News about Chad Daybell (and Lori Vallow)

[tdj]

The Grandma and her husband were on Dr. Oz yesterday. I thought Chad went to Hawaii? I saw a couple living off the grid in Hawaii. It would be easy there.

He was only in Hawaii for a couple of weeks in November, then returned to Idaho, disappeared Nov 27. I don’t think they would hide in Hawaii since they would need to board a plane.

Not that hard to get a fake i.d. Then boarding a plane unnotices would be easy. Also is the traveling by ship route, which in this day and age of air travel, has been all but forgotten.

[EmmaLee]

I was on websleuths #2 on Chad Daybell today. It appears that a poster named afitzy on page 68 said that Alex Cox the description of his death was foaming at the mouth, and a release of body fluids, and death occurring over a 10 minute period. I am not sure where this person has gotten their information, but it would be interesting to see if the information is out there.

Did it say, or have you heard, if they're doing an autopsy on him?

[EmmaLee]

Chad Daybell is Lori Vallows 4th husband. I know at least two of those husbands are deceased (one had a 'heart attack', and Charles was shot to death in Lori's house). Does anyone know if the other former husband is dead or alive?

[Lizzy60]

I was on websleuths #2 on Chad Daybell today. It appears that a poster named afitzy on page 68 said that Alex Cox the description of his death was foaming at the mouth, and a release of body fluids, and death occurring over a 10 minute period. I am not sure where this person has gotten their information, but it would be interesting to see if the information is out there.

Did it say, or have you heard, if they're doing an autopsy on him?

I have read that they are doing an autopsy but that it will take 2-3 months.

[EmmaLee]

I was on websleuths #2 on Chad Daybell today. It appears that a poster named afitzy on page 68 said that Alex Cox the description of his death was foaming at the mouth, and a release of body fluids, and death occurring over a 10 minute period. I am not sure where this person has gotten their information, but it would be interesting to see if the information is out there.

Did it say, or have you heard, if they're doing an autopsy on him?

I have read that they are doing an autopsy but that it will take 2-3 months.

Thanks, Lizzy. I wonder why it takes so long - a backlog? Tests (like toxicology) take weeks and weeks to get back? I wonder.

[EmmaLee]

Charles Vallow’s sister Kay Woodcock told local station KPVI that her brother had been increasingly concerned about his wife’s religious views. She also believes Vallow Daybell had been having an affair with Daybell at the time.

“So it had been an ongoing affair and there had been things that my brother ran across that he knew that there was something going on and he shared that with me and I mean there was no doubt, but he seemed to be in just complete denial because he was in love with her and he wanted to make their marriage work,” she said.

Woodcock also said the marriage between her brother and Vallow Daybell had been Vallow Daybell’s fourth. Her daughter Tylee Ryan’s father died of a heart attack in 2018, according to The Rexburg Standard Journal.

“She’s a black widow,” Kay Woodcock told KSTU. “(Husband) three and (husband) four are dead. Five? He’s next. How he’s gonna go? I don’t know. But I wouldn’t sleep with my eyes closed.”

Her new husband, Chad Daybell, also has a recently dead spouse. Although Tammy Daybell's Oct. 19 death was initially believed to be of natural causes, investigators now believe it's suspicious and have exhumed her body from the Springville Evergreen Cemetery to perform an autopsy, Fremont County Sheriff Len Humphries told the local paper.

Vallow Daybell and Daybell were married just 2 weeks after Tammy's death.

https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/lori- ... rnated-god

So Chad Daybell is actually Lori's 5th husband. Sounds like the first 2 may have escaped with their lives.

[Phantom]

Well, every theory I've read about here and on other venues have a lot of holes in them. I'm guessing that LE is in the same place until they can uncovered more hard evidence via the autopsies and in visits to the various homes and venues.

Regardless, taking the known histories of all the personalities involved -- Daybell, AVOW, Rowe, etc -- this whole thing has been very instructive if you read the history of them all in the long view.

Who knows if they will ever find those kids or how this will all turn out. But I think some very valuable takeaways can be made for the observant believer in Christ who is striving in the right ways.

[farmerchick]

Well, every theory I've read about here and on other venues have a lot of holes in them. I'm guessing that LE is in the same place until they can uncovered more hard evidence via the autopsies and in visits to the various homes and venues.

Regardless, taking the known histories of all the personalities involved -- Daybell, AVOW, Rowe, etc -- this whole thing has been very instructive if you read the history of them all in the long view.

Who knows if they will ever find those kids or how this will all turn out. But I think some very valuable takeaways can be made for the observant believer in Christ who is striving in the right ways.

I completely agree. I wonder how many other ldsffers agree with this...….there has been some push back when the true sordid details have been revealed......lotsa pushback......just makes ya wonder a little about some of us here...…..I have to hope reasonable rational people still exist.....if not on the internet then at least somewhere.....lol.....

[ILiveIDieILiveAgain]

Some similarities in this debacle, and with Rick Koerber. Rick Koerber was the guy back in the 2000's that pretended to be a big investor and advocate for American liberties. Both Chad and Rick wrote books about their philosophies. Had impressive seminars all the time. Rick had a show on the local Utah radio. They both thought they were the mostest of the mostest, everybody else was wrong and stupid who didn't buy into their ethos, more everything than all the rest, totally high on themselves.

A striking similarity being how he got his new current wife. She started out as one of his "fanboys", so to speak, at his investor pump-you-up seminars. She fawned over him and pinned away until he finally divorced his wife and married the new tart. Because she was funner to be with at the seminars, no doubt.

A lot like what appears Lori is doing with Chad. At least Rick didn't kill his ex-wife. Nor did he vanish his kids away. One does have to wonder how close to teetering over that edge Rick might have been. One also wonders what catalyst or trigger it takes to go from a Rick Koerber to a Chad Daybell.

[creator]

Some similarities in this debacle, and with Rick Koerber... A striking similarity being how he got his new current wife. She started out as one of his "fanboys", so to speak, at his investor pump-you-up seminars. She fawned over him and pinned away until he finally divorced his wife and married the new tart.

According to Rick Koerber's ex-wife, Michelle Edwards, they "explored a possible polygamist-type relationship" with Jewel (Rick's now current wife), "who eventually came to live at their home as a 'nanny' for their children". (source)

[jmack]

I was on websleuths #2 on Chad Daybell today. It appears that a poster named afitzy on page 68 said that Alex Cox the description of his death was foaming at the mouth, and a release of body fluids, and death occurring over a 10 minute period. I am not sure where this person has gotten their information, but it would be interesting to see if the information is out there.

I believe that information came from a blog by grey hughes, he did a video that was all information on this and was posted on websleuths early on. But it's long and his delivery is annoying, so I havent watched it, but theres a lot of inside stuff he shares from the family talking to him. I've seen references to his YouTube video in a lot of non published info on there.

[jmack]

The Grandma and her husband were on Dr. Oz yesterday. I thought Chad went to Hawaii? I saw a couple living off the grid in Hawaii. It would be easy there.

He was only in Hawaii for a couple of weeks in November, then returned to Idaho, disappeared Nov 27. I don’t think they would hide in Hawaii since they would need to board a plane.

Not that hard to get a fake i.d. Then boarding a plane unnotices would be easy. Also is the traveling by ship route, which in this day and age of air travel, has been all but forgotten.

I have to disagree, since 911, it's hard to travel on fake papers unless you are a criminal or undercover govt.employee, I seriously doubt chad or Lori would be able to scam homeland security tsa protocols. Sure there are ways to travel on water, but doubtful chad and lori have access to what they'd need. I think they are here still, but beginning to think they could commit suicide if the children are dead.

[jmack]

Well, every theory I've read about here and on other venues have a lot of holes in them. I'm guessing that LE is in the same place until they can uncovered more hard evidence via the autopsies and in visits to the various homes and venues.

Regardless, taking the known histories of all the personalities involved -- Daybell, AVOW, Rowe, etc -- this whole thing has been very instructive if you read the history of them all in the long view.

Who knows if they will ever find those kids or how this will all turn out. But I think some very valuable takeaways can be made for the observant believer in Christ who is striving in the right ways.

It would sure help if their family and others wouldn't shield them by not telling what they know. Bring dark works to light, and be completely honest, not hide what they know.

[EmmaLee]

Some similarities in this debacle, and with Rick Koerber... A striking similarity being how he got his new current wife. She started out as one of his "fanboys", so to speak, at his investor pump-you-up seminars. She fawned over him and pinned away until he finally divorced his wife and married the new tart.

According to Rick Koerber's ex-wife, Michelle Edwards, they "explored a possible polygamist-type relationship" with Jewel (Rick's now current wife), "who eventually came to live at their home as a 'nanny' for their children". (source)

No surprise. Polygamy, wife-swapping, adultery in general, seems to be a hallmark of all these 'last days' groups/cults.

[PressingForward]

The Grandma and her husband were on Dr. Oz yesterday. I thought Chad went to Hawaii? I saw a couple living off the grid in Hawaii. It would be easy there.

He was only in Hawaii for a couple of weeks in November, then returned to Idaho, disappeared Nov 27. I don’t think they would hide in Hawaii since they would need to board a plane.

Not that hard to get a fake i.d. Then boarding a plane unnotices would be easy. Also is the traveling by ship route, which in this day and age of air travel, has been all but forgotten.

I have to disagree, since 911, it's hard to travel on fake papers unless you are a criminal or undercover govt.employee, I seriously doubt chad or Lori would be able to scam homeland security tsa protocols. Sure there are ways to travel on water, but doubtful chad and lori have access to what they'd need. I think they are here still, but beginning to think they could commit suicide if the children are dead.

Facial recognition surveillance at airports would pick them up traveling as well once they start looking from the date they bailed.
I hope they find the kids alive and well.

[gkearney]

He was only in Hawaii for a couple of weeks in November, then returned to Idaho, disappeared Nov 27. I don’t think they would hide in Hawaii since they would need to board a plane.

Not that hard to get a fake i.d. Then boarding a plane unnotices would be easy. Also is the traveling by ship route, which in this day and age of air travel, has been all but forgotten.

I have to disagree, since 911, it's hard to travel on fake papers unless you are a criminal or undercover govt.employee, I seriously doubt chad or Lori would be able to scam homeland security tsa protocols. Sure there are ways to travel on water, but doubtful chad and lori have access to what they'd need. I think they are here still, but beginning to think they could commit suicide if the children are dead.

Facial recognition surveillance at airports would pick them up traveling as well once they start looking from the date they bailed.
I hope they find the kids alive and well.

Right, furthermore Hawaii is a really dumb place to hide from the authorities. There the problem of getting there, even steam ship companies will want to see your ID these days to say nothing of airline. Now you could sail yourself there but that’s an expensive undertaking that requires skills in open ocean sailing, boat handling, and navigation. Skills and funds I don’t believe they have.

Once your in Hawaii you’re now on an island. No way to move about without being detected and limited places to hide. Sooner or later someone is going to see you.

So while Hawaii would be a pleasant place to hide out it wouldn’t be very practical to do so there.

[Rand]

Not that hard to get a fake i.d. Then boarding a plane unnotices would be easy. Also is the traveling by ship route, which in this day and age of air travel, has been all but forgotten.

I have to disagree, since 911, it's hard to travel on fake papers unless you are a criminal or undercover govt.employee, I seriously doubt chad or Lori would be able to scam homeland security tsa protocols. Sure there are ways to travel on water, but doubtful chad and lori have access to what they'd need. I think they are here still, but beginning to think they could commit suicide if the children are dead.

Facial recognition surveillance at airports would pick them up traveling as well once they start looking from the date they bailed.
I hope they find the kids alive and well.

Right, furthermore Hawaii is a really dumb place to hide from the authorities. There the problem of getting there, even steam ship companies will want to see your ID these days to say nothing of airline. Now you could sail yourself there but that’s an expensive undertaking that requires skills in open ocean sailing, boat handling, and navigation. Skills and funds I don’t believe they have.

Once your in Hawaii you’re now on an island. No way to move about without being detected and limited places to hide. Sooner or later someone is going to see you.

So while Hawaii would be a pleasant place to hide out it wouldn’t be very practical to do so there.

Good points. Go to DC. No one ever gets caught or prosecuted there...

[The Airbender]

Meh. The fact that they exhumed her body and haven't put out a warrant for Chad or Lori tells me there is no foulplay going on, just politicking and a fight over money and custody.

[gkearney]

Meh. The fact that they exhumed her body and haven't put out a warrant for Chad or Lori tells me there is no foulplay going on, just politicking and a fight over money and custody.

Toxicology takes a long time to do. We must assume that the body showed no outward signs of trauma otherwise those handling the body would have noticed so now they would be looking for non-traumatic causes of death such as poisoning. Such investigations can take months to complete. The real world isn’t like CSI or NCIS.

[Summerwind]

Meh. The fact that they exhumed her body and haven't put out a warrant for Chad or Lori tells me there is no foulplay going on, just politicking and a fight over money and custody.

Autopsies are in different portions. The portion that takes the longest is called toxicology. This looks for any poisons or medications in amounts or mixtures that could have caused death. This part takes around 3 months to complete, in the least 6 weeks. There hasn't been enough time for them to complete toxicology on Tammy's body yet. If they had those results, they'd say so. That's what they are waiting to see.

[The Airbender]

Meh. The fact that they exhumed her body and haven't put out a warrant for Chad or Lori tells me there is no foulplay going on, just politicking and a fight over money and custody.

Toxicology takes a long time to do. We must assume that the body showed no outward signs of trauma otherwise those handling the body would have noticed so now they would be looking for non-traumatic causes of death such as poisoning. Such investigations can take months to complete. The real world isn’t like CSI or NCIS.

Or Psych?

[EmmaLee]

Meh. The fact that they exhumed her body and haven't put out a warrant for Chad or Lori tells me there is no foulplay going on, just politicking and a fight over money and custody.

A close friend of our family died unexpectedly on January 6th. She was healthy and 33 years old. No foul-play is suspected, but since they have no idea why she died, they did an autopsy. The full results will not be back until April sometime. Given Tammy's autopsy was done last month, it stands to reason her full results will not be known until March or thereabouts, especially when there was no obvious trauma to the body. Hopefully, they're doing an autopsy on Alex (Lori's brother, who killed her husband, Charles - and who died suddenly with no apparent cause last month), as well.

[inho]

Hopefully, they're doing an autopsy on Alex (Lori's brother, who killed her husband, Charles - and who died suddenly with no apparent cause last month), as well.

They are. According to some articles it takes 3 months to get results for Alex' autopsy, which is in line with what you just wrote.

However, if I recall right some media sources have given shorter estimate for Tammy's autopsy. I think I read somewhere it would take 4-6 weeks. Anyway, the results are not yet in. I'm sure the media will let us know, when they are.

[EmmaLee]

Hopefully, they're doing an autopsy on Alex (Lori's brother, who killed her husband, Charles - and who died suddenly with no apparent cause last month), as well.

They are. According to some articles it takes 3 months to get results for Alex' autopsy, which is in line with what you just wrote.

However, if I recall right some media sources have given shorter estimate for Tammy's autopsy. I think I read somewhere it would take 4-6 weeks. Anyway, the results are not yet in. I'm sure the media will let us know, when they are.

Good, I'm glad to hear it.

[jmack]

Has anyone listened to these two video podcasts by Julie Rowe about Chad and Lori Daybell? #6 and #7. She starts out defending Chad, but the second podcast, she's obviously had some doubts develop, as she's not defending him so much.''