4, and that there are more. The US dollar didn’t exist back then so obviously scripture won’t mention it but they do mention riches being shared with the poor, and helping when and how one is able to help.

Many die every day due to hunger related problems. They are not able to defend themselves and their God-given right to TITHES, but I am.

Jesus told a parable of the Good Samaritan, good. And charity is part of the gospel, no question about it.

But the topic is where do we hear of Jesus actually alleviating poverty with money?

Money=food/water/clothes/roof etc

So..............................................throughout the scriptures.

Say what you mean. What's your point

[nightlight]

Christ repeatedly taught about helping the poor & those suffering - in the story of the Good Samaritan, commanding the rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow him and when the rich man refused, Christ explained how difficult it is for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven because they cling to their riches and don’t use them to bless others. Christ himself was busy helping those in need.

Even if Christ didn’t repeatedly teach helping the poor, if he only stated the following scriptures, they carry enough weight to be prioritized above “all the laws and the prophets.”...

• “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Matthew 27:37-40

As expected, I guess.

You have one story. I'm sure there are more.

Wrong. You are ignoring 3. I mentioned 4, and that there are more. The US dollar didn’t exist back then so obviously scripture won’t mention it but they do mention riches being shared with the poor, and helping when and how one is able to help.

Many die every day due to hunger related problems. They are not able to defend themselves and their God-given right to TITHES, but I am.

• “Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.” - Proverbs 31:8

The pic of the guy giving his sandals to the poor kid made me cry. I hate that there are people who live like this.

I went to my in-laws Christmas eve party last night....they live in the mansion at the point of the mountains(draper), the ones at the very top.
We have so much....and soooo little is returned to the poor.

This won't end well. We can't claim Christ while living in luxury when there is people who have nothing.

I know people in this site think you only use the poor to attack the church. I don't believe this, and I appreciate your voice speaking out for the poor.

Merry Christmas, sister.

[JohnnyL]

Christ repeatedly taught about helping the poor & those suffering - in the story of the Good Samaritan, commanding the rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow him and when the rich man refused, Christ explained how difficult it is for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven because they cling to their riches and don’t use them to bless others. Christ himself was busy helping those in need.

Even if Christ didn’t repeatedly teach helping the poor, if he only stated the following scriptures, they carry enough weight to be prioritized above “all the laws and the prophets.”...

• “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Matthew 27:37-40

As expected, I guess.

You have one story. I'm sure there are more.

Wrong. You are ignoring 3. I mentioned 4, and that there are more. The US dollar didn’t exist back then so obviously scripture won’t mention it but they do mention riches being shared with the poor, and helping when and how one is able to help.

Many die every day due to hunger related problems. They are not able to defend themselves and their God-given right to TITHES, but I am.

• “Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.” - Proverbs 31:8

...

The pic of the guy giving his sandals to the poor kid made me cry. I hate that there are people who live like this.

I went to my in-laws Christmas eve party last night....they live in the mansion at the point of the mountains(draper), the ones at the very top.
We have so much....and soooo little is returned to the poor.

This won't end well. We can't claim Christ while living in luxury when there is people who have nothing.

I know people in this site think you only use the poor to attack the church. I don't believe this, and I appreciate your voice speaking out for the poor.

Merry Christmas, sister.

So, no one can find one instance of Jesus giving money to the poor? Really?

[nightlight]

As expected, I guess.

You have one story. I'm sure there are more.

Wrong. You are ignoring 3. I mentioned 4, and that there are more. The US dollar didn’t exist back then so obviously scripture won’t mention it but they do mention riches being shared with the poor, and helping when and how one is able to help.

Many die every day due to hunger related problems. They are not able to defend themselves and their God-given right to TITHES, but I am.

• “Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.” - Proverbs 31:8

...

The pic of the guy giving his sandals to the poor kid made me cry. I hate that there are people who live like this.

I went to my in-laws Christmas eve party last night....they live in the mansion at the point of the mountains(draper), the ones at the very top.
We have so much....and soooo little is returned to the poor.

This won't end well. We can't claim Christ while living in luxury when there is people who have nothing.

I know people in this site think you only use the poor to attack the church. I don't believe this, and I appreciate your voice speaking out for the poor.

Merry Christmas, sister.

So, no one can find one instance of Jesus giving money to the poor? Really?

Its obvious Jesus didn't touch money in His ministry. To assume He never gave money to anyone in his life before 30 would be idiotic imo.

What Jesus did do......is tell people to give money to the poor.
Sooooo......your point is moot. Lol assuming I'm picking up what you're putting down

Say what you mean

[Thinker]

Christ repeatedly taught about helping the poor & those suffering - in the story of the Good Samaritan, commanding the rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow him and when the rich man refused, Christ explained how difficult it is for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven because they cling to their riches and don’t use them to bless others. Christ himself was busy helping those in need.

Even if Christ didn’t repeatedly teach helping the poor, if he only stated the following scriptures, they carry enough weight to be prioritized above “all the laws and the prophets.”...

• “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Matthew 27:37-40

As expected, I guess.
You have one story. I'm sure there are more.

Wrong. You are ignoring 3. I mentioned 4, and that there are more. The US dollar didn’t exist back then so obviously scripture won’t mention it but they do mention riches being shared with the poor, and helping when and how one is able to help.

Many die every day due to hunger related problems. They are not able to defend themselves and their God-given right to TITHES, but I am.

Jesus told a parable of the Good Samaritan, good. And charity is part of the gospel, no question about it.

But the topic is where do we hear of Jesus actually alleviating poverty with money?

How do you love and care for the needs of your family? With money.
How ridiculously demanding to expect to be commanded in ALL things!
Why are you so hell-bent on robbing the poor of tithes? Does the fact that you charge money for your “healing art” have something to do with it?

The GREATEST COMMANDMENTS which prioritize above “all the laws and the prophets” are to love God (by loving “the least of these”) and love others as ourselves. Love doesn’t always involve money, but as you see in caring for those you love - it often is the means to help. And tithes are meant for the poor. Christ asked the rich to give their riches to the poor and come follow Christ. And he explained how to love with the story of the Good Samaritan - who paid money for the suffering man to be helped.

[Thinker]

Christ repeatedly taught about helping the poor & those suffering - in the story of the Good Samaritan, commanding the rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow him and when the rich man refused, Christ explained how difficult it is for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven because they cling to their riches and don’t use them to bless others. Christ himself was busy helping those in need.

Even if Christ didn’t repeatedly teach helping the poor, if he only stated the following scriptures, they carry enough weight to be prioritized above “all the laws and the prophets.”...

• “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Matthew 27:37-40

As expected, I guess.

You have one story. I'm sure there are more.

Wrong. You are ignoring 3. I mentioned 4, and that there are more. The US dollar didn’t exist back then so obviously scripture won’t mention it but they do mention riches being shared with the poor, and helping when and how one is able to help.

Many die every day due to hunger related problems. They are not able to defend themselves and their God-given right to TITHES, but I am.

• “Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.” - Proverbs 31:8

The pic of the guy giving his sandals to the poor kid made me cry. I hate that there are people who live like this.

I went to my in-laws Christmas eve party last night....they live in the mansion at the point of the mountains(draper), the ones at the very top.
We have so much....and soooo little is returned to the poor.

This won't end well. We can't claim Christ while living in luxury when there is people who have nothing.

I know people in this site think you only use the poor to attack the church. I don't believe this, and I appreciate your voice speaking out for the poor.

Merry Christmas, sister.

Thanks, Brother. I hope you had a good Christmas too.

I was thinking similarly after everyone opened their presents. We tried to keep it more simple, but materialism creeps in. I do love how my kids are learning to enjoy the good feeling of giving - even more than getting. Yet, I still sense that we could and should simplify and help others more.

Part of the problem is distance. Extreme poverty is not close by - not even within the US (& most richer countries). Children starving to death are not in sight... and “out of sight, out of mind.”

My mom helped make humanitarian kits for refugees in the Middle East. She said they filled a big truck load. Well guess what it costs to mail that big truck load? (I sent a package to a poor area internationally that cost $100 to mail - just a package! So now I go myself &/or just send money.) A senior humanitarian missionary told me that mailing humanitarian kits etc was a big waste of money in shipping - how it would be so much more effective to buy more locally. But people want to FEEL good in helping. Wouldn’t it be eye-opening and awesome for members to visit poor areas, learn what’s needed and help effectively - to truly be a “relief society”? Or, friends of ours have a nonprofit and people donate and they come back and give slide shows of how the money is helping build water wells, build schools, help health care etc.

[JohnnyL]

In other words, can't find one, right?

Thank you.

If His mission was to provide money to the poor, I don't think He did a very good job.

A-ha!! Perhaps that wasn't His mission. No, that wasn't His mission.

And thus concludes the ZERO support for the outcry, "The Church [isn't doing what Jesus did/ isn't giving enough money away/ should give more money to the poor/ etc.]."

[BeNotDeceived]

https://youtu.be/DvInoEs0cwE

Genesis 1:28 says we are to subdue the Earth,
but we’d rather enrich the the few via OPEC, than power the many via OTEC.

Again we partake of the evil fruit as we commit a heinous sin of omission.
And the poorest among us are the ones that suffer, while the oil barons of the world spread terror.

Typhoon , not terror dbnp oo.specialCase

[Thinker]

In other words, can't find one, right?
Thank you.
If His mission was to provide money to the poor, I don't think He did a very good job.
A-ha!! Perhaps that wasn't His mission. No, that wasn't His mission.
And thus concludes the ZERO support for the outcry, "The Church [isn't doing what Jesus did/ isn't giving enough money away/ should give more money to the poor/ etc.]."

Several scriptures, showing Christ tell us to help the poor through riches, have been pointed to but you keep ignoring it. THAT is kind of funny, if it wasn’t annoying.

But let’s play your game for a bit. Since there is no scripture of Jesus specifically asking for money - then that means it was stealing for people posing as representatives of Christ to demand MONEY of members - especially the many poor they burdened because these posers demanded the poor pay them MONEY over feeding their children. They - and those who follow them - WILL be held accountable.

The church’s legal name is “corporation of the president” but the name in practice is the “church of MONEY.”

Lds church financial corruption is undeniable.

1) They warped scripture to get more money (tithes are supposed to be based on increase not income).
2) They take from the poor by demanding based on income when the poor have no increase left.
3) They disobey the law of tithing (Deut 14:28-29 - which is not taught in curriculum about tithing) - which states that at least 1/3 of tithes are supposed to be given to the poor.
4) Finances are kept secret except Oaks admitted no tithes go to the poor.
5) They use the temple to make money - charging for worthiness. This type of thing is the only time on record when Jesus expressed anger.



While we are often pressured and shamed into giving “honest tithes,” church leaders keep money dark and secret, though Oaks did admit no tithes go to the poor. Funds intended for the poor go to the corporate empire of mormon leaders and we have no clue or say in how it’s spent. We do know the church had some elaborate malls built, and a list of greedy wordly companies using the name of Jesus Christ in vain. Meanwhile, about 1,000,000,000 of our brothers and sisters are starving. Who do TITHES belong to? God. And how do we love God? By loving the least of these.

Grand ribon-cutting opening for another mall (at least 2 now) built using the name of Jesus Christ...






Even if you designated fast offerings - the church leaders now say it’s their money and they can use it as they want...

[Obrien]

In other words, can't find one, right?

Thank you.

If His mission was to provide money to the poor, I don't think He did a very good job.

A-ha!! Perhaps that wasn't His mission. No, that wasn't His mission.

And thus concludes the ZERO support for the outcry, "The Church [isn't doing what Jesus did/ isn't giving enough money away/ should give more money to the poor/ etc.]."

You really showed us. Your logic and conclusions are unassailable. However...

Jesus repeatedly stated His kingdom is not of this world, so it does not surprise me He did not use worldly means to serve others.

There are numerous teachings by Jesus about serving others, alleviating their suffering, and showing your love by the way you use your substance.

He also railed against the wealthy who seek to build an earthly kingdom, the uncaring wealthy, the avaricious, and the wealthy priestly class.

You're surely on a foundation of rock with your current position JohnnyL.

[nightlight]

In other words, can't find one, right?

Thank you.

If His mission was to provide money to the poor, I don't think He did a very good job.

A-ha!! Perhaps that wasn't His mission. No, that wasn't His mission.

And thus concludes the ZERO support for the outcry, "The Church [isn't doing what Jesus did/ isn't giving enough money away/ should give more money to the poor/ etc.]."

It wasn't is main mission...but it was one of the things he taught. Everyone who learned from him expounded on this teaching.

You claim the chuch mission has nothing to do with ending poverty, yet...like most, you look past scriptures.

Part of being a member of His Order is providing temporal welfare...hence Zion. How do the scriptures describe the societies who reach Apex?
"There were no rich or poor..."

"In your temporal things you shall be equal, D&C 70:14.

The Saints were to be organized to be equal in all things, D&C 78:3–11 (D&C 82:17–20)."

So^^^^^^^^^^ how can you say the church has no responsibility dealing with poverty.... when He says we are not His if there's poverty among His church??????????????

bro....I get you wanna defend the church, but this angle is folly