Pay your tithing, Obey Authority

[Lexew1899]

A new video I made, to share during this holiday season, so we all remember how important it is to pay tithing, no matter the cost!

[nightlight]

and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour. 2And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; 3Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. 4And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. 5And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. 6Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. 7And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ancle bones received strength. 8And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. 9And all the people saw him walking and praising God: 10And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.

11And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering. 12And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? 13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. 16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

17And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. 18But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. 22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

[SempiternalHarbinger]

Not Ezra Taft Benson's best moment. I truly believe in the Law of Tithing, just not the way it is taught and practiced today.

The celestial law requires one-tenth part of all a man's substance which he possesses at the time he comes into the church (See D&C 119:1), and one-tenth part of his annual increase ever after (See D&C 119:4). IF IT REQUIRES ALL MAN CAN EARN TO SUPPORT HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY, HE IS NOT TITHED AT ALL. The celestial law does not take the mother's and children's bread, neither ought else which they really need for their comfort. The poor that have not of this world's good to spare, but serve and honor God according to the best of their abilities in every other way, shall have a celestial crown in the Eternal Kingdom of our Father." (The Millenial Star, 1847. Orson Hyde, editor)

Orson Hyde also said that it is against the Celestial Law to take the food off the plate of the hungry and I completely agree!! Christ NEVER took the food of the plate of the hungry, rather he fed, healed, and clothed them. Melchizedek and King Benjamin would also agree with Orson Hyde. This quote also compliments Genesis 14.

“Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well- warmed, and well-fed.” ― Herman Melville

[Trucker]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

[SempiternalHarbinger]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

It would be nice to have one laymen among the brethren. Just one who actually knows what it is like and truly represents the poor. Problem is none of them have any experience with being poor so they are clueless for the most part. I always shake my head when a rich man who has been spoon fed his whole life talks about the poor.

[Trucker]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

It would be nice to have one laymen among the brethren. Just one who actually knows what it is like and truly represents the poor. Problem is none of them have any experience with being poor so they are clueless for the most part. I always shake my head when a rich man who has been spoon fed his whole life talks about the poor.

I agree with your sentiment. But Elder Uchtdorf was poor. I imagine others were too. Maybe the answer isn't to just have representation. Maybe transparency is the answer. And consent by the members.

[Lexew1899]

Who would have thought that tithing makes you look better too. Guess I missed that in the scriptures somewhere.

[SempiternalHarbinger]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

It would be nice to have one laymen among the brethren. Just one who actually knows what it is like and truly represents the poor. Problem is none of them have any experience with being poor so they are clueless for the most part. I always shake my head when a rich man who has been spoon fed his whole life talks about the poor.

I agree with your sentiment. But Elder Uchtdorf was poor. I imagine others were too. Maybe the answer isn't to just have representation. Maybe transparency is the answer. And consent by the members.

Interesting. After I posted that I thought about Elder Uchtdorf. If true I stand corrected and give my apologies to Elder Uchtdorf. I know quite a few of them have admitted to never going without and being poor. Elder Holland has said it multiple times In GC with tears streaming from his eyes. The tears didn't help.

“A man thinks that by mouthing hard words he understands hard things. ” ― Herman Melville...

[Lexew1899]

This begs the question. Does the law of tithing actually require you to ignore your starving children as to pay said law? Or has the law of tithing been bastardized? If so, they need to correct this false doctrine in General Conference.

[Lexew1899]

Also, if someone is ugly, does that mean they aren't paying their tithing?

[Rose Garden]

My life changed substantially when I began to take this verse in the Book of Mormon more seriously:

Alma 34
34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.

I realized that if I was unhappy in this life, I had no reason to believe that I would be happy in the next life.

I believe this situation is the same. If you are paying tithing to ensure salvation in the next life but aren't taking care of the basics in this life, you have missed the point.

[Lexew1899]

Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also

[Matchmaker]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

And then they need to go to their Bishop and get a voucher for a month's supply of food from the Bishop's Storehouse and another voucher to get clothes, shoes, bedding and furniture from Deseret Industries.

[Lexew1899]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

And then they need to go to their Bishop and get a voucher for a month's supply of food from the Bishop's Storehouse and another voucher to get clothes, shoes, bedding and furniture from Deseret Industries.

Too bad it isn't so easy for members in third world nations, as it is for members who live in the USA to get church aid.



This little primary boy starved to death from malnutrition, which led to some saints setting up the formerly named Liahona Children's Foundation, presently Bountiful Children's Foundation https://bountifulchildren.org/. They try to prevent malnutrition in our primary children for those poor and destitute LDS families. It is estimated that over 600 primary children die every year from malnutrition.

Here is an interesting article talking about these saints faithfulness in paying tithing, despite their children being malnourished...

We met little Chantal in the northern mountains of Iloilo Province during our recent work in the Philippines. As soon as I picked her up to put her on the scale, I noticed that her body was weaker and more emaciated than that of the other children we were screening for the Liahona Childrens Foundation that day. When we finished recording Chantals weight and height, we told her mother that we were concerned about her daughters health. By the look on her mothers face, we could tell that this was something she already knew. Tears welled up in her eyes as we gave her a high-protein supplement for her daughter.

Chantals lives in the Manoling Ward (Roxas Stake), one of the poorest wards in the Church and yet also one of the most faithful. Unemployment is high and was exacerbated by the typhoon that struck the Philippines in January. The malnutrition rate here (74%) was the highest we recorded during our recent work in the Philippines. Nevertheless, according to the stake president, the percentage of tithing worthy members is nearly 70%, much higher than the average ward in the Church. This is a pattern we find often in our work. Before leaving Manoling, we arranged for nutrition supplements to be provided for all the children we screened there, as we do elsewhere in the world.

We are a small foundation and cant hope to meet all of the needs of the children we screen, but there are times when our hearts tell us to do more, so before leaving to continue our screening in other wards, we took up a collection from our volunteer team and gave the money to the bishop to provide more immediate help for Chantel. It seemed like the least we could do.

https://latterdaysaintmag.com/article-1-14590-2/

[Matchmaker]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

And then they need to go to their Bishop and get a voucher for a month's supply of food from the Bishop's Storehouse and another voucher to get clothes, shoes, bedding and furniture from Deseret Industries.

Too bad it isn't so easy for members in third world nations, as it is for members who live in the USA to get church aid.



This little primary boy starved to death from malnutrition, which led to some saints setting up the formerly named Liahona Children's Foundation, presently Bountiful Children's Foundation https://bountifulchildren.org/. They try to prevent malnutrition in our primary children for those poor and destitute LDS families. It is estimated that over 600 primary children die every year from malnutrition.

Here is an interesting article talking about these saints faithfulness in paying tithing, despite their children being malnourished...

We met little Chantal in the northern mountains of Iloilo Province during our recent work in the Philippines. As soon as I picked her up to put her on the scale, I noticed that her body was weaker and more emaciated than that of the other children we were screening for the Liahona Childrens Foundation that day. When we finished recording Chantals weight and height, we told her mother that we were concerned about her daughters health. By the look on her mothers face, we could tell that this was something she already knew. Tears welled up in her eyes as we gave her a high-protein supplement for her daughter.

Chantals lives in the Manoling Ward (Roxas Stake), one of the poorest wards in the Church and yet also one of the most faithful. Unemployment is high and was exacerbated by the typhoon that struck the Philippines in January. The malnutrition rate here (74%) was the highest we recorded during our recent work in the Philippines. Nevertheless, according to the stake president, the percentage of tithing worthy members is nearly 70%, much higher than the average ward in the Church. This is a pattern we find often in our work. Before leaving Manoling, we arranged for nutrition supplements to be provided for all the children we screened there, as we do elsewhere in the world.

We are a small foundation and cant hope to meet all of the needs of the children we screen, but there are times when our hearts tell us to do more, so before leaving to continue our screening in other wards, we took up a collection from our volunteer team and gave the money to the bishop to provide more immediate help for Chantel. It seemed like the least we could do.

https://latterdaysaintmag.com/article-1-14590-2/

After seeing this picture and reading this article, my heart broke at the thought that even one of God's little ones in the Church had to die like this. May God have mercy on our souls if our failure to act or hold others accountable for money given them led to this happening. Who dropped the ball here? As wealthy as our Church is, why was this allowed to happen?

[Lexew1899]

Hopefully it's addressed soon.

[JohnnyL]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

And then they need to go to their Bishop and get a voucher for a month's supply of food from the Bishop's Storehouse and another voucher to get clothes, shoes, bedding and furniture from Deseret Industries.

You got it! This is how it works correctly.

Tithing is a wonderful blessing. I challenge all you anti-tithers (because that's what it boils down to) to pay it in faith, then add to it a generous fast offering. Then, after doing that a year, come back and complain. I'll hear you better. Can you pay the same amount in fast offering as you do tithing?

[Robin Hood]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

It would be nice to have one laymen among the brethren. Just one who actually knows what it is like and truly represents the poor. Problem is none of them have any experience with being poor so they are clueless for the most part. I always shake my head when a rich man who has been spoon fed his whole life talks about the poor.

I agree with your sentiment. But Elder Uchtdorf was poor. I imagine others were too. Maybe the answer isn't to just have representation. Maybe transparency is the answer. And consent by the members.

Elder Uchtdorf was an airline pilot.
Airline pilots are not poor.

[Trucker]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

It would be nice to have one laymen among the brethren. Just one who actually knows what it is like and truly represents the poor. Problem is none of them have any experience with being poor so they are clueless for the most part. I always shake my head when a rich man who has been spoon fed his whole life talks about the poor.

I agree with your sentiment. But Elder Uchtdorf was poor. I imagine others were too. Maybe the answer isn't to just have representation. Maybe transparency is the answer. And consent by the members.

Elder Uchtdorf was an airline pilot.
Airline pilots are not poor.

He was a refugee kid after the war

[Robin Hood]

It would be nice to have one laymen among the brethren. Just one who actually knows what it is like and truly represents the poor. Problem is none of them have any experience with being poor so they are clueless for the most part. I always shake my head when a rich man who has been spoon fed his whole life talks about the poor.

I agree with your sentiment. But Elder Uchtdorf was poor. I imagine others were too. Maybe the answer isn't to just have representation. Maybe transparency is the answer. And consent by the members.

Elder Uchtdorf was an airline pilot.
Airline pilots are not poor.

He was a refugee kid after the war

I know that, but he was very young, and his plight was very similar to thousands upon thousands of others.
Poverty is relative.

[Trucker]

I agree with your sentiment. But Elder Uchtdorf was poor. I imagine others were too. Maybe the answer isn't to just have representation. Maybe transparency is the answer. And consent by the members.

Elder Uchtdorf was an airline pilot.
Airline pilots are not poor.

He was a refugee kid after the war

I know that, but he was very young, and his plight was very similar to thousands upon thousands of others.
Poverty is relative.

Right, and the point is that he experienced poverty.

[Rick Grimes]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

And then they need to go to their Bishop and get a voucher for a month's supply of food from the Bishop's Storehouse and another voucher to get clothes, shoes, bedding and furniture from Deseret Industries.

You got it! This is how it works correctly.

Tithing is a wonderful blessing. I challenge all you anti-tithers (because that's what it boils down to) to pay it in faith, then add to it a generous fast offering. Then, after doing that a year, come back and complain. I'll hear you better. Can you pay the same amount in fast offering as you do tithing?

It isnt "anti tithe" to pay for your needs and kids food before you figure out your actual increase.

Preaching to pay your tithes at the expense of leaving your kids to go hungry is as bad as preaching that people ought not to take their kids for medical attention and just "pray the sickness away". I'm all about faith and miracles, but the Lord expects us to do all we can for ourselves and He will help us the rest of the way. Even the GAs go to the hospital when they are sick. Even so, the Lord does not command us to watch our children die so we can put money in the collection plate. That is a gross bastardization of the law of tithing.

[Silas]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

And then they need to go to their Bishop and get a voucher for a month's supply of food from the Bishop's Storehouse and another voucher to get clothes, shoes, bedding and furniture from Deseret Industries.

You got it! This is how it works correctly.

Tithing is a wonderful blessing. I challenge all you anti-tithers (because that's what it boils down to) to pay it in faith, then add to it a generous fast offering. Then, after doing that a year, come back and complain. I'll hear you better. Can you pay the same amount in fast offering as you do tithing?

Is it anti-tithing to believe in tithing as originally revealed?

You pay a tenth of your annual increase. So you figure how much your net worth has increased from last year and a tenth of that you pay.

That’s tithing according to the Lord in his definition. Which means that a destitute person who has no net worth hasn’t got tithing to pay.

If I’m wrong then please open the scriptures and demonstrate to me how and why.

[John Tavner]

"If a destitute family is faced with a decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing."

So says the fat man

It would be nice to have one laymen among the brethren. Just one who actually knows what it is like and truly represents the poor. Problem is none of them have any experience with being poor so they are clueless for the most part. I always shake my head when a rich man who has been spoon fed his whole life talks about the poor.

I agree with your sentiment. But Elder Uchtdorf was poor. I imagine others were too. Maybe the answer isn't to just have representation. Maybe transparency is the answer. And consent by the members.

Yeah, I can't remember if it was ballard or packard, but one of them was super poor - so much so that the apostles pitched in to buy Him some new shoes and a coat at one point. This is a 2nd hand account from when I used to live in the SLC area- a lot of people knew the apostles.

[PickleRick]

I'm not sure I am remembering which President it was but I want to say President Hunter I think was not well off.